Re: Can't start T until PSA gets WAAAAAY down...

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I can't tell you what to do but PSA being high like this and your not

having cancer means some thing in your body is making this high. My self I

would not wait until PSA was down to treat this. I get PSA done 4 x's a yr and

it's all over the place. My Dr. and I got into it over this I told him he needs

to tell me when he is running this test if I had sex the day before levels will

run higher then there is lab error.

Too many man had Prostate Cancer with low PSA levels your suffering for nothing.

Higher levels of Estradiol with lower levels of testosterone can drive your

prostate nuts. I got my Estradiol levels down and my Prostate when down.

http://compassionateoncology.org/pdfs/TRTHandout.pdf

Co-Moderator

Phil

> I'm 64, with non-insulin diabetes, low thyroid, prostate

> issues, and extreme obesity

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> (5-11, 275 lbs--due in some part to " bad " meds, and other

> things beyond my control).My PSA was around 4.5 about 5

> years ago, and zoomed up to 20(!!) three years back--a

> biopsy was thankfully negative, and PSA after 2-3 yrs is now

> down around 10. TOO SLOW!!  Last summer, my T was about 70,

> when the normal range is 250--850.  I don't know whether my

> lethargy, weakness, sleeping problems, mental fog, etc are

> due to very low T, or thyroid, or pituitary problems, or

> what.  (Have located an OD in Raleigh, however, who is

> reportedly enlightened and caring--though can't say yet what

> problems she covers...)My urologist was futzing around with

> my bladder when I last saw him (Jan this year).  Haven't

> gone back because he Rxed Ditropan, which can RAISE

> PSA--little confidence in him now, though not a lot of uros

> to choose from around here. But need to bite the bullet.I've

> got to get my PSA down before I can have T replacement (or

> estrogen lowering, if that can

> also help one lose weight?).My prostate is something like

> 84 gms(??)--over twice normal size.  Doesn't prostate size

> affect PSA?  If that has been proven, does thermal

> treatment to reduce its size lower PSA?  What other methods

> are there that are safe and effective?  I'd rather not take

> Finesteride, with its side effects, if there are better

> ways...Grateful for any insights and

>

advice,____________________________________________________________________\

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[Guest guest]

Go figure,.....my E2 is 52 and my last Total T was 323. Just had my PSA done,

and it is the same as it has been for 5/6 years as in .5. mine never seems to

change which I guess is good.

Isn't saw palmetto supposed to reduce prostate swelling as in BPH?

If size increases PSA maybe this would help.

>

> I can't tell you what to do but PSA being high like this and your not

having cancer means some thing in your body is making this high. My self I

would not wait until PSA was down to treat this. I get PSA done 4 x's a yr and

it's all over the place. My Dr. and I got into it over this I told him he needs

to tell me when he is running this test if I had sex the day before levels will

run higher then there is lab error.

>

> Too many man had Prostate Cancer with low PSA levels your suffering for

nothing.

>

> Higher levels of Estradiol with lower levels of testosterone can drive your

prostate nuts. I got my Estradiol levels down and my Prostate when down.

> http://compassionateoncology.org/pdfs/TRTHandout.pdf

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

[Guest guest]

They say saw palmetto will reduce prostate swelling as in BPH but it never did

this for men later I found out all it does is lower DHT levels in the prostate

not your body. I fixed my BPH getting my Estraidol levels down after suffering

from it for many yrs with no help even had surgery.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: Can't start T until PSA gets WAAAAAY down...

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> Date: Saturday, October 23, 2010, 11:48 AM

> Go figure,.....my E2 is 52 and my

> last Total T was 323. Just had my PSA done, and it is the

> same as it has been for 5/6 years as in .5. mine never seems

> to change which I guess is good.

>

> Isn't saw palmetto supposed to reduce prostate swelling as

> in BPH?

> If size increases PSA maybe this would help.

>

>

> >

> > I can't tell you what to do but PSA being high

> like this and your not having cancer means some thing in

> your body is making this high.  My self I would not

> wait until PSA was down to treat this.  I get PSA done

> 4 x's a yr and it's all over the place.  My Dr. and I

> got into it over this I told him he needs to tell me when he

> is running this test if I had sex the day before levels will

> run higher then there is lab error.

> >

> > Too many man had Prostate Cancer with low PSA levels

> your suffering for nothing.

> >

> > Higher levels of Estradiol with lower levels of

> testosterone can drive your prostate nuts. I got my

> Estradiol levels down and my Prostate when down.

> > http://compassionateoncology.org/pdfs/TRTHandout.pdf

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

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[Guest guest]

Phil,....I wouldn't know whether it works or not, as so far my prostate is fine.

I have an older friend that shoots at the same range as I do that has used it

for a couple of years. He seems to swear by it for BPH.

He took one of the scrip drugs first, but had side effects and went to saw

palmetto.

>

> They say saw palmetto will reduce prostate swelling as in BPH but it never

did this for men later I found out all it does is lower DHT levels in the

prostate not your body. I fixed my BPH getting my Estraidol levels down after

suffering from it for many yrs with no help even had surgery.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

[Guest guest]

I have guys posting to me at other forums that doing high amounts of Saw P

messed up there Testosterone levels and libido much the same way Propecia dose

to some men.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: Can't start T until PSA gets WAAAAAY down...

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> Date: Saturday, October 23, 2010, 1:11 PM

> Phil,....I wouldn't know whether it

> works or not, as so far my prostate is fine.

>

> I have an older friend that shoots at the same range as I

> do that has used it for a couple of years. He seems to swear

> by it for BPH.

> He took one of the scrip drugs first, but had side effects

> and went to saw palmetto.

>

>

> >

> > They say  saw palmetto will reduce prostate

> swelling as in BPH but it never did this for men later I

> found out all it does is lower DHT levels in the prostate

> not your body.  I fixed my BPH getting my Estraidol

> levels down after suffering from it for many yrs with no

> help even had surgery.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

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[Guest guest]

Well that would certainly make sense to me since they are both meant to inhibit

DHT.

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> I have guys posting to me at other forums that doing high amounts of Saw P

messed up there Testosterone levels and libido much the same way Propecia dose

to some men.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil