Re: Just got back from drawing new blood!

[Guest guest]

I can't tell you what to do but if I were you I would give blood this will bring

down your levels and you would not need to worry about it.

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Phil

> From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

> Subject: Just got back from drawing new blood!

>

> Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 5:33 PM

> I went to this private clinic, it was

> my father's treat (almost $200 for a 5 minute chat with a

> doc and a small blood sample), and I got these results at 10

> pm, in the evening:

> Hemoglobine 18.3* (13.4 - 17.0) This is actually even

> higher than it was yesterday morning. I did drink 2000 ml

> plus water today, not so much sea salt.Hematocrite 56.1* (40

> - 50) This is also higher than it was at GP's office

> yesterday.RBC 5.99 (I don't have a range but it's too

> high!)WBC 10.4 (no range, but too high!)Platelets 288 (no

> range, but this is within range at least!)CRP 1.0 (no range,

> but this is good!)

> They ran the full cell count and check, and the rest of the

> values, MCV etc. came out within range! No point typing them

> in here.

> So, no Iron yesterday, no Testosterone gel today, and still

> it doesn't look too good. BUT at least they drew 3 vials of

> blood (10 ml total at least) - Which is not much but it's

> something! The nuse even went like " Ah you have too much

> blood? I'll do a couple of extra vials then! " which was nice

> of her!

> The conclusion was: The doc at the private clinic told me

> my GP was a little off when he said I could get a stroke

> from having these values. And I have not had these high

> values for more than 1 week. He said in his opinion, there

> are no indications that I can get a stroke right now. He

> said that GP was plain WRONG in informing me on a FRIDAY

> that I could get a stroke, then telling me I could be put in

> a hospital on MONDAY, which leaves me " scared " through the

> weekend. Bad tactics, he said. He did say I needed to talk

> to Hertoghe's clinic on Tuesday, and keep working with my GP

> on Monday, for whatever checks GP decides to run. He also

> said I needed to kick my GP's ass a little for what he told

> me yesterday, about the stroke etc. NOW, my GP did talk to a

> Hematologist, who told me GP I could get a stroke, so... I

> don't know... Should I trust the GP/Hematologist (blood

> specialist) or this private doc guy from tonight telling me

> I am ok and won't die this

> weekend?

> What's your feedback on this guys?

>

>

>

>      

>

>

[Guest guest]

, a stroke isn't something you should worry about.A high HCT doesn't mean

your blood will clot any faster or you will throw a clot.The blood is more

viscous and the heart has to work harder pumping it.Someone with mild heart

failure could progress in their disease.Giving blood every 60-90 days will take

care of the problem.Average man has about 5500 ml of blood.So drawing off 1 unit

is roughly 10%.Will drop your hct to upper limits of normal.Red cross will love

you. Phil

>

> I went to this private clinic, it was my father's treat (almost $200 for a 5

minute chat with a doc and a small blood sample), and I got these results at 10

pm, in the evening:

> Hemoglobine 18.3* (13.4 - 17.0) This is actually even higher than it was

yesterday morning. I did drink 2000 ml plus water today, not so much sea

salt.Hematocrite 56.1* (40 - 50) This is also higher than it was at GP's office

yesterday.RBC 5.99 (I don't have a range but it's too high!)WBC 10.4 (no range,

but too high!)Platelets 288 (no range, but this is within range at least!)CRP

1.0 (no range, but this is good!)

> They ran the full cell count and check, and the rest of the values, MCV etc.

came out within range! No point typing them in here.

> So, no Iron yesterday, no Testosterone gel today, and still it doesn't look

too good. BUT at least they drew 3 vials of blood (10 ml total at least) - Which

is not much but it's something! The nuse even went like " Ah you have too much

blood? I'll do a couple of extra vials then! " which was nice of her!

> The conclusion was: The doc at the private clinic told me my GP was a little

off when he said I could get a stroke from having these values. And I have not

had these high values for more than 1 week. He said in his opinion, there are no

indications that I can get a stroke right now. He said that GP was plain WRONG

in informing me on a FRIDAY that I could get a stroke, then telling me I could

be put in a hospital on MONDAY, which leaves me " scared " through the weekend.

Bad tactics, he said. He did say I needed to talk to Hertoghe's clinic on

Tuesday, and keep working with my GP on Monday, for whatever checks GP decides

to run. He also said I needed to kick my GP's ass a little for what he told me

yesterday, about the stroke etc. NOW, my GP did talk to a Hematologist, who told

me GP I could get a stroke, so... I don't know... Should I trust the

GP/Hematologist (blood specialist) or this private doc guy from tonight telling

me I am ok and won't die this

> weekend?

> What's your feedback on this guys?

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

When I was on the AG patch my red blood cells were so thick that the blood would

not flow through my smaller veins & capillaries. I had constant headaches &

muscle aches. I went to the emergency room & they said I was near a stroke

situation. They took the largest blood draw needles they had & started drawing

blood with a syringe. They would shoot it into a jar. It would cling to the

side of the jar in strings, not flow to the bottom.

They sent me to a heart doctor & he had the nurse draw more blood by syringe.

The each week they would drain a pint of blood for 4 weeks.

Now I donate a pint every two months.

Yes high red blood cell count is dangerous.

I lost a lot of brain cells during that time.

> >

> > I went to this private clinic, it was my father's treat (almost $200 for a 5

minute chat with a doc and a small blood sample), and I got these results at 10

pm, in the evening:

> > Hemoglobine 18.3* (13.4 - 17.0) This is actually even higher than it was

yesterday morning. I did drink 2000 ml plus water today, not so much sea

salt.Hematocrite 56.1* (40 - 50) This is also higher than it was at GP's office

yesterday.RBC 5.99 (I don't have a range but it's too high!)WBC 10.4 (no range,

but too high!)Platelets 288 (no range, but this is within range at least!)CRP

1.0 (no range, but this is good!)

> > They ran the full cell count and check, and the rest of the values, MCV etc.

came out within range! No point typing them in here.

> > So, no Iron yesterday, no Testosterone gel today, and still it doesn't look

too good. BUT at least they drew 3 vials of blood (10 ml total at least) - Which

is not much but it's something! The nuse even went like " Ah you have too much

blood? I'll do a couple of extra vials then! " which was nice of her!

> > The conclusion was: The doc at the private clinic told me my GP was a little

off when he said I could get a stroke from having these values. And I have not

had these high values for more than 1 week. He said in his opinion, there are no

indications that I can get a stroke right now. He said that GP was plain WRONG

in informing me on a FRIDAY that I could get a stroke, then telling me I could

be put in a hospital on MONDAY, which leaves me " scared " through the weekend.

Bad tactics, he said. He did say I needed to talk to Hertoghe's clinic on

Tuesday, and keep working with my GP on Monday, for whatever checks GP decides

to run. He also said I needed to kick my GP's ass a little for what he told me

yesterday, about the stroke etc. NOW, my GP did talk to a Hematologist, who told

me GP I could get a stroke, so... I don't know... Should I trust the

GP/Hematologist (blood specialist) or this private doc guy from tonight telling

me I am ok and won't die this

> > weekend?

> > What's your feedback on this guys?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi

I am no doctor but this is what I did ,had same problem

Told me there is really nothing they can do but to

bleed you every 6 weeks at the blood donating bank and half the amount of your

dose of testosterone shots you do per week.

if you do 100 mg per week try 50 mg per week.

about 4 percent of people doing TRT get this condition of high red blood cell

count.

Hematocrit should be below 50 percent and hemoglobin below 17

After donating blood for say 6 months, check your blood ferretin

levels ,that is the amount of iron that get stored in your body as

donating blood can deplete that.

So you give blood to keep the red cells down but at the downside ,

your iron stored in the body runs low over time

> > >

> > > I went to this private clinic, it was my father's treat (almost $200 for a

5 minute chat with a doc and a small blood sample), and I got these results at

10 pm, in the evening:

> > > Hemoglobine 18.3* (13.4 - 17.0) This is actually even higher than it was

yesterday morning. I did drink 2000 ml plus water today, not so much sea

salt.Hematocrite 56.1* (40 - 50) This is also higher than it was at GP's office

yesterday.RBC 5.99 (I don't have a range but it's too high!)WBC 10.4 (no range,

but too high!)Platelets 288 (no range, but this is within range at least!)CRP

1.0 (no range, but this is good!)

> > > They ran the full cell count and check, and the rest of the values, MCV

etc. came out within range! No point typing them in here.

> > > So, no Iron yesterday, no Testosterone gel today, and still it doesn't

look too good. BUT at least they drew 3 vials of blood (10 ml total at least) -

Which is not much but it's something! The nuse even went like " Ah you have too

much blood? I'll do a couple of extra vials then! " which was nice of her!

> > > The conclusion was: The doc at the private clinic told me my GP was a

little off when he said I could get a stroke from having these values. And I

have not had these high values for more than 1 week. He said in his opinion,

there are no indications that I can get a stroke right now. He said that GP was

plain WRONG in informing me on a FRIDAY that I could get a stroke, then telling

me I could be put in a hospital on MONDAY, which leaves me " scared " through the

weekend. Bad tactics, he said. He did say I needed to talk to Hertoghe's clinic

on Tuesday, and keep working with my GP on Monday, for whatever checks GP

decides to run. He also said I needed to kick my GP's ass a little for what he

told me yesterday, about the stroke etc. NOW, my GP did talk to a Hematologist,

who told me GP I could get a stroke, so... I don't know... Should I trust the

GP/Hematologist (blood specialist) or this private doc guy from tonight telling

me I am ok and won't die this

> > > weekend?

> > > What's your feedback on this guys?

> > >

> > >

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> > >

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