Re: my doctors appt....want your opinion

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You got yourself in a medical jam for abusing an illicit drug yet Endo's are

ignorant? I wish I had part of your life, that part of a normal body including

package. I have to 'PE' nearly everyday while dealing with being primary and

other health / life stuff. Hey, my advice is to continue to educate and take

care of your body. I hope you were very disclosing about your drug dependency

and its consequences to all your docs. Please no more mentioning your cock size

before and after low T and good luck .

my doctors appt....want your opinion

ok, I have been off of trt for about 6 months, my lastest levels are

lh 4

fsh 6

testosterone 260 250-1000

again doc says I am doing fine and my levels aren't bad...this despite the

symmptons...again endos think the system will restart if they cant find anything

wrong. why are endo's so ignorant about steroid induced hypogonadism??

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My Heart Dr. was an Endo in Italy treating people for all hormones and Pituitary

Problems. When he met me he told me he knows all about my problems he said in

Italy he was an Endo.

I told him Wow here in the USA Endo's are not up on Hormones he agreed with me

told me this is why he switched to being a Heart Dr.

He said he never seen such bad Dr.'s in his life as the Endo's here in the USA.

This Dr. telling you your fine is to me nuts your not fine and your not going to

get your levels back up doing nothing.

See Hardasnails or Dr. and try a ReStart if they can't get your levels up

go back on TRT.

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Phil

> From: justinm <jtmoy19607@...>

> Subject: my doctors appt....want your opinion

>

> Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 1:18 AM

> ok, I have been off of trt for about

> 6 months, my lastest levels are

>

> lh 4

>

> fsh 6

>

> testosterone 260  250-1000

>

> again doc says I am doing fine and my levels aren't

> bad...this despite the symmptons...again endos think the

> system will restart if they cant find anything wrong. why

> are endo's so ignorant about steroid induced hypogonadism??

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Need to look at other factors if LH is normal such as nutrition, lifestyle,

stress management, cortisol, e2, thyroid and factors that may be binding these

making them unavailable to body. I say give it 3 months working with a good

practioner looking at the root cause then if that does not work go back on TRT.

>

> > From: justinm <jtmoy19607@...>

> > Subject: my doctors appt....want your opinion

> >

> > Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 1:18 AM

> > ok, I have been off of trt for about

> > 6 months, my lastest levels are

> >

> > lh 4

> >

> > fsh 6

> >

> > testosterone 260  250-1000

> >

> > again doc says I am doing fine and my levels aren't

> > bad...this despite the symmptons...again endos think the

> > system will restart if they cant find anything wrong. why

> > are endo's so ignorant about steroid induced hypogonadism??

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

There are men who's free T levels cannot go up into the 'normal' range of

600-1200. It doesn't mean his Endo doc isn't qualified, its just bad luck. Some

men perform life normally below the range above while on TRT. The expectation

that every man here with low T varies and we should say this rather than saying

everyman can be 'restarted'. Just my thoughts

my doctors appt....want your opinion

>

> Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 1:18 AM

> ok, I have been off of trt for about

> 6 months, my lastest levels are

>

> lh 4

>

> fsh 6

>

> testosterone 260  250-1000

>

> again doc says I am doing fine and my levels aren't

> bad...this despite the symmptons...again endos think the

> system will restart if they cant find anything wro

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[Guest guest]

What are you talking about it's bad luck low Free testosteone means your not

using the Testosterone in your body it's all bound up. What dose this is high

SHBG most of the time due to high Estradiol levels.

http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html

Here is a good cut and paste from this link. As you will see it's not bad luck.

http://tinyurl.com/4hvrv4q

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Now that I'm certain you're all experts in Testosterone production (and there

will be a test at the end — I'm serious!), I'd like to address one more

important issue that will come up later in the article with regard to

Testosterone in the body. When Testosterone is converted from cholesterol in the

leydig cells of the testis, it's released into the blood stream where it embarks

on an anabolic adventure.

However, when in the blood, 60% of the big T released from the boys down below

is bound up by a protein known as SHBG, or sex-hormone binding globulin. SHBG is

produced and released by the liver. The important point is that the Testosterone

bound to SHBG is biologically inactive and this is why there's an important

distinction between total T and bioavailable T.

Total T represents all the Testosterone in the blood, while bioavailable T

represents the non SHBG bound Testosterone. There are other proteins in the

blood that bind Testosterone, too, but their binding is rather weak, so this T

is bioavailable and these proteins can still enter the cells to produce and

effect all the things we're interested in.

As I said, bioavailable T represents the Testosterone that is not SHBG bound,

while free T represents the Testosterone that's not bound to any blood proteins

at all. It's tricky, I know, but I hope that it's now evident that although only

about 2% of the T in blood is technically considered free T, there is a larger

percentage of T (about 40% or so) that is bioavailable because it's only weakly

bound to non SHBG blood proteins.

I'm taking you through this complex path for good reason. When trying to

increase T levels in the body, one must attempt to not only increase total T.

More importantly, one must attempt to increase bioavailable T. If you increase

total T, but you increase SHBG to a larger extent, they you will actually have

less bioavailable T for muscle building purposes!

A great example of this is the use of both thyroid drugs and tamoxifen

(nolvadex). Both may increase total T levels in the body, but both also increase

SHBG to a large extent. Although you may get a bit of a T surge with each

(hurray!), the increase in SHBG may bind up any extra, and actually decrease

your bioavailable T (boo!).

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: justinm <jtmoy19607@...>

> > Subject: my doctors appt....want your

> opinion

> >

> > Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 1:18 AM

> > ok, I have been off of trt for about

> > 6 months, my lastest levels are

> >

> > lh 4

> >

> > fsh 6

> >

> > testosterone 260  250-1000

> >

> > again doc says I am doing fine and my levels aren't

> > bad...this despite the symmptons...again endos think

> the

> > system will restart if they cant find anything wro

>

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I got myself into that mess years ago when I was an ignorant teenager, endos are

ignorant and arrogantly so, my symptons match low t levels and my levels are low

and a gnrh stim. test works for me. ok, I won't mention it. PE..what do you

mean?

>

> You got yourself in a medical jam for abusing an illicit drug yet Endo's are

ignorant? I wish I had part of your life, that part of a normal body including

package. I have to 'PE' nearly everyday while dealing with being primary and

other health / life stuff. Hey, my advice is to continue to educate and take

care of your body. I hope you were very disclosing about your drug dependency

and its consequences to all your docs. Please no more mentioning your cock size

before and after low T and good luck .

>

> my doctors appt....want your opinion

>

>

> ok, I have been off of trt for about 6 months, my lastest levels are

>

> lh 4

>

> fsh 6

>

> testosterone 260 250-1000

>

> again doc says I am doing fine and my levels aren't bad...this despite the

symmptons...again endos think the system will restart if they cant find anything

wrong. why are endo's so ignorant about steroid induced hypogonadism??

>

>

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[Guest guest]

PE = penile enlargement. In your original post (message #68683), you mentioned

shrinkage. Although some report this side effect and some don't, I think it's

possible with certain steroids, especially those like nandrolone/deca durabolin.

I wonder if nandrolone messes with how the body converts testosterone to

dihydrotestosterone (DHT).

DHT is essential for penis health, as anyone who has experienced erectile

dysfunction from using propecia or avodart can attest (both meds block DHT

production). DHT (in conjunction with growth hormone, estrogen, and other

hormones) is definitely part of the equation in penis size and function, as boys

born without the ability to convert testosterone to DHT have underdeveloped

penises.

As you've experienced, mentioning steroid usage to physicians isn't all that

beneficial in the long run. Many will be prejudiced in their treatment,

attribute future symptoms/conditions to your potential relapse into steroid use

again, etc. Or, they will believe that you have in fact discontinued steroid

use, but that your current symptoms are simply prolonged side effects, and the

docs may do little to treat them because of their prejudice/ignorance.

Regardless of how well the physician handles your revelation, he will have to

note your use of steroids on your medical record, which will follow you if you

get in a court case, change doctors, etc. Not the end of the world, but a

reality.

Now, to your point about your testosterone result, it is not rocket science to

realize that 260 is barely above the lab's threshold for low T. Further, basic

statistics allows for some margin of error, which could easily put you below

that threshold. It is unreasonable to expect (though some do seem to function

the same regardless of T levels) that someone with 260 ng/dL T would function as

well as someone with 900 ng/dL. You need a doctor who can realize this- tell us

what city you're in so we can see if we can find a better doctor.

It's worth getting your DHT tested too. Unless you get a good doc, you will

probably not get a lab requisition for this hormone. You can order it yourself

from a variety of places. It may be " low normal " or below the reference range.

Even though Androgel has its problems (doesn't elevate T that much), it converts

to DHT quite well. If you track your levels (and have insurance to cover

Androgel), you might be able to test how you function at a higher level of DHT.

Converting more T to DHT rather than estrogen can have a side benefit of

reducing your estrogen (though Androgel might potentially raise estrogen too, so

you'd have to track it).

~Xian

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> > You got yourself in a medical jam for abusing an illicit drug yet Endo's are

ignorant? I wish I had part of your life, that part of a normal body including

package. I have to 'PE' nearly everyday while dealing with being primary and

other health / life stuff. Hey, my advice is to continue to educate and take

care of your body. I hope you were very disclosing about your drug dependency

and its consequences to all your docs. Please no more mentioning your cock size

before and after low T and good luck .

> >

> > my doctors appt....want your opinion

> >

> >

> > ok, I have been off of trt for about 6 months, my lastest levels are

> >

> > lh 4

> >

> > fsh 6

> >

> > testosterone 260 250-1000

> >

> > again doc says I am doing fine and my levels aren't bad...this despite the

symmptons...again endos think the system will restart if they cant find anything

wrong. why are endo's so ignorant about steroid induced hypogonadism??

> >

> >

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thanks for the info and feedback. yes, I did have " shrinkage " , I think it was

the age I took the roids and the stopping cold, at age of 18 and it was 3 days

after I stopped cold....I didn't give my brain time to react and restart its own

production. so, I had low t, low dht, low lh and fsh, but probably high

estrogen. stopping cold was a nono. I don't know why my gnrh won't wake up

though after all these years? I steroid I took I beleive was methyltestosterone.

I do tell all my doctors I took steroids.

they don't spend a lot of time in med school on hormones, as the system is

suppose to restart or keep a homeostatis.

>your point about t levels and how it effects people, it seems from studies

thatt I read, people who were hypersexual are effected worse by hypogonadism (no

duh)and I was at the age of 18 before all of this started who isn't hypersexual.

any replacement helps me better then none, but endos don't want to give me any

TRT. Unless estrogen gets too high when on trt, then sex function is effected

and moodiness. I do have to watch out for sleep apnea and polycythemia when on

trt.

> and about androgel, you are right certain levels need to be checked. my

testostterone does rise when on it, a lot, but never had estrogen checked when

on it.

> as far as where I live, in Reading, PA....I did see Dr. shippen years ago he

is local, but the HCG dose he gave me was too high, now he treats with lower

dose, but isn't taking new patients...it has been over 5 years, they consider me

a new patient.

> > >

> > > You got yourself in a medical jam for abusing an illicit drug yet Endo's

are ignorant? I wish I had part of your life, that part of a normal body

including package. I have to 'PE' nearly everyday while dealing with being

primary and other health / life stuff. Hey, my advice is to continue to educate

and take care of your body. I hope you were very disclosing about your drug

dependency and its consequences to all your docs. Please no more mentioning your

cock size before and after low T and good luck .

> > >

> > > my doctors appt....want your opinion

> > >

> > >

> > > ok, I have been off of trt for about 6 months, my lastest levels are

> > >

> > > lh 4

> > >

> > > fsh 6

> > >

> > > testosterone 260 250-1000

> > >

> > > again doc says I am doing fine and my levels aren't bad...this despite

the symmptons...again endos think the system will restart if they cant find

anything wrong. why are endo's so ignorant about steroid induced hypogonadism??

> > >

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[Guest guest]

Two doctors in PA who are seeing patients:

1) Dr. Overbeck

484-868-0916

1100 fayette st

Conshohocken, PA 19428

His email is listed in the physician reference for this group. Click on the

" Database " link to the left and then click " Physician Reference " .

2) Dr. Henry Lindner

HormoneRestoration.com

166 West Tioga Street

Tunkhannock, Pennsylvania 18657

Tel.: 570-955-3495

henry@...

~Xian

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> > > > You got yourself in a medical jam for abusing an illicit drug yet Endo's

are ignorant? I wish I had part of your life, that part of a normal body

including package. I have to 'PE' nearly everyday while dealing with being

primary and other health / life stuff. Hey, my advice is to continue to educate

and take care of your body. I hope you were very disclosing about your drug

dependency and its consequences to all your docs. Please no more mentioning your

cock size before and after low T and good luck .

> > > >

> > > > my doctors appt....want your opinion

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ok, I have been off of trt for about 6 months, my lastest levels are

> > > >

> > > > lh 4

> > > >

> > > > fsh 6

> > > >

> > > > testosterone 260 250-1000

> > > >

> > > > again doc says I am doing fine and my levels aren't bad...this despite

the symmptons...again endos think the system will restart if they cant find

anything wrong. why are endo's so ignorant about steroid induced hypogonadism??

> > > >

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