Guest guest Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 UU, All you needed to say is my Endo and I know your not seeing the right kind of Dr. for your problems. Here is a copy of what Dr. told me in a post to help me get my Dr. to put me on HCG. =================================================== He probably feels that since you suffer primary hypogonadism (I am guessing) there is no use in adding HCG to your protocol. There are several reasons why this is not so. First, you have not lost all Leydig cells, so any HCG you take will stimulate those who still function to produce endogenous testosterone. This will support testicular size. We should not ignore this aesthetic consideration. Next, if he reads my work, he will learn that HPTA-suppressed (as all TRT patients are to some extent) also suffer decreased pregenenolone levels, which is the first step after CHOL in all three hormonal pathways which begin with CHOL. HCG increases pregnenolone production, and therefore restores a more natural balance of our hormones. Next, nearly all TRT patients who add in HCG to their regimens report an increased sense of well-being and also libido. These are genuine quality of life issues. Finally, I just instinctively do not want all those LH receptors (including those we have yet to discover and appreciate) unstimulated. ---------------------------------------------------- And this link supports what Dr. at www.allthingsmale.com says in his paper Update on HCG. http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/5/2595 Endo's and Uro's are not good Dr.'s for low Testosterone problems. I only know of a few men seeing good ones out of thousands. Co-Moderator Phil > From: U U <uu1845@...> > Subject: Should I take HCG? > > Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 11:26 AM > Good day and Happy New Year to all! > > My E2 was over 30 last time it was checked. I brought the > DIM Phil recommended, > although I wish the pill was smaller given my difficulty > still to swallow solid > foods. > > I was wondering, I am very self confident about my package. > My penis and > scrotum. I know it is not my fault due to primary > hypogandism. Yet I still think > HCG can help. I have read from you guys that it can help, > but my Endo doctor > stated it will not help me. > > The more I look at my balls, the more I am reminded by..... > side effects is all. > > Questions > _____________ > > Would it be a good idea for me to buy HCG online? > > If so, where can I buy it without having to mix anything if > possible. > > Secondly, can I expect my balls to increase in size in a > couple of months? > > Or will HCG screw up the slim chance I have to conceive? > > If so, HCG or any drug is not worth it. > > > Thanks > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 Thank you for this info. If my current Endo doesn't go along with this, what site can I order it from? My Endo told me he is under pressure due to having another doc leaving late last yr, so my next appointment is in March. I would like to try and buy it on my own. Should I take HCG? > > Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 11:26 AM > Good day and Happy New Year to all! > > My E2 was over 30 last time it was checked. I brought the > DIM Phil recommended, > although I wish the pill was smaller given my difficulty > still to swallow solid > foods. > > I was wondering, I am very self confident about my package. > My penis and > scrotum. I know it is not my fault due to primary > hypogandism. Yet I still think > HCG can help. I have read from you guys that it can help, > but my Endo doctor > stated it will not help me. > > The more I look at my balls, the more I am reminded by..... > side effects is all. > > Questions > _____________ > > Would it be a good idea for me to buy HCG online? > > If so, where can I buy it without having to mix anything if > possible. > > Secondly, can I expect my balls to increase in size in a > couple of months? > > Or will HCG screw up the slim chance I have to conceive? > > If so, HCG or any drug is not worth it. > > > Thanks > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 You can order it per-mixed from the ADC for a start just try one 2000 IU vial. http://www.alldaychemist.com/688-hucog-2000-iu-.html Co-Moderator Phil > > > From: U U <uu1845@...> > > Subject: Should I take HCG? > > > > Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 11:26 AM > > Good day and Happy New Year to all! > > > > My E2 was over 30 last time it was checked. I brought > the > > DIM Phil recommended, > > although I wish the pill was smaller given my > difficulty > > still to swallow solid > > foods. > > > > I was wondering, I am very self confident about my > package. > > My penis and > > scrotum. I know it is not my fault due to primary > > hypogandism. Yet I still think > > HCG can help. I have read from you guys that it can > help, > > but my Endo doctor > > stated it will not help me. > > > > The more I look at my balls, the more I am reminded > by..... > > side effects is all. > > > > Questions > > _____________ > > > > Would it be a good idea for me to buy HCG online? > > > > If so, where can I buy it without having to mix > anything if > > possible. > > > > Secondly, can I expect my balls to increase in size > in a > > couple of months? > > > > Or will HCG screw up the slim chance I have to > conceive? > > > > If so, HCG or any drug is not worth it. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 Thank you for the site. Premixed it cost only $10? I was thinking of much more. Two questions: Which neddles should I purchase? Can you explain what " premixing " means? I was also thinking about buying Testostrone if I am going to use HCG. Which brand would you recommend including needles for oil T? Thank you Phil from my heart Sir Re: Should I take HCG? > > > UU, > > All you needed to say is my Endo and I know your not > seeing the right kind of Dr. for your problems. > Here is a copy of what Dr. told me [The entire original message is not included] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 I would not try to buy Testosterone with out a Dr.'s script underground T you have no Idea what your getting. ADC will not see T. I use a 30g 1ml x 1/2 " lg. needle. http://tinyurl.com/2g4hzmx The kind of HCG I use is called Novarel it comes in 10,000 IU's and need to be mixed with 10 mls. of Bac. Water. Once it is mixed I need to keep it in the fridge and it's only good for 30 days. If you get the per-mixed you need to keep it in the fridge after you start using it and it's only good for 30 days but doing a 250 IU's shot 2x's a week it's gone in 30 days. Here is how you mix if it you buy the kind that needs mixing. If you buy the kind that needs mixing make sure it comes in a Vail so after you mix it you can keep it in the fridge. The ADC kinds of HCG that need mixing the water that comes with it is ment to me mix and used the same day so you need to by some Bac. water. ==================================================== BTW...the water you need to reconstitute HCG is bacteriostatic water. Calculating HCG: There isn't a specific ratio of cc/ml to IU. It depends on how you mix it. It's quite simple. If you dillute 5,000 IUs HCG with 5ml (cc) solvent, the end result is 1,000 IUs per ml (cc). Divide the same 5,000 IUs with 10 ml (cc) and the end result is 500 IUs per ml (cc). Therefore, a large part depends on the concentration of HCG per ampoule or vial. Mixing HCG: (Items needed: bacwater h20 and some 5ml emty vials-get****). 1) Open hcg/amp with powder 2) Use a syringe to pull out 1cc of BacWater and put in amp with HCG 3) It will instantly dissolve 4) Then Use an empty 5ml vial (sterile and sealed) put 4ml of Bacwater in the vial 5) Take syringe and ad the mixed HCG solution to the 5ml vial 6) Shake it and you have 5000IU's of HCG 7) Than draw 1cc and inject 8) put the rest in the refrigerator •The reason your discarding the amp of solvent cause its made for 1 times use and you wouldn’t be able to refrigerate it and use it a week later again. That’s why you need Bac H2o. •The most common side affect associated with HCG is gynecomastia. The concurrent intake of Nolvadex with HCG prevents gynecomastia, prevents/minimizes leydig cell desensitization and contiues the stimulation of pituitary LH once HCG has been discontinued. •HCG will last approximately 30 days if mixed with Bac h2o instead of the solvent it comes with. •You can keep the mixed hcg in vial or pins In the fridge till use ------------------------------------------------ Here is a link to the Bac. water and this keeps a long time. http://www.evotrition.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=Hospira_BactWater Co-Moderator Phil > > > From: UU <uu1845@...> > > Subject: RE: Should I take HCG? > > > > Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 2:49 PM > > Thank you for this info. If my > > current Endo doesn't go along with this, what site > can I > > order it from? My Endo told me he is under pressure > due to > > having another doc leaving late last yr, so my next > > appointment is in March. I would like to try and buy > it on > > my own. > > > > Re: Should I take HCG? > > > > > > UU, > > > > All you needed to say is my Endo and I know your not > > seeing the right kind of Dr. for your problems. > > Here is a copy of what Dr. told me > > [The entire original message is not included] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 Wow! This seems complicated... Is there hcg that doesn't need mixing? If no, do I need to also order mixing and measuring vials / cups? Ill stick to the gel for now for T. I switched before because I am not good at giving myself shots, but I can't take something that will further lessen my sperm count! I am 33 and still believe maybe I can conceive but I feel it must be soon. The more I take Test,, the more my testicles get smaller. Be well this afternoon Phil, take in a movie RE: Should I take HCG? I would not try to buy Testosterone with out a Dr.'s script underground T you have no Idea what your getting. ADC will not see T. I use a 30g 1ml x 1/2 " lg. needle. http://tinyurl.com/2g4hzmx The kind of HCG I use is called Novarel it comes in 10,000 IU's and need to be mixed with 10 mls. of Bac. Water. Once it is mixed I need to keep it in the fridge and it's only good for 30 days. If you get the per-mixed you need to keep it in the fridge after you start using it and it's only good for 30 days but doing a 250 IU's shot 2x's a week it's gone in 30 days. Here is how you mix if it you buy the kind that needs mixing. If you buy the kind that needs mixing make sure it comes in a Vail so after you mix it you can keep it in the fridge. The ADC kinds of HCG that need mixing the water that comes with it is ment to me mix and used the same day so you need to by some Bac. water. ==================================================== BTW...the water you need to reconstitute HCG is bacteriostatic water. Calculating HCG: There isn't a specific ratio of cc/ml to IU. It depends on how you mix it. It's quite simple. If you dillute 5,000 IUs HCG with 5ml (cc) solvent, the end result is 1,000 IUs per ml (cc). Divide the same 5,000 IUs with 10 ml (cc) and the end result is 500 IUs per ml (cc). Therefore, a lar [The entire original message is not included] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 Yes this was the first link I gave you to the 2000 IU's per-mixed HCG. But now I don't see it. It is called Premixed Hucog 2000 i.u. And here is the link to it. http://www.alldaychemist.com/688-hucog-2000-iu-.html Co-Moderator Phil > From: UU <uu1845@...> > Subject: RE: Should I take HCG? > > Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 4:09 PM > Wow! This seems complicated... Is > there hcg that doesn't need mixing? > > If no, do I need to also order mixing and measuring vials / > cups? > > Ill stick to the gel for now for T. > > I switched before because I am not good at giving myself > shots, but I can't take something that will further lessen > my sperm count! I am 33 and still believe maybe I can > conceive but I feel it must be soon. The more I take Test,, > the more my testicles get smaller. Be well this afternoon > Phil, take in a movie > > RE: Should I take HCG? > > > I would not try to buy Testosterone with out a Dr.'s script > underground T you have no Idea what your getting. ADC will > not see T. I use a 30g 1ml x 1/2 " lg. needle. > http://tinyurl.com/2g4hzmx > > The kind of HCG I use is called Novarel it comes in 10,000 > IU's and need to be mixed with 10 mls. of Bac. Water. Once > it is mixed I need to keep it in the fridge and it's only > good for 30 days. If you get the per-mixed you need to keep > it in the fridge after you start using it and it's only good > for 30 days but doing a 250 IU's shot 2x's a week it's gone > in 30 days. Here is how you mix if it you buy the kind that > needs mixing. If you buy the kind that needs mixing make > sure it comes in a Vail so after you mix it you can keep it > in the fridge. The ADC kinds of HCG that need mixing the > water that comes with it is ment to me mix and used the same > day so you need to by some Bac. water. > ==================================================== > BTW...the water you need to reconstitute HCG is > bacteriostatic water. > > Calculating HCG: > > There isn't a specific ratio of cc/ml to IU. It depends on > how you mix it. It's quite simple. If you dillute 5,000 IUs > HCG with 5ml (cc) solvent, the end result is 1,000 IUs per > ml (cc). Divide the same 5,000 IUs with 10 ml (cc) and the > end result is 500 IUs per ml (cc). Therefore, a lar > > [The entire original message is not included] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 Hello, Ok I will order two month for 10 dollars per including the needles you recommended. Ill read in how to mix and measure. Had a job interview that went well today and another on Thursday. I am losing my hair but taking something to regrow it and I always felt self concious especially when someone looks at my forehead, but I showed little self conciousness! I am going to start not wearing a hat. Take care Phil and if we can help your life, we are here RE: Should I take HCG? > > Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 4:09 PM > Wow! This seems complicated... Is > there hcg that doesn't need mixing? > > If no, do I need to also order mixing and measuring vials / > cups? > > Ill stick to the gel for now for T. > > I switched before because I am not good at giving myself > shots, but I can't take something that will further lessen > my sperm count! I am 33 and still believe maybe I can > conceive but I feel it must be soon. The more I take Test,, > the more my testicles get smaller. Be well this afternoon > Phil, take in a movie > > -----Original Message----- > From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> > Sent: Monday, January 0 [The entire original message is not included] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 OK but you will not get a 2 month supply for $10.00 this will only last your 30 days. If I were you I would try the per-mixed brand I gave you a link to. I hope your not taking Propecia, Proscar, Finasteride to grow your hair. This suff will kill your hormones and sex life. Co-Moderator Phil > > > From: UU <uu1845@...> > > Subject: RE: Should I take HCG? > > > > Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 4:09 PM > > Wow! This seems complicated... Is > > there hcg that doesn't need mixing? > > > > If no, do I need to also order mixing and measuring > vials / > > cups? > > > > Ill stick to the gel for now for T. > > > > I switched before because I am not good at giving > myself > > shots, but I can't take something that will further > lessen > > my sperm count! I am 33 and still believe maybe I > can > > conceive but I feel it must be soon. The more I take > Test,, > > the more my testicles get smaller. Be well this > afternoon > > Phil, take in a movie > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> > > Sent: Monday, January 0 > > [The entire original message is not included] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 After re-examining and looking at 1,000 of post in the past about hormone balance, one needs to look at the benefit to risk ratio of HCG to determine if it is for you. Having small testicles is well worth keeping once e2 stable and feeling emotional sound. I spend way to much time chasing e2 for years. All of these e2 problems did not start untill I started on HCG. NOw off hcg my e2 is stable and feeling more my old self. I have guys that are on TRT with out ?HCG and their testicles are fine. Again you need to see if it is appropriate in your specific case. Yes HCG does give you sense of well being but it can be short lived once the e2 get imbalanced. HCG with people with adrenal issues need to be a concern as well because hcg can cause your adrenals to overstimulate resulting in depletion of DHEA and cortisol. In these cases I have found HCG may not be the best route and may actually induce a state of adrenal fatigue. > > > From: UU <uu1845@...> > > Subject: RE: Should I take HCG? > > > > Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 2:49 PM > > Thank you for this info. If my > > current Endo doesn't go along with this, what site can I > > order it from? My Endo told me he is under pressure due to > > having another doc leaving late last yr, so my next > > appointment is in March. I would like to try and buy it on > > my own. > > > > Re: Should I take HCG? > > > > > > UU, > > > > All you needed to say is my Endo and I know your not > > seeing the right kind of Dr. for your problems. > > Here is a copy of what Dr. told me > > [The entire original message is not included] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 Minoxidil products, I tried Walgreens and it was working, however it gave me a bad reaction which caused a derm issue that makes my hair in the make look patchy. I decided to grow out my hair but not too much because it wouldn't look right with areas taking time to grow in. Its a nasty ingredient in Minoxidil that causes bad reactions. I found Minoxidilmax that has two products w/o that nasty ingredient. So, I order two from amazon, and take the one that doesn't worsten the reaction in the back, while I take Lipogaine that has the ingredient to grow out the front are of my hair. Its a slow process and eventually ill save up for hair transplantation. RE: Should I take HCG? > > Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 12:27 PM > Hello, Ok I will order two month for > 10 dollars per including the needles you recommended. Ill > read in how to mix and measure. Had a job interview that > went well today and another on Thursday. I am losing my hair > but taking something to regrow it and I always felt self > concious especially when someone looks at my forehead, but I > showed little self conciousness! I am going to start not > wearing a hat. Take care Phil and if we can help your life, > we are here > > -----Original Message----- > From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 5:25 PM > To: [The entire original message is not included] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 Good points Hard do you feel most of this has to do with one being Primary or Secondary. Co-Moderator Phil > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> > Subject: Re: Should I take HCG? > > Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 1:51 PM > After re-examining and looking at > 1,000 of post in the past about hormone balance, one needs > to look at the benefit to risk ratio of HCG to determine if > it is for you. Having small testicles is well worth keeping > once e2 stable and feeling emotional sound. I spend way to > much time chasing e2 for years. All of these e2 > problems did not start untill I started on HCG. NOw off hcg > my e2 is stable and feeling more my old self. I have > guys that are on TRT with out ?HCG and their testicles are > fine. Again you need to see if it is appropriate in > your specific case. Yes HCG does give you sense of well > being but it can be short lived once the e2 get imbalanced. > HCG with people with adrenal issues need to be a concern as > well because hcg can cause your adrenals to overstimulate > resulting in depletion of DHEA and cortisol. In these > cases I have found HCG may not be the best route and may > actually induce a state of adrenal fatigue. > > > > > > > From: UU <uu1845@...> > > > Subject: RE: Should I take > HCG? > > > > > > Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 2:49 PM > > > Thank you for this info. If my > > > current Endo doesn't go along with this, > what site can I > > > order it from? My Endo told me he is under > pressure due to > > > having another doc leaving late last yr, so > my next > > > appointment is in March. I would like to > try and buy it on > > > my own. > > > > > > Re: Should I take > HCG? > > > > > > > > > UU, > > > > > > All you needed to say is my Endo and I know > your not > > > seeing the right kind of Dr. for your > problems. > > > Here is a copy of what Dr. told me > > > > [The entire original message is not included] > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 So Hard, are you for HCG for small testicles? Good points also Re: Should I take HCG? > > Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 1:51 PM > After re-examining and looking at > 1,000 of post in the past about hormone balance, one needs > to look at the benefit to risk ratio of HCG to determine if > it is for you. Having small testicles is well worth keeping > once e2 stable and feeling emotional sound. I spend way to > much time chasing e2 for years. All of these e2 > problems did not start untill I started on HCG. NOw off hcg > my e2 is stable and feeling more my old self. I have > guys that are on TRT with out ?HCG and their testicles are > fine. Again you need to see if it is appropriate in > your specific case. Yes HCG does give you sense of well > being but it can be short lived once the e2 get imbalanced. > HCG with people with adrenal issues need to be a concern as > well because hcg can cause your adrenals to overstimulate > resulting in depletion o [The entire original message is not included] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 I would use that or HMG. Is large testivcles worth feeling like crap due to fluctuation of e2? That is something you need to decide ..I prefer small meatballs having bigger sauage and feeling emotional and physical stable then going on an e2 rollercoaster. BTW my girl thinks they are cute. As long as I can perform like a man and still can shoot loads like peter north I am fine > > > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> > > Subject: Re: Should I take HCG? > > > > Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 1:51 PM > > After re-examining and looking at > > 1,000 of post in the past about hormone balance, one needs > > to look at the benefit to risk ratio of HCG to determine if > > it is for you. Having small testicles is well worth keeping > > once e2 stable and feeling emotional sound. I spend way to > > much time chasing e2 for years. All of these e2 > > problems did not start untill I started on HCG. NOw off hcg > > my e2 is stable and feeling more my old self. I have > > guys that are on TRT with out ?HCG and their testicles are > > fine. Again you need to see if it is appropriate in > > your specific case. Yes HCG does give you sense of well > > being but it can be short lived once the e2 get imbalanced. > > HCG with people with adrenal issues need to be a concern as > > well because hcg can cause your adrenals to overstimulate > > resulting in depletion o > > [The entire original message is not included] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 With Test., I noticed my output is normal and North was overrated. I asked because larger testicles mean more sperm that can be produced. However, I am primary and I think HCG or HMG can increase my testes, but w/o helping them produce more sperm. I use an extender and exercises to increase my size. Not my fault cause I did not have enough Test., during puberty. But I am finally learning how to increase my size. Its expensive and a lot of regular work with patience! I hope you and your girl last. Re: Should I take HCG? > > > > Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 1:51 PM > > After re-examining and looking at > > 1,000 [The entire original message is not included] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 its not all about size or duration, but how you feel about one another and total chemistry (how you use it). The idea of having a big wanker is over rated and some girls you can bottom out on easily not being donkey dong. north was the man back in the day !! ?Unless you have condition called micropenis I think you have nothing to worry about. My girl is 22 I am 37, but we have so much more incommon then just being nymphos > > > > > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@> > > > Subject: Re: Should I take HCG? > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 1:51 PM > > > After re-examining and looking at > > > 1,000 > > [The entire original message is not included] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 I hear you bro. He was back then. Porn is another addiction! Wow I am 33 and vowed not to date below 29 because I want to see if I can conceive asap also, I wouldn't want a young woman to feel trapped, knowing I want a baby and she still has her youth. To each his / her own, as long as you are happy. Re: Should I take HCG? > > > I would use that or HMG. Is large testivcles worth feeling like crap due to fluctuation of e2? That is something you need to decide ..I prefer small meatballs having bigger [The entire original message is not included] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 Have seen HGC being sold at walgreens billed as a diet supplement. Does anyone know if it is the same strength as what you get medically or if it will do the same thing?? Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 I am going to purchase a box today....I dont need to loose the weight, but want to take it to see if it is the same, I will keep the group posted on it Bob In a message dated 1/5/2011 9:49:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, uu1845@... writes: Hey! I have seen this also at Walgreens, near the glasses. I thought it looked oddly strange given our group discussions. Maybe you can go on the site and post its link info for others here. -----Original Message----- From: _bwilli45409@..._ (mailto:bwilli45409@...) Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:33 AM _ _ (mailto: ) Subject: Re: Re: Should I take HCG? Have seen HGC being sold at walgreens billed as a diet supplement. Does anyone know if it is the same strength as what you get medically or if it will do the same thing?? Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic [The entire original message is not included] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 LEt me give you a simple solution. If you want to know you can concieve simple go down to clinic do what a man does best handing them a sample. The lab will sent it out and give your report of size, motility, and probabllity of conception. If there is an issue then you work at changing lifestyle and doing what is necessary. One can take clomid and feel like a porn star for a few weeks untill conception occurs. One guy was on TRT and I suggested clomid with in one week BAM Surprise !! Every ones body is different so response will vary. Best of luck my freind and happy hunting > > > > With Test., I noticed my output is normal and North was overrated. I asked because larger testicles mean more sperm that can be produced. However, I am primary and I think HCG or HMG can increase my testes, but w/o helping them produce more sperm. I use an extender and exercises to increase my size. Not my fault cause I did not have enough Test., during puberty. But I am finally learning how to increase my size. Its expensive and a lot of regular work with patience! I hope you and your girl last. > > > > Re: Should I take HCG? > > > > > > I would use that or HMG. Is large testivcles worth feeling like crap due to fluctuation of e2? That is something you need to decide ..I prefer small meatballs having bigger > > [The entire original message is not included] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 Good morning, although this is true, when I suggested this to my dr, he stated I would have to be off of Test., for about 3-6 months to get a good result. I then stated that's a long time to be off of T and cannot do it. Re: Should I take HCG? > > > its not all about size or duration, but how you feel about one another and total chemistry (how you use it). The idea of having a big wanker is over rated and some girls you can bottom out on easily not being donkey don [The entire original message is not included] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 Hey! I have seen this also at Walgreens, near the glasses. I thought it looked oddly strange given our group discussions. Maybe you can go on the site and post its link info for others here. Re: Re: Should I take HCG? Have seen HGC being sold at walgreens billed as a diet supplement. Does anyone know if it is the same strength as what you get medically or if it will do the same thing?? Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 First let me say not all men end up with higher levels of Estradiol doing HCG. It's about how much your testis can handle. Lets say your Primary and your levels before starting on TRT were 350. Primary means your testis can't make enough Testosterone so you need to find the dose that keeps your testis working but more then this dose or yes it will convert into Estadiol. If your Secondary like me then you can use more when I first went on HCG I was told I am Primary. After Dr. 's helping me with a post to get my Dr. to let me try HCG. I went on 500 IU's 3x's/ day on top of the 150 mgs of Test C shot that I did every week. After doing the 15th. HCG shot we did labs. Now at the time my lab was a loco lab with a top of the range at 1593. My labs come back on the HCG at 1200 they doubled from my last test on just Test C of 600 this told us I am not Primary but I am Secondary. At the time after being on TRT 23 yrs my Testis were the size of small grapes. And with I had an orgasm my sperm was a drop. In time on HCG my testis got bigger back to there normal size and my sperm was normal in size. But in time my Estraadiol levels kept going higher so we started to back off the HCG when I got down to 300 IU's my Testosterone levels fell a lot. So this told us I needed between 350 to 400 IU's to keep my T levels up and hold down my Estradiol levels. Now fast forward to today I don't do a lot of HCG I do Test C shots every 3 days to keep more leveled, to keep my blood thinner and to hold down my Estraidol levels. So now I only do 250 IU's every 3 days the day before my Test C shot. I am 66 yrs old over weight can't exercise and my Estradiol is a problem to keep them down I do .25 mgs of Arimidex every day there are times were I need .5 to 1mg everyday. I have tried to lower my Test C dose and my HCG but I don't feel right my levels fall off from the upper 800's down into the lower 500's. So for me it's a small price to pay to have to take Arimidex to hold down my Estradiol and feel good. The following is why Dr. feels men on TRT need HCG. ==================================================== He probably feels that since you suffer primary hypogonadism (I am guessing) there is no use in adding HCG to your protocol. There are several reasons why this is not so. First, you have not lost all Leydig cells, so any HCG you take will stimulate those who still function to produce endogenous testosterone. This will support testicular size. We should not ignore this aesthetic consideration. Next, if he reads my work, he will learn that HPTA-suppressed (as all TRT patients are to some extent) also suffer decreased pregenenolone levels, which is the first step after CHOL in all three hormonal pathways which begin with CHOL. HCG increases pregnenolone production, and therefore restores a more natural balance of our hormones. Next, nearly all TRT patients who add in HCG to their regimens report an increased sense of well-being and also libido. These are genuine quality of life issues. Finally, I just instinctively do not want all those LH receptors (including those we have yet to discover and appreciate) unstimulated. ---------------------------------------------------- And this link supports what he says and feels about HCG. http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/5/2595 I have talked to a lot of the diet people and some of the men on HCG for there TRT doing the HCG diet. They shoot about 150 IU's /day of HCG when doing the HCG diet. I told some of them they need to have there Estraidol levels checked and the ones that did were not high. Some men going on HCG it just converts into Estradiol and there is not much help with there testis them men need to figure this out and not do HCG. After all I went 23 yrs with no LH and FSH levels due to being on TRT and my Testis stopped working and got small it did not kill me. Co-Moderator Phil > From: UU <uu1845@...> > Subject: RE: Re: Should I take HCG? > > Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 8:28 PM > With Test., I noticed my output is > normal and North was overrated. I asked because larger > testicles mean more sperm that can be produced. However, I > am primary and I think HCG or HMG can increase my testes, > but w/o helping them produce more sperm. I use an extender > and exercises to increase my size. Not my fault cause I did > not have enough Test., during puberty. But I am finally > learning how to increase my size. Its expensive and a lot of > regular work with patience! I hope you and your girl last. > > Re: Should I take HCG? > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 1:51 PM > > > After re-examining and looking at > > > 1,000 > > [The entire original message is not included] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 It is highly unlkely you can just walk into a pharmacy with out a scrip and purchase hcg. If you do not need it medical purposes then it would be advisable not to even mess with it because it can make pre existing issues even worse. If this is the case then they are in major violation of FDA codes risking million dollar law suit. > > > I am going to purchase a box today....I dont need to loose the weight, but > want to take it to see if it is the same, I will keep the group posted on > it > > Bob > > > In a message dated 1/5/2011 9:49:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > uu1845@... writes: > > > > > Hey! I have seen this also at Walgreens, near the glasses. I thought it > looked oddly strange given our group discussions. Maybe you can go on the site > and post its link info for others here. > > -----Original Message----- > From: _bwilli45409@..._ (mailto:bwilli45409@...) > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:33 AM > _ _ (mailto: ) > Subject: Re: Re: Should I take HCG? > > Have seen HGC being sold at walgreens billed as a diet supplement. Does > anyone know if it is the same strength as what you get medically or if it > will do the same thing?? > > Bob > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic > > [The entire original message is not included] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 So what's the difference ordering hcg w/o a script online? If Phil thinks it can help, ill try it. My fear is a further reduction in sperm. Re: Re: Should I take HCG? > > Have seen HGC being sold at walgreens billed as a diet supplement. Does [The entire original message is not included] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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