Re: So what is too low?

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info. It sounds like I may be planning for a bit high level of

HCG. I am not sure about a daily dose but but he said that I would likely need

about 1200 2-3 times a week. I am guessing it is closer to the 1200 2xweek as

he said a vial of 10,000i.u. would be monthly supply. That should be about 2400

for 7 days or just over 300 per day I guess. Sounds high but not terrible.

It looks like a lot of folks are taking HCG and Testosterone both and I will

not. In fact he said there is absolutely no way he would give me testosterone

as it would likely cause me to become primary as I am currently secondary with

low LH and FSH and still have great sperm count. But I guess if you give TST it

goes in the tank...So I am counting on the HCG.

I have to tell I am tempted...It may take up to two weeks to get my prescription

approved and sent by my insurance company. I am so looking forward to this as I

have the worst Testosterone numbers these docs have seen and I have felt lousey

for so long. I have been on Provigil, B12 shots, mega coffee, everything to

overcome this and I have a script now to overcome it. Here is the crazy thing,

my wife just got here script for HCG delivered yesterday and she is not going to

take it this month (fertility). I would so love to take it to get started. The

doc told me I would get the same package but would be injecting a smaller

amount. So my " cure " is sitting in the house, but I still have to wait a few

weeks until mine shows up. Of course I will wait until mine shows up...but I

really can't wait to feel better.

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> Be sure your not going on too much HCG for men with a pituitary problem or low

levels of LH and FSH doing 100 to 125 IU's a day will get your levels up. But

Dr. says doing more then 500 IU's a day can Desensitize your Testis to HCG

and you can become Primary.

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> Men using HCG for fertility do a high dose of HCG for a shot time be careful.

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> Go to www.allthingsmale.com and read TRT: A Recipe for Success and the HCG

Update.

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> Co-Moderator

> Phil

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[Guest guest]

Can you list what medications you are on for cholestorol, high blood pressure

and whatever else your doctor has you on? The reason why I am asking this is

there is a chance that one of your meds is making your testosterone levels so

low, and it may be worth thinking about tapering off some of the meds to see

what happens. I had a reaction to hydrocorathiazide, which is a water pill.

I am also trying to make a baby, I went on testosterone because I also could not

have penetrative sex, so my reasoning was to get at least to the point where its

possible, and then deal with the sperm count.

For the first few months I tried to be on hcg, but it increases my uric acid and

makes gout likely in me. My sperm count is down to low normal. I have figured

out how to balance out the uric acid, so I am on hcg consistently. Once my wife

gets pregnant, I am going to reduce my dose to a very low amount. the

testosterone works really well with me, and I look forward to being on mostly

the test, because hcg also makes my estradiol spike, where testosterone doesn't

as much.

I am about due for a sperm count to see where my numbers are

[Guest guest]

I don't think there are any major issues with medications. I am not on any

bloop pressure meds. I have low BP. Even needing to get some excersize and

lose some weight my BP has always been low-normal. But my cholesterol is

another thing. For more than 12 years I have been on statins as my untreated

cholesterol can hit 400.

~~Zetia 10 MG for Cholesterol

~~Simvistatin 40 MG (Cholesterol)

~~Topamax (Daily preventative for migraines)

Also I was on Kadian 30mg 2x day for chronic pain. But I stopped a couple of

months ago as I read that this one (morphine) could hurt things, but Is till

take hydrocodone as needed for nerve pain.

Also I stopped Lyrica when we started trying to get pregnant as I read that

Lyrica use in males can potentially cause sperm deformaties and potentially

birth defects (I had to discover this, the doctor was unaware).

So that's really it on a day-to-day basis, two cholesterol drugs and one

prophilatic migraine med. The only other thing is pain med as needed. I am

scriped more than I take as I know it can have an affect, but unfortunately I

just can't go without the meds right now. One interesting issue there. I was

hoping to get a cortisone shot as it was supposed to help with the pain. But I

have been advised that while the hormones are being tested and monitored, adding

cortisone is not a good idea as it will throw off my blood work, so I can't get

away from the pain meds.

One really interesting issue is I got all of my analysis back and reviewed. The

doc was even a bit shocked. Although I clearly have low Testosterone, and an

edrenal issue and a pituitary issue and even though the low T is in the brain

and not in the testis, the fact is my analysis shows a sperm count that was as

high as 181 million and went as low as 53 million but that was on the third

consecutive donation. He said with my T numbers he would not have expected me

to be producing much at all. So now I wonder if this is an odd form of the

" feedback loop " I am hearing about. Though my body is not making the

Testosterone, and it is not getting the signal fromt the brain to make it (Low

LH and FSH), but are the " boys " trying to compensate for everything else being

low by pumping up the only thing they can (sperm count)?

What a strange and wonderful and complex and crazy scientific wonder the human

body is. I for one can't possibly believe it is all the happenstance of

stardust, but that is best left to another time.

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> Can you list what medications you are on for cholestorol, high blood pressure

and whatever else your doctor has you on? The reason why I am asking this is

there is a chance that one of your meds is making your testosterone levels so

low, and it may be worth thinking about tapering off some of the meds to see

what happens. I had a reaction to hydrocorathiazide, which is a water pill.

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> I am also trying to make a baby, I went on testosterone because I also could

not have penetrative sex, so my reasoning was to get at least to the point where

its possible, and then deal with the sperm count.

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> For the first few months I tried to be on hcg, but it increases my uric acid

and makes gout likely in me. My sperm count is down to low normal. I have

figured out how to balance out the uric acid, so I am on hcg consistently. Once

my wife gets pregnant, I am going to reduce my dose to a very low amount. the

testosterone works really well with me, and I look forward to being on mostly

the test, because hcg also makes my estradiol spike, where testosterone doesn't

as much.

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> I am about due for a sperm count to see where my numbers are

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[Guest guest]

Are you treating your thyroid? Low thyroid causes high cholesterol. Long-term,

statins have horrible side effects. You have a thyroid deficiency, not a statin

deficiency

Low BP is low cortisol.

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> > Can you list what medications you are on for cholestorol, high blood

pressure and whatever else your doctor has you on? The reason why I am asking

this is there is a chance that one of your meds is making your testosterone

levels so low, and it may be worth thinking about tapering off some of the meds

to see what happens. I had a reaction to hydrocorathiazide, which is a water

pill.

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> > I am also trying to make a baby, I went on testosterone because I also could

not have penetrative sex, so my reasoning was to get at least to the point where

its possible, and then deal with the sperm count.

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> > For the first few months I tried to be on hcg, but it increases my uric acid

and makes gout likely in me. My sperm count is down to low normal. I have

figured out how to balance out the uric acid, so I am on hcg consistently. Once

my wife gets pregnant, I am going to reduce my dose to a very low amount. the

testosterone works really well with me, and I look forward to being on mostly

the test, because hcg also makes my estradiol spike, where testosterone doesn't

as much.

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> > I am about due for a sperm count to see where my numbers are

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