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I am single, recently divorced in November. My Russian wife from hell used me

for 2 1/2 years to get her permanent permission to stay in Norway, but I

discovered her plot, and kicked her out! So now she's on her own for a few

months, before they send her ass back to Russia. THAT was hard on my health.

I slept terribly this night. BUT at about 7-8 am, I think the stomach pain

started to ease. So when I woke up now at 10:30 am, I feel like there is almost

no stomach pain.

BUT:

I have lost weight during the night! Down 6.6 lbs! Is this normal? All I did

yesterday was eat a lil bit less than normal, and I took Arimidex 0.25 mg twice;

Friday and Sunday. I know Arimidex makes E2 go down, thus removing excess fluid

retention. Am I right?

Anyway, less feeling of flu today.

I think I will avoid Arimidex now and see how I feel. Then try to add it back in

later. If I get the same reaction, I can't take it.

I will also avoid Copper, Iron and Vitamin A, and add slowly 1 after 1 back in

to my regime.

HOWEVER, I am not sure what I am going to do about Thyroid. I take 2 grains

daily. ERFA Thyroid. Maybe I had a Thyroid Dump? If this is so, maybe I should

skip taking it today and take a low dose (say 1 & 1/2 grain) tomorrow?

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OK let me go over this for one thing I don't feel you had a thyroid dump your on

a lot of HC meds. I feel your 6.6 lbs weight loss was from water loss taking

the Arimidex so your BP levels might even be down.

Because your feeling better this morning I would not stop the Arimidex did you

have any wood last night.

It can be your Thyroid took a change with the Estradiol coming down. But your

fine now so keep taking the Arimidex.

When your due to take your next pill that it with food and it this crap starts

up all over again then you can't take Arimidex. I hear men using compounded

Arimidex some have sides from the filler they use to compound it with.

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The compunded Arimidex is filled with Calcium, 100 mg each capsule. Hertoghe

only uses calcium for fillers in his caps. I am sure he has a reason to use it.

Probably cause HC uses up Calcium.

I was fine this morning but the pain started after I took HC/Thyroid/Dhea

_AFTER_ I ate my low carb breakfast.

I avoided Arimidex, Copper, Iron and Vitamin A this morning, cause I knew they

could be the reason for my stomach ills. NOW, what happened was... I got worse

after eating breakfast and taking my USUAL regime of pills anyway!

I think that's weird.

I got emails from Hertoghe today, he basically said that I need to stop the

things I already stopped today, see what happenes, add ONE at a time, to see how

that goes.

As for HC stress dosing, he said whenever I feel like I have the flu, take 5-10

mg HC depending on how strong symptoms are, in the first few MINUTES I have the

symptoms, then repeat taking 5-10 mg HC every 30 minutes up to 3 hours after the

symptoms started, to stop all symptoms from developing into a full flu. He said

I should almost never get the flu if I do this.

I also got a test-kit from Genova Diagnostics in the US today. I will test my

stools to see if I have issues, which I certainly do have. Can't wait for the

result. I will also do a separate stool sample for checking inflammation in my

colon, and this will be done at the GPs.

So I am on top of things.

The support from this group means a LOT to me. I LEARN SO MUCH HERE!

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Yes do what your Dr. told you to do.

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You lost up to 6 pounds w/o doing anything other than eating less???

Sorry your marriage didn't go well. It happens and it seems you loved her.

Maybe she loved you also but citizenship should have been discussed regardless

. Its not like her legal status was a secret thing between you two... If

she can find a man, love him, and then have a legal status that doesn't mean she

didn't love the man, however I dnt know your situation.

Follow up with your docs and be be careful taking / not taking meds. Get better

RE: At the ER

I am single, recently divorced in November. My Russian wife from hell used me

for 2 1/2 years to get her permanent permission to stay in Norway, but I

discovered her plot, and kicked her out! So now she's on her own for a few

months, before they send her ass back to Russia. THAT was hard on my health.

I slept terribly this night. BUT at about 7-8 am, I think the stomach pain

started to ease. So when I woke up now at 10:30 am, I feel like there is almost

no stomach pain.

BUT:

I have lost weight during the night! Down 6.6 lbs! Is this normal? All I did

yesterday was eat a lil bit less than normal, and I took Arimidex 0.25 mg twice;

Friday and Sunday. I know Arimidex makes E2 go down, thus removing excess fluid

retention. Am I right?

Anyway, less feeling of flu today.

I think I will avoid Arimidex now and see how I feel. Then try to add it back

in later. If I get the same reaction, I can't take it.

I will also avoid Copper, Iron and Vitamin A, and add slowly 1 after 1 back in

to my regime.

HOWEVER, I am not sure what I am going to do about Thyroid. I take 2 grains

daily. ERFA Thyroid. Maybe I had a Thyroid Dump? If this is so, maybe I should

skip taking it today and take a low dose (say 1 & 1/2 grain) tomorrow?

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That's kind of how it happened to me when I went hyper, . After

spending the night awake and part of it at ER I went home and finally felt

tired enough to sleep around the time the sun came up. Obviously this was

that it had been many hours after my last thyroid dose and things had gone

down low enough to reduce hyper symptoms and to stop that sick virus/flu

feeling.

What I did the next day after all this drama was take a part of my thyroid

dose. I very quickly felt bad and sick again and so I figured out I needed

to give things more time. Your body will tell you if it can or can't take

thyroid at this time. Separating thyroid from your other meds/supplements

will further help you determine if it's thyroid related.

I don't know what to tell you to do, but I will bring up the idea that you

could temporarily back off thyroid in preparation for trying Arimidex again

in case you had a dump from it. And you may be able to open the compounded

capsules and take a fraction of the dose.

-Nigel

On 22 February 2011 03:51, Gibcast <gibcast@...> wrote:

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> I slept terribly this night. BUT at about 7-8 am, I think the stomach pain

> started to ease. So when I woke up now at 10:30 am, I feel like there is

> almost no stomach pain.

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Anyway, less feeling of flu today.

>

> I think I will avoid Arimidex now and see how I feel. Then try to add it

> back in later. If I get the same reaction, I can't take it.

>

> I will also avoid Copper, Iron and Vitamin A, and add slowly 1 after 1 back

> in to my regime.

>

> HOWEVER, I am not sure what I am going to do about Thyroid. I take 2 grains

> daily. ERFA Thyroid. Maybe I had a Thyroid Dump? If this is so, maybe I

> should skip taking it today and take a low dose (say 1 & 1/2 grain)

> tomorrow?

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It also sign could be your body is trying to get rid of some kind of infection

aka small bacterial overgrowth.

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> > more HC? I feel I need more HC now cause of the flu feel. Wont more HC let

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you might want to suggest to your Dr to check TSI antibodies and also

TBII as well to rule out graves disease. Sounds to me like you are flipping back

and forth from hypo and hyper thyroidism at different times of the day. A

betablocker may not such be a bad idea from your drs recommendation.

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Thanks for telling your story Nigel.

I was worried to try Thyroid today, but after speaking to Hertoghe, he didn't

even mention Thyroid, so I took the doses, only 3-4 hours later than I normally

do. And I feel fine, so, no change in Thyroid, and I feel better today. No flu

symptoms really. I think I perhaps removed the flu IF IT WAS THE FLU yesterday

with extra HC, 7.5 mg's worth of it.

Today I didn't take Arimidex, nor Copper, Iron or Vitamin A. Those 4 things are

" new " in my regime, but Arimidex is the only MEDICATION. However, I recently

discovered that MANGANESE supplemenation is VITAL when supplementing iron. If

you don't take manganese, you can get gastointestinal upset from taking iron. So

I will order Manganese today. I did an RBC Minerals test in June 2010, and

manganese came out low, along with chromium and vanadium. so I am taking

Chromium and Vanadium now. I will add Manganese to my regime as soon as it

apepars in my mail!

So, the plan is, according to Hertoghe (ER doc and GP said the same thing) :

Heal my stomach with ONLY boiled foods for 3+ days (Hertoghe-only-advice), then

as I heal, start taking the supplements ONE AT A TIME, then finally add Arimidex

again.

I swear to God I felt better taking Arimidex than not taking it. But I did also

get some weird heartbeating irregularly after taking it. So we'll see how it

goes.

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> I slept terribly this night. BUT at about 7-8 am, I think the stomach pain

> started to ease. So when I woke up now at 10:30 am, I feel like there is

> almost no stomach pain.

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> BUT:

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Anyway, less feeling of flu today.

>

> I think I will avoid Arimidex now and see how I feel. Then try to add it

> back in later. If I get the same reaction, I can't take it.

>

> I will also avoid Copper, Iron and Vitamin A, and add slowly 1 after 1 back

> in to my regime.

>

> HOWEVER, I am not sure what I am going to do about Thyroid. I take 2 grains

> daily. ERFA Thyroid. Maybe I had a Thyroid Dump? If this is so, maybe I

> should skip taking it today and take a low dose (say 1 & 1/2 grain)

> tomorrow?

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I checked ANTI-TPO and TRAS many many times for the past 14 years, and I never

had any reading on them!

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Subject: Re: At the ER

Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 10:12 PM

 

you might want to suggest to your Dr to check TSI antibodies and

also TBII as well to rule out graves disease. Sounds to me like you are flipping

back and forth from hypo and hyper thyroidism at different times of the day. A

betablocker may not such be a bad idea from your drs recommendation.

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True. I remember I learned this not long ago. Maybe I just ate something bad.

Maybe I am in the process of " natural chelation " as I get better balance in my

hormones? :)

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Subject: Re: At the ER

Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 10:08 PM

 

It also sign could be your body is trying to get rid of some kind of

infection aka small bacterial overgrowth.

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> > this happens, today; Stomach pain which is quite intense to be honest, and

> > flufeeling.

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> > If this is a thyroid dump.. Will it worsen or better my condition taking

> > more HC? I feel I need more HC now cause of the flu feel. Wont more HC let

> > more T3 into the cells?

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My temp midnight yesterday: 99.4

My temp this midnight: 97.2

:-) wtf... Maybe not taking arimidex, copper and iron today is letting a whole

lot less Thyroid into My cells?

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Den 22. feb. 2011 kl. 21.40 skrev Nigel <nachonigel@...>:

That's kind of how it happened to me when I went hyper, . After

spending the night awake and part of it at ER I went home and finally felt

tired enough to sleep around the time the sun came up. Obviously this was

that it had been many hours after my last thyroid dose and things had gone

down low enough to reduce hyper symptoms and to stop that sick virus/flu

feeling.

What I did the next day after all this drama was take a part of my thyroid

dose. I very quickly felt bad and sick again and so I figured out I needed

to give things more time. Your body will tell you if it can or can't take

thyroid at this time. Separating thyroid from your other meds/supplements

will further help you determine if it's thyroid related.

I don't know what to tell you to do, but I will bring up the idea that you

could temporarily back off thyroid in preparation for trying Arimidex again

in case you had a dump from it. And you may be able to open the compounded

capsules and take a fraction of the dose.

-Nigel

On 22 February 2011 03:51, Gibcast <gibcast@...> wrote:

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> I slept terribly this night. BUT at about 7-8 am, I think the stomach pain

> started to ease. So when I woke up now at 10:30 am, I feel like there is

> almost no stomach pain.

>

> BUT:

>

Anyway, less feeling of flu today.

>

> I think I will avoid Arimidex now and see how I feel. Then try to add it

> back in later. If I get the same reaction, I can't take it.

>

> I will also avoid Copper, Iron and Vitamin A, and add slowly 1 after 1 back

> in to my regime.

>

> HOWEVER, I am not sure what I am going to do about Thyroid. I take 2 grains

> daily. ERFA Thyroid. Maybe I had a Thyroid Dump? If this is so, maybe I

> should skip taking it today and take a low dose (say 1 & 1/2 grain)

> tomorrow?

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Ah, I hadn't made that connection between manganese and iron. Where'd you

hear that? I've found manganese research very unfruitful. Thanks. I just

know my manganese pills I got smell of smoke. :+|

-Nigel

On 22 February 2011 15:36, Gibcast <gibcast@...> wrote:

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> Thanks for telling your story Nigel.

>

> I was worried to try Thyroid today, but after speaking to Hertoghe, he

> didn't even mention Thyroid, so I took the doses, only 3-4 hours later than

> I normally do. And I feel fine, so, no change in Thyroid, and I feel better

> today. No flu symptoms really. I think I perhaps removed the flu IF IT WAS

> THE FLU yesterday with extra HC, 7.5 mg's worth of it.

>

> Today I didn't take Arimidex, nor Copper, Iron or Vitamin A. Those 4 things

> are " new " in my regime, but Arimidex is the only MEDICATION. However, I

> recently discovered that MANGANESE supplemenation is VITAL when

> supplementing iron. If you don't take manganese, you can get gastointestinal

> upset from taking iron. So I will order Manganese today. I did an RBC

> Minerals test in June 2010, and manganese came out low, along with chromium

> and vanadium. so I am taking Chromium and Vanadium now. I will add Manganese

> to my regime as soon as it apepars in my mail!

>

> So, the plan is, according to Hertoghe (ER doc and GP said the same thing)

> : Heal my stomach with ONLY boiled foods for 3+ days (Hertoghe-only-advice),

> then as I heal, start taking the supplements ONE AT A TIME, then finally add

> Arimidex again.

>

> I swear to God I felt better taking Arimidex than not taking it. But I did

> also get some weird heartbeating irregularly after taking it. So we'll see

> how it goes.

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Smell of smoke? Tell more? Acu-cell.com!

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Den 23. feb. 2011 kl. 00.42 skrev Nigel <nachonigel@...>:

Ah, I hadn't made that connection between manganese and iron. Where'd you

hear that? I've found manganese research very unfruitful. Thanks. I just

know my manganese pills I got smell of smoke. :+|

-Nigel

On 22 February 2011 15:36, Gibcast <gibcast@...> wrote:

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> Thanks for telling your story Nigel.

>

> I was worried to try Thyroid today, but after speaking to Hertoghe, he

> didn't even mention Thyroid, so I took the doses, only 3-4 hours later than

> I normally do. And I feel fine, so, no change in Thyroid, and I feel better

> today. No flu symptoms really. I think I perhaps removed the flu IF IT WAS

> THE FLU yesterday with extra HC, 7.5 mg's worth of it.

>

> Today I didn't take Arimidex, nor Copper, Iron or Vitamin A. Those 4 things

> are " new " in my regime, but Arimidex is the only MEDICATION. However, I

> recently discovered that MANGANESE supplemenation is VITAL when

> supplementing iron. If you don't take manganese, you can get gastointestinal

> upset from taking iron. So I will order Manganese today. I did an RBC

> Minerals test in June 2010, and manganese came out low, along with chromium

> and vanadium. so I am taking Chromium and Vanadium now. I will add Manganese

> to my regime as soon as it apepars in my mail!

>

> So, the plan is, according to Hertoghe (ER doc and GP said the same thing)

> : Heal my stomach with ONLY boiled foods for 3+ days (Hertoghe-only-advice),

> then as I heal, start taking the supplements ONE AT A TIME, then finally add

> Arimidex again.

>

> I swear to God I felt better taking Arimidex than not taking it. But I did

> also get some weird heartbeating irregularly after taking it. So we'll see

> how it goes.

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Like you spoke about in a previous post, maybe you were sick with the Flu

yesterday and today you are not?

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Subject: Re: At the ER

My temp midnight yesterday: 99.4

My temp this midnight: 97.2

:-) wtf... Maybe not taking arimidex, copper and iron today is letting a whole

lot less Thyroid into My cells?

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Den 22. feb. 2011 kl. 21.40 skrev Nigel <nachonigel@...

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That's kind of how it happened to me when I went hyper, . After

spending the night awake and part of it at ER I went home and finally felt

tired enough to sleep around the time the sun came up. Obviously this was

that it had been many hours after my last thyroid dose and things had gone

down low enough to reduce hyper symptoms and to stop that sick virus/flu

feeling.

What I did the next day after all this drama was take a part of my thyroid

dose. I very quickly felt bad and sick again and so I figured out I needed

to give things more time. Your body will tell you if it can or can't take

thyroid at this time. Separating thyroid from your other meds/supplements

will further help you determine if it's thyroid related.

I don't know what to tell you to do, but I will bring up the idea that you

could temporarily back off thyroid in preparation for trying Arimidex again

in case you had a dump from it. And you may be able to open the compounded

capsules and take a fraction of the dose.

-Nigel

On 22 February 2011 03:51, Gibcast <gibcast@...

<mailto:gibcast%40> > wrote:

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> I slept terribly this night. BUT at about 7-8 am, I think the stomach pain

> started to ease. So when I woke up now at 10:30 am, I feel like there is

> almost no stomach pain.

>

> BUT:

>

Anyway, less feeling of flu today.

>

> I think I will avoid Arimidex now and see how I feel. Then try to add it

> back in later. If I get the same reaction, I can't take it.

>

> I will also avoid Copper, Iron and Vitamin A, and add slowly 1 after 1 back

> in to my regime.

>

> HOWEVER, I am not sure what I am going to do about Thyroid. I take 2 grains

> daily. ERFA Thyroid. Maybe I had a Thyroid Dump? If this is so, maybe I

> should skip taking it today and take a low dose (say 1 & 1/2 grain)

> tomorrow?

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Yes maybe i killed the flu with HC stress-doses! :)

Us taking HC actually have an advantage over healthy people that way: we can

kill flus. They can't! (not taking HC!)

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Den 23. feb. 2011 kl. 02.30 skrev " " <hostmaster@...>:

Like you spoke about in a previous post, maybe you were sick with the Flu

yesterday and today you are not?

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of

Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 5:19 PM

Subject: Re: At the ER

My temp midnight yesterday: 99.4

My temp this midnight: 97.2

:-) wtf... Maybe not taking arimidex, copper and iron today is letting a whole

lot less Thyroid into My cells?

Sendt fra min iPhone

Den 22. feb. 2011 kl. 21.40 skrev Nigel <nachonigel@...

<mailto:nachonigel%40gmail.com> >:

That's kind of how it happened to me when I went hyper, . After

spending the night awake and part of it at ER I went home and finally felt

tired enough to sleep around the time the sun came up. Obviously this was

that it had been many hours after my last thyroid dose and things had gone

down low enough to reduce hyper symptoms and to stop that sick virus/flu

feeling.

What I did the next day after all this drama was take a part of my thyroid

dose. I very quickly felt bad and sick again and so I figured out I needed

to give things more time. Your body will tell you if it can or can't take

thyroid at this time. Separating thyroid from your other meds/supplements

will further help you determine if it's thyroid related.

I don't know what to tell you to do, but I will bring up the idea that you

could temporarily back off thyroid in preparation for trying Arimidex again

in case you had a dump from it. And you may be able to open the compounded

capsules and take a fraction of the dose.

-Nigel

On 22 February 2011 03:51, Gibcast <gibcast@...

<mailto:gibcast%40> > wrote:

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> I slept terribly this night. BUT at about 7-8 am, I think the stomach pain

> started to ease. So when I woke up now at 10:30 am, I feel like there is

> almost no stomach pain.

>

> BUT:

>

Anyway, less feeling of flu today.

>

> I think I will avoid Arimidex now and see how I feel. Then try to add it

> back in later. If I get the same reaction, I can't take it.

>

> I will also avoid Copper, Iron and Vitamin A, and add slowly 1 after 1 back

> in to my regime.

>

> HOWEVER, I am not sure what I am going to do about Thyroid. I take 2 grains

> daily. ERFA Thyroid. Maybe I had a Thyroid Dump? If this is so, maybe I

> should skip taking it today and take a low dose (say 1 & 1/2 grain)

> tomorrow?

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Here is how one on HC meds can stop the flu. from this link.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/faq/

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31) What is stress dosing – what if I get sick? As Dr Peatfield just said, the

body makes more cortisol during times of stress. In Dr Jefferies book he says

“A patient with untreated mild adrenal insufficiency or low adrenal reserve

may function reasonably well when environmental conditions are optimum but tends

to tire more easily, and if strenuous physical exercise is undertaken or a meal

skipped, hypoglycemic symptoms may develop. If an infection such as a common

cold develops, symptoms tend to be more severe and last longer than in a person

with normal adrenocortical reserve.†“When a patient with adrenal

insufficiency encounters stress, additional cortisol is necessary to maintain

normal health and sense of well-being.â€

The first rule is to take as little as you need to get through the stress. This

does NOT mean to run your body low on cortisol, but to only dose if you really

need it.

ILLNESS: for colds or slight fevers unrelated to a flu take 20MG at the first

sign of illness, even at bedtime. According to Jefferies some people need up to

80MG a day to get through an illness.

FLU: Take 20MG four times a day till symptoms subside. Flu viruses attack the

adrenals and the cortisol directly so you need a lot extra for this.

DAILY STRESSES: At the first sign of nausea or shaking that can’t be

controlled take 5MG, wait 20-30 minutes for it to work and if nausea or shakes

are still present, take another 5MG, repeat till it stops. After a few such

times you will learn the dose that works for you, usually 5-10 MG will handle

most usual stresses.

SURGERIES: Make sure your anesthesiologist knows you have adrenal insufficiency!

ASK for solumedrol in the anesthesia IV. It is a normal precaution they will

readily do for you for safety.

EXERCISE: While it is preferable you do not exercise to the point of needing

extra cortisol, some feel it is a necessity of life to continue strenuous

exercising while on adrenal meds. If you are exhausted after exercise, or take

hours to recover, STOP. You are doing more damage to your adrenals and are

undoing any good you might be doing by treating them. If you just need energy

boost to do light exercise, try 5-10MG before starting the exercise. The trick

is to supply the cortisol before your adrenals are being beat up for not having

it.

Tapering off stress doses: If over three days, then you must go down slowly, no

more than dropping 5MG every 2-3 days, but if it was just 3 days then you can

drop 10MG every 3 days. If you start to feel exhaustion or especially flu like

symptoms, go back up immediately and slow the decrease down.

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> > I slept terribly this night. BUT at about 7-8 am, I

> think the stomach pain

> > started to ease. So when I woke up now at 10:30 am, I

> feel like there is

> > almost no stomach pain.

> >

> > BUT:

> >

> Anyway, less feeling of flu today.

> >

> > I think I will avoid Arimidex now and see how I feel.

> Then try to add it

> > back in later. If I get the same reaction, I can't

> take it.

> >

> > I will also avoid Copper, Iron and Vitamin A, and add

> slowly 1 after 1 back

> > in to my regime.

> >

> > HOWEVER, I am not sure what I am going to do about

> Thyroid. I take 2 grains

> > daily. ERFA Thyroid. Maybe I had a Thyroid Dump? If

> this is so, maybe I

> > should skip taking it today and take a low dose (say 1

> & 1/2 grain)

> > tomorrow?

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