Guest guest Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 Hi mjbearit and Welcome, If you could post them labs with the ranges and units we could help you here. High levels of SHBG bind up Free T so your levels will be low. SHBG goes high from high Estradiol levels. The range for Total Testosterone at Quest labs is 250 to 1100 if your below 400 you can have a problem with levels being to low. Here is a link to what labs mean and what is the best area in the range. http://www.lef.org/protocols/appendix/blood_testing_01.htm If your labs show you need Testosterone meds don't go on them until you know why your low. You can read about this at Dr. 's site www.allthingsmale.com read TRT: A Recipe for Success in this are labs you need and why find out why your low before going on T meds or you will not be able to find out. Most of the time men feel like your feeling due to high levels of Estradiol E2 have this tested to high a level will kill your sex life and make you feel like crap even lower your Testosterone levels. http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174 http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html Co-Moderator Phil > From: mjbearit <mjbearit@...> > Subject: Unfamiliar territory > > Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 7:08 PM > Long story short, I've felt like crap > for a couple years now. Sex is not even of interest > and isn't happening when I " give in " . Memory is shot, > sleep after every meal regardless of diet (I can stay awake, > but it is a monumental task!), cannot focus, sleep sucks, > I'm an empotional wreck and the list goes on. A couple > of weeks ago I noticed that my left testicle, which has > always been my big one, has gone from slightly smaller than > a golfball to half that size. It is now the size of a > marble. I contacted the doc and told him I wanted > tests run. I am however very confused by the sheer > number of various numbers out there and nothing that really > explains everything. The doc had the labs do both > urine and blood and I ended up with Albumin, Microalbumin UR > QN, total testosterone, SHBG, Total Protein, Globulin, > Creatine urine, Microalbumin/Creatine. The total test > is withing the labs " normal " range, which I relize does not > mean anything, and I found a calculator to get the Free > Testosterone and BioAvailable Testosterone. The > problem is there is too much data (at least in my current > state of mind) that I can't find what all these numbers mean > when put together. Those tests just posted on Saturday > (today) so I don't expect to hear from my doc until Monday > or later in the week. However, I like to have my own > external sources so I can understand or call " FOUL " if > warranted. Can someone point me to a website that has > a more complete picture with numbers and what they mean and > how they interact? As an example, my Creatine level > has gone from 120something to 58 over the past 2 years, but > what does that mean? How does that play into this > whole thing? And my total test may be within > acceptable but my SBGH is well over the labs limits. > How does that play? And I find no reference to what > " Normal " is for Free Test! I know I'm probably making > myself crazy over this, but I figure some of the folks here > may be able to point me to a good information source. > Disclaimer, I know nobody here is a doctor (probably) and I > know to see my physician, etc. I'm just trying to > educate myself. If I don't learn about my health and > trust the doctors, I deserve whatever outcome I get! > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 Hey Phil, thanks! Felling better today! Got the motorcycle out of the garage and burned through a tank of gas. Amazing how that can get your head screwed on straight! Labs are as follows: Test Value Lab range TESTOSTERONE, TOTAL 327 280-800 SHBG 54.8 14.5-48.4 Tot Protein 7.5 6.0-8.0 Albumin 4.3 3.3-4.8 Globulin 3.2 1.2-4.7 MiccroAlb, UR, QN, <3.0 <20.0 Creatine, Urine 58.5 Not Established MicroAlb/Creatine <5.1 <30.0 ug/mgCREAT Now I found an online calculator for the free/Bioavail and it works out as follows: Free Test 4.64 = 1.42% BioAvailable Test 109 = 33.3% Please be aware that this is off the labsheets on line. If the lab is wrong or something, well, I don't know. Personally I don't know how the tot Test could be normal from 280-800, from what I have read, but maybe it has something to do with the way they run their tests? Oh, yeah the usual other info as well, 49 YO for another couple months, Insulin Resistant (not diabetic yet!), overweight (big surprise there!), HBP, borderline on the lipid stuff. Obviously at my age I couldn't care less about fertility (I think 5 kids is enough anyway!), but I know it bothers my wife that sex is...well...you know! It's funny because all the oddball symptoms I just chalked up to stress at work and getting a " bit older " (God I hate that term!) as I keep getting reminded by everyone and his dog! It wasn't until I found my nut was not so slowly disappearing that I started thinking that maybe there is an underlaying theme here! Any comments/suggestions are more than welcome! Mike > > > From: mjbearit <mjbearit@...> > > Subject: Unfamiliar territory > > > > Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 7:08 PM > > Long story short, I've felt like crap > > for a couple years now. Sex is not even of interest > > and isn't happening when I " give in " . Memory is shot, > > sleep after every meal regardless of diet (I can stay awake, > > but it is a monumental task!), cannot focus, sleep sucks, > > I'm an empotional wreck and the list goes on. A couple > > of weeks ago I noticed that my left testicle, which has > > always been my big one, has gone from slightly smaller than > > a golfball to half that size. It is now the size of a > > marble. I contacted the doc and told him I wanted > > tests run. I am however very confused by the sheer > > number of various numbers out there and nothing that really > > explains everything. The doc had the labs do both > > urine and blood and I ended up with Albumin, Microalbumin UR > > QN, total testosterone, SHBG, Total Protein, Globulin, > > Creatine urine, Microalbumin/Creatine. The total test > > is withing the labs " normal " range, which I relize does not > > mean anything, and I found a calculator to get the Free > > Testosterone and BioAvailable Testosterone. The > > problem is there is too much data (at least in my current > > state of mind) that I can't find what all these numbers mean > > when put together. Those tests just posted on Saturday > > (today) so I don't expect to hear from my doc until Monday > > or later in the week. However, I like to have my own > > external sources so I can understand or call " FOUL " if > > warranted. Can someone point me to a website that has > > a more complete picture with numbers and what they mean and > > how they interact? As an example, my Creatine level > > has gone from 120something to 58 over the past 2 years, but > > what does that mean? How does that play into this > > whole thing? And my total test may be within > > acceptable but my SBGH is well over the labs limits. > > How does that play? And I find no reference to what > > " Normal " is for Free Test! I know I'm probably making > > myself crazy over this, but I figure some of the folks here > > may be able to point me to a good information source. > > Disclaimer, I know nobody here is a doctor (probably) and I > > know to see my physician, etc. I'm just trying to > > educate myself. If I don't learn about my health and > > trust the doctors, I deserve whatever outcome I get! > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 Now to see what is going on you need your Estradiol levels checked with your LH and FSH. If your Estradiol is good at about 20 and your LH and FSH are low it can mean your Pituitay is not working right LH and FSH is he message sent to your testis that tells them to make T. If your Estradiol levels are high with a low LH and FSH this means your Estraidol is making your T levels low and getting then down your TT levels can go up some 200 to 300 Points and you would not need TRT. In men the brain sees Estradiol as Testosterone and when Estradiol is very high it thinks it's T and slows down sending the LH and FSH messages. http://www.medibolics.com/ArimidexBoostsTestosterone.htm http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174 Co-Moderator Phil > From: mjbearit <mjbearit@...> > Subject: Re: Unfamiliar territory > > Date: Sunday, August 15, 2010, 4:06 PM > Hey Phil, thanks! Felling > better today! Got the motorcycle out of the garage and > burned through a tank of gas. Amazing how that can get > your head screwed on straight! > Labs are as follows: > Test > Value Lab range > TESTOSTERONE, TOTAL 327 > 280-800 > SHBG > 54.8 14.5-48.4 > Tot Protein 7.5 > 6.0-8.0 > Albumin > 4.3 > 3.3-4.8 > Globulin > 3.2 > 1.2-4.7 > MiccroAlb, UR, QN, <3.0 > <20.0 > Creatine, Urine 58.5 > Not Established > MicroAlb/Creatine <5.1 > <30.0 ug/mgCREAT > > Now I found an online calculator for the free/Bioavail and > it works out as follows: > Free Test 4.64 = > 1.42% > BioAvailable Test 109 = 33.3% > > Please be aware that this is off the labsheets on > line. If the lab is wrong or something, well, I don't > know. Personally I don't know how the tot Test could > be normal from 280-800, from what I have read, but maybe it > has something to do with the way they run their tests? > > Oh, yeah the usual other info as well, 49 YO for another > couple months, Insulin Resistant (not diabetic yet!), > overweight (big surprise there!), HBP, borderline on the > lipid stuff. Obviously at my age I couldn't care less > about fertility (I think 5 kids is enough anyway!), but I > know it bothers my wife that sex is...well...you know! > It's funny because all the oddball symptoms I just chalked > up to stress at work and getting a " bit older " (God I hate > that term!) as I keep getting reminded by everyone and his > dog! It wasn't until I found my nut was not so slowly > disappearing that I started thinking that maybe there is an > underlaying theme here! > Any comments/suggestions are more than welcome! > Mike > > > > > > > From: mjbearit <mjbearit@...> > > > Subject: Unfamiliar territory > > > > > > Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 7:08 PM > > > Long story short, I've felt like crap > > > for a couple years now. Sex is not even of > interest > > > and isn't happening when I " give in " . Memory is > shot, > > > sleep after every meal regardless of diet (I can > stay awake, > > > but it is a monumental task!), cannot focus, > sleep sucks, > > > I'm an empotional wreck and the list goes on. A > couple > > > of weeks ago I noticed that my left testicle, > which has > > > always been my big one, has gone from slightly > smaller than > > > a golfball to half that size. It is now the > size of a > > > marble. I contacted the doc and told him I > wanted > > > tests run. I am however very confused by the > sheer > > > number of various numbers out there and nothing > that really > > > explains everything. The doc had the labs do > both > > > urine and blood and I ended up with Albumin, > Microalbumin UR > > > QN, total testosterone, SHBG, Total Protein, > Globulin, > > > Creatine urine, Microalbumin/Creatine. The > total test > > > is withing the labs " normal " range, which I > relize does not > > > mean anything, and I found a calculator to get > the Free > > > Testosterone and BioAvailable Testosterone. > The > > > problem is there is too much data (at least in my > current > > > state of mind) that I can't find what all these > numbers mean > > > when put together. Those tests just posted on > Saturday > > > (today) so I don't expect to hear from my doc > until Monday > > > or later in the week. However, I like to have > my own > > > external sources so I can understand or call > " FOUL " if > > > warranted. Can someone point me to a website > that has > > > a more complete picture with numbers and what > they mean and > > > how they interact? As an example, my Creatine > level > > > has gone from 120something to 58 over the past 2 > years, but > > > what does that mean? How does that play into > this > > > whole thing? And my total test may be within > > > acceptable but my SBGH is well over the labs > limits. > > > How does that play? And I find no reference to > what > > > " Normal " is for Free Test! I know I'm probably > making > > > myself crazy over this, but I figure some of the > folks here > > > may be able to point me to a good information > source. > > > Disclaimer, I know nobody here is a doctor > (probably) and I > > > know to see my physician, etc. I'm just trying > to > > > educate myself. If I don't learn about my > health and > > > trust the doctors, I deserve whatever outcome I > get! > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 Thanks for the link. Went and took a look. Wow! That's a lot of tests they have listed! From the look of it though it does appear somewhat low. I'm sure that combined with all the 2 years of high stress at work it is just doing a number on my bod. Of course if you mention stress the docs want to prescribe something to mask the problem, so not going down that road. I like to be able to use my brain! I'll go over the results with the doc and see what he says. I do have an HMO so sometimes you have to get kind of agressive to get them to do the right thing. If he doesn't come up with the right answers (tests for FSH and Estro levels, etc.) I will ask for a ref to an Endo. & Uro. I've learned that you get excellent service from this HMO once you cut through the BS and get the wheel turning. Since I've been with them for 20 some years, I've learned how to light a fire under them! Have a great weekend and thanks for all your help. Mike > > > From: mjbearit <mjbearit@...> > > Subject: Unfamiliar territory > > > > Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 7:08 PM > > Long story short, I've felt like crap > > for a couple years now. Sex is not even of interest > > and isn't happening when I " give in " . Memory is shot, > > sleep after every meal regardless of diet (I can stay awake, > > but it is a monumental task!), cannot focus, sleep sucks, > > I'm an empotional wreck and the list goes on. A couple > > of weeks ago I noticed that my left testicle, which has > > always been my big one, has gone from slightly smaller than > > a golfball to half that size. It is now the size of a > > marble. I contacted the doc and told him I wanted > > tests run. I am however very confused by the sheer > > number of various numbers out there and nothing that really > > explains everything. The doc had the labs do both > > urine and blood and I ended up with Albumin, Microalbumin UR > > QN, total testosterone, SHBG, Total Protein, Globulin, > > Creatine urine, Microalbumin/Creatine. The total test > > is withing the labs " normal " range, which I relize does not > > mean anything, and I found a calculator to get the Free > > Testosterone and BioAvailable Testosterone. The > > problem is there is too much data (at least in my current > > state of mind) that I can't find what all these numbers mean > > when put together. Those tests just posted on Saturday > > (today) so I don't expect to hear from my doc until Monday > > or later in the week. However, I like to have my own > > external sources so I can understand or call " FOUL " if > > warranted. Can someone point me to a website that has > > a more complete picture with numbers and what they mean and > > how they interact? As an example, my Creatine level > > has gone from 120something to 58 over the past 2 years, but > > what does that mean? How does that play into this > > whole thing? And my total test may be within > > acceptable but my SBGH is well over the labs limits. > > How does that play? And I find no reference to what > > " Normal " is for Free Test! I know I'm probably making > > myself crazy over this, but I figure some of the folks here > > may be able to point me to a good information source. > > Disclaimer, I know nobody here is a doctor (probably) and I > > know to see my physician, etc. I'm just trying to > > educate myself. If I don't learn about my health and > > trust the doctors, I deserve whatever outcome I get! > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 If TRT pushes E2 up, will E2 fall back to normal if TRT is stopped? Sendt fra min iPhone Den 15. aug. 2010 kl. 22.21 skrev philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>: Now to see what is going on you need your Estradiol levels checked with your LH and FSH. If your Estradiol is good at about 20 and your LH and FSH are low it can mean your Pituitay is not working right LH and FSH is he message sent to your testis that tells them to make T. If your Estradiol levels are high with a low LH and FSH this means your Estraidol is making your T levels low and getting then down your TT levels can go up some 200 to 300 Points and you would not need TRT. In men the brain sees Estradiol as Testosterone and when Estradiol is very high it thinks it's T and slows down sending the LH and FSH messages. http://www.medibolics.com/ArimidexBoostsTestosterone.htm http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174 Co-Moderator Phil > From: mjbearit <mjbearit@...> > Subject: Re: Unfamiliar territory > > Date: Sunday, August 15, 2010, 4:06 PM > Hey Phil, thanks! Felling > better today! Got the motorcycle out of the garage and > burned through a tank of gas. Amazing how that can get > your head screwed on straight! > Labs are as follows: > Test > Value Lab range > TESTOSTERONE, TOTAL 327 > 280-800 > SHBG > 54.8 14.5-48.4 > Tot Protein 7.5 > 6.0-8.0 > Albumin > 4.3 > 3.3-4.8 > Globulin > 3.2 > 1.2-4.7 > MiccroAlb, UR, QN, <3.0 > <20.0 > Creatine, Urine 58.5 > Not Established > MicroAlb/Creatine <5.1 > <30.0 ug/mgCREAT > > Now I found an online calculator for the free/Bioavail and > it works out as follows: > Free Test 4.64 = > 1.42% > BioAvailable Test 109 = 33.3% > > Please be aware that this is off the labsheets on > line. If the lab is wrong or something, well, I don't > know. Personally I don't know how the tot Test could > be normal from 280-800, from what I have read, but maybe it > has something to do with the way they run their tests? > > Oh, yeah the usual other info as well, 49 YO for another > couple months, Insulin Resistant (not diabetic yet!), > overweight (big surprise there!), HBP, borderline on the > lipid stuff. Obviously at my age I couldn't care less > about fertility (I think 5 kids is enough anyway!), but I > know it bothers my wife that sex is...well...you know! > It's funny because all the oddball symptoms I just chalked > up to stress at work and getting a " bit older " (God I hate > that term!) as I keep getting reminded by everyone and his > dog! It wasn't until I found my nut was not so slowly > disappearing that I started thinking that maybe there is an > underlaying theme here! > Any comments/suggestions are more than welcome! > Mike > > > > > > > From: mjbearit <mjbearit@...> > > > Subject: Unfamiliar territory > > > > > > Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 7:08 PM > > > Long story short, I've felt like crap > > > for a couple years now. Sex is not even of > interest > > > and isn't happening when I " give in " . Memory is > shot, > > > sleep after every meal regardless of diet (I can > stay awake, > > > but it is a monumental task!), cannot focus, > sleep sucks, > > > I'm an empotional wreck and the list goes on. A > couple > > > of weeks ago I noticed that my left testicle, > which has > > > always been my big one, has gone from slightly > smaller than > > > a golfball to half that size. It is now the > size of a > > > marble. I contacted the doc and told him I > wanted > > > tests run. I am however very confused by the > sheer > > > number of various numbers out there and nothing > that really > > > explains everything. The doc had the labs do > both > > > urine and blood and I ended up with Albumin, > Microalbumin UR > > > QN, total testosterone, SHBG, Total Protein, > Globulin, > > > Creatine urine, Microalbumin/Creatine. The > total test > > > is withing the labs " normal " range, which I > relize does not > > > mean anything, and I found a calculator to get > the Free > > > Testosterone and BioAvailable Testosterone. > The > > > problem is there is too much data (at least in my > current > > > state of mind) that I can't find what all these > numbers mean > > > when put together. Those tests just posted on > Saturday > > > (today) so I don't expect to hear from my doc > until Monday > > > or later in the week. However, I like to have > my own > > > external sources so I can understand or call > " FOUL " if > > > warranted. Can someone point me to a website > that has > > > a more complete picture with numbers and what > they mean and > > > how they interact? As an example, my Creatine > level > > > has gone from 120something to 58 over the past 2 > years, but > > > what does that mean? How does that play into > this > > > whole thing? And my total test may be within > > > acceptable but my SBGH is well over the labs > limits. > > > How does that play? And I find no reference to > what > > > " Normal " is for Free Test! I know I'm probably > making > > > myself crazy over this, but I figure some of the > folks here > > > may be able to point me to a good information > source. > > > Disclaimer, I know nobody here is a doctor > (probably) and I > > > know to see my physician, etc. I'm just trying > to > > > educate myself. If I don't learn about my > health and > > > trust the doctors, I deserve whatever outcome I > get! > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 I pray it all works out for you Mike but I need to tell you Endo's and Uro's are not good Dr.'s for low testosterone or sex hormone problems. You might end up seeing a Dr. out of your HMO one that is up on all this. I can't tell you how important it is to see a good Dr. I wasted 23 yrs seeing the wrong Dr.'s not getting down to what was wrong with me. As it turns out I am Hypopituitary do to a head injury I then started getting sick about 6 months later. You need to read my story at this link. http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=9239 Co-Moderator Phil > From: mjbearit <mjbearit@...> > Subject: Re: Unfamiliar territory > > Date: Sunday, August 15, 2010, 4:40 PM > Thanks for the link. Went and > took a look. Wow! That's a lot of tests they > have listed! From the look of it though it does appear > somewhat low. I'm sure that combined with all the 2 > years of high stress at work it is just doing a number on my > bod. Of course if you mention stress the docs want to > prescribe something to mask the problem, so not going down > that road. I like to be able to use my brain! > I'll go over the results with the doc and see what he > says. I do have an HMO so sometimes you have to get > kind of agressive to get them to do the right thing. > If he doesn't come up with the right answers (tests for FSH > and Estro levels, etc.) I will ask for a ref to an Endo. > & Uro. I've learned that you get excellent service > from this HMO once you cut through the BS and get the wheel > turning. Since I've been with them for 20 some years, > I've learned how to light a fire under them! > Have a great weekend and thanks for all your help. > Mike > > > > > > > From: mjbearit <mjbearit@...> > > > Subject: Unfamiliar territory > > > > > > Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 7:08 PM > > > Long story short, I've felt like crap > > > for a couple years now. Sex is not even of > interest > > > and isn't happening when I " give in " . Memory is > shot, > > > sleep after every meal regardless of diet (I can > stay awake, > > > but it is a monumental task!), cannot focus, > sleep sucks, > > > I'm an empotional wreck and the list goes on. A > couple > > > of weeks ago I noticed that my left testicle, > which has > > > always been my big one, has gone from slightly > smaller than > > > a golfball to half that size. It is now the > size of a > > > marble. I contacted the doc and told him I > wanted > > > tests run. I am however very confused by the > sheer > > > number of various numbers out there and nothing > that really > > > explains everything. The doc had the labs do > both > > > urine and blood and I ended up with Albumin, > Microalbumin UR > > > QN, total testosterone, SHBG, Total Protein, > Globulin, > > > Creatine urine, Microalbumin/Creatine. The > total test > > > is withing the labs " normal " range, which I > relize does not > > > mean anything, and I found a calculator to get > the Free > > > Testosterone and BioAvailable Testosterone. > The > > > problem is there is too much data (at least in my > current > > > state of mind) that I can't find what all these > numbers mean > > > when put together. Those tests just posted on > Saturday > > > (today) so I don't expect to hear from my doc > until Monday > > > or later in the week. However, I like to have > my own > > > external sources so I can understand or call > " FOUL " if > > > warranted. Can someone point me to a website > that has > > > a more complete picture with numbers and what > they mean and > > > how they interact? As an example, my Creatine > level > > > has gone from 120something to 58 over the past 2 > years, but > > > what does that mean? How does that play into > this > > > whole thing? And my total test may be within > > > acceptable but my SBGH is well over the labs > limits. > > > How does that play? And I find no reference to > what > > > " Normal " is for Free Test! I know I'm probably > making > > > myself crazy over this, but I figure some of the > folks here > > > may be able to point me to a good information > source. > > > Disclaimer, I know nobody here is a doctor > (probably) and I > > > know to see my physician, etc. I'm just trying > to > > > educate myself. If I don't learn about my > health and > > > trust the doctors, I deserve whatever outcome I > get! > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Yes if it was the TRT if you had high levels before TRT it might stay up. Co-Moderator Phil > > > From: mjbearit <mjbearit@...> > > Subject: Re: Unfamiliar territory > > > > Date: Sunday, August 15, 2010, 4:06 PM > > Hey Phil, thanks! Felling > > better today! Got the motorcycle out of the > garage and > > burned through a tank of gas. Amazing how that > can get > > your head screwed on straight! > > Labs are as follows: > > Test > > > Value Lab range > > TESTOSTERONE, TOTAL 327 > > > 280-800 > > SHBG > > > 54.8 14.5-48.4 > > Tot Protein 7.5 > > > 6.0-8.0 > > Albumin > > 4.3 > > 3.3-4.8 > > Globulin > > 3.2 > > > 1.2-4.7 > > MiccroAlb, UR, > QN, <3.0 > > <20.0 > > Creatine, Urine > 58.5 > > Not Established > > MicroAlb/Creatine <5.1 > > <30.0 ug/mgCREAT > > > > Now I found an online calculator for the free/Bioavail > and > > it works out as follows: > > Free Test > 4.64 = > > 1.42% > > BioAvailable Test 109 = 33.3% > > > > Please be aware that this is off the labsheets on > > line. If the lab is wrong or something, well, I > don't > > know. Personally I don't know how the tot Test > could > > be normal from 280-800, from what I have read, but > maybe it > > has something to do with the way they run their > tests? > > > > Oh, yeah the usual other info as well, 49 YO for > another > > couple months, Insulin Resistant (not diabetic yet!), > > overweight (big surprise there!), HBP, borderline on > the > > lipid stuff. Obviously at my age I couldn't care > less > > about fertility (I think 5 kids is enough anyway!), > but I > > know it bothers my wife that sex is...well...you know! > > > It's funny because all the oddball symptoms I just > chalked > > up to stress at work and getting a " bit older " (God I > hate > > that term!) as I keep getting reminded by everyone and > his > > dog! It wasn't until I found my nut was not so > slowly > > disappearing that I started thinking that maybe there > is an > > underlaying theme here! > > Any comments/suggestions are more than welcome! > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > From: mjbearit <mjbearit@...> > > > > Subject: Unfamiliar > territory > > > > > > > > Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 7:08 PM > > > > Long story short, I've felt like crap > > > > for a couple years now. Sex is not > even of > > interest > > > > and isn't happening when I " give in " . > Memory is > > shot, > > > > sleep after every meal regardless of diet (I > can > > stay awake, > > > > but it is a monumental task!), cannot > focus, > > sleep sucks, > > > > I'm an empotional wreck and the list goes > on. A > > couple > > > > of weeks ago I noticed that my left > testicle, > > which has > > > > always been my big one, has gone from > slightly > > smaller than > > > > a golfball to half that size. It is > now the > > size of a > > > > marble. I contacted the doc and told > him I > > wanted > > > > tests run. I am however very confused > by the > > sheer > > > > number of various numbers out there and > nothing > > that really > > > > explains everything. The doc had the > labs do > > both > > > > urine and blood and I ended up with > Albumin, > > Microalbumin UR > > > > QN, total testosterone, SHBG, Total > Protein, > > Globulin, > > > > Creatine urine, Microalbumin/Creatine. > The > > total test > > > > is withing the labs " normal " range, which I > > relize does not > > > > mean anything, and I found a calculator to > get > > the Free > > > > Testosterone and BioAvailable Testosterone. > > > The > > > > problem is there is too much data (at least > in my > > current > > > > state of mind) that I can't find what all > these > > numbers mean > > > > when put together. Those tests just > posted on > > Saturday > > > > (today) so I don't expect to hear from my > doc > > until Monday > > > > or later in the week. However, I like > to have > > my own > > > > external sources so I can understand or > call > > " FOUL " if > > > > warranted. Can someone point me to a > website > > that has > > > > a more complete picture with numbers and > what > > they mean and > > > > how they interact? As an example, my > Creatine > > level > > > > has gone from 120something to 58 over the > past 2 > > years, but > > > > what does that mean? How does that > play into > > this > > > > whole thing? And my total test may be > within > > > > acceptable but my SBGH is well over the > labs > > limits. > > > > How does that play? And I find no > reference to > > what > > > > " Normal " is for Free Test! I know I'm > probably > > making > > > > myself crazy over this, but I figure some of > the > > folks here > > > > may be able to point me to a good > information > > source. > > > > Disclaimer, I know nobody here is a doctor > > (probably) and I > > > > know to see my physician, etc. I'm > just trying > > to > > > > educate myself. If I don't learn about > my > > health and > > > > trust the doctors, I deserve whatever > outcome I > > get! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Interesting. The doc is convinced (I spoke with him 2x today) that this has nothing to do with T and is something else entirely. Now I have to go for the thyroid tests, and of course it was the old " What about sleep apnea? " " Does your wife tell you that you stop breathing at night? " . Looks like it is going to be a long go round of tests. In the mean time, I have been scouring the web for helpful tips. Specifically for items to keep the estradiol from binding to the receptors and to keep the T from converting. I stopped on the way home tonight and picked up some Zinc, B6 and Flax Seed Oil. The store I stopped at did not have Chrysin, but I would like to try it with what I have (eventually), journal any changes, and possibly add the chrysin at a later date. If I can just hold onto what my body is producing I think I'll be okay, and I know the answer is out there somewhere. I just know that waiting around for them is not going to be the answer so I am going to try some " suggestions " and see if I notice any improvement. I'm not going for anything " out there " or " Outlandish " . Nothing that could cause harm, IMHO. Interesting about the head injury though. I did end up with a concussion about 2 years ago. Makes me go " Hmmmmm " . Thanks for your help Mike > > > > > > > From: mjbearit <mjbearit@> > > > > Subject: Unfamiliar territory > > > > > > > > Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 7:08 PM > > > > Long story short, I've felt like crap > > > > for a couple years now. Sex is not even of > > interest > > > > and isn't happening when I " give in " . Memory is > > shot, > > > > sleep after every meal regardless of diet (I can > > stay awake, > > > > but it is a monumental task!), cannot focus, > > sleep sucks, > > > > I'm an empotional wreck and the list goes on. A > > couple > > > > of weeks ago I noticed that my left testicle, > > which has > > > > always been my big one, has gone from slightly > > smaller than > > > > a golfball to half that size. It is now the > > size of a > > > > marble. I contacted the doc and told him I > > wanted > > > > tests run. I am however very confused by the > > sheer > > > > number of various numbers out there and nothing > > that really > > > > explains everything. The doc had the labs do > > both > > > > urine and blood and I ended up with Albumin, > > Microalbumin UR > > > > QN, total testosterone, SHBG, Total Protein, > > Globulin, > > > > Creatine urine, Microalbumin/Creatine. The > > total test > > > > is withing the labs " normal " range, which I > > relize does not > > > > mean anything, and I found a calculator to get > > the Free > > > > Testosterone and BioAvailable Testosterone. > > The > > > > problem is there is too much data (at least in my > > current > > > > state of mind) that I can't find what all these > > numbers mean > > > > when put together. Those tests just posted on > > Saturday > > > > (today) so I don't expect to hear from my doc > > until Monday > > > > or later in the week. However, I like to have > > my own > > > > external sources so I can understand or call > > " FOUL " if > > > > warranted. Can someone point me to a website > > that has > > > > a more complete picture with numbers and what > > they mean and > > > > how they interact? As an example, my Creatine > > level > > > > has gone from 120something to 58 over the past 2 > > years, but > > > > what does that mean? How does that play into > > this > > > > whole thing? And my total test may be within > > > > acceptable but my SBGH is well over the labs > > limits. > > > > How does that play? And I find no reference to > > what > > > > " Normal " is for Free Test! I know I'm probably > > making > > > > myself crazy over this, but I figure some of the > > folks here > > > > may be able to point me to a good information > > source. > > > > Disclaimer, I know nobody here is a doctor > > (probably) and I > > > > know to see my physician, etc. I'm just trying > > to > > > > educate myself. If I don't learn about my > > health and > > > > trust the doctors, I deserve whatever outcome I > > get! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Mike, Don't take the Flax Seed Oil it can drive up your Estradiol levels even higher as per Dr. . As for Chrysin for get about it taking it it gets killed in your stomach only way it would work is to have it compounded into a cream and put it on your skin. Indolplex/DIM works great to keep Estradiol in check as long as your not having a big problem with It like I have. http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0 Co-Moderator Phil > From: mjbearit <mjbearit@...> > Subject: Re: Unfamiliar territory > > Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, 8:34 PM > Interesting. The doc is > convinced (I spoke with him 2x today) that this has nothing > to do with T and is something else entirely. Now I > have to go for the thyroid tests, and of course it was the > old " What about sleep apnea? " " Does your wife tell you > that you stop breathing at night? " . Looks like it is > going to be a long go round of tests. In the mean > time, I have been scouring the web for helpful tips. > Specifically for items to keep the estradiol from binding to > the receptors and to keep the T from converting. I > stopped on the way home tonight and picked up some Zinc, B6 > and Flax Seed Oil. The store I stopped at did not have > Chrysin, but I would like to try it with what I have > (eventually), journal any changes, and possibly add the > chrysin at a later date. If I can just hold onto what > my body is producing I think I'll be okay, and I know the > answer is out there somewhere. I just know that > waiting around for them is not going to be the answer so I > am going to try some " suggestions " and see if I notice any > improvement. I'm not going for anything " out there " or > " Outlandish " . Nothing that could cause harm, IMHO. > Interesting about the head injury though. I did end > up with a concussion about 2 years ago. Makes me go > " Hmmmmm " . > Thanks for your help > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > From: mjbearit <mjbearit@> > > > > > Subject: Unfamiliar > territory > > > > > > > > > > Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 7:08 > PM > > > > > Long story short, I've felt like crap > > > > > for a couple years now. Sex is not > even of > > > interest > > > > > and isn't happening when I " give in " . > Memory is > > > shot, > > > > > sleep after every meal regardless of > diet (I can > > > stay awake, > > > > > but it is a monumental task!), cannot > focus, > > > sleep sucks, > > > > > I'm an empotional wreck and the list > goes on. A > > > couple > > > > > of weeks ago I noticed that my left > testicle, > > > which has > > > > > always been my big one, has gone from > slightly > > > smaller than > > > > > a golfball to half that size. It is > now the > > > size of a > > > > > marble. I contacted the doc and told > him I > > > wanted > > > > > tests run. I am however very confused > by the > > > sheer > > > > > number of various numbers out there and > nothing > > > that really > > > > > explains everything. The doc had the > labs do > > > both > > > > > urine and blood and I ended up with > Albumin, > > > Microalbumin UR > > > > > QN, total testosterone, SHBG, Total > Protein, > > > Globulin, > > > > > Creatine urine, > Microalbumin/Creatine. The > > > total test > > > > > is withing the labs " normal " range, > which I > > > relize does not > > > > > mean anything, and I found a calculator > to get > > > the Free > > > > > Testosterone and BioAvailable > Testosterone. > > > The > > > > > problem is there is too much data (at > least in my > > > current > > > > > state of mind) that I can't find what > all these > > > numbers mean > > > > > when put together. Those tests just > posted on > > > Saturday > > > > > (today) so I don't expect to hear from > my doc > > > until Monday > > > > > or later in the week. However, I like > to have > > > my own > > > > > external sources so I can understand or > call > > > " FOUL " if > > > > > warranted. Can someone point me to a > website > > > that has > > > > > a more complete picture with numbers > and what > > > they mean and > > > > > how they interact? As an example, my > Creatine > > > level > > > > > has gone from 120something to 58 over > the past 2 > > > years, but > > > > > what does that mean? How does that > play into > > > this > > > > > whole thing? And my total test may be > within > > > > > acceptable but my SBGH is well over the > labs > > > limits. > > > > > How does that play? And I find no > reference to > > > what > > > > > " Normal " is for Free Test! I know I'm > probably > > > making > > > > > myself crazy over this, but I figure > some of the > > > folks here > > > > > may be able to point me to a good > information > > > source. > > > > > Disclaimer, I know nobody here is a > doctor > > > (probably) and I > > > > > know to see my physician, etc. I'm > just trying > > > to > > > > > educate myself. If I don't learn > about my > > > health and > > > > > trust the doctors, I deserve whatever > outcome I > > > get! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 How long does it take for Pure Rip/Dim to start working? > From: mjbearit <mjbearit@...> > Subject: Re: Unfamiliar territory > > Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, 8:34 PM > Interesting. The doc is > convinced (I spoke with him 2x today) that this has nothing > to do with T and is something else entirely. Now I > have to go for the thyroid tests, and of course it was the > old " What about sleep apnea? "  " Does your wife tell you > that you stop breathing at night? " . Looks like it is > going to be a long go round of tests. In the mean > time, I have been scouring the web for helpful tips. > Specifically for items to keep the estradiol from binding to > the receptors and to keep the T from converting. I > stopped on the way home tonight and picked up some Zinc, B6 > and Flax Seed Oil. The store I stopped at did not have > Chrysin, but I would like to try it with what I have > (eventually), journal any changes, and possibly add the > chrysin at a later date. If I can just hold onto what > my body is producing I think I'll be okay, and I know the > answer is out there somewhere. I just know that > waiting around for them is not going to be the answer so I > am going to try some " suggestions " and see if I notice any > improvement. I'm not going for anything " out there " or > " Outlandish " . Nothing that could cause harm, IMHO. > Interesting about the head injury though. I did end > up with a concussion about 2 years ago. Makes me go > " Hmmmmm " . > Thanks for your help > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > From: mjbearit <mjbearit@> > > > > > Subject: Unfamiliar > territory > > > > > > > > > > Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 7:08 > PM > > > > > Long story short, I've felt like crap > > > > > for a couple years now. Sex is not > even of > > > interest > > > > > and isn't happening when I " give in " . > Memory is > > > shot, > > > > > sleep after every meal regardless of > diet (I can > > > stay awake, > > > > > but it is a monumental task!), cannot > focus, > > > sleep sucks, > > > > > I'm an empotional wreck and the list > goes on. A > > > couple > > > > > of weeks ago I noticed that my left > testicle, > > > which has > > > > > always been my big one, has gone from > slightly > > > smaller than > > > > > a golfball to half that size. It is > now the > > > size of a > > > > > marble. I contacted the doc and told > him I > > > wanted > > > > > tests run. I am however very confused > by the > > > sheer > > > > > number of various numbers out there and > nothing > > > that really > > > > > explains everything. The doc had the > labs do > > > both > > > > > urine and blood and I ended up with > Albumin, > > > Microalbumin UR > > > > > QN, total testosterone, SHBG, Total > Protein, > > > Globulin, > > > > > Creatine urine, > Microalbumin/Creatine. The > > > total test > > > > > is withing the labs " normal " range, > which I > > > relize does not > > > > > mean anything, and I found a calculator > to get > > > the Free > > > > > Testosterone and BioAvailable > Testosterone. > > > The > > > > > problem is there is too much data (at > least in my > > > current > > > > > state of mind) that I can't find what > all these > > > numbers mean > > > > > when put together. Those tests just > posted on > > > Saturday > > > > > (today) so I don't expect to hear from > my doc > > > until Monday > > > > > or later in the week. However, I like > to have > > > my own > > > > > external sources so I can understand or > call > > > " FOUL " if > > > > > warranted. Can someone point me to a > website > > > that has > > > > > a more complete picture with numbers > and what > > > they mean and > > > > > how they interact? As an example, my > Creatine > > > level > > > > > has gone from 120something to 58 over > the past 2 > > > years, but > > > > > what does that mean? How does that > play into > > > this > > > > > whole thing? And my total test may be > within > > > > > acceptable but my SBGH is well over the > labs > > > limits. > > > > > How does that play? And I find no > reference to > > > what > > > > > " Normal " is for Free Test! I know I'm > probably > > > making > > > > > myself crazy over this, but I figure > some of the > > > folks here > > > > > may be able to point me to a good > information > > > source. > > > > > Disclaimer, I know nobody here is a > doctor > > > (probably) and I > > > > > know to see my physician, etc. I'm > just trying > > > to > > > > > educate myself. If I don't learn > about my > > > health and > > > > > trust the doctors, I deserve whatever > outcome I > > > get! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 If your Estradiol levels are not to high men see it working in about a week to 10 days it is slow so you need to look for things to start to feel better. Co-Moderator Phil > > > From: mjbearit <mjbearit@...> > > Subject: Re: Unfamiliar territory > > > > Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, 8:34 PM > > Interesting. The doc is > > convinced (I spoke with him 2x today) that this has > nothing > > to do with T and is something else entirely. Now I > > have to go for the thyroid tests, and of course it was > the > > old " What about sleep apnea? " " Does your wife tell > you > > that you stop breathing at night? " . Looks like it > is > > going to be a long go round of tests. In the mean > > time, I have been scouring the web for helpful > tips. > > Specifically for items to keep the estradiol from > binding to > > the receptors and to keep the T from converting. I > > stopped on the way home tonight and picked up some > Zinc, B6 > > and Flax Seed Oil. The store I stopped at did not > have > > Chrysin, but I would like to try it with what I have > > (eventually), journal any changes, and possibly add > the > > chrysin at a later date. If I can just hold onto > what > > my body is producing I think I'll be okay, and I know > the > > answer is out there somewhere. I just know that > > waiting around for them is not going to be the answer > so I > > am going to try some " suggestions " and see if I notice > any > > improvement. I'm not going for anything " out there " > or > > " Outlandish " . Nothing that could cause harm, IMHO. > > Interesting about the head injury though. I did end > > up with a concussion about 2 years ago. Makes me go > > " Hmmmmm " . > > Thanks for your help > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: mjbearit <mjbearit@> > > > > > > Subject: > Unfamiliar > > territory > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, > 7:08 > > PM > > > > > > Long story short, I've felt like > crap > > > > > > for a couple years now. Sex is > not > > even of > > > > interest > > > > > > and isn't happening when I " give > in " . > > Memory is > > > > shot, > > > > > > sleep after every meal regardless > of > > diet (I can > > > > stay awake, > > > > > > but it is a monumental task!), > cannot > > focus, > > > > sleep sucks, > > > > > > I'm an empotional wreck and the > list > > goes on. A > > > > couple > > > > > > of weeks ago I noticed that my > left > > testicle, > > > > which has > > > > > > always been my big one, has gone > from > > slightly > > > > smaller than > > > > > > a golfball to half that size. It > is > > now the > > > > size of a > > > > > > marble. I contacted the doc and > told > > him I > > > > wanted > > > > > > tests run. I am however very > confused > > by the > > > > sheer > > > > > > number of various numbers out > there and > > nothing > > > > that really > > > > > > explains everything. The doc had > the > > labs do > > > > both > > > > > > urine and blood and I ended up > with > > Albumin, > > > > Microalbumin UR > > > > > > QN, total testosterone, SHBG, > Total > > Protein, > > > > Globulin, > > > > > > Creatine urine, > > Microalbumin/Creatine. The > > > > total test > > > > > > is withing the labs " normal " > range, > > which I > > > > relize does not > > > > > > mean anything, and I found a > calculator > > to get > > > > the Free > > > > > > Testosterone and BioAvailable > > Testosterone. > > > > The > > > > > > problem is there is too much data > (at > > least in my > > > > current > > > > > > state of mind) that I can't find > what > > all these > > > > numbers mean > > > > > > when put together. Those tests > just > > posted on > > > > Saturday > > > > > > (today) so I don't expect to hear > from > > my doc > > > > until Monday > > > > > > or later in the week. However, I > like > > to have > > > > my own > > > > > > external sources so I can > understand or > > call > > > > " FOUL " if > > > > > > warranted. Can someone point me > to a > > website > > > > that has > > > > > > a more complete picture with > numbers > > and what > > > > they mean and > > > > > > how they interact? As an > example, my > > Creatine > > > > level > > > > > > has gone from 120something to 58 > over > > the past 2 > > > > years, but > > > > > > what does that mean? How does > that > > play into > > > > this > > > > > > whole thing? And my total test > may be > > within > > > > > > acceptable but my SBGH is well > over the > > labs > > > > limits. > > > > > > How does that play? And I find > no > > reference to > > > > what > > > > > > " Normal " is for Free Test! I > know I'm > > probably > > > > making > > > > > > myself crazy over this, but I > figure > > some of the > > > > folks here > > > > > > may be able to point me to a good > > information > > > > source. > > > > > > Disclaimer, I know nobody here is > a > > doctor > > > > (probably) and I > > > > > > know to see my physician, etc. > I'm > > just trying > > > > to > > > > > > educate myself. If I don't > learn > > about my > > > > health and > > > > > > trust the doctors, I deserve > whatever > > outcome I > > > > get! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Thanks Phil, can't find the Chrysin locally anyway. I actually have no idea if it was the Flax Seed oil or what, but my joints sure feel better today! Yeah, I'm arthritic to boot! The B6 and Zinc sure made a HUGE difference for me mentally! I feel like I am coming out of a fog I have been in for years! Still not totally where I want to be, but these things take time. So much better in such a short amount of time makes me think I was REALLY deficient in something! I gotta tell you though, I'd rather battle the E from the flax seed oil than the constant pain from the arthritis. I have a feeling this is going to be a fine balancing act. Oh and I just noticed, I ate lunch an hour and a half ago and didn't even think about falling asleep! Wow! I think feeling normal might just be within my grasp! Thanks for your help Mike > > > > > > > > > > > From: mjbearit <mjbearit@> > > > > > > Subject: Unfamiliar > > territory > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 7:08 > > PM > > > > > > Long story short, I've felt like crap > > > > > > for a couple years now. Sex is not > > even of > > > > interest > > > > > > and isn't happening when I " give in " . > > Memory is > > > > shot, > > > > > > sleep after every meal regardless of > > diet (I can > > > > stay awake, > > > > > > but it is a monumental task!), cannot > > focus, > > > > sleep sucks, > > > > > > I'm an empotional wreck and the list > > goes on. A > > > > couple > > > > > > of weeks ago I noticed that my left > > testicle, > > > > which has > > > > > > always been my big one, has gone from > > slightly > > > > smaller than > > > > > > a golfball to half that size. It is > > now the > > > > size of a > > > > > > marble. I contacted the doc and told > > him I > > > > wanted > > > > > > tests run. I am however very confused > > by the > > > > sheer > > > > > > number of various numbers out there and > > nothing > > > > that really > > > > > > explains everything. The doc had the > > labs do > > > > both > > > > > > urine and blood and I ended up with > > Albumin, > > > > Microalbumin UR > > > > > > QN, total testosterone, SHBG, Total > > Protein, > > > > Globulin, > > > > > > Creatine urine, > > Microalbumin/Creatine. The > > > > total test > > > > > > is withing the labs " normal " range, > > which I > > > > relize does not > > > > > > mean anything, and I found a calculator > > to get > > > > the Free > > > > > > Testosterone and BioAvailable > > Testosterone. > > > > The > > > > > > problem is there is too much data (at > > least in my > > > > current > > > > > > state of mind) that I can't find what > > all these > > > > numbers mean > > > > > > when put together. Those tests just > > posted on > > > > Saturday > > > > > > (today) so I don't expect to hear from > > my doc > > > > until Monday > > > > > > or later in the week. However, I like > > to have > > > > my own > > > > > > external sources so I can understand or > > call > > > > " FOUL " if > > > > > > warranted. Can someone point me to a > > website > > > > that has > > > > > > a more complete picture with numbers > > and what > > > > they mean and > > > > > > how they interact? As an example, my > > Creatine > > > > level > > > > > > has gone from 120something to 58 over > > the past 2 > > > > years, but > > > > > > what does that mean? How does that > > play into > > > > this > > > > > > whole thing? And my total test may be > > within > > > > > > acceptable but my SBGH is well over the > > labs > > > > limits. > > > > > > How does that play? And I find no > > reference to > > > > what > > > > > > " Normal " is for Free Test! I know I'm > > probably > > > > making > > > > > > myself crazy over this, but I figure > > some of the > > > > folks here > > > > > > may be able to point me to a good > > information > > > > source. > > > > > > Disclaimer, I know nobody here is a > > doctor > > > > (probably) and I > > > > > > know to see my physician, etc. I'm > > just trying > > > > to > > > > > > educate myself. If I don't learn > > about my > > > > health and > > > > > > trust the doctors, I deserve whatever > > outcome I > > > > get! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 That is great news mike I have sore joints and muscle off and on right now my back and down the sides of my legs hurt. But my Dr. lowered my Test C shot about 3 months ago only 10 mgs from 80 mgs every 3 days to 70 mgs last blood test 6 weeks ago my Total T fell about 300 points from the higher 800's down to the low 500's. I feel like crap now a lot of fatigue and sore joints and muscles. He did this because I am now on Growth Hormone and in most men doing GH you can get by on a lot less testosterone. But not me I feel it big time. I just did a mess of labs this morning so there goes a pint of blood or at least it looked like one. It will take me a good 12 more weeks to feel better been down this road many times. I did go for a walk with my wife the fatigue is so bad we had to sit for time half way through the walk. My wife keeps telling me I am on my way out like she is God of something. Co-Moderator Phil > From: mjbearit <mjbearit@...> > Subject: Re: Unfamiliar territory > > Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 3:34 PM > Thanks Phil, can't find the Chrysin > locally anyway. I actually have no idea if it was the > Flax Seed oil or what, but my joints sure feel better > today! Yeah, I'm arthritic to boot! The B6 and > Zinc sure made a HUGE difference for me mentally! I > feel like I am coming out of a fog I have been in for > years! Still not totally where I want to be, but these > things take time. So much better in such a short > amount of time makes me think I was REALLY deficient in > something! I gotta tell you though, I'd rather battle > the E from the flax seed oil than the constant pain from the > arthritis. I have a feeling this is going to be a fine > balancing act. Oh and I just noticed, I ate lunch an > hour and a half ago and didn't even think about falling > asleep! Wow! I think feeling normal might just > be within my grasp! > Thanks for your help > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: mjbearit > <mjbearit@> > > > > > > > Subject: > Unfamiliar > > > territory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Saturday, August 14, > 2010, 7:08 > > > PM > > > > > > > Long story short, I've felt > like crap > > > > > > > for a couple years now. Sex > is not > > > even of > > > > > interest > > > > > > > and isn't happening when I > " give in " . > > > Memory is > > > > > shot, > > > > > > > sleep after every meal > regardless of > > > diet (I can > > > > > stay awake, > > > > > > > but it is a monumental > task!), cannot > > > focus, > > > > > sleep sucks, > > > > > > > I'm an empotional wreck and > the list > > > goes on. A > > > > > couple > > > > > > > of weeks ago I noticed that > my left > > > testicle, > > > > > which has > > > > > > > always been my big one, has > gone from > > > slightly > > > > > smaller than > > > > > > > a golfball to half that > size. It is > > > now the > > > > > size of a > > > > > > > marble. I contacted the doc > and told > > > him I > > > > > wanted > > > > > > > tests run. I am however > very confused > > > by the > > > > > sheer > > > > > > > number of various numbers out > there and > > > nothing > > > > > that really > > > > > > > explains everything. The > doc had the > > > labs do > > > > > both > > > > > > > urine and blood and I ended > up with > > > Albumin, > > > > > Microalbumin UR > > > > > > > QN, total testosterone, SHBG, > Total > > > Protein, > > > > > Globulin, > > > > > > > Creatine urine, > > > Microalbumin/Creatine. The > > > > > total test > > > > > > > is withing the labs " normal " > range, > > > which I > > > > > relize does not > > > > > > > mean anything, and I found a > calculator > > > to get > > > > > the Free > > > > > > > Testosterone and > BioAvailable > > > Testosterone. > > > > > The > > > > > > > problem is there is too much > data (at > > > least in my > > > > > current > > > > > > > state of mind) that I can't > find what > > > all these > > > > > numbers mean > > > > > > > when put together. Those > tests just > > > posted on > > > > > Saturday > > > > > > > (today) so I don't expect to > hear from > > > my doc > > > > > until Monday > > > > > > > or later in the week. > However, I like > > > to have > > > > > my own > > > > > > > external sources so I can > understand or > > > call > > > > > " FOUL " if > > > > > > > warranted. Can someone > point me to a > > > website > > > > > that has > > > > > > > a more complete picture with > numbers > > > and what > > > > > they mean and > > > > > > > how they interact? As an > example, my > > > Creatine > > > > > level > > > > > > > has gone from 120something to > 58 over > > > the past 2 > > > > > years, but > > > > > > > what does that mean? How > does that > > > play into > > > > > this > > > > > > > whole thing? And my total > test may be > > > within > > > > > > > acceptable but my SBGH is > well over the > > > labs > > > > > limits. > > > > > > > How does that play? And I > find no > > > reference to > > > > > what > > > > > > > " Normal " is for Free Test! > I know I'm > > > probably > > > > > making > > > > > > > myself crazy over this, but I > figure > > > some of the > > > > > folks here > > > > > > > may be able to point me to a > good > > > information > > > > > source. > > > > > > > Disclaimer, I know nobody > here is a > > > doctor > > > > > (probably) and I > > > > > > > know to see my physician, > etc. I'm > > > just trying > > > > > to > > > > > > > educate myself. If I don't > learn > > > about my > > > > > health and > > > > > > > trust the doctors, I deserve > whatever > > > outcome I > > > > > get! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Damn Phil, please don't take this the wrong way, but your wife is a callous.....okay, never mind. I guess I called it too early. About 2:00-2:30 I started crashing. I feel like I'm right back where I started right now. But at least I had a good morning! The afternoon really sucks! I wish I could curl up and take a nap somewhere right now. Naturally we have guests, and of course it is people I don't even like (no matter what my levels of what are, they are the wife's friends) so I have to " put on a happy face " and pretend like everything is fine. Damn I feel manic or bi-polar or whatever the term " en vogue " is now a days! I did pick up some vitamin C today also. I picked up what I thought was DHEA, but it was actually DHA so I'm not sure what the hell I have! And of course it was 2 for 1 day so I have 180 gel caps of something that I don't know what the hell it is! I'll wait until tomorrow when I, hopefully, will catch my next " high " and read the whole thing. I couldn't even concentrate enough to read the damn label. Okay 10 minutes of typing with tons of backspacing is enough! I'm gonna rest for awhile. Again, thanks for the help Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: mjbearit > > <mjbearit@> > > > > > > > > Subject: > > Unfamiliar > > > > territory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Saturday, August 14, > > 2010, 7:08 > > > > PM > > > > > > > > Long story short, I've felt > > like crap > > > > > > > > for a couple years now. Sex > > is not > > > > even of > > > > > > interest > > > > > > > > and isn't happening when I > > " give in " . > > > > Memory is > > > > > > shot, > > > > > > > > sleep after every meal > > regardless of > > > > diet (I can > > > > > > stay awake, > > > > > > > > but it is a monumental > > task!), cannot > > > > focus, > > > > > > sleep sucks, > > > > > > > > I'm an empotional wreck and > > the list > > > > goes on. A > > > > > > couple > > > > > > > > of weeks ago I noticed that > > my left > > > > testicle, > > > > > > which has > > > > > > > > always been my big one, has > > gone from > > > > slightly > > > > > > smaller than > > > > > > > > a golfball to half that > > size. It is > > > > now the > > > > > > size of a > > > > > > > > marble. I contacted the doc > > and told > > > > him I > > > > > > wanted > > > > > > > > tests run. I am however > > very confused > > > > by the > > > > > > sheer > > > > > > > > number of various numbers out > > there and > > > > nothing > > > > > > that really > > > > > > > > explains everything. The > > doc had the > > > > labs do > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > urine and blood and I ended > > up with > > > > Albumin, > > > > > > Microalbumin UR > > > > > > > > QN, total testosterone, SHBG, > > Total > > > > Protein, > > > > > > Globulin, > > > > > > > > Creatine urine, > > > > Microalbumin/Creatine. The > > > > > > total test > > > > > > > > is withing the labs " normal " > > range, > > > > which I > > > > > > relize does not > > > > > > > > mean anything, and I found a > > calculator > > > > to get > > > > > > the Free > > > > > > > > Testosterone and > > BioAvailable > > > > Testosterone. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > problem is there is too much > > data (at > > > > least in my > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > state of mind) that I can't > > find what > > > > all these > > > > > > numbers mean > > > > > > > > when put together. Those > > tests just > > > > posted on > > > > > > Saturday > > > > > > > > (today) so I don't expect to > > hear from > > > > my doc > > > > > > until Monday > > > > > > > > or later in the week. > > However, I like > > > > to have > > > > > > my own > > > > > > > > external sources so I can > > understand or > > > > call > > > > > > " FOUL " if > > > > > > > > warranted. Can someone > > point me to a > > > > website > > > > > > that has > > > > > > > > a more complete picture with > > numbers > > > > and what > > > > > > they mean and > > > > > > > > how they interact? As an > > example, my > > > > Creatine > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > has gone from 120something to > > 58 over > > > > the past 2 > > > > > > years, but > > > > > > > > what does that mean? How > > does that > > > > play into > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > whole thing? And my total > > test may be > > > > within > > > > > > > > acceptable but my SBGH is > > well over the > > > > labs > > > > > > limits. > > > > > > > > How does that play? And I > > find no > > > > reference to > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > " Normal " is for Free Test! > > I know I'm > > > > probably > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > myself crazy over this, but I > > figure > > > > some of the > > > > > > folks here > > > > > > > > may be able to point me to a > > good > > > > information > > > > > > source. > > > > > > > > Disclaimer, I know nobody > > here is a > > > > doctor > > > > > > (probably) and I > > > > > > > > know to see my physician, > > etc. I'm > > > > just trying > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > educate myself. If I don't > > learn > > > > about my > > > > > > health and > > > > > > > > trust the doctors, I deserve > > whatever > > > > outcome I > > > > > > get! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Sorry Mike but I hope it all gets better with me lately it's feeling like crap in the morning. I push my self to eat and clean up then I sit here and wait. I feel with me it's my sugar levels they are low in the morning because about an hour after I eat I feel better. Yes my wife if a bit much at times but I love her. Co-Moderator Phil > From: mjbearit <mjbearit@...> > Subject: Re: Unfamiliar territory > > Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 7:46 PM > Damn Phil, please don't take this the > wrong way, but your wife is a callous.....okay, never mind. > I guess I called it too early. About 2:00-2:30 I > started crashing. I feel like I'm right back where I > started right now. But at least I had a good > morning! The afternoon really sucks! I wish I > could curl up and take a nap somewhere right now. > Naturally we have guests, and of course it is people I don't > even like (no matter what my levels of what are, they are > the wife's friends) so I have to " put on a happy face " and > pretend like everything is fine. Damn I feel manic or > bi-polar or whatever the term " en vogue " is now a > days! I did pick up some vitamin C today also. I > picked up what I thought was DHEA, but it was actually DHA > so I'm not sure what the hell I have! And of course it > was 2 for 1 day so I have 180 gel caps of something that I > don't know what the hell it is! I'll wait until > tomorrow when I, hopefully, will catch my next " high " and > read the whole thing. I couldn't even concentrate > enough to read the damn label. Okay 10 minutes of > typing with tons of backspacing is enough! I'm gonna > rest for awhile. > Again, thanks for the help > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: mjbearit > > > <mjbearit@> > > > > > > > > > Subject: > > > > Unfamiliar > > > > > territory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Saturday, > August 14, > > > 2010, 7:08 > > > > > PM > > > > > > > > > Long story short, > I've felt > > > like crap > > > > > > > > > for a couple years > now. Sex > > > is not > > > > > even of > > > > > > > interest > > > > > > > > > and isn't happening > when I > > > " give in " . > > > > > Memory is > > > > > > > shot, > > > > > > > > > sleep after every > meal > > > regardless of > > > > > diet (I can > > > > > > > stay awake, > > > > > > > > > but it is a > monumental > > > task!), cannot > > > > > focus, > > > > > > > sleep sucks, > > > > > > > > > I'm an empotional > wreck and > > > the list > > > > > goes on. A > > > > > > > couple > > > > > > > > > of weeks ago I > noticed that > > > my left > > > > > testicle, > > > > > > > which has > > > > > > > > > always been my big > one, has > > > gone from > > > > > slightly > > > > > > > smaller than > > > > > > > > > a golfball to half > that > > > size. It is > > > > > now the > > > > > > > size of a > > > > > > > > > marble. I > contacted the doc > > > and told > > > > > him I > > > > > > > wanted > > > > > > > > > tests run. I am > however > > > very confused > > > > > by the > > > > > > > sheer > > > > > > > > > number of various > numbers out > > > there and > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > that really > > > > > > > > > explains > everything. The > > > doc had the > > > > > labs do > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > urine and blood and > I ended > > > up with > > > > > Albumin, > > > > > > > Microalbumin UR > > > > > > > > > QN, total > testosterone, SHBG, > > > Total > > > > > Protein, > > > > > > > Globulin, > > > > > > > > > Creatine urine, > > > > > Microalbumin/Creatine. The > > > > > > > total test > > > > > > > > > is withing the labs > " normal " > > > range, > > > > > which I > > > > > > > relize does not > > > > > > > > > mean anything, and > I found a > > > calculator > > > > > to get > > > > > > > the Free > > > > > > > > > Testosterone and > > > BioAvailable > > > > > Testosterone. > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > problem is there is > too much > > > data (at > > > > > least in my > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > state of mind) that > I can't > > > find what > > > > > all these > > > > > > > numbers mean > > > > > > > > > when put > together. Those > > > tests just > > > > > posted on > > > > > > > Saturday > > > > > > > > > (today) so I don't > expect to > > > hear from > > > > > my doc > > > > > > > until Monday > > > > > > > > > or later in the > week. > > > However, I like > > > > > to have > > > > > > > my own > > > > > > > > > external sources so > I can > > > understand or > > > > > call > > > > > > > " FOUL " if > > > > > > > > > warranted. Can > someone > > > point me to a > > > > > website > > > > > > > that has > > > > > > > > > a more complete > picture with > > > numbers > > > > > and what > > > > > > > they mean and > > > > > > > > > how they > interact? As an > > > example, my > > > > > Creatine > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > has gone from > 120something to > > > 58 over > > > > > the past 2 > > > > > > > years, but > > > > > > > > > what does that > mean? How > > > does that > > > > > play into > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > whole thing? And > my total > > > test may be > > > > > within > > > > > > > > > acceptable but my > SBGH is > > > well over the > > > > > labs > > > > > > > limits. > > > > > > > > > How does that > play? And I > > > find no > > > > > reference to > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > " Normal " is for > Free Test! > > > I know I'm > > > > > probably > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > myself crazy over > this, but I > > > figure > > > > > some of the > > > > > > > folks here > > > > > > > > > may be able to > point me to a > > > good > > > > > information > > > > > > > source. > > > > > > > > > Disclaimer, I know > nobody > > > here is a > > > > > doctor > > > > > > > (probably) and I > > > > > > > > > know to see my > physician, > > > etc. I'm > > > > > just trying > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > educate myself. > If I don't > > > learn > > > > > about my > > > > > > > health and > > > > > > > > > trust the doctors, > I deserve > > > whatever > > > > > outcome I > > > > > > > get! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -fullfeatured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Sorry you're feeling so poorly Phil. WE love you! Barb > > Sorry Mike but I hope it all gets better with me lately it's feeling like crap in the morning. I push my self to eat and clean up then I sit here and wait. I feel with me it's my sugar levels they are low in the morning because about an hour after I eat I feel better. Yes my wife if a bit much at times but I love her. > Co-Moderator > Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Thanks Barb I have been down this road so many times let a Dr. lower my T dose and I end up like this. Knowing it will get better when I get my levels back up and keep them there it will get better. I did labs yesterday and can't wait to see how my Thyroid looks I might need to add some T3 to my T4 only meds. I need to be careful not to go hyper again being on Growth Hormone. I can't help but say this I hope in the long run going on GH will help. But in the mean time it's about readjusting meds on this. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Barb <baba@...> > Subject: Re: Unfamiliar territory > > Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 10:11 AM > Sorry you're feeling so poorly > Phil. WE love you! > > Barb > > > > > > Sorry Mike but I hope it all gets better with me > lately it's feeling like crap in the morning. I push > my self to eat and clean up then I sit here and wait. > I feel with me it's my sugar levels they are low in the > morning because about an hour after I eat I feel > better. Yes my wife if a bit much at times but I love > her. > > Co-Moderator > > Phil > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 I hope you feel better soon. This morning I feel much better myself. I pushed back my hours at work to go in an hour later. I just wasn't getting enough sleep. That extra hour makes a huge difference! Luckily I work from home 2 days a week so I do get some respite from the crazy office atmosphere. I was diagnosed as insulin resistant years ago, they keep trying to classify me as diabetic, but they just can't do it because my numbers won't be consistantly high! Frustrates the hell out of them! They want to measure my lipids and BP and such against the diabetic chart and yell at me and I keep telling them they can't do that, they have to use the normal chart in which my numbers might be high, but are in the normal range! I would suggest you go out and get a glucose meter (no RX required). If you are having issues with your BG levels, you can track it and find out what different foods do to you and the best times for you to eat, what exercise does to you, etc. It is actually quite revealing. It might give you some help in that you can learn to wake up and take some fast acting simple carb if you are low upon awaking. It really can help you plan things in your life better. It has kept me off their meds for about 8 years or so just by helping me to plan what I eat and when. Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: mjbearit > > > > <mjbearit@> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: > > > > > > Unfamiliar > > > > > > territory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Saturday, > > August 14, > > > > 2010, 7:08 > > > > > > PM > > > > > > > > > > Long story short, > > I've felt > > > > like crap > > > > > > > > > > for a couple years > > now. Sex > > > > is not > > > > > > even of > > > > > > > > interest > > > > > > > > > > and isn't happening > > when I > > > > " give in " . > > > > > > Memory is > > > > > > > > shot, > > > > > > > > > > sleep after every > > meal > > > > regardless of > > > > > > diet (I can > > > > > > > > stay awake, > > > > > > > > > > but it is a > > monumental > > > > task!), cannot > > > > > > focus, > > > > > > > > sleep sucks, > > > > > > > > > > I'm an empotional > > wreck and > > > > the list > > > > > > goes on. A > > > > > > > > couple > > > > > > > > > > of weeks ago I > > noticed that > > > > my left > > > > > > testicle, > > > > > > > > which has > > > > > > > > > > always been my big > > one, has > > > > gone from > > > > > > slightly > > > > > > > > smaller than > > > > > > > > > > a golfball to half > > that > > > > size. It is > > > > > > now the > > > > > > > > size of a > > > > > > > > > > marble. I > > contacted the doc > > > > and told > > > > > > him I > > > > > > > > wanted > > > > > > > > > > tests run. I am > > however > > > > very confused > > > > > > by the > > > > > > > > sheer > > > > > > > > > > number of various > > numbers out > > > > there and > > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > > that really > > > > > > > > > > explains > > everything. The > > > > doc had the > > > > > > labs do > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > urine and blood and > > I ended > > > > up with > > > > > > Albumin, > > > > > > > > Microalbumin UR > > > > > > > > > > QN, total > > testosterone, SHBG, > > > > Total > > > > > > Protein, > > > > > > > > Globulin, > > > > > > > > > > Creatine urine, > > > > > > Microalbumin/Creatine. The > > > > > > > > total test > > > > > > > > > > is withing the labs > > " normal " > > > > range, > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > relize does not > > > > > > > > > > mean anything, and > > I found a > > > > calculator > > > > > > to get > > > > > > > > the Free > > > > > > > > > > Testosterone and > > > > BioAvailable > > > > > > Testosterone. > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > problem is there is > > too much > > > > data (at > > > > > > least in my > > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > state of mind) that > > I can't > > > > find what > > > > > > all these > > > > > > > > numbers mean > > > > > > > > > > when put > > together. Those > > > > tests just > > > > > > posted on > > > > > > > > Saturday > > > > > > > > > > (today) so I don't > > expect to > > > > hear from > > > > > > my doc > > > > > > > > until Monday > > > > > > > > > > or later in the > > week. > > > > However, I like > > > > > > to have > > > > > > > > my own > > > > > > > > > > external sources so > > I can > > > > understand or > > > > > > call > > > > > > > > " FOUL " if > > > > > > > > > > warranted. Can > > someone > > > > point me to a > > > > > > website > > > > > > > > that has > > > > > > > > > > a more complete > > picture with > > > > numbers > > > > > > and what > > > > > > > > they mean and > > > > > > > > > > how they > > interact? As an > > > > example, my > > > > > > Creatine > > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > has gone from > > 120something to > > > > 58 over > > > > > > the past 2 > > > > > > > > years, but > > > > > > > > > > what does that > > mean? How > > > > does that > > > > > > play into > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > whole thing? And > > my total > > > > test may be > > > > > > within > > > > > > > > > > acceptable but my > > SBGH is > > > > well over the > > > > > > labs > > > > > > > > limits. > > > > > > > > > > How does that > > play? And I > > > > find no > > > > > > reference to > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > " Normal " is for > > Free Test! > > > > I know I'm > > > > > > probably > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > myself crazy over > > this, but I > > > > figure > > > > > > some of the > > > > > > > > folks here > > > > > > > > > > may be able to > > point me to a > > > > good > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > source. > > > > > > > > > > Disclaimer, I know > > nobody > > > > here is a > > > > > > doctor > > > > > > > > (probably) and I > > > > > > > > > > know to see my > > physician, > > > > etc. I'm > > > > > > just trying > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > educate myself. > > If I don't > > > > learn > > > > > > about my > > > > > > > > health and > > > > > > > > > > trust the doctors, > > I deserve > > > > whatever > > > > > > outcome I > > > > > > > > get! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -fullfeatured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Yeah Phil, hang in there, I hope you feel better soon. I know that when I came off of the Zoloft, I was pretty miserable and irritable, for a few months, so I know what changing medications can do. I have no reason to complain today, because in spite of having an ED issue now and again, I basically feel pretty darn good. I haven't been in the shape I am in for long time. I am still losing weight too. I feel once I can get my weight down to about 190, I will feel even better. > > > > Sorry Mike but I hope it all gets better with me lately it's feeling like crap in the morning. I push my self to eat and clean up then I sit here and wait. I feel with me it's my sugar levels they are low in the morning because about an hour after I eat I feel better. Yes my wife if a bit much at times but I love her. > > Co-Moderator > > Phil > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Hope you feel better soon, Phil!! Flaco > > > > > > Sorry Mike but I hope it all gets better with me lately it's feeling like crap in the morning. I push my self to eat and clean up then I sit here and wait. I feel with me it's my sugar levels they are low in the morning because about an hour after I eat I feel better. Yes my wife if a bit much at times but I love her. > > > Co-Moderator > > > Phil > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Yes I have a gage and suffered from low cortisol levels and take HC for this. For yrs I suffered from low sugar until I went on HC meds. But now I am on Growth Hormone again need to Waite this out the GH lowers my sugar levels in the morning until I am on this about 3 months. So it is getting better. Co-Moderator Phil > From: mjbearit <mjbearit@...> > Subject: Re: Unfamiliar territory > > Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 11:04 AM > I hope you feel better soon. > This morning I feel much better myself. I pushed back > my hours at work to go in an hour later. I just wasn't > getting enough sleep. That extra hour makes a huge > difference! Luckily I work from home 2 days a week so > I do get some respite from the crazy office atmosphere. > I was diagnosed as insulin resistant years ago, they keep > trying to classify me as diabetic, but they just can't do it > because my numbers won't be consistantly high! Frustrates > the hell out of them! They want to measure my lipids > and BP and such against the diabetic chart and yell at me > and I keep telling them they can't do that, they have to use > the normal chart in which my numbers might be high, but are > in the normal range! > I would suggest you go out and get a glucose meter (no RX > required). If you are having issues with your BG > levels, you can track it and find out what different foods > do to you and the best times for you to eat, what exercise > does to you, etc. It is actually quite > revealing. It might give you some help in that you can > learn to wake up and take some fast acting simple carb if > you are low upon awaking. It really can help you plan > things in your life better. It has kept me off their > meds for about 8 years or so just by helping me to plan what > I eat and when. > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > mjbearit > > > > > <mjbearit@> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: > > > > > > > > Unfamiliar > > > > > > > territory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: > Saturday, > > > August 14, > > > > > 2010, 7:08 > > > > > > > PM > > > > > > > > > > > Long > story short, > > > I've felt > > > > > like crap > > > > > > > > > > > for a > couple years > > > now. Sex > > > > > is not > > > > > > > even of > > > > > > > > > interest > > > > > > > > > > > and isn't > happening > > > when I > > > > > " give in " . > > > > > > > Memory is > > > > > > > > > shot, > > > > > > > > > > > sleep > after every > > > meal > > > > > regardless of > > > > > > > diet (I can > > > > > > > > > stay awake, > > > > > > > > > > > but it is > a > > > monumental > > > > > task!), cannot > > > > > > > focus, > > > > > > > > > sleep sucks, > > > > > > > > > > > I'm an > empotional > > > wreck and > > > > > the list > > > > > > > goes on. A > > > > > > > > > couple > > > > > > > > > > > of weeks > ago I > > > noticed that > > > > > my left > > > > > > > testicle, > > > > > > > > > which has > > > > > > > > > > > always > been my big > > > one, has > > > > > gone from > > > > > > > slightly > > > > > > > > > smaller than > > > > > > > > > > > a > golfball to half > > > that > > > > > size. It is > > > > > > > now the > > > > > > > > > size of a > > > > > > > > > > > marble. > I > > > contacted the doc > > > > > and told > > > > > > > him I > > > > > > > > > wanted > > > > > > > > > > > tests > run. I am > > > however > > > > > very confused > > > > > > > by the > > > > > > > > > sheer > > > > > > > > > > > number of > various > > > numbers out > > > > > there and > > > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > > > that really > > > > > > > > > > > explains > > > everything. The > > > > > doc had the > > > > > > > labs do > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > urine and > blood and > > > I ended > > > > > up with > > > > > > > Albumin, > > > > > > > > > Microalbumin UR > > > > > > > > > > > QN, > total > > > testosterone, SHBG, > > > > > Total > > > > > > > Protein, > > > > > > > > > Globulin, > > > > > > > > > > > Creatine > urine, > > > > > > > Microalbumin/Creatine. The > > > > > > > > > total test > > > > > > > > > > > is > withing the labs > > > " normal " > > > > > range, > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > relize does not > > > > > > > > > > > mean > anything, and > > > I found a > > > > > calculator > > > > > > > to get > > > > > > > > > the Free > > > > > > > > > > > > Testosterone and > > > > > BioAvailable > > > > > > > Testosterone. > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > problem > is there is > > > too much > > > > > data (at > > > > > > > least in my > > > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > > state of > mind) that > > > I can't > > > > > find what > > > > > > > all these > > > > > > > > > numbers mean > > > > > > > > > > > when put > > > together. Those > > > > > tests just > > > > > > > posted on > > > > > > > > > Saturday > > > > > > > > > > > (today) > so I don't > > > expect to > > > > > hear from > > > > > > > my doc > > > > > > > > > until Monday > > > > > > > > > > > or later > in the > > > week. > > > > > However, I like > > > > > > > to have > > > > > > > > > my own > > > > > > > > > > > external > sources so > > > I can > > > > > understand or > > > > > > > call > > > > > > > > > " FOUL " if > > > > > > > > > > > > warranted. Can > > > someone > > > > > point me to a > > > > > > > website > > > > > > > > > that has > > > > > > > > > > > a more > complete > > > picture with > > > > > numbers > > > > > > > and what > > > > > > > > > they mean and > > > > > > > > > > > how they > > > interact? As an > > > > > example, my > > > > > > > Creatine > > > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > has gone > from > > > 120something to > > > > > 58 over > > > > > > > the past 2 > > > > > > > > > years, but > > > > > > > > > > > what does > that > > > mean? How > > > > > does that > > > > > > > play into > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > whole > thing? And > > > my total > > > > > test may be > > > > > > > within > > > > > > > > > > > > acceptable but my > > > SBGH is > > > > > well over the > > > > > > > labs > > > > > > > > > limits. > > > > > > > > > > > How does > that > > > play? And I > > > > > find no > > > > > > > reference to > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > " Normal " > is for > > > Free Test! > > > > > I know I'm > > > > > > > probably > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > > myself > crazy over > > > this, but I > > > > > figure > > > > > > > some of the > > > > > > > > > folks here > > > > > > > > > > > may be > able to > > > point me to a > > > > > good > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > source. > > > > > > > > > > > > Disclaimer, I know > > > nobody > > > > > here is a > > > > > > > doctor > > > > > > > > > (probably) and I > > > > > > > > > > > know to > see my > > > physician, > > > > > etc. I'm > > > > > > > just trying > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > educate > myself. > > > If I don't > > > > > learn > > > > > > > about my > > > > > > > > > health and > > > > > > > > > > > trust the > doctors, > > > I deserve > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > outcome I > > > > > > > > > get! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Groups > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -fullfeatured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -fullfeatured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Yes I hear you about the weight suffering from fatige and not getting any good exercise it's hard to lose weight. I have all I can do to keep from putting it on. Co-Moderator Phil > From: ed <edhill_2006@...> > Subject: Re: Unfamiliar territory > > Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 11:10 AM > Yeah Phil, hang in there, I hope you > feel better soon. I know that when I came off of the Zoloft, > I was pretty miserable and irritable, for a few months, so I > know what changing medications can do. > > I have no reason to complain today, because in spite of > having an ED issue now and again, I basically feel pretty > darn good. I haven't been in the shape I am in for long > time. I am still losing weight too. I feel once I can get my > weight down to about 190, I will feel even better. > > > > > > > > > Sorry Mike but I hope it all gets better with me > lately it's feeling like crap in the morning. I push > my self to eat and clean up then I sit here and wait. > I feel with me it's my sugar levels they are low in the > morning because about an hour after I eat I feel > better. Yes my wife if a bit much at times but I love > her. > > > Co-Moderator > > > Phil > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Thanks that made me feel better. Co-Moderator Phil > From: rndchemist <no_reply > > Subject: Re: Unfamiliar territory > > Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 11:26 AM > Hope you feel better soon, Phil!! > > Flaco > > > > > > > > > > Sorry Mike but I hope it all gets better > with me lately it's feeling like crap in the morning. > I push my self to eat and clean up then I sit here and > wait. I feel with me it's my sugar levels they are low > in the morning because about an hour after I eat I feel > better. Yes my wife if a bit much at times but I love > her. > > > > Co-Moderator > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Well take care and remember one lifesavers candy can do wonders! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > mjbearit > > > > > > <mjbearit@> > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: > > > > > > > > > > Unfamiliar > > > > > > > > territory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > Saturday, > > > > August 14, > > > > > > 2010, 7:08 > > > > > > > > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Long > > story short, > > > > I've felt > > > > > > like crap > > > > > > > > > > > > for a > > couple years > > > > now. Sex > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > even of > > > > > > > > > > interest > > > > > > > > > > > > and isn't > > happening > > > > when I > > > > > > " give in " . > > > > > > > > Memory is > > > > > > > > > > shot, > > > > > > > > > > > > sleep > > after every > > > > meal > > > > > > regardless of > > > > > > > > diet (I can > > > > > > > > > > stay awake, > > > > > > > > > > > > but it is > > a > > > > monumental > > > > > > task!), cannot > > > > > > > > focus, > > > > > > > > > > sleep sucks, > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm an > > empotional > > > > wreck and > > > > > > the list > > > > > > > > goes on. A > > > > > > > > > > couple > > > > > > > > > > > > of weeks > > ago I > > > > noticed that > > > > > > my left > > > > > > > > testicle, > > > > > > > > > > which has > > > > > > > > > > > > always > > been my big > > > > one, has > > > > > > gone from > > > > > > > > slightly > > > > > > > > > > smaller than > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > golfball to half > > > > that > > > > > > size. It is > > > > > > > > now the > > > > > > > > > > size of a > > > > > > > > > > > > marble. > > I > > > > contacted the doc > > > > > > and told > > > > > > > > him I > > > > > > > > > > wanted > > > > > > > > > > > > tests > > run. I am > > > > however > > > > > > very confused > > > > > > > > by the > > > > > > > > > > sheer > > > > > > > > > > > > number of > > various > > > > numbers out > > > > > > there and > > > > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > > > > that really > > > > > > > > > > > > explains > > > > everything. The > > > > > > doc had the > > > > > > > > labs do > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > urine and > > blood and > > > > I ended > > > > > > up with > > > > > > > > Albumin, > > > > > > > > > > Microalbumin UR > > > > > > > > > > > > QN, > > total > > > > testosterone, SHBG, > > > > > > Total > > > > > > > > Protein, > > > > > > > > > > Globulin, > > > > > > > > > > > > Creatine > > urine, > > > > > > > > Microalbumin/Creatine. The > > > > > > > > > > total test > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > withing the labs > > > > " normal " > > > > > > range, > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > relize does not > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > anything, and > > > > I found a > > > > > > calculator > > > > > > > > to get > > > > > > > > > > the Free > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Testosterone and > > > > > > BioAvailable > > > > > > > > Testosterone. > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > is there is > > > > too much > > > > > > data (at > > > > > > > > least in my > > > > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > > > state of > > mind) that > > > > I can't > > > > > > find what > > > > > > > > all these > > > > > > > > > > numbers mean > > > > > > > > > > > > when put > > > > together. Those > > > > > > tests just > > > > > > > > posted on > > > > > > > > > > Saturday > > > > > > > > > > > > (today) > > so I don't > > > > expect to > > > > > > hear from > > > > > > > > my doc > > > > > > > > > > until Monday > > > > > > > > > > > > or later > > in the > > > > week. > > > > > > However, I like > > > > > > > > to have > > > > > > > > > > my own > > > > > > > > > > > > external > > sources so > > > > I can > > > > > > understand or > > > > > > > > call > > > > > > > > > > " FOUL " if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warranted. Can > > > > someone > > > > > > point me to a > > > > > > > > website > > > > > > > > > > that has > > > > > > > > > > > > a more > > complete > > > > picture with > > > > > > numbers > > > > > > > > and what > > > > > > > > > > they mean and > > > > > > > > > > > > how they > > > > interact? As an > > > > > > example, my > > > > > > > > Creatine > > > > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > has gone > > from > > > > 120something to > > > > > > 58 over > > > > > > > > the past 2 > > > > > > > > > > years, but > > > > > > > > > > > > what does > > that > > > > mean? How > > > > > > does that > > > > > > > > play into > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > whole > > thing? And > > > > my total > > > > > > test may be > > > > > > > > within > > > > > > > > > > > > > > acceptable but my > > > > SBGH is > > > > > > well over the > > > > > > > > labs > > > > > > > > > > limits. > > > > > > > > > > > > How does > > that > > > > play? And I > > > > > > find no > > > > > > > > reference to > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > " Normal " > > is for > > > > Free Test! > > > > > > I know I'm > > > > > > > > probably > > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > > > myself > > crazy over > > > > this, but I > > > > > > figure > > > > > > > > some of the > > > > > > > > > > folks here > > > > > > > > > > > > may be > > able to > > > > point me to a > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > source. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Disclaimer, I know > > > > nobody > > > > > > here is a > > > > > > > > doctor > > > > > > > > > > (probably) and I > > > > > > > > > > > > know to > > see my > > > > physician, > > > > > > etc. I'm > > > > > > > > just trying > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > educate > > myself. > > > > If I don't > > > > > > learn > > > > > > > > about my > > > > > > > > > > health and > > > > > > > > > > > > trust the > > doctors, > > > > I deserve > > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > > outcome I > > > > > > > > > > get! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Groups > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -fullfeatured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -fullfeatured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Oh yeah, there is no way I could do it if I were fatigued! But once you get back to your ole self, and who knows, being on the HGH, you might feel even better than you had before. You will be able to do exercises. I am so glad that I decided to do something, when I hit 230. I am only 5'11 " , so I was pretty overweight. Down to 203 now. I had never been able to get past 208 in the past, so I feel like I am going to achieve my goal of 190 this time. The biggest key for me was to start eating properly. Cut out sugars, potato chips, soda's, and junk all together. I drink a lot of whey protein shakes too. Check out the video on this web page. This guy is an inspiration. He is a year older than me. http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-to-proper-plank-technique/ > > > > > > > > Sorry Mike but I hope it all gets better with me > > lately it's feeling like crap in the morning. I push > > my self to eat and clean up then I sit here and wait. > > I feel with me it's my sugar levels they are low in the > > morning because about an hour after I eat I feel > > better. Yes my wife if a bit much at times but I love > > her. > > > > Co-Moderator > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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