Re: Re: Optimal Total Testosterone Levels

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Barb I had charts at MESO Men's Health forum on peak levels of different types

or TRT shots doing a 200 mgs shot every 2 weeks would peak at 1800 on day 3 then

start falling men would peak at about 1500 on 100 mgs shots why there is not a

big difference I can't say but if he peaked at less then 1500 he is not to high.

And it's not about the dose of T for Estradiol it's about how much Aromatase he

has in his body. I am over weight in the last month I have lost 20 lbs and find

my E2 levels are not going up so fast.

So age weight low muscle make for higher Aromatase this makes Estradiol. I know

men doing 200 mgs at forums that don't have high Estradiol and don't need

anything to keep it down.

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Phil

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> > I find yor post interesting.

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> > I would think it would be more interesting to find out

> what his level is on day 5, before the shot. Your testing on

> his peak day, which from what I have read is day 3 or 4 on

> Tcyp. I would think, in this case, because of the low dose

> and length of time between shots, how low he's going before

> his shot would be more important. Just a thought.

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> > I aggree that the one size fits all approach isnt

> necessarily the way to go. for the majority, it may be, be

> there is always exceptions to any rule.

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> > Just curious, does he have to do anything to manage

> E2, or is it just not a problem?

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> > > I've been thinking about this and wanted to think

> out loud here.  In women, some are naturally high

> estrogen and some low.  The high estrogen ones are

> busty with hourglass figures.  The low estrogen ones

> are like Olympic volleyball players, tall, lean, fairly

> flat.  This is genetic and many of the women from the

> same family will have the same body type.  I'm guessing

> if you were to measure their estradiol levels, one type

> would be high, and the other low, but this is NORMAL for

> them.  Both types can be healthy and reproduce.

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> > > I would expect the same thing for men.  Some

> men are big, brawny, and muscular.  Others are just not

> as muscular.  And this is whether either type works out

> or not.  In fact, some men who work out just never get

> big, while others bulk up.  I'm assuming this has to do

> with natural testosterone levels. 

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> > > Well, if your body type upon graduating high

> school was lean, and all the men in your family are built

> that way, that seems to me to point to a naturally lower

> testosterone level.  I believe how deep your voice is,

> is another indicator.  DH is one of 4 boys, all average

> height and weight, not bulked up, with alto as opposed to

> bass voices.  3/4 have biological kids (1 married too

> late).  So now I'm wondering if this ideal goal to have

> total testosterone around 850+ is just an overdose for some,

> and that's why it's all turning to estradiol.  Dr.

> no says 650 is adequate, and I've found other sites

> that say 500+.

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> > > Well, you guys won't believe this, but DH is now

> taking .1 ml (20 mg) of TC every 5 days.  His total T

> tested at 862 on day 3 on 32 mg, so I figured he had room to

> lower.  He hasn't crashed yet and actually seems to be

> doing better.  We also added 25 mcg levothyroxine to

> his Erfa thyroid dose to raise his T4 into range, and that

> might be helping him use less TC too. 

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> > > Apparently thyroid raises SHBG, and adequate SHBG

> is necessary to make testosterone last.  I believe Dr.

> no said SHBG should be between 30-40.  The lower

> your SHBG, the more often you'll have to dose the

> testosterone.  It seems to me that quite a few of you

> could use thyroid meds too.

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> > > He does use a dab of my progesterone on his balls

> every night, so that may be another source of T, don't

> know.  I'd read somewhere that was a good way to

> counter estrogen. It does help him sleep and may also be a

> source of cortisol for him. 

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> > > Anyway, just thought I'd share.

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> > > Barb

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This is true we need to find the range we feel best at not going by labs. But

men need a place to start out some as they get up to the upper 1/3 of there labs

range find they feel worse going higher and stop where they feel best. I know a

lot of men posting there Dr. put them on TRT giving them gels of low dose T

shots and telling them there levels are fine.

So they come here or other forums and post if this were true why don't they feel

better. In my case my last Dr. told me my levels at 550 were great. My new Dr.

told me it must not be great I don't feel great. As my levels went up my

Estradiol levels went up. My Dr. told me this could happen and we could address

it with meds. I find it's a small price to pay to have to take Arimidex to keep

Estrdiol in check and feel better with higher levels of Testosterone I need to

be over 750 to feel better with top of range at 1100 for my labs.

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Phil

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> > So age weight low muscle make for higher Aromatase

> this makes Estradiol. I know men doing 200 mgs at forums

> that don't have high Estradiol and don't need anything to

> keep it down.

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Thanks for the post we need to hear form guys doing better.

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Phil

> From: gin2c <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Optimal Total Testosterone Levels

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> Date: Sunday, October 24, 2010, 9:18 AM

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> I am Klinefelters Mosaic.  Since puberity & boobs,

> I have had high E2 & low Testosterone.  This was my

> natural state. In later years I discovered this &

> started hormone corrections as have been discussed here. I

> feel much better with 800 T & 35 E2, &   Not 120

> T & 84 E2.

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> > > So age weight low muscle make for higher

> Aromatase this makes Estradiol. I know men doing 200 mgs at

> forums that don't have high Estradiol and don't need

> anything to keep it down.

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