Re: my symptoms of high E2

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In a message dated 5/14/2010 6:51:31 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,

nvestnyuth@... writes:

I am one of those people in the group who can't get my doctor to test my

E2. He just says it is not needed.

Then find a lab or an online test and do it yourself. Your doctor works for

*you*. He/she/it is your EMPLOYEE.

[Guest guest]

Dan,

Me thinks you need to remind your Doctor that he is working for you and

you want to know. Why do we put up with this crap? Would you let your

mechanic tell you that your flat tire doesn't need changing because it's

only flat on the bottom?

Just tell him you want to know what it is! Whether he understands why

you want to know isn't relevant at this point. Apparently you didn't get

your Arimidex from him but just tell him why your taking it and you want to

know how it is working and to be sure you don't go to low. He may be

concerned where you got it or that your taking it but tough! That's his

problem not yours but it is his business to help you watch out for your

health once he knows that you are taking it. How bad can this be anyhow.

Don't you think think your doctor has ever dealt with someone doing illegal

unsafe street drugs for worse reasons that what your doing. After all, and

you can tell him this, that you have consulted literature from one of the

top TRT doctors in the world and you are following that protocol with him or

with out him because you believe that is best for your health. Whether he

wants to learn it or except it, well that's his problem.

OK I understand your T may be low but be a man here! LOL, no offence

intended but I think you get what I am saying.

I wish I had sense enough like you did at age 40 to go to a doctor about

these issues when they first appeared instead of blaming them one everything

else but for 15 more years while I kept getting worse. Not to mention

Doctors wanting to give me antidepressants and every other kind of thing

that just made things worse. Just didn't know! Now we do, and are we going

to put up with it anymore just because some doctor is down on what he's not

up on. Brett

my symptoms of high E2

>I am one of those people in the group who can't get my doctor to test my

>E2. He just says it is not needed. I disagree with him but at the same

>time try to not make him upset because it took me a long time to find a

>doctor in my area who would test my T, lipids, adrenals, etc. Through an

>MRI and other test, he did find I had low T and started me on TRT over 2

>years ago. I am 40 yrs. of age and went for 10 years wondering what in the

>world was wrong with me!

>

> Along the way, I have found out from this helpful group and from personal

> experience, that there are many symptoms from low or high E2. For me, I

> can tell when my E2 goes high from the itchy feeling I get on my chest

> area and armpit area. I also get lumps or cysts under the skin on my

> chest. They are not like zits or pimples. They are under the skin and

> hard. They disappear after several days.

>

> For over a year I have been using over-the-counter ZMA and DIM, which I

> feel like has helped me since my Dr. is not fully up on TRT. I just

> started arimidex and am anxious to see the results. I am cutting the pill

> in 4 sections and taking one section every 3 days, as I learned from this

> group.

>

> Just thought I would share my symptoms of high E2.

>

> Thanks again to Phil & others for their knowledge.

>

> Dan

[Guest guest]

Dan doing this I am sure your going to feel much better if you have a problem

and need help doing this just ask.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: nvestnyuth <nvestnyuth@...>

> Subject: my symptoms of high E2

>

> Date: Friday, May 14, 2010, 9:50 PM

> I am one of those people in the group

> who can't get my doctor to test my E2.  He just says it

> is not needed.  I disagree with him but at the same

> time try to not make him upset because it took me a long

> time to find a doctor in my area who would test my T,

> lipids, adrenals, etc.  Through an MRI and other test,

> he did find I had low T and started me on TRT over 2 years

> ago.  I am 40 yrs. of age and went for 10 years

> wondering what in the world was wrong with me!

>

> Along the way, I have found out from this helpful group and

> from personal experience, that there are many symptoms from

> low or high E2.  For me, I can tell when my E2 goes

> high from the itchy feeling I get on my chest area and

> armpit area.  I also get lumps or cysts under the skin

> on my chest.  They are not like zits or pimples. 

> They are under the skin and hard.  They disappear after

> several days. 

>

> For over a year I have been using over-the-counter ZMA and

> DIM, which I feel like has helped me since my Dr. is not

> fully up on TRT.  I just started arimidex and am

> anxious to see the results.  I am cutting the pill in 4

> sections and taking one section every 3 days, as I learned

> from this group. 

>

> Just thought I would share my symptoms of high E2.

>

> Thanks again to Phil & others for their knowledge.

>

> Dan

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I remember all the crap I went through to get my Dr. to test and treat my

Estradiol levels. I later found out he was worried about my BCBS calling him

asking him why he was giving me a women's Cancer men to lower a Female Hormone.

And he felt they would not pay for this. I got mad and told him I don't care if

they pay for it I need it and want it. He gave in and the next time I seen him

I told him BCBS payed and it and the guy at the drug store told me he sells a

lot of Arimidex to men.

Now my Dr. has all his TRT men on it.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Brett Savage <brshop@...>

> Subject: Re: my symptoms of high E2

>

> Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 2:12 AM

> Dan,

>     Me thinks you need to remind your Doctor that

> he is working for you and

> you want to know.   Why do we put up with

> this crap?  Would you let your

> mechanic tell you that your flat tire doesn't need changing

> because it's

> only flat on the bottom?

>     Just tell him you want to know what it

> is!  Whether he understands why

> you want to know isn't relevant at this point. 

> Apparently you didn't get

> your Arimidex from him but just tell him why your taking it

> and you want to

> know how it is working and to be sure you don't go to

> low.  He may be

> concerned where you got it or that your taking it but

> tough!  That's his

> problem not yours but it is his business to help you watch

> out for your

> health once he knows that you are taking it.  How bad

> can this be anyhow.

> Don't you think think your doctor has ever dealt with

> someone doing illegal

> unsafe street drugs for worse reasons that what your

> doing.  After all, and

> you can tell him this, that you have consulted literature

> from one of the

> top TRT doctors in the world and you are following that

> protocol with him or

> with out him because you believe that is best for your

> health.  Whether he

> wants to learn it or except it, well that's his problem.

>     OK I understand your T may be low but be a

> man here!  LOL, no offence

> intended but I think you get what I am saying.

>     I wish I had sense enough like you did at age

> 40 to go to a doctor about

> these issues when they first appeared instead of blaming

> them one everything

> else but for 15 more years while I kept getting

> worse.  Not to mention

> Doctors wanting to give me antidepressants and every other

> kind of thing

> that just made things worse.  Just didn't know! 

> Now we do, and are we going

> to put up with it anymore just because some doctor is down

> on what he's not

> up on.    Brett

> my symptoms of high E2

>

>

> >I am one of those people in the group who can't get my

> doctor to test my

> >E2.  He just says it is not needed.  I

> disagree with him but at the same

> >time try to not make him upset because it took me a

> long time to find a

> >doctor in my area who would test my T, lipids,

> adrenals, etc.  Through an

> >MRI and other test, he did find I had low T and started

> me on TRT over 2

> >years ago.  I am 40 yrs. of age and went for 10

> years wondering what in the

> >world was wrong with me!

> >

> > Along the way, I have found out from this helpful

> group and from personal

> > experience, that there are many symptoms from low or

> high E2.  For me, I

> > can tell when my E2 goes high from the itchy feeling I

> get on my chest

> > area and armpit area.  I also get lumps or cysts

> under the skin on my

> > chest.  They are not like zits or pimples. 

> They are under the skin and

> > hard.  They disappear after several days.

> >

> > For over a year I have been using over-the-counter ZMA

> and DIM, which I

> > feel like has helped me since my Dr. is not fully up

> on TRT.  I just

> > started arimidex and am anxious to see the

> results.  I am cutting the pill

> > in 4 sections and taking one section every 3 days, as

> I learned from this

> > group.

> >

> > Just thought I would share my symptoms of high E2.

> >

> > Thanks again to Phil & others for their

> knowledge.

> >

> > Dan

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Amen to that Brett! This board and others I've seen are FULL of men who have

doctors that just don't have the expertise needed to help us. My doc wouldn't

run anything other than Total T and Free T. I specifically asked for E2 and I

was denied. It's not even an insurance thing as I pay cash.

Dan - get another doc; that's what I did. You don't want to keep playing " hit

and miss " with this. Eventually, you WILL need a doc with expertise in this so

you might as well get one now.

Be well....

Bill

________________________________

From: Brett Savage <brshop@...>

Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 2:12:24 AM

Subject: Re: my symptoms of high E2

Dan,

Me thinks you need to remind your Doctor that he is working for you and

you want to know. Why do we put up with this crap? Would you let your

mechanic tell you that your flat tire doesn't need changing because it's

only flat on the bottom?

Just tell him you want to know what it is! Whether he understands why

you want to know isn't relevant at this point. Apparently you didn't get

your Arimidex from him but just tell him why your taking it and you want to

know how it is working and to be sure you don't go to low. He may be

concerned where you got it or that your taking it but tough! That's his

problem not yours but it is his business to help you watch out for your

health once he knows that you are taking it. How bad can this be anyhow.

Don't you think think your doctor has ever dealt with someone doing illegal

unsafe street drugs for worse reasons that what your doing. After all, and

you can tell him this, that you have consulted literature from one of the

top TRT doctors in the world and you are following that protocol with him or

with out him because you believe that is best for your health. Whether he

wants to learn it or except it, well that's his problem.

OK I understand your T may be low but be a man here! LOL, no offence

intended but I think you get what I am saying.

I wish I had sense enough like you did at age 40 to go to a doctor about

these issues when they first appeared instead of blaming them one everything

else but for 15 more years while I kept getting worse. Not to mention

Doctors wanting to give me antidepressants and every other kind of thing

that just made things worse. Just didn't know! Now we do, and are we going

to put up with it anymore just because some doctor is down on what he's not

up on. Brett

my symptoms of high E2

>I am one of those people in the group who can't get my doctor to test my

>E2. He just says it is not needed. I disagree with him but at the same

>time try to not make him upset because it took me a long time to find a

>doctor in my area who would test my T, lipids, adrenals, etc. Through an

>MRI and other test, he did find I had low T and started me on TRT over 2

>years ago. I am 40 yrs. of age and went for 10 years wondering what in the

>world was wrong with me!

>

> Along the way, I have found out from this helpful group and from personal

> experience, that there are many symptoms from low or high E2. For me, I

> can tell when my E2 goes high from the itchy feeling I get on my chest

> area and armpit area. I also get lumps or cysts under the skin on my

> chest. They are not like zits or pimples. They are under the skin and

> hard. They disappear after several days.

>

> For over a year I have been using over-the-counter ZMA and DIM, which I

> feel like has helped me since my Dr. is not fully up on TRT. I just

> started arimidex and am anxious to see the results. I am cutting the pill

> in 4 sections and taking one section every 3 days, as I learned from this

> group.

>

> Just thought I would share my symptoms of high E2.

>

> Thanks again to Phil & others for their knowledge.

>

> Dan

[Guest guest]

Now, here is the thing.  Like a lot of men on TRT, I also have a Doctor that is

not fully up on TRT.  He is my second doctor.  The first one said I was

depressed and in the same sentence he grabbed his RX pad and started to write me

a RX for meds.  I had already researched my symptoms and told him of my

findings on TRT.  He said I was probably depressed!  I told him I wasn't and

would seek care elsewhere.  I found another doctor in my area who knew more and

was willing to help but he is not fully up on TRT but is alot better than the

first.

 

  See, I live in a small town of 2,000 people.  I would need to travel at

least 2 hours before having more choices of doctors.  So, I take what I can get

from my current doctor as he is only a 10 minute drive.  I receive 200mg

injection once per week.  In the beginning, 3 yrs. ago, we started out with

different injection amounts and times.  My doctor did listen to me as I

listened to what my body was saying.  He just feels I don't need to have my

E2 tested.  Even though I don't agree, it is not worth messing up a decent

relationship.  I would like to know what my number is, but it is not a must. 

The reason is, I have learned to listen to my body, be aware of symptoms and to

continue to seek information from the web.  Also, being a member of this group

has given me back time that was lost.  THANKS PHIL & OTHERS!

 

For example, my wife just told me yesterday that I was going through a mid-life

crisis.  She said I was acting like I was twenty yrs. old.  I said I am not

acting like I was 20 yrs. old but do FEEL like I am 20 yrs. old.  And I am

40!  After my last lab work came back, I just had a check-up from him 2 days

ago.  All is well! 

 

Thanks again to everyone who is a part of the group,

 

Dan

 

From: Bill Totten <bill_totten@...>

Subject: Re: my symptoms of high E2

Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 10:51 AM

 

Amen to that Brett! This board and others I've seen are FULL of men who have

doctors that just don't have the expertise needed to help us. My doc wouldn't

run anything other than Total T and Free T. I specifically asked for E2 and I

was denied. It's not even an insurance thing as I pay cash.

Dan - get another doc; that's what I did. You don't want to keep playing " hit

and miss " with this. Eventually, you WILL need a doc with expertise in this so

you might as well get one now.

Be well....

Bill

________________________________

From: Brett Savage <brshop@...>

Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 2:12:24 AM

Subject: Re: my symptoms of high E2

Dan,

Me thinks you need to remind your Doctor that he is working for you and

you want to know. Why do we put up with this crap? Would you let your

mechanic tell you that your flat tire doesn't need changing because it's

only flat on the bottom?

Just tell him you want to know what it is! Whether he understands why

you want to know isn't relevant at this point. Apparently you didn't get

your Arimidex from him but just tell him why your taking it and you want to

know how it is working and to be sure you don't go to low. He may be

concerned where you got it or that your taking it but tough! That's his

problem not yours but it is his business to help you watch out for your

health once he knows that you are taking it. How bad can this be anyhow.

Don't you think think your doctor has ever dealt with someone doing illegal

unsafe street drugs for worse reasons that what your doing. After all, and

you can tell him this, that you have consulted literature from one of the

top TRT doctors in the world and you are following that protocol with him or

with out him because you believe that is best for your health. Whether he

wants to learn it or except it, well that's his problem.

OK I understand your T may be low but be a man here! LOL, no offence

intended but I think you get what I am saying.

I wish I had sense enough like you did at age 40 to go to a doctor about

these issues when they first appeared instead of blaming them one everything

else but for 15 more years while I kept getting worse. Not to mention

Doctors wanting to give me antidepressants and every other kind of thing

that just made things worse. Just didn't know! Now we do, and are we going

to put up with it anymore just because some doctor is down on what he's not

up on. Brett

my symptoms of high E2

>I am one of those people in the group who can't get my doctor to test my

>E2. He just says it is not needed. I disagree with him but at the same

>time try to not make him upset because it took me a long time to find a

>doctor in my area who would test my T, lipids, adrenals, etc. Through an

>MRI and other test, he did find I had low T and started me on TRT over 2

>years ago. I am 40 yrs. of age and went for 10 years wondering what in the

>world was wrong with me!

>

> Along the way, I have found out from this helpful group and from personal

> experience, that there are many symptoms from low or high E2. For me, I

> can tell when my E2 goes high from the itchy feeling I get on my chest

> area and armpit area. I also get lumps or cysts under the skin on my

> chest. They are not like zits or pimples. They are under the skin and

> hard. They disappear after several days.

>

> For over a year I have been using over-the-counter ZMA and DIM, which I

> feel like has helped me since my Dr. is not fully up on TRT. I just

> started arimidex and am anxious to see the results. I am cutting the pill

> in 4 sections and taking one section every 3 days, as I learned from this

> group.

>

> Just thought I would share my symptoms of high E2.

>

> Thanks again to Phil & others for their knowledge.

>

> Dan

[Guest guest]

And thanks for the heads up on how your doing this is always great to read how

good men are doing.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

>

> From: Bill Totten <bill_totten@...>

> Subject: Re: my symptoms of high E2

>

> Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 10:51 AM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Amen to that Brett! This board and others I've seen are

> FULL of men who have doctors that just don't have the

> expertise needed to help us. My doc wouldn't run anything

> other than Total T and Free T. I specifically asked for E2

> and I was denied. It's not even an insurance thing as I pay

> cash.

>

> Dan - get another doc; that's what I did. You don't want to

> keep playing " hit and miss " with this. Eventually, you WILL

> need a doc with expertise in this so you might as well get

> one now.

>

> Be well....

> Bill

>

> ________________________________

> From: Brett Savage <brshop@...>

>

> Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 2:12:24 AM

> Subject: Re: my symptoms of high E2

>

> Dan,

> Me thinks you need to remind your Doctor that he is working

> for you and

> you want to know. Why do we put up with this crap? Would

> you let your

> mechanic tell you that your flat tire doesn't need changing

> because it's

> only flat on the bottom?

> Just tell him you want to know what it is! Whether he

> understands why

> you want to know isn't relevant at this point. Apparently

> you didn't get

> your Arimidex from him but just tell him why your taking it

> and you want to

> know how it is working and to be sure you don't go to low.

> He may be

> concerned where you got it or that your taking it but

> tough! That's his

> problem not yours but it is his business to help you watch

> out for your

> health once he knows that you are taking it. How bad can

> this be anyhow.

> Don't you think think your doctor has ever dealt with

> someone doing illegal

> unsafe street drugs for worse reasons that what your doing.

> After all, and

> you can tell him this, that you have consulted literature

> from one of the

> top TRT doctors in the world and you are following that

> protocol with him or

> with out him because you believe that is best for your

> health. Whether he

> wants to learn it or except it, well that's his problem.

> OK I understand your T may be low but be a man here! LOL,

> no offence

> intended but I think you get what I am saying.

> I wish I had sense enough like you did at age 40 to go to a

> doctor about

> these issues when they first appeared instead of blaming

> them one everything

> else but for 15 more years while I kept getting worse. Not

> to mention

> Doctors wanting to give me antidepressants and every other

> kind of thing

> that just made things worse. Just didn't know! Now we do,

> and are we going

> to put up with it anymore just because some doctor is down

> on what he's not

> up on. Brett

> my symptoms of high E2

>

> >I am one of those people in the group who can't get my

> doctor to test my

> >E2. He just says it is not needed. I disagree with him

> but at the same

> >time try to not make him upset because it took me a

> long time to find a

> >doctor in my area who would test my T, lipids,

> adrenals, etc. Through an

> >MRI and other test, he did find I had low T and started

> me on TRT over 2

> >years ago. I am 40 yrs. of age and went for 10 years

> wondering what in the

> >world was wrong with me!

> >

> > Along the way, I have found out from this helpful

> group and from personal

> > experience, that there are many symptoms from low or

> high E2. For me, I

> > can tell when my E2 goes high from the itchy feeling I

> get on my chest

> > area and armpit area. I also get lumps or cysts under

> the skin on my

> > chest. They are not like zits or pimples. They are

> under the skin and

> > hard. They disappear after several days.

> >

> > For over a year I have been using over-the-counter ZMA

> and DIM, which I

> > feel like has helped me since my Dr. is not fully up

> on TRT. I just

> > started arimidex and am anxious to see the results. I

> am cutting the pill

> > in 4 sections and taking one section every 3 days, as

> I learned from this

> > group.

> >

> > Just thought I would share my symptoms of high E2.

> >

> > Thanks again to Phil & others for their

> knowledge.

> >

> > Dan

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dan,

Low T is what causes " mid-life crisis "

Another thing you should consider is the emotional instability I was

experiencing and calling " depression, " I am now sure was being caused by the

rise in Estradiol that occurs later in the day after my T shot and the next

day. Taking Arimidex put a stop to that within the hour. Brett

Re: my symptoms of high E2

Now, here is the thing. Like a lot of men on TRT, I also have a Doctor that

is not fully up on TRT. He is my second doctor. The first one said I was

depressed and in the same sentence he grabbed his RX pad and started to

write me a RX for meds. I had already researched my symptoms and told him of

my findings on TRT. He said I was probably depressed! I told him I wasn't

and would seek care elsewhere. I found another doctor in my area who knew

more and was willing to help but he is not fully up on TRT but is alot

better than the first.

See, I live in a small town of 2,000 people. I would need to travel at least

2 hours before having more choices of doctors. So, I take what I can get

from my current doctor as he is only a 10 minute drive. I receive 200mg

injection once per week. In the beginning, 3 yrs. ago, we started out with

different injection amounts and times. My doctor did listen to me as I

listened to what my body was saying. He just feels I don't need to have my

E2 tested. Even though I don't agree, it is not worth messing up a decent

relationship. I would like to know what my number is, but it is not a must.

The reason is, I have learned to listen to my body, be aware of symptoms and

to continue to seek information from the web. Also, being a member of this

group has given me back time that was lost. THANKS PHIL & OTHERS!

For example, my wife just told me yesterday that I was going through a

mid-life crisis. She said I was acting like I was twenty yrs. old. I said I

am not acting like I was 20 yrs. old but do FEEL like I am 20 yrs. old. And

I am 40! After my last lab work came back, I just had a check-up from him 2

days ago. All is well!

Thanks again to everyone who is a part of the group,

Dan