Guest guest Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 Sorry,...you are correct! That is why my doc said to try this first, and then we could try HCG alone. Going in steps through the chain. Clomid is for the first step in the chain. If my bloodwork comes back with little to no improvement I have to decide whether to try the HCG next, or simply jump in the pool per se. I really don't think the Clomid is doing anything IMHO,......fortunately I am having no sides though either. > > No not the same Clomid makes the brain tell the Pituitary to send more LH and FSH to the testis. HCG acts like LH and FSH so using HCG your brain will see the HCG like it's LH and FSH and slow down sending LH and FSH. > Co-Moderator > Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 Marc, were you taking T3 at the time these labs were done? Or any meds? I thought your doc had started you on T3. Anyway, your labs are at the base of what no calls optimal. For example, he says 8-12 on Total T4 and you're at 8.1, so you'd have room to go a little higher. He says 1.2 minimum on FT4 all the way to the top of 1.8, so same thing there. Total T3 is a little low, he likes 130+. So at this point I'd ask how you look and feel. Temp, BP, heart rate, over or underweight, face gaunt or fat, any dark pigmentation like on your gums or under your arms, crotch area? Hypoglycemic at all or can you go hours without food? Are your heels rough or smooth, full head of hair and eyebrows? Half-moons at the base of all your fingernails? Your glucose numbers are NOT diabetic. Some people test in the upper 100s. I don't think you need to worry about that. But I would add some protein to your breakfast like an egg. Barb > > >my doc said that my thyroid panel was as close to perfect as one could get. I would have to find it to list exact numbers, but it was good. > > > > I'm hoping this statement wasn't based on a " great " TSH! > > > > > I have been tested all kinds of ways for pre-diabetes and the like. I come out fine even though about 1 in 3 times my AM fasting level will be slightly high. > > > > Slightly high fasting glucose is also a sign of low thyroid. Not true diabetes, just slow processing. If you could wait till noon without eating and retest, numbers might come down. > > > > > My cortisol levels tend to run high, but they follow the curve per se and all of the docs claim it is due to the stress of the past year and a half or more of feeling like death on two legs. > > > > Cortisol can go high to compensate for low thyroid. > > > > > I had all the HH tests, and they were negative,......plus my ferritin dropped from the 500's to the 300's to the 144 level by 2/9/11. I dno't know if you recall that or not. I am due to be tested again in May. > > > > No, I did not know your ferritin normalized. That is GOOD news! > > > > > My lipids are great, and I even had a CT scan done of my liver. No sign of any issues, and my liver function BW is fine as well. > > > Short of continuing low range B-12, and Vitamin-D in the deficient range, the only thing that shows up on me are the weird hormone levels at this point. > > > > > I really wish I could figure out what the problem truly was, and where it originates from. > > > > If you do find out, please post to let us know. > > > > > Glad you are well, and good luck with your new site! > > > > Thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 That is what I would try first and after labs if not feeling better up the % of Testosteone in the compounded gel. Co-Moderator Phil > From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...> > Subject: Re: Injectable T question > > Date: Sunday, March 27, 2011, 1:27 PM > Thanks Phil,....much better for my > purpose! > > Looks like 250IU every third day if I go the compounded gel > route first. > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 Initially the doc I am seeing prescribed a very low dose of T3 only,.....I think it was 5mcgs in the AM. I only took it for a few days and quit. Even that small of a dose seemed to ramp my HR after the second day. Since then which was months ago, I have only been on my old meds per se. Cozaar for hypertension, and Nexium for GERD. I was NOT taking the Clomid when the thyroid panel was done BTW. I really have never been concerned about my glucose levels even though some of the docs think I am becoming pre-diabetic. The absolute highest AM fasting reading I ever had was 119, and that is no big thing. I think doing the PreDx test shut them up to be honest. On that front,......yes, I seem to be able to go for a LONG time without eating if I want to without feeling weird. Many times I have gone from 7AM to 8 or 9PM without eating. Now to be fair, I drink a bit of Gatorade type things in between but not a lot. I also try to not do this any longer as I am getting older. Personally I think the mornings that I get those readings are driven by cortisol and have to do with how much stress I have been under. That is only MY opinion. Nothing weird with my nails at this point, nor my hair and eyebrows. Granted my hair is thinning some, but I am almost 50 years old and most males in my line were half bald at this age. Probably due to my low T and low DHT. My heels are certainly NOT smooth, but I always figured it is due to how long I am on my feet per day. Also I am not a female model that uses all kinds of products on my skin. LOL I still have issues with my BP and HR though. It can be fine one minute, and then change dramatically in a short period of time. Nothing in a huge 'danger' zone though. My face is neither gaunt nor fat, at least to me, but I have problems gaining any weight at all. My weight seems to have stabilized at about 170 pounds, but I used to weigh about 190 and was comfortable with that. I am 5' 11 " at this point. My doc says it is muscle loss and probably bone loss starting as well due to my low T. My legs are where I notice it the most,......I have lost 20% or more of muscle from what I see. They seem like sticks to me. My entire body seems like it is aching, and when I try to exercise I pay for it for days in terms of pain. Once again the explanation is low T from the docs. My bones hurt and pop/crack much more than before. Last note is no skin issues that have not been a result of sun damage from living almost 50 years in the sun. Certainly none like you asked about. Also my basal ORAL temp seems to be running lower during the day recently. I used to be 98.6 or above,.....now at times I will get 97.8 to 98.3 on occasion but I feel like I am on fire. This leads me to the last 'interesting' issue that happens to me almost every night. Somewhere between 5:30 and 7:00PM I will turn red in the face, neck, and ears,.......sometimes even my upper chest and upper arms. I feel like I am roasting alive, but my feet and hands might feel cold at the same time. This can last for hours at times, and then it is like it all drains out of me and I return to normal. During this time my HR goes up into the 90 to 110 range just setting and trying to cool off. Doc says it is my low T reaching the lowest point of the day, and that he had the same symptoms. I sure hope he is right, because all of this stuff combined is sucking the life out of me quick. Thanks much for the time that ALL of you folks devote to trying to help other people. Sorry for yet another novel! ) > > Marc, were you taking T3 at the time these labs were done? Or any meds? I thought your doc had started you on T3. Anyway, your labs are at the base of what no calls optimal. For example, he says 8-12 on Total T4 and you're at 8.1, so you'd have room to go a little higher. He says 1.2 minimum on FT4 all the way to the top of 1.8, so same thing there. Total T3 is a little low, he likes 130+. So at this point I'd ask how you look and feel. Temp, BP, heart rate, over or underweight, face gaunt or fat, any dark pigmentation like on your gums or under your arms, crotch area? Hypoglycemic at all or can you go hours without food? Are your heels rough or smooth, full head of hair and eyebrows? Half-moons at the base of all your fingernails? > > Your glucose numbers are NOT diabetic. Some people test in the upper 100s. I don't think you need to worry about that. But I would add some protein to your breakfast like an egg. > > Barb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 Phil,....I was hoping the hot, red stuff was E2 as well! Evidently it wasn't, or at least not that alone. Mine went from 52 to 24 and I still get the same thing. Maybe I need it even lower, or maybe it is my low T like the doc says,....I don't know at this point. I never lost my nocturnal wood totally even when my E2 was high. It became sporadic more or less, and at times I would go a few days without noticing it. Since the E2 dropped, it is back virtually every night, and the past couple of days since taking the Clomid, it is quite a lot stronger. Last couple of days I almost couldn't go back to sleep as it didn't want to go away! My thyroid appears ALMOST perfect, so I don't see how my thyroid could be causing any of my symptoms. Whatever it is only happens during that same time frame every evening,......very strange needless to say! > > Marc, > > I get very hot and red on my upper body and face when my Estradiol levels are going to high. And this starts later in the day T goes down Estraidol goes up around this time. Question do you have involuntary nocturnal erections that appear during REM (Rapid Eye Movement) sleep. If you don't I am betting your Estradiol E2 is on the high side doing this to you. Also low Thyroid can do this best way to test your basel temp is this way read this link. > http://drbate.com/Ref/thyroid.html > > As for your heals try the Ped Egg this cuts down the calluses down very fast so go slow with this if you use it. > http://www.amazon.com/Pedicure-Foot-File-Colors-vary/dp/B00113FENI > Co-Moderator > Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 Your SHBG is high compared to mine!!!!!! Mine is 12, and once again nobody can figure out why. Maybe I will take another couple doses of arimidex. > > Well it's about Estraidol if your SHBG is low like mine 20 to 22 you need to keep your Estradiol even lower then 20 pg/ml this is why I tell men to stay on what they are taking to lower E2 levels until the lose wood from going to low. Once you lose your night time wood stop what your taking until your wood comes back that morning go back on what your taking but cut the dose or the days. This is how you know your at your best levels. > Co-Moderator > Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 Dr's are not looking hard enough... Thyroid, insulin resistance or hyperpermability, excessive of protein over eating, ect. > > > > Well it's about Estraidol if your SHBG is low like mine 20 to 22 you need to keep your Estradiol even lower then 20 pg/ml this is why I tell men to stay on what they are taking to lower E2 levels until the lose wood from going to low. Once you lose your night time wood stop what your taking until your wood comes back that morning go back on what your taking but cut the dose or the days. This is how you know your at your best levels. > > Co-Moderator > > Phil > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 My thyroid is fine, or at least a full panel shows it to be fine. I don't know how else I could test my thyroid further? I am not insulin resistant, as best I know those folks have high insulin levels, and mine are totally normal or even low. Protein levels always come out fine on BW, and I sure do not overeat. I eat roughly 2300 to 2600 calories a day, and can't gain a pound. I will admit that I do not eat much in terms of simple carbs like sweets and the like. Hyperpermability,......I don't know exactly what you are referring to here. If it is related to the gut, all I can say is I had a colonoscopy and endoscopy both in early February, and everything was perfect. Even the biopsy they did for Celiac was negative with no signs of active disease. I don't know if you remember that I tested positive for the gene from EnteroLab awhile back. Regardless of the biopsy, I am following a gluten free diet still. Any other ideas? > > Dr's are not looking hard enough... > Thyroid, insulin resistance or hyperpermability, excessive of protein over eating, ect. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 Phil,.....see above for the discussion with Barb. I do NOT have any blood sugar problems at all. Don't know what is causing it, but it isn't glucose levels. > > Being this low for SHBG can be high suger problems. > Co-Moderator > Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 Very informative read. Out of that all I can see as a possibility is my higher than normal cortisol levels. They follow curve, but are slightly high. I am not trying to argue or dispute anything with the folks here that know far more than I do,....I am simply relating the results of the MANY tests I have had done. I do NOT appear to have any thyroid issue short of some tweaking to become a model per se. Also as before,....I do not have glucose issues nor insulin resistance. I will repeat again that my insulin levels test lower normal, not high. When a person is resistive to insulin they tend to have higher levels as I am sure you all know. Anyway, I think some of my problems involve cortisol, as in too much. There is little that can be done about that as far as I know. If I am wrong,.....inform me. > > I got this from Dr. no here are some cut and pastes. > From. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 Thanks Phil,.....I have already tried a cream that contains Phosphatidylserine that is meant to be absorbed. I guess it didn't do anything for me, or I should say I didn't feel anything different. I wonder if an oral supplement might have more of an impact? Probably should have my cortisol checked again, but the weird thing is when a certain time of night comes,......I have no issue sleeping whatsoever. I probably have some type of issue that has never been observed before with my luck. LOL I thank all for the ideas to pursue. > > High Cortisol levels if not real high is not so bad during the day. But at night they will keep you from sleeping and this is very bad you can take this to keep levels down at night. > In early stages of adrenal fatigue cortisol levels tend to rise and if they are high at midnight they can energise you and keep you awake. Phosphorylated serine can be used to lower cortisol at these times due to its ACTH dampening effect > Co-Moderator > Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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