Androgel and Testis Shrinkage

[Guest guest]

Androgel has brought my T-Level to normal range, or 400-500. Yet, I think my

testis are shrinking. Tough, ultrasound proved otherwise. I am 40 years old,

in good shape otherwise. Of course, I'm very self conscience about this since

I'm dating girls.

Is this a myth or is this a side effect I need to deal with? If my balls are

going to be the size of grapes, I would discontinue its use, which has been good

to date.

I took myself off Androgel some time ago, and yes I did " crash. " Felt absolutely

lethargic! Yet, when I got back on it, felt great from the initial spurt, I

guess. This in regarding to some previous posts.

[Guest guest]

You need to decide for yourself if you need TRT. TRT has a lot to do with

normal sexual health but low T can have many adverse affects; consider what this

means for you. If you were properly diagnosed then TRT is really a no

brainer... you simply will not do well without it - as you testified.

T levels of 400-500 are not quite normal.... they may be high enough that you

are OK with this, but you may actually see greater improvement at higher levels.

In any event, the use of Androgel at whatever dose you are on, is having the

affect of diminishing or stopping your LH production and in turn your testicles

will continue to atrophy.

Do a search here for hCG and you will soon find why HCG is used and recommended.

Aside from keeping your testicles from shriveling to raisins, HCG will allow

your testis to produce there full LH induced array of hormones, and you will

likely feel better then on just TRT alone

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> Androgel has brought my T-Level to normal range, or 400-500. Yet, I think my

testis are shrinking. Tough, ultrasound proved otherwise. I am 40 years old,

in good shape otherwise. Of course, I'm very self conscience about this since

I'm dating girls.

> Is this a myth or is this a side effect I need to deal with? If my balls are

going to be the size of grapes, I would discontinue its use, which has been good

to date.

>

> I took myself off Androgel some time ago, and yes I did " crash. " Felt

absolutely lethargic! Yet, when I got back on it, felt great from the initial

spurt, I guess. This in regarding to some previous posts.

>

[Guest guest]

We all have this problem on TRT you brain sees the T in your blood and slows

down sending the LH and FSH messages to your testis that tell them to make T.

Go to Dr. 's site at www.allthingsmale.com and read TRT: A Recipe for

Success and his HCG Update and read this study that supports what he dose with

HCG.

He puts this out there free for you and your Dr. he is one of the best at this

in the world.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/5/2595

This following is a cut and paste of a post he sent me to help me get my Dr. to

let me try HCG.

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He probably feels that since you suffer primary hypogonadism (I am guessing)

there is no use in adding HCG to your protocol. There are several reasons why

this is not so. First, you have not lost all Leydig cells, so any HCG you take

will stimulate those who still function to produce endogenous testosterone.

This will support testicular size. We should not ignore this aesthetic

consideration.

Next, if he reads my work, he will learn that HPTA-suppressed (as all TRT

patients are to some extent) also suffer decreased pregenenolone levels, which

is the first step after CHOL in all three hormonal pathways which begin with

CHOL. HCG increases pregnenolone production, and therefore restores a more

natural balance of our hormones.

Next, nearly all TRT patients who add in HCG to their regimens report an

increased sense of well-being and also libido. These are genuine quality of life

issues.

Finally, I just instinctively do not want all those LH receptors (including

those we have yet to discover and appreciate) unstimulated.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: ganggreen54 <ganggreen54@...>

> Subject: Androgel and Testis Shrinkage

>

> Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 8:27 PM

> Androgel has brought my T-Level to

> normal range, or 400-500.  Yet, I think my testis are

> shrinking.  Tough, ultrasound proved otherwise.  I

> am 40 years old, in good shape otherwise.  Of course,

> I'm very self conscience about this since I'm dating

> girls. 

> Is this a myth or is this a side effect I need to deal

> with? If my balls are going to be the size of grapes, I

> would discontinue its use, which has been good to date.

>

> I took myself off Androgel some time ago, and yes I did

> " crash. " Felt absolutely lethargic!  Yet, when I got

> back on it, felt great from the initial spurt, I guess. This

> in regarding to some previous posts.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I'm starting to see some shrinkage too.

I talked this over with the wife. She says, that she doesn't really pay much

attention to them during intimacy. I think thats true of most women.

If you're dating and she notices, the only reason she might have a problem is if

it causes her to wonder about sterility.

>

> Androgel has brought my T-Level to normal range, or 400-500. Yet, I think my

testis are shrinking. Tough, ultrasound proved otherwise. I am 40 years old,

in good shape otherwise. Of course, I'm very self conscience about this since

I'm dating girls.

> Is this a myth or is this a side effect I need to deal with? If my balls are

going to be the size of grapes, I would discontinue its use, which has been good

to date.

>

> I took myself off Androgel some time ago, and yes I did " crash. " Felt

absolutely lethargic! Yet, when I got back on it, felt great from the initial

spurt, I guess. This in regarding to some previous posts.

>

[Guest guest]

Still do you want to go through you life not energizing your LH and FSH cells in

your body and brain HCG dose this.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Dave <dcbaden@...>

> Subject: Re: Androgel and Testis Shrinkage

>

> Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 12:44 PM

> I'm starting to see some shrinkage

> too.

> I talked this over with the wife.  She says, that she

> doesn't really pay much attention to them during

> intimacy.  I think thats true of most women.

> If you're dating and she notices, the only reason she might

> have a problem is if it causes her to wonder about

> sterility.

>

>

> >

> > Androgel has brought my T-Level to normal range, or

> 400-500.  Yet, I think my testis are shrinking. 

> Tough, ultrasound proved otherwise.  I am 40 years old,

> in good shape otherwise.  Of course, I'm very self

> conscience about this since I'm dating girls. 

> > Is this a myth or is this a side effect I need to deal

> with? If my balls are going to be the size of grapes, I

> would discontinue its use, which has been good to date.

> >

> > I took myself off Androgel some time ago, and yes I

> did " crash. " Felt absolutely lethargic!  Yet, when I

> got back on it, felt great from the initial spurt, I guess.

> This in regarding to some previous posts.

> >

>

>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Phil,

What have been the results of your HCG usage vs. Plain testosterone?

> > >

> > > Androgel has brought my T-Level to normal range, or

> > 400-500.  Yet, I think my testis are shrinking. 

> > Tough, ultrasound proved otherwise.  I am 40 years old,

> > in good shape otherwise.  Of course, I'm very self

> > conscience about this since I'm dating girls. 

> > > Is this a myth or is this a side effect I need to deal

> > with? If my balls are going to be the size of grapes, I

> > would discontinue its use, which has been good to date.

> > >

> > > I took myself off Androgel some time ago, and yes I

> > did " crash. " Felt absolutely lethargic!  Yet, when I

> > got back on it, felt great from the initial spurt, I guess.

> > This in regarding to some previous posts.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> >

[Guest guest]

You can read my story at this link adding HCG we were able to find out after

being on TRT for 23 yrs that I am not Primary meaning my Testis don't work that

I am Secondary meaning my Pituitary does not work.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=9239 & sid=3d0b313eace92f022\

e2ef61f21749d5d

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Dave <dcbaden@...>

> Subject: Re: Androgel and Testis Shrinkage

>

> Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 3:53 PM

> Phil,

> What have been the results of your HCG usage vs. Plain

> testosterone?

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Androgel has brought my T-Level to normal

> range, or

> > > 400-500.  Yet, I think my testis are

> shrinking. 

> > > Tough, ultrasound proved otherwise.  I am 40

> years old,

> > > in good shape otherwise.  Of course, I'm very

> self

> > > conscience about this since I'm dating girls. 

> > > > Is this a myth or is this a side effect I

> need to deal

> > > with? If my balls are going to be the size of

> grapes, I

> > > would discontinue its use, which has been good to

> date.

> > > >

> > > > I took myself off Androgel some time ago,

> and yes I

> > > did " crash. " Felt absolutely lethargic!  Yet,

> when I

> > > got back on it, felt great from the initial

> spurt, I guess.

> > > This in regarding to some previous posts.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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