Guest guest Posted May 4, 2010 Report Share Posted May 4, 2010 I think you may be right. As Poppins said: " Enough is as good as a feast " . However the effect of testosterone replacement is so quick and dramatic, it often leaves us wanting more. I was 60 years old and felt 80 before starting TRT. After 2 1/2 years of TRT I feel great, better than I did at age 30 Now that I can exercise and work out, there is the temptation to see how far we can take it. I went from being a skinny 125 pounds at age 20 to a fat 180 lbs at 40 without ever becoming very muscular. Three years ago I couldn't change the tire on my daughter's Miata because I didn't have the strength to break loose the lug nut. Now, if wasn't worried about back injury, I could probably pick up the rear end of that small car. So year, I could probably get by with less " T " . However I know I can't keep turning back the biological clock forever and time will eventually catch up with me. I like the idea of having a bit of extra muscle in reserve to help me when that inevitable decline happens. My wife is a registered nurse in a long term acute care hospital, and has many horror stories about what happens when you become bedridden. The most important message is to keep moving and stay as active as you can. Another factor in your favor with low dosing is that you have some built-in reserve. If you find you need an extra boost the dosage can always be increased. Randy Hoops Springfield, MO > > Why are we shooting for testosterone levels in the 800 range if it means getting it there will cause elevated estrogen which then causes other problems? Lets say my testosterone numbers before getting on trt is 200 and I can get it to 500-600 by injecting 60-80mg a week instead of 100-150 wouldnt this be better? I know of two people whos testosterone numbers are below 700 and they both are energetic and happy people. My brother at 400 and brother in law at 660. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2010 Report Share Posted May 4, 2010 One thing we all need to know is Testosterone levels from your body are not the same as levels on TRT. As soon as you add Testosterone to your body it attacks it. Even when you eat food your body attacks the food so levels of a man not on TRT are not = to levels for a man on TRT. Some men eat up the T as fast as they take it I am one of them. As soon as I do a shot my body goes to work getting rid of it. To over come this I do shots more often every 3 days and it's a small price to pay to have to take Arimidex to keep Estradiol down and feel better. One needs to stop looking at levels and go by how you feel start low do labs if your not feeling good go up 20 to 25 mgs if doing shots hold this 8 weeks do labs if your still not feeling good go higher until you feel better. If you get to a point where your past the upper 1/3 of your labs range and your blood is getting thicker it might not be low Testosterone making you feel back look at your Adrenals and Thyroid and all that they make go bad. Co-Moderator Phil > From: andrenym007 <no_reply > > Subject: Is less better? > > Date: Monday, May 3, 2010, 9:53 PM > Why are we shooting for testosterone > levels in the 800 range if it means getting it there will > cause elevated estrogen which then causes other problems? > Lets say my testosterone numbers before getting on trt > is 200 and I can get it to 500-600 by injecting > 60-80mg a week instead of 100-150 wouldnt this be better? I > know of two people whos testosterone numbers are below 700 > and they both are energetic and happy people. My brother at > 400 and brother in law at 660. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2010 Report Share Posted May 4, 2010 Awesome Testimony Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Re: Is less better? I think you may be right. As Poppins said: " Enough is as good as a feast " . However the effect of testosterone replacement is so quick and dramatic, it often leaves us wanting more. I was 60 years old and felt 80 before starting TRT. After 2 1/2 years of TRT I feel great, better than I did at age 30 Now that I can exercise and work out, there is the temptation to see how far we can take it. I went from being a skinny 125 pounds at age 20 to a fat 180 lbs at 40 without ever becoming very muscular. Three years ago I couldn't change the tire on my daughter's Miata because I didn't have the strength to break loose the lug nut. Now, if wasn't worried about back injury, I could probably pick up the rear end of that small car. So year, I could probably get by with less " T " . However I know I can't keep turning back the biological clock forever and time will eventually catch up with me. I like the idea of having a bit of extra muscle in reserve to help me when that inevitable decline happens. My wife is a registered nurse in a long term acute care hospital, and has many horror stories about what happens when you become bedridden. The most important message is to keep moving and stay as active as you can. Another factor in your favor with low dosing is that you have some built-in reserve. If you find you need an extra boost the dosage can always be increased. Randy Hoops Springfield, MO > > Why are we shooting for testosterone levels in the 800 range if it means getting it there will cause elevated estrogen which then causes other problems? Lets say my testosterone numbers before getting on trt is 200 and I can get it to 500-600 by injecting 60-80mg a week instead of 100-150 wouldnt this be better? I know of two people whos testosterone numbers are below 700 and they both are energetic and happy people. My brother at 400 and brother in law at 660. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2010 Report Share Posted May 4, 2010 I have struggled with this issue. If you look at the distribution of values for men what you find is that generally, the T value is somewhere around 400 to 600 ng/dl for men not on TRT. There are papers that suggest a minimum of 500 is needed for all body functions to be optimal. I have tried to keep my total T low but unless I do frequent shots I go too low too fast. I process about 100 ng/dl per day so if I only start out at 600, in 2 days I am below the 500 mark. Bottom line is I don't want to do a IM shot every other day (even with a smaller needle) so I optimize it the best I can. I shoot 80 mg which gets my T up to ~ 1000. Over 7 days this drops to ~ 300 but I shoot HCG on days 5 and 6 which bumps me up by ~ 300 at the end of the 7 days so I bottom out at ~ 500 to 600. I also have to control E2 with arimidex and take Cialis every now and then. This has been about the best option for me - Arkansas From: andrenym007 <no_reply > Subject: Is less better? Date: Monday, May 3, 2010, 8:53 PM Â Why are we shooting for testosterone levels in the 800 range if it means getting it there will cause elevated estrogen which then causes other problems? Lets say my testosterone numbers before getting on trt is 200 and I can get it to 500-600 by injecting 60-80mg a week instead of 100-150 wouldnt this be better? I know of two people whos testosterone numbers are below 700 and they both are energetic and happy people. My brother at 400 and brother in law at 660. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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