ready to tackle sex hormones

[Guest guest]

hi guys,

I posted this on dr. 's forum and also here to get some different opinions.

I have been on my hormonal balancing journey for about 2 years now and have with

my Dr's help and HAN, Phil, and the STTM boards have gotten up to 2.75

grains of Erfa and 30mg Cortef, my temps have just gotten around 98.5 on the dr

rind chart and things have been getting better, now I have other serious issues

to look at.

I am close to getting my temp stable at 98.6 and adrenals supported.

I have added dhea b/c my dhea has been in the shitter even before

starting cortef.

Now that that is getting ok, I have more complex issues to address.

sex issues like 24 hour refractory period,

swinging high crazy obsessive libdo (masturbating, porn, cheating) to no libido

dopamine levels heywire (loveing gf, then pushing away, all over the place)

pain in back and depression after orgasm (temps drop too from 98.5 to 97.9 range

for a day or two)

I know there are possible test issues, high histamine, low methyl,

high prolactin, high/low dopamine and a butt load of other issues AND

I know some of these are psychological and a good theapist would help

too.

My DHEA is still low, I have been taking 5mg a day. I have two bloodwork rx's

that I can write aanything into. I have some older labs if you need more info.

many thanks,

[Guest guest]

Hi good to see you make it here welcome,

I feel the main Problem with this is Estradiol when it goes to high one can get

ED and have a problem reaching an orgasm with a total loss of Libido.

Men on TRT use Arimidex or Indolplex/DIM to keep there Estradiol in the sweet

spot. Younger men will swing from feelings of Hyper sex to a big loss of it.

You did not say if your trying to keep your Estradiol in check if you are you

need to keep a log on what your taking and how your feeling. So you can adjust

your meds for Estradiol to stay leveled younger men have this problem. Most can

control them self's others if very hard. As you swing from to high down to a

lower better levels your sex drive can peak then you go down to low and lose it.

It is a very hard act to balance. Here is what I tell men on Arimidex about

taking it so you don't go to low and this works the same for Indolplex/DIM.

=================================

What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your

to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to

make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on

your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I

went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or

how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low

until my next labs.

The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your

night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you

get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you

can hang a coat on it.

Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to

cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge

razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your

levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day

after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said

>90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time

and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs.

I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the

day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could

not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the

Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex

my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we

went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was

on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low

you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels

back up.

I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after

playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3

days.

So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down

so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with

lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your

lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days.

I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down

from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need

..25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days.

So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this

to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading

back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets

me dose my arimidex by how I feel.

Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: traviscraig@... <traviscraig@...>

> Subject: ready to tackle sex hormones

>

> Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 9:53 AM

> hi guys,

>

> I posted this on dr. 's forum and also here to get some

> different opinions.

>

> I have been on my hormonal balancing journey for about 2

> years now and have with my Dr's help and HAN, Phil, and the

> STTM boards have gotten up to 2.75 grains of Erfa and

> 30mg Cortef, my temps have just gotten around 98.5 on the dr

> rind chart and things have been getting better, now I have

> other serious issues to look at.

>

> I am close to getting my temp stable at 98.6 and adrenals

> supported.

> I have added dhea b/c my dhea has been in the shitter even

> before

> starting cortef.

>

> Now that that is getting ok, I have more complex issues to

> address.

>

> sex issues like 24 hour refractory period,

> swinging high crazy obsessive libdo (masturbating, porn,

> cheating) to no libido

> dopamine levels heywire (loveing gf, then pushing away, all

> over the place)

> pain in back and depression after orgasm (temps drop too

> from 98.5 to 97.9 range for a day or two)

>

> I know there are possible test issues, high histamine, low

> methyl,

> high prolactin, high/low dopamine and a butt load of other

> issues AND

> I know some of these are psychological and a good theapist

> would help

> too.

>

> My DHEA is still low, I have been taking 5mg a day. I have

> two bloodwork rx's that I can write aanything into. I have

> some older labs if you need more info.

>

> many thanks,

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Phil,

Wood hasn't been an issue as much as feelings and getting an almost manic libido

then crashing hard after orgasm, back pain, temps drop for days,

depression...sucks.

My last labs on 2.5 grains erfa and 30mg cortef

Ranges in ( )

TPO AB 12 (0-34)

Antithyroglobulin <20 (0-40)

TSH Ultrasensitive .006 (.45-4.5)

T4 Free 1.40 (.82 - 1.77)

FT3 4.1 (2.0-4.4)

DHEA Sulfate 131.3 (160-449)

Testosterone TOtal 719 (280-800)

Estradiol 28.5 (7.6-42.6)

Progesterone .5 (no range)

LH 5.4 (1.7-8.6)

FSH 2.2 (1.5-12.4)

Cortisol Serum 12.4 (2.3-19.4)

Ferritin 124 (22-322)

Testosterone Free 20.5 (9.3-26.5)

IGF-1 202 (117-329)

IGF-BP3 4.4 (3.5-7.6)

RBC Magnesium 4.5 (4.2-6.8)

RBC Zinc 1165 (1000-1600)

Vit D 68.2 (32-100)

Selenium 271 (100-340)

Compliment C4 24 (9-36)

Pregnenolone 76

>

> > From: traviscraig@... <traviscraig@...>

> > Subject: ready to tackle sex hormones

> >

> > Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 9:53 AM

> > hi guys,

> >

> > I posted this on dr. 's forum and also here to get some

> > different opinions.

> >

> > I have been on my hormonal balancing journey for about 2

> > years now and have with my Dr's help and HAN, Phil, and the

> > STTM boards have gotten up to 2.75 grains of Erfa and

> > 30mg Cortef, my temps have just gotten around 98.5 on the dr

> > rind chart and things have been getting better, now I have

> > other serious issues to look at.

> >

> > I am close to getting my temp stable at 98.6 and adrenals

> > supported.

> > I have added dhea b/c my dhea has been in the shitter even

> > before

> > starting cortef.

> >

> > Now that that is getting ok, I have more complex issues to

> > address.

> >

> > sex issues like 24 hour refractory period,

> > swinging high crazy obsessive libdo (masturbating, porn,

> > cheating) to no libido

> > dopamine levels heywire (loveing gf, then pushing away, all

> > over the place)

> > pain in back and depression after orgasm (temps drop too

> > from 98.5 to 97.9 range for a day or two)

> >

> > I know there are possible test issues, high histamine, low

> > methyl,

> > high prolactin, high/low dopamine and a butt load of other

> > issues AND

> > I know some of these are psychological and a good theapist

> > would help

> > too.

> >

> > My DHEA is still low, I have been taking 5mg a day. I have

> > two bloodwork rx's that I can write aanything into. I have

> > some older labs if you need more info.

> >

> > many thanks,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I am not talking about wood as much as your libido it can swing up and down with

your Estradiol levels your E2 is at 28 for me this is to much but my SHBG is at

about 20. I just started on Growth Hormone and my Thyroid on 4 grains of Armour

went hypo my BP went up and my Heart rate with my avg. temps going from 98.4 to

99.2. I had to cut back to 2.5 grins. How long did it take you to get to your

dose of ERFA. And if you took your morning dose of Cortef your cortisol levels

look great they tell me your not on to much Cortef. I do tell men to gage there

E2 levels by there night time and morning wood but they are leveled off on other

hormones.

As some younger men start on TRT they will get this increase of libido but why

your feeling like this after an orgasm I can't say. There body reacts to the

new levels and going on TRT changes the levels of E2 so they both need to good

most men do better getting there Total and Free Testosterone levels up onto the

upper 1/3 of there labs range and when they keep there E2 levels down to about

20 pg/ml if your SHBG is lower like mine 20 then they do better keeping there E2

lower I keep mine at about 15 pg/ml.

Men have higher levels of Prolactin after an orgasm you might be going way up.

This will make your refractory period take longer. Men going on TRT and

changing dose of meds like Thyroid or Cortef need to give there body time to

adjust to the change this is why it is important to keep leveled and not let

things change to fast. If your getting good wood at night this tells me your E2

levels are in a good place but this wood needs to be the kind you can hang a

coat on very strong and hard.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: traviscraig@... <traviscraig@...>

> Subject: Re: ready to tackle sex hormones

>

> Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 11:43 AM

> Phil,

>

> Wood hasn't been an issue as much as feelings and getting

> an almost manic libido then crashing hard after orgasm, back

> pain, temps drop for days, depression...sucks.

>

> My last labs on 2.5 grains erfa and 30mg cortef

>

> Ranges in ( )

>

> TPO AB 12 (0-34)

>

> Antithyroglobulin <20 (0-40)

>

> TSH Ultrasensitive .006 (.45-4.5)

>

> T4 Free 1.40 (.82 - 1.77)

>

> FT3 4.1 (2.0-4.4)

>

> DHEA Sulfate 131.3 (160-449)

>

> Testosterone TOtal 719 (280-800)

>

> Estradiol 28.5 (7.6-42.6)

>

> Progesterone .5 (no range)

>

> LH 5.4 (1.7-8.6)

>

> FSH 2.2 (1.5-12.4)

>

> Cortisol Serum 12.4 (2.3-19.4)

>

> Ferritin 124 (22-322)

>

> Testosterone Free 20.5 (9.3-26.5)

>

> IGF-1 202 (117-329)

>

> IGF-BP3 4.4 (3.5-7.6)

>

> RBC Magnesium 4.5 (4.2-6.8)

>

> RBC Zinc 1165 (1000-1600)

>

> Vit D 68.2 (32-100)

>

> Selenium 271 (100-340)

>

> Compliment C4 24 (9-36)

>

> Pregnenolone 76

>

>

>

> >

> > > From: traviscraig@... <traviscraig@...>

> > > Subject: ready to tackle sex

> hormones

> > >

> > > Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 9:53 AM

> > > hi guys,

> > >

> > > I posted this on dr. 's forum and also here

> to get some

> > > different opinions.

> > >

> > > I have been on my hormonal balancing journey for

> about 2

> > > years now and have with my Dr's help and HAN,

> Phil, and the

> > > STTM boards have gotten up to 2.75 grains

> of Erfa and

> > > 30mg Cortef, my temps have just gotten around

> 98.5 on the dr

> > > rind chart and things have been getting better,

> now I have

> > > other serious issues to look at.

> > >

> > > I am close to getting my temp stable at 98.6 and

> adrenals

> > > supported.

> > > I have added dhea b/c my dhea has been in the

> shitter even

> > > before

> > > starting cortef.

> > >

> > > Now that that is getting ok, I have more complex

> issues to

> > > address.

> > >

> > > sex issues like 24 hour refractory period,

> > > swinging high crazy obsessive libdo

> (masturbating, porn,

> > > cheating) to no libido

> > > dopamine levels heywire (loveing gf, then pushing

> away, all

> > > over the place)

> > > pain in back and depression after orgasm (temps

> drop too

> > > from 98.5 to 97.9 range for a day or two)

> > >

> > > I know there are possible test issues, high

> histamine, low

> > > methyl,

> > > high prolactin, high/low dopamine and a butt load

> of other

> > > issues AND

> > > I know some of these are psychological and a good

> theapist

> > > would help

> > > too.

> > >

> > > My DHEA is still low, I have been taking 5mg a

> day. I have

> > > two bloodwork rx's that I can write aanything

> into. I have

> > > some older labs if you need more info.

> > >

> > > many thanks,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks for replying PHil,

I was on the 2.5gr erfa for two weeks and my temps on the dr rind chart were

98.2

98.4

98.2

98.3

98.3

98.2

98.3

Nice and stable, so i raised by 1/4 a grain, I took 1 3/4 gra in the am and 1

grain five hours later, the next three days were

98.5

98.4

98.5

Fantastic! I felt like i was getting close to my optimum dosage..... then I had

two late nights in a row (i'm in a band and played some late shows far away) got

poor sleep and then my temps were

98.3

97.9

so far ave 97.6 today

I feel worse than I have in a long time, lower back pains, suicidal thoughts,

weepyness, can't fall asleep, just like i'm back to square one.

On those labs, I didnt take my cortef that morning before the draw, what does

that indicate?

Im not on TRT and dont think id need it based on these labs, but I am wondering.

THe wood I'm getting isn't super hard, not coat hanging! So e2 could be a litle

high. My concerns are how I get ocd and sex-obsessed for a while, want to ditch

my girl and go sleep with as many girls as I can, then if I do have sex or

masturbate I just feel like shit. I cry and back hurts and just weird. My

refractory period has been nil for quite some time.

To me I just have a gut feeling on these issues...

1. My dhea is total shit....was even before cortef, im on 5mg a day now, will

retest

2. e2 has to be looked at agian for sure

3. prolactin - bc of post orgasm crash, pulling away from a good relationship,

no returning wood after sex

4. under methylation / high histamine - I can't get a straight answer on this

one....I know i'm under methylated, look at the high histamine section of this

page http://www.healthrecovery.com/HRC_2006/Depression_06/D_roller_coaster.htm

it describes me perfectly (even the point about having zero cavities!)

Sorry I'm throwing a ton of stuff at you, i'm just overwhelemed b/c 4 days ago i

was getting close to 98.6 and feeling alright, and then BOOM...disaster.

> > >

> > > > From: traviscraig@ <traviscraig@>

> > > > Subject: ready to tackle sex

> > hormones

> > > >

> > > > Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 9:53 AM

> > > > hi guys,

> > > >

> > > > I posted this on dr. 's forum and also here

> > to get some

> > > > different opinions.

> > > >

> > > > I have been on my hormonal balancing journey for

> > about 2

> > > > years now and have with my Dr's help and HAN,

> > Phil, and the

> > > > STTM boards have gotten up to 2.75 grains

> > of Erfa and

> > > > 30mg Cortef, my temps have just gotten around

> > 98.5 on the dr

> > > > rind chart and things have been getting better,

> > now I have

> > > > other serious issues to look at.

> > > >

> > > > I am close to getting my temp stable at 98.6 and

> > adrenals

> > > > supported.

> > > > I have added dhea b/c my dhea has been in the

> > shitter even

> > > > before

> > > > starting cortef.

> > > >

> > > > Now that that is getting ok, I have more complex

> > issues to

> > > > address.

> > > >

> > > > sex issues like 24 hour refractory period,

> > > > swinging high crazy obsessive libdo

> > (masturbating, porn,

> > > > cheating) to no libido

> > > > dopamine levels heywire (loveing gf, then pushing

> > away, all

> > > > over the place)

> > > > pain in back and depression after orgasm (temps

> > drop too

> > > > from 98.5 to 97.9 range for a day or two)

> > > >

> > > > I know there are possible test issues, high

> > histamine, low

> > > > methyl,

> > > > high prolactin, high/low dopamine and a butt load

> > of other

> > > > issues AND

> > > > I know some of these are psychological and a good

> > theapist

> > > > would help

> > > > too.

> > > >

> > > > My DHEA is still low, I have been taking 5mg a

> > day. I have

> > > > two bloodwork rx's that I can write aanything

> > into. I have

> > > > some older labs if you need more info.

> > > >

> > > > many thanks,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

That's OK through all you can at me I feel you went up to fast on your Thyroid

when your at 2 grains you need to hold this for 8 weeks do labs then if your not

feeling better go up 15 to 30 mgs most people that have adrenal problems only

need to go up 15 mgs at at time. But even when you try a different brand like

going on Erfa you need to go up slow. I feel you went up to fast and some say

Erfa is stronger then the old Armour was try backing off you dose 30 mgs see if

you feel better.

If you read my sticky how I got started treating my Adrenals and Thyroid you

will see how slow I went up and you need to do the same when you change to a new

med.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=24 & sid=2fe4e37bd6ad7fd7db4\

0a7031b8ee658

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: traviscraig@... <traviscraig@...>

> Subject: Re: ready to tackle sex hormones

>

> Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 1:24 PM

> Thanks for replying PHil,

>

> I was on the 2.5gr erfa for two weeks and my temps on the

> dr rind chart were

>

> 98.2

> 98.4

> 98.2

> 98.3

> 98.3

> 98.2

> 98.3

>

> Nice and stable, so i raised by 1/4 a grain, I took 1 3/4

> gra in the am and 1 grain five hours later, the next three

> days were

>

> 98.5

> 98.4

> 98.5

>

> Fantastic! I felt like i was getting close to my optimum

> dosage..... then I had two late nights in a row (i'm in a

> band and played some late shows far away) got poor sleep and

> then my temps were

>

> 98.3

> 97.9

> so far ave 97.6 today

>

> I feel worse than I have in a long time, lower back pains,

> suicidal thoughts, weepyness, can't fall asleep, just like

> i'm back to square one.

>

> On those labs, I didnt take my cortef that morning before

> the draw, what does that indicate?

>

> Im not on TRT and dont think id need it based on these

> labs, but I am wondering.

>

> THe wood I'm getting isn't super hard, not coat

> hanging!  So e2 could be a litle high.  My

> concerns are how I get ocd and sex-obsessed for a while,

> want to ditch my girl and go sleep with as many girls as I

> can, then if I do have sex or masturbate I just feel like

> shit.  I cry and back hurts and just weird.  My

> refractory period has been nil for quite some time.

>

> To me I just have a gut feeling on these issues...

>

> 1. My dhea is total shit....was even before cortef, im on

> 5mg a day now, will retest

> 2. e2 has to be looked at agian for sure

> 3. prolactin - bc of post orgasm crash, pulling away from a

> good relationship, no returning wood after sex

> 4.  under methylation / high histamine - I can't get a

> straight answer on this one....I know i'm under methylated,

> look at the high histamine section of this page

http://www.healthrecovery.com/HRC_2006/Depression_06/D_roller_coaster.htm

> it describes me perfectly (even the point about having zero

> cavities!)

>

> Sorry I'm throwing a ton of stuff at you, i'm just

> overwhelemed b/c 4 days ago i was getting close to 98.6 and

> feeling alright, and then BOOM...disaster.

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: traviscraig@

> <traviscraig@>

> > > > > Subject: ready to tackle

> sex

> > > hormones

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 9:53

> AM

> > > > > hi guys,

> > > > >

> > > > > I posted this on dr. 's forum and

> also here

> > > to get some

> > > > > different opinions.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have been on my hormonal balancing

> journey for

> > > about 2

> > > > > years now and have with my Dr's help

> and HAN,

> > > Phil, and the

> > > > > STTM boards have gotten up to

> 2.75 grains

> > > of Erfa and

> > > > > 30mg Cortef, my temps have just gotten

> around

> > > 98.5 on the dr

> > > > > rind chart and things have been getting

> better,

> > > now I have

> > > > > other serious issues to look at.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am close to getting my temp stable at

> 98.6 and

> > > adrenals

> > > > > supported.

> > > > > I have added dhea b/c my dhea has been

> in the

> > > shitter even

> > > > > before

> > > > > starting cortef.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now that that is getting ok, I have

> more complex

> > > issues to

> > > > > address.

> > > > >

> > > > > sex issues like 24 hour refractory

> period,

> > > > > swinging high crazy obsessive libdo

> > > (masturbating, porn,

> > > > > cheating) to no libido

> > > > > dopamine levels heywire (loveing gf,

> then pushing

> > > away, all

> > > > > over the place)

> > > > > pain in back and depression after

> orgasm (temps

> > > drop too

> > > > > from 98.5 to 97.9 range for a day or

> two)

> > > > >

> > > > > I know there are possible test issues,

> high

> > > histamine, low

> > > > > methyl,

> > > > > high prolactin, high/low dopamine and a

> butt load

> > > of other

> > > > > issues AND

> > > > > I know some of these are psychological

> and a good

> > > theapist

> > > > > would help

> > > > > too.

> > > > >

> > > > > My DHEA is still low, I have been

> taking 5mg a

> > > day. I have

> > > > > two bloodwork rx's that I can write

> aanything

> > > into. I have

> > > > > some older labs if you need more info.

> > > > >

> > > > > many thanks,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

You just have to balance out the entire body including hormones

Hormones are but only 1/3 of a puzzle to healing, lifestyles, and nutritoin are

50% and other remaining is genetics

>

> hi guys,

>

> I posted this on dr. 's forum and also here to get some different

opinions.

>

> I have been on my hormonal balancing journey for about 2 years now and have

with my Dr's help and HAN, Phil, and the STTM boards have gotten up to

2.75 grains of Erfa and 30mg Cortef, my temps have just gotten around 98.5 on

the dr rind chart and things have been getting better, now I have other serious

issues to look at.

>

> I am close to getting my temp stable at 98.6 and adrenals supported.

> I have added dhea b/c my dhea has been in the shitter even before

> starting cortef.

>

> Now that that is getting ok, I have more complex issues to address.

>

> sex issues like 24 hour refractory period,

> swinging high crazy obsessive libdo (masturbating, porn, cheating) to no

libido

> dopamine levels heywire (loveing gf, then pushing away, all over the place)

> pain in back and depression after orgasm (temps drop too from 98.5 to 97.9

range for a day or two)

>

> I know there are possible test issues, high histamine, low methyl,

> high prolactin, high/low dopamine and a butt load of other issues AND

> I know some of these are psychological and a good theapist would help

> too.

>

> My DHEA is still low, I have been taking 5mg a day. I have two bloodwork rx's

that I can write aanything into. I have some older labs if you need more info.

>

> many thanks,

>

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