Re: I ntroduction and labs

[Guest guest]

Testing E's is a waste of time you need your Estradiol E2 levels tested if they

are high this might well be your problem high E2 levels will bind up your Free T

levels and they are low and what counts. Free T is about 1 to 2% of your Total

T and in your case this is good. So check your E2 if it's high get it down and

recheck your levels.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jasrich <jasrich100@...>

> Subject: Re: Introduction and labs

>

> Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 11:03 AM

> What if my T isn't low? Would I still

> need TRT? These were my labs in March:

>

> Testosterone, Free Direct 11.0 (6.8-21.5)

> Testosterone, Serum 829 (28-800)

> Estrogens, Total 86 (40-115)

> Estrone, Serum 23 (12-72)

> IGF-1 205 (101-267)

> FSH 5.8 (1.5-12.4)

> LH 3.5 (1.7-8.6)

> Sex Horm Binding Glob 68.3 High (14.5-48.4)

>

> I assume that it would be better to see the sensitive E

> test done at the same time as the rest and I'm sure that Dr.

> will want to repeat these labs, but what might account

> for high T and low E?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > There some men that have low E2 levels and

> going on

> > > TRT with HCG will brind them up.  Shots work the

> best

> > > for me.

> > > > Co-Moderator

> > > > Phil

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Phil, I did test E2, as you suggested after I posted these labs the first time.

I had the Lab Corp Estradiol, Sensitive test done and it was 7. Unfortunately,

there were six weeks between the time that I had the labs below done and the E2

test that I had done last week. My question is what might account for my E2

being so low but T being high and why would I treat with TRT if my T is high?

Hi Barb! It's great to " see " you again and I'm happy for you that you and DH are

getting close to optimal. I'm still struggling quite a bit. I learned last year

that, in addition to Hashis, I have Graves disease so I have been on a cocktail

of Levoxyl, SRT3 and Tapazole, an anti-thyroid med, which, in low doses, brings

down Graves antibodies - mine have dropped from 265 to 66 (0-129% being normal).

This is the first time that my T3 has read high in three years of doing this. I

have a call in to my endo to ask whether we don't need to back the dose down a

little. I still feel like hell most of the time so I'm going to see Dr.

next month in the hopes that he can help me figure out what's up with my

hormones. No, I'm not bald. In fact, ever since my debacle with Armour and HC,

my hair has been great and it has stayed that way so far.

> > >

> > > The best levels for Estradiol in men is about 20 pg/ml

> > if you are to low this is just as bad as being to

> > high.  Estradiol is made from Testosterone some men

> > that are very low on Testosterone have very low levels of

> > Estradiol.  Going on TRT beings them levels back up

> > Shots work the best at this.

> > > Co-Moderator

> > > Phil

[Guest guest]

it dose not make sense to me unless one of the meds your on lower E2

levels. I don't remember if you said your on TRT of not. I have time of it

keeping up I talk to so many men. Men with normal or upper level of

Testosterone not on TRT can have a lower level of Estradiol. Dr. posted

about this at his Forum not long ago saying to a poster that his E2 was fine

because his SHBG was so low. I think the guys E2 was 10 and his SHBG was 13.

Men with a lower level of SHBG been to have there sugar check it can be high and

doing this.

I am sure Dr. will get to the bottom of all this he just did a Radio Show

on Thyroid I have not heard it yet but the guys at his forum say it was great.

Here is a link to the MP3 of the show:

http://www.superhumanradio.com/compo...R_Show_492.mp3

If it dose now work you can get it from his Forum at this link post #11.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jasrich <jasrich100@...>

> Subject: Re: I ntroduction and labs

>

> Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 7:10 PM

> Phil, I did test E2, as you suggested

> after I posted these labs the first time. I had the Lab Corp

> Estradiol, Sensitive test done and it was 7. Unfortunately,

> there were six weeks between the time that I had the labs

> below done and the E2 test that I had done last week. My

> question is what might account for my E2 being so low but T

> being high and why would I treat with TRT if my T is high?

>

> Hi Barb! It's great to " see " you again and I'm happy for

> you that you and DH are getting close to optimal. I'm still

> struggling quite a bit. I learned last year that, in

> addition to Hashis, I have Graves disease so I have been on

> a cocktail of Levoxyl, SRT3 and Tapazole, an anti-thyroid

> med, which, in low doses, brings down Graves antibodies -

> mine have dropped from 265 to 66 (0-129% being normal). This

> is the first time that my T3 has read high in three years of

> doing this. I have a call in to my endo to ask whether we

> don't need to back the dose down a little. I still feel like

> hell most of the time so I'm going to see Dr. next

> month in the hopes that he can help me figure out what's up

> with my hormones. No, I'm not bald. In fact, ever since my

> debacle with Armour and HC, my hair has been great and it

> has stayed that way so far.

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > The best levels for Estradiol in men is

> about 20 pg/ml

> > > if you are to low this is just as bad as being

> to

> > > high.  Estradiol is made from Testosterone some

> men

> > > that are very low on Testosterone have very low

> levels of

> > > Estradiol.  Going on TRT beings them levels back

> up

> > > Shots work the best at this.

> > > > Co-Moderator

> > > > Phil

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I requested to be removed from this group, why do I keep getting emails.

From: pmgamer18@...

Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 07:43:52 -0700

Subject: Re: Re: I ntroduction and labs

it dose not make sense to me unless one of the meds your on lower E2

levels. I don't remember if you said your on TRT of not. I have time of it

keeping up I talk to so many men. Men with normal or upper level of

Testosterone not on TRT can have a lower level of Estradiol. Dr. posted

about this at his Forum not long ago saying to a poster that his E2 was fine

because his SHBG was so low. I think the guys E2 was 10 and his SHBG was 13.

Men with a lower level of SHBG been to have there sugar check it can be high and

doing this.

I am sure Dr. will get to the bottom of all this he just did a Radio Show

on Thyroid I have not heard it yet but the guys at his forum say it was great.

Here is a link to the MP3 of the show:

http://www.superhumanradio.com/compo...R_Show_492.mp3

If it dose now work you can get it from his Forum at this link post #11.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jasrich <jasrich100@...>

> Subject: Re: I ntroduction and labs

>

> Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 7:10 PM

> Phil, I did test E2, as you suggested

> after I posted these labs the first time. I had the Lab Corp

> Estradiol, Sensitive test done and it was 7. Unfortunately,

> there were six weeks between the time that I had the labs

> below done and the E2 test that I had done last week. My

> question is what might account for my E2 being so low but T

> being high and why would I treat with TRT if my T is high?

>

> Hi Barb! It's great to " see " you again and I'm happy for

> you that you and DH are getting close to optimal. I'm still

> struggling quite a bit. I learned last year that, in

> addition to Hashis, I have Graves disease so I have been on

> a cocktail of Levoxyl, SRT3 and Tapazole, an anti-thyroid

> med, which, in low doses, brings down Graves antibodies -

> mine have dropped from 265 to 66 (0-129% being normal). This

> is the first time that my T3 has read high in three years of

> doing this. I have a call in to my endo to ask whether we

> don't need to back the dose down a little. I still feel like

> hell most of the time so I'm going to see Dr. next

> month in the hopes that he can help me figure out what's up

> with my hormones. No, I'm not bald. In fact, ever since my

> debacle with Armour and HC, my hair has been great and it

> has stayed that way so far.

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > The best levels for Estradiol in men is

> about 20 pg/ml

> > > if you are to low this is just as bad as being

> to

> > > high. Estradiol is made from Testosterone some

> men

> > > that are very low on Testosterone have very low

> levels of

> > > Estradiol. Going on TRT beings them levels back

> up

> > > Shots work the best at this.

> > > > Co-Moderator

> > > > Phil

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

go to , *my groups*, select *edit membership*, select *leave the group* El

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > The best levels for Estradiol in men is

>

> > about 20 pg/ml

>

> > > > if you are to low this is just as bad as being

>

> > to

>

> > > > high. Estradiol is made from Testosterone some

>

> > men

>

> > > > that are very low on Testosterone have very low

>

> > levels of

>

> > > > Estradiol. Going on TRT beings them levels back

>

> > up

>

> > > > Shots work the best at this.

>

> > > > > Co-Moderator

>

> > > > > Phil

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > ------------------------------------

>

> >

>

> >

[Guest guest]

I am sorry to see you leave all you needed to do to stop Emails from coming to

you is to click on Edit Membership and unclick your Email Address. I took you

off the list.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

>

>

> > From: jasrich <jasrich100@...>

>

> > Subject: Re: I ntroduction and labs

>

> >

>

> > Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 7:10 PM

>

> > Phil, I did test E2, as you suggested

>

> > after I posted these labs the first time. I had the

> Lab Corp

>

> > Estradiol, Sensitive test done and it was 7.

> Unfortunately,

>

> > there were six weeks between the time that I had the

> labs

>

> > below done and the E2 test that I had done last week.

> My

>

> > question is what might account for my E2 being so low

> but T

>

> > being high and why would I treat with TRT if my T is

> high?

>

> >

>

> > Hi Barb! It's great to " see " you again and I'm happy

> for

>

> > you that you and DH are getting close to optimal. I'm

> still

>

> > struggling quite a bit. I learned last year that, in

>

> > addition to Hashis, I have Graves disease so I have

> been on

>

> > a cocktail of Levoxyl, SRT3 and Tapazole, an

> anti-thyroid

>

> > med, which, in low doses, brings down Graves

> antibodies -

>

> > mine have dropped from 265 to 66 (0-129% being

> normal). This

>

> > is the first time that my T3 has read high in three

> years of

>

> > doing this. I have a call in to my endo to ask whether

> we

>

> > don't need to back the dose down a little. I still

> feel like

>

> > hell most of the time so I'm going to see Dr.

> next

>

> > month in the hopes that he can help me figure out

> what's up

>

> > with my hormones. No, I'm not bald. In fact, ever

> since my

>

> > debacle with Armour and HC, my hair has been great and

> it

>

> > has stayed that way so far.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > The best levels for Estradiol in men

> is

>

> > about 20 pg/ml

>

> > > > if you are to low this is just as bad as

> being

>

> > to

>

> > > > high.  Estradiol is made from

> Testosterone some

>

> > men

>

> > > > that are very low on Testosterone have very

> low

>

> > levels of

>

> > > > Estradiol.  Going on TRT beings them

> levels back

>

> > up

>

> > > > Shots work the best at this.

>

> > > > > Co-Moderator

>

> > > > > Phil

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > ------------------------------------

>

> >

>

> >