Re: Re: The FDA pulled the only pain med. I can take.

[Guest guest]

Thanks ~Xian,

After much posting and searching I found a paper by Spacedoc.com about Pain

Relief and Exercising. I need to show this to my Dr. and try going on Ultram

300mg A stronger tramadol. In his paper he says the following that shows why I

have a problem with more pain walking and trying to do light exercise.

*http://www.spacedoc.net/pain_relief_vital_statin_damaged

I need to walk and try and exercising in water.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: d00fu524 <calvin1564@...>

> Subject: Re: The FDA pulled the only pain med. I can take.

>

> Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 11:41 AM

> Bummer to hear that, Phil.  It

> seems that the withdrawal of certain drugs (in this case,

> pain relievers) often leaves patients without a working

> option for their needs.

>

> I wonder though if you've tried/considered

> buprenorphine/suboxone.  It is a schedule 3 controlled

> substance (while Darvocet is schedule 4); buprenorphine is

> prescribed for chronic pain (I have friends with

> fibromyalgia who have taken it with good responses, and one

> who had severe bone pain from osteogenesis imperfecta who

> found significant relief while on it).  An additional

> use of suboxone- which does not pertain to your situation-

> is to treat narcotic addiction.  This unique feature is

> due to buprenorphine's combination of suboxone with

> naloxone, which acts as an opoid receptor antagonist &

> somewhat reduces the likelihood of addiction. 

>

> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buprenorphine)

>

> Rheumatologists/pain specialists would be your best

> bet.  You can do a search here for doctors licensed to

> prescribed buprenorphine/suboxone:

(http://buprenorphine.samhsa.gov/bwns_locator/dr_search.htm)

>

> Hopefully, you can find some alternative medication which

> successfully provides pain relief.

>

> ~Xian

>

>

> >

> > Dr.'s can hand out Statin Drugs like it's candy yet

> yesterday the FDA pull Darvocet the only pain pill I can

> take that dose not make me feel sick. Now what can I do for

> the pain I am in from being on Statin Drugs. I had Heart

> Bypass Surgery 2 yrs ago in the hosp. they tired every kind

> of Pain med there is for my pain.

> >

> > After being in a coma 13 weeks I had to be opened up 5

> x's due to infections and they put me in a coma becuse they

> could not close me up until the blood thinners were out of

> my body.

> >

> > I ended up with a huge bed sore on my back side and

> needed pain meds for this when I got out of ICU. The only

> one that worked was a shot I can't remember the name. But

> they could not let me go home until they found a pain med I

> could take that agreed with me and it was Darvocet.

> >

> > Here is what I found as to why they pulled Darvocet.

> >

*http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sc-dc-1120-fda-darvon-20101\

119,0,3731927.story

>

> >

> > =============================

> >

> >

> > The FDA's decision, based on data showing a risk of

> serious heart rhythm abnormalities

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I tired this one made me feel funny in the head.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Dave <dcbaden@...>

> Subject: Re: The FDA pulled the only pain med. I can take.

>

> Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 11:47 AM

> Have you tried Neurontin /

> Gabapentin?

> Some people report similar relief to opioids but without

> the addiction potential and other side effects.

> It does seem to be an estrogen agonist, however.

>

>

> >

> > Dr.'s can hand out Statin Drugs like it's candy yet

> yesterday the FDA pull Darvocet the only pain pill I can

> take that dose not make me feel sick. Now what can I do for

> the pain I am in from being on Statin Drugs. I had Heart

> Bypass Surgery 2 yrs ago in the hosp. they tired every kind

> of Pain med there is for my pain.

> >

> > After being in a coma 13 weeks I had to be opened up 5

> x's due to infections and they put me in a coma becuse they

> could not close me up until the blood thinners were out of

> my body.

> >

> > I ended up with a huge bed sore on my back side and

> needed pain meds for this when I got out of ICU. The only

> one that worked was a shot I can't remember the name. But

> they could not let me go home until they found a pain med I

> could take that agreed with me and it was Darvocet.

> >

> > Here is what I found as to why they pulled Darvocet.

> >

*http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sc-dc-1120-fda-darvon-20101\

119,0,3731927.story

>

> >

> > =============================

> >

> >

> > The FDA's decision, based on data showing a risk of

> serious heart rhythm abnormalities

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks I have been reading up on it I will try this for sure.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: master_trancer <master_trancer@...>

> Subject: Re: The FDA pulled the only pain med. I can take.

>

> Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 3:02 PM

> Phil,

>

> I was on Tramadol 50mg 3x/day for a sprained back. I was on

> it for about 8 weeks. All I can say is its a damn good pain

> medicine. Didnt mess me up and actually relieved my pain.

> Its really the only pain med that I have taken that I can

> say really works.

>

> I hope you can experiance relief with it as well.

>

> Good luck

>

>  

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Dr.'s can hand out Statin Drugs like it's

> candy yet

> > > yesterday the FDA pull Darvocet the only pain

> pill I can

> > > take that dose not make me feel sick. Now what

> can I do for

> > > the pain I am in from being on Statin Drugs. I

> had Heart

> > > Bypass Surgery 2 yrs ago in the hosp. they tired

> every kind

> > > of Pain med there is for my pain.

> > > >

> > > > After being in a coma 13 weeks I had to be

> opened up 5

> > > x's due to infections and they put me in a coma

> becuse they

> > > could not close me up until the blood thinners

> were out of

> > > my body.

> > > >

> > > > I ended up with a huge bed sore on my back

> side and

> > > needed pain meds for this when I got out of ICU.

> The only

> > > one that worked was a shot I can't remember the

> name. But

> > > they could not let me go home until they found a

> pain med I

> > > could take that agreed with me and it was

> Darvocet.

> > > >

> > > > Here is what I found as to why they pulled

> Darvocet.

> > > >

*http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sc-dc-1120-fda-darvon-20101\

119,0,3731927.story

> > >

> > > >

> > > > =============================

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The FDA's decision, based on data showing a

> risk of

> > > serious heart rhythm abnormalities

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

My wife can't take pain meds she had her knee replaced and the Dr. gave her

Ultram (tramadol hydrochloride)she had no problems on this and no pain.

Now that I know weight bearing exercise like walking make this problem worse. I

don't think I will need the med for long. The supplements Dr.'s have me on are

helping. I start to feel much better with less pain but trying to walk 30 min.s

a day sets me back last Monday I felt great and started walking 2 min's at a

time for 30 min.'s total and the next day I was OK so I kept it up but by Thur.

night I was in bad pain needing to take a pain pill every 8 hrs. with not much

help.

This has been the problem all along even when I got out of the hosp. 2 yrs ago

from Heart bypass surgery I could not walk for long with out having a lot of

pain. Now I know it was from being on them Statin Drugs.

Now when I feel better I am going to try the non weight-bearing exercise of

water aerobics like the Dr. that has this same problem says in his paper.

==================================================

Meanwhile multi-disciplined research teams are working out the details of

mitochondrial repair and maintenance. Some of this new research centers on the

benefit of exercise which stimulates mitochondrial genesis.

This can be very misleading. I can say from experience that regular exercise

such as walking is counterproductive in these cases of statin associated muscle

damage. The exercise merely throws additional work on the remaining intact

muscle fibers causing excess strain and increased pain. This is why only the

very special non weight-bearing exercise of water aerobics has much to offer

here. No pain management program, in my opinion, is complete without it.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: d00fu524 <calvin1564@...>

> Subject: Re: The FDA pulled the only pain med. I can take.

>

> Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 5:01 PM

> Dave, I had never heard of

> Neurontin's/Gabapentin's role as an estrogen agonist. 

> Interesting stuff.

>

> As you mentioned, Phil, feeling funny in the head is a real

> concern with Gaba/Neurontin, as all the people I knew who

> have taken it had this side effect.  Gaba has the

> advantage of being generic now & hence being cheaper

> than many other pain relievers, but the dizziness factor is

> a real concern, especially if someone has difficulty

> walking/is over 60.  Phil, I hardly think of you as

> elderly, but there are other pain relievers (like

> Soma/Carisoprodol) which may cause drowsiness and dizziness

> and are strongly cautioned against in people over 60.

>

> I'm not aware of Ultram's benefits/strength and concerns,

> but I remember Life Extension recommends it post-operatively

> rather than morphine, if possible.  Again, I hope you

> find something that works for you.

>

> ~Xian

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Dr.'s can hand out Statin Drugs like it's

> candy yet

> > > yesterday the FDA pull Darvocet the only pain

> pill I can

> > > take that dose not make me feel sick. Now what

> can I do for

> > > the pain I am in from being on Statin Drugs. I

> had Heart

> > > Bypass Surgery 2 yrs ago in the hosp. they tired

> every kind

> > > of Pain med there is for my pain.

> > > >

> > > > After being in a coma 13 weeks I had to be

> opened up 5

> > > x's due to infections and they put me in a coma

> becuse they

> > > could not close me up until the blood thinners

> were out of

> > > my body.

> > > >

> > > > I ended up with a huge bed sore on my back

> side and

> > > needed pain meds for this when I got out of ICU.

> The only

> > > one that worked was a shot I can't remember the

> name. But

> > > they could not let me go home until they found a

> pain med I

> > > could take that agreed with me and it was

> Darvocet.

> > > >

> > > > Here is what I found as to why they pulled

> Darvocet.

> > > >

*http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sc-dc-1120-fda-darvon-20101\

119,0,3731927.story

> > >

> > > >

> > > > =============================

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The FDA's decision, based on data showing a

> risk of

> > > serious heart rhythm abnormalities

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Have you ever taken Cissus Quadrangularis? USP labs started a product

named " Super Cissus RX " which seems to be the gold standard for Cissus.

Cissus is a Ayurvedic (ancient Indian medicine system) herb that has

been used for 1000's of years and has no known side effects, originally

used to speed the recovery of broken bones but has been found to help

with joints, ligaments, and tendons, and I have had friends with muscle

pains say it helped them out as well. I take a small amount daily now

as a protectant, and have taken larger doses when I have sprains or

joint issues from martial arts. For instance I was taking larger doses

for a couple of weeks after I popped my ankle, my right tibia literally

touched the ground and there was a loud pop sound. I thought for sure

something was broken or ripped but I was ok, it did swell up really bad

and I had to take it easy for a few days, but after a week I was back to

about 80% and was 100% in about 2 weeks. Others I have talked too that

had similar accidents told me it was 4-6wks for them to recover from

theirs.

Cissus is also a mild analgesic, so it can help with pain. There are

tons of anecdotal evidence out there of Cissus helping people with

issues they thought could never be corrected, and usually when it helps

its a permanent fix meaning it does not go away when you stop taking

it. Its worth a shot, you should notice some relief within a couple of

weeks depending on how much you take. I found it from Jujitsu forums

where guys used to pop ibuprofen before every training session to ward

off pain, they found Cissus worked just as well if not better and it

seems like it would be safer to use Cissus then drugs long term.

Just passing the info along.

BR//Matt

On 11/20/2010 4:18 PM, philip georgian wrote:

>

> My wife can't take pain meds she had her knee replaced and the Dr.

> gave her Ultram (tramadol hydrochloride)she had no problems on this

> and no pain.

>

> Now that I know weight bearing exercise like walking make this problem

> worse. I don't think I will need the med for long. The supplements

> Dr.'s have me on are helping. I start to feel much better with less

> pain but trying to walk 30 min.s a day sets me back last Monday I felt

> great and started walking 2 min's at a time for 30 min.'s total and

> the next day I was OK so I kept it up but by Thur. night I was in bad

> pain needing to take a pain pill every 8 hrs. with not much help.

>

> This has been the problem all along even when I got out of the hosp. 2

> yrs ago from Heart bypass surgery I could not walk for long with out

> having a lot of pain. Now I know it was from being on them Statin Drugs.

>

> Now when I feel better I am going to try the non weight-bearing

> exercise of water aerobics like the Dr. that has this same problem

> says in his paper.

> ==================================================

> Meanwhile multi-disciplined research teams are working out the details

> of mitochondrial repair and maintenance. Some of this new research

> centers on the benefit of exercise which stimulates mitochondrial

> genesis.

>

> This can be very misleading. I can say from experience that regular

> exercise such as walking is counterproductive in these cases of statin

> associated muscle damage. The exercise merely throws additional work

> on the remaining intact muscle fibers causing excess strain and

> increased pain. This is why only the very special non weight-bearing

> exercise of water aerobics has much to offer here. No pain management

> program, in my opinion, is complete without it.

>

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

>

> > From: d00fu524 <calvin1564@...

> <mailto:calvin1564%40sbcglobal.net>>

> > Subject: Re: The FDA pulled the only pain med. I can

> take.

> >

> <mailto: %40>

> > Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 5:01 PM

> > Dave, I had never heard of

> > Neurontin's/Gabapentin's role as an estrogen agonist.

> > Interesting stuff.

> >

> > As you mentioned, Phil, feeling funny in the head is a real

> > concern with Gaba/Neurontin, as all the people I knew who

> > have taken it had this side effect. Gaba has the

> > advantage of being generic now & hence being cheaper

> > than many other pain relievers, but the dizziness factor is

> > a real concern, especially if someone has difficulty

> > walking/is over 60. Phil, I hardly think of you as

> > elderly, but there are other pain relievers (like

> > Soma/Carisoprodol) which may cause drowsiness and dizziness

> > and are strongly cautioned against in people over 60.

> >

> > I'm not aware of Ultram's benefits/strength and concerns,

> > but I remember Life Extension recommends it post-operatively

> > rather than morphine, if possible. Again, I hope you

> > find something that works for you.

> >

> > ~Xian

> >

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dr.'s can hand out Statin Drugs like it's

> > candy yet

> > > > yesterday the FDA pull Darvocet the only pain

> > pill I can

> > > > take that dose not make me feel sick. Now what

> > can I do for

> > > > the pain I am in from being on Statin Drugs. I

> > had Heart

> > > > Bypass Surgery 2 yrs ago in the hosp. they tired

> > every kind

> > > > of Pain med there is for my pain.

> > > > >

> > > > > After being in a coma 13 weeks I had to be

> > opened up 5

> > > > x's due to infections and they put me in a coma

> > becuse they

> > > > could not close me up until the blood thinners

> > were out of

> > > > my body.

> > > > >

> > > > > I ended up with a huge bed sore on my back

> > side and

> > > > needed pain meds for this when I got out of ICU.

> > The only

> > > > one that worked was a shot I can't remember the

> > name. But

> > > > they could not let me go home until they found a

> > pain med I

> > > > could take that agreed with me and it was

> > Darvocet.

> > > > >

> > > > > Here is what I found as to why they pulled

> > Darvocet.

> > > > >

>

*http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sc-dc-1120-fda-darvon-20101\

119,0,3731927.story

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > =============================

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The FDA's decision, based on data showing a

> > risk of

> > > > serious heart rhythm abnormalities

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks Matt I will check into this.

Phil

> >

> > > From: d00fu524 <calvin1564@...

>

> > <mailto:calvin1564%40sbcglobal.net>>

> > > Subject: Re: The FDA pulled the

> only pain med. I can

> > take.

> > >

>

> > <mailto: %40>

> > > Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 5:01 PM

> > > Dave, I had never heard of

> > > Neurontin's/Gabapentin's role as an estrogen

> agonist.

> > > Interesting stuff.

> > >

> > > As you mentioned, Phil, feeling funny in the head

> is a real

> > > concern with Gaba/Neurontin, as all the people I

> knew who

> > > have taken it had this side effect.  Gaba

> has the

> > > advantage of being generic now & hence being

> cheaper

> > > than many other pain relievers, but the dizziness

> factor is

> > > a real concern, especially if someone has

> difficulty

> > > walking/is over 60.  Phil, I hardly think of

> you as

> > > elderly, but there are other pain relievers

> (like

> > > Soma/Carisoprodol) which may cause drowsiness and

> dizziness

> > > and are strongly cautioned against in people over

> 60.

> > >

> > > I'm not aware of Ultram's benefits/strength and

> concerns,

> > > but I remember Life Extension recommends it

> post-operatively

> > > rather than morphine, if possible.  Again, I

> hope you

> > > find something that works for you.

> > >

> > > ~Xian

> > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dr.'s can hand out Statin Drugs

> like it's

> > > candy yet

> > > > > yesterday the FDA pull Darvocet the

> only pain

> > > pill I can

> > > > > take that dose not make me feel sick.

> Now what

> > > can I do for

> > > > > the pain I am in from being on Statin

> Drugs. I

> > > had Heart

> > > > > Bypass Surgery 2 yrs ago in the hosp.

> they tired

> > > every kind

> > > > > of Pain med there is for my pain.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > After being in a coma 13 weeks I

> had to be

> > > opened up 5

> > > > > x's due to infections and they put me

> in a coma

> > > becuse they

> > > > > could not close me up until the blood

> thinners

> > > were out of

> > > > > my body.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I ended up with a huge bed sore on

> my back

> > > side and

> > > > > needed pain meds for this when I got

> out of ICU.

> > > The only

> > > > > one that worked was a shot I can't

> remember the

> > > name. But

> > > > > they could not let me go home until

> they found a

> > > pain med I

> > > > > could take that agreed with me and it

> was

> > > Darvocet.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here is what I found as to why

> they pulled

> > > Darvocet.

> > > > > >

> >

*http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sc-dc-1120-fda-darvon-20101\

119,0,3731927.story

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > =============================

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The FDA's decision, based on data

> showing a

> > > risk of

> > > > > serious heart rhythm abnormalities

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Not this pain shot this is why they kept me a week longer in the Hosp. this shot

that worked was not in pill forum.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jbbooks1901 <jbbooks1901@...>

> Subject: Re: The FDA pulled the only pain med. I can take.

>

> Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 2:45 AM

> > The only one that worked was a

> shot I can't remember the name.

>

> well find out the name.

>

> virtually everything that can be given as a shot can be

> swallowed...

>

> though quite frankly I wouldn't " waste " a Dilaudid or

> Morphine etc taking it orally since you only get about 50%

> metabolized.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am going to try Ultram and stop walking for exercise and try water aerobics

like the Dr. talks about in this link.

http://www.spacedoc.net/pain_relief_vital_statin_damaged

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Dave <dcbaden@...>

> Subject: Re: The FDA pulled the only pain med. I can take.

>

> Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 12:35 PM

> Yeah.  Sorry.  It has ED as

> a side effect so I confused it with something that raises

> estrogen.

>

>

> http://epilepsy.emedtv.com/neurontin/neurontin-sexual-side-effects.html

>

>

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > Dr.'s can hand out Statin Drugs like

> it's candy yet

> > > > yesterday the FDA pull Darvocet the only

> pain pill I can

> > > > take that dose not make me feel sick. Now

> what can I do for

> > > > the pain I am in from being on Statin Drugs.

> I had Heart

> > > > Bypass Surgery 2 yrs ago in the hosp. they

> tired every kind

> > > > of Pain med there is for my pain.

> > > > >

> > > > > After being in a coma 13 weeks I had to

> be opened up 5

> > > > x's due to infections and they put me in a

> coma becuse they

> > > > could not close me up until the blood

> thinners were out of

> > > > my body.

> > > > >

> > > > > I ended up with a huge bed sore on my

> back side and

> > > > needed pain meds for this when I got out of

> ICU. The only

> > > > one that worked was a shot I can't remember

> the name. But

> > > > they could not let me go home until they

> found a pain med I

> > > > could take that agreed with me and it was

> Darvocet.

> > > > >

> > > > > Here is what I found as to why they

> pulled Darvocet.

> > > > >

*http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sc-dc-1120-fda-darvon-20101\

119,0,3731927.story

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > =============================

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The FDA's decision, based on data

> showing a risk of

> > > > serious heart rhythm abnormalities

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

No not yet but it's crossed my mind I will see how this new med works for me. At

Dr. 's a lot of guys are on it doing good and some been on it over a yr.

Ultram 50mg 3x's/day A stronger tramadol.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: james <jimevans_2000@...>

> Subject: Re: The FDA pulled the only pain med. I can take.

>

> Date: Monday, November 22, 2010, 3:42 PM

> At the risk of sounding like a

> complete bonehead, have you tried medical cannabis? You

> sound like the perfect candidate. If it were legal in my

> state, my wife would be using it for her chronic pain.

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dr.'s can hand out Statin Drugs

> like it's

> > > candy yet

> > > > > yesterday the FDA pull Darvocet the

> only pain

> > > pill I can

> > > > > take that dose not make me feel sick.

> Now what

> > > can I do for

> > > > > the pain I am in from being on Statin

> Drugs. I

> > > had Heart

> > > > > Bypass Surgery 2 yrs ago in the hosp.

> they tired

> > > every kind

> > > > > of Pain med there is for my pain.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > After being in a coma 13 weeks I

> had to be

> > > opened up 5

> > > > > x's due to infections and they put me

> in a coma

> > > becuse they

> > > > > could not close me up until the blood

> thinners

> > > were out of

> > > > > my body.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I ended up with a huge bed sore on

> my back

> > > side and

> > > > > needed pain meds for this when I got

> out of ICU.

> > > The only

> > > > > one that worked was a shot I can't

> remember the

> > > name. But

> > > > > they could not let me go home until

> they found a

> > > pain med I

> > > > > could take that agreed with me and it

> was

> > > Darvocet.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here is what I found as to why

> they pulled

> > > Darvocet.

> > > > > >

*http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sc-dc-1120-fda-darvon-20101\

119,0,3731927.story

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > =============================

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The FDA's decision, based on data

> showing a

> > > risk of

> > > > > serious heart rhythm abnormalities

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >