Re: Back from Dr, need some help

[Guest guest]

How much T did you inject? Where did you get it from?

>

> Well I didn't get all the answers, but that is the case with many of our

> ailments. It does appear that I have something going on outside of low T.

>

> Here are my out of range labs (Quest):

>

> HDL 33 mg/dL (40+)

> Creatinine 1.48 mg/dL (0.9-1.33)

> eGFR 55 mL/min/1.73m2 (60+)

> Albumin/Globulin Ratio 2.2 (1.0-2.1, Alb=4/8, Glob=2.2)

> Dihydrotestosterone 21 ng/dL (25-75)

> Absolute EOSINOPHILS 0 cells/uL (15-500) /Dr said this was the

> first time he has seen this/

> Testosterone 201 ng/dL (250-1100)

> Free Testosterone 42.4 pg/mL (35-155)

>

> Everything else is normal, but things that may be of interest:

>

> Vitamin D 74 ng/mL (30-100) [i have been taking

> 10k IU per day with vitamin K]

> Cholesterol total 149 mg/dL (125-200)

> Triglycerides 72 mg/dL (<150)

> LDL Cholesterol 102 mg/dL (<130)

> TSH 1.50 mIU/L (0.40-4.50)

> Negative for TSH Antibody

> T4 Free 1.3 ng/dL (0.8-1.8)

> T3 Free 2.9 pg/mL (2.3-4.2)

> SHBG 21 nmol/L (8-48)

> Estradiol Ultrasensitive <2 pg/mL (< OR = 29)

> IGF 1 329 ng/mL (64-334)

> Estrone 17 pq/mL (< OR = 68)

> Estriol <0.10 ng/mL (< OR = 0.18)

> DHEA Sulfate 269 mcg/dL (110-370)

> FSH 6.2 mIU/mL (1.6-8.0)

> LH 2.0 mIU/mL (1.5-9.3)

> Cortisol 9.0 mcg/dL (4-22)

>

> If there is something else I probably have it just did not type it in so

> ask if its crucial.

>

> The Dr was concerned about the Creatinine and the eGFR, I have been

> reading on this, I think it may be due to the additional muscle mass I

> have (I am stalky) as I have read bodybuilders can have a normal reading

> of 2 simply because of the muscle mass they carry.

>

> I have no idea about the EOSINOPHILS, these are supposed to be related

> to allergies but it could indicate a bacterial infection from what I gather.

>

> HDL has been low always, although in the past I was closer to the

> borderline at ~37. My overall cholesterol is down though, I had been

> working on losing weight for the past ~ 2 months and eating better. I

> take slow niacin at night with policosanol now, so I expected it was

> going to go up but its down.

>

> Obviously not converting T to E or DHT, FSH is good but LH is low, not

> really sure why.

>

> I have more labs on Friday to do, urine test and more blood labs.

>

> I went ahead and did a T shot today, to see how this makes me feel since

> I never really got into normal ranges with Androgel before. I think it

> is possible that my low T is just causing extra stress on top of my HIGH

> stress job, and its driving the rest of my system out of whack so wanted

> to try this. The Dr is open to using HCG instead, if I feel good on T

> we will start HCG next week and eventually make that the only therapy.

>

> I still don't see any reason why my HPTA is not telling my body to

> produce T though, maybe more labs will help.

>

> BR//Matt

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

200mg I believe, it was a 2 week shot, I have labs next Friday and he

said that I would probably be in the middle range of the T shot by

then. Its T cypionate btw.

I mainly did this to see how I feel with normalized T levels, I know low

T makes you anxious/frustrated a lot, and my job has a lot of things to

add stress to this (like chaotic night+days 70+hr weeks fairly frequently).

BR//Matt

On 2/11/2011 5:50 PM, cvictorg wrote:

>

> How much T did you inject? Where did you get it from?

>

>

> >

> > Well I didn't get all the answers, but that is the case with many of

> our

> > ailments. It does appear that I have something going on outside of

> low T.

> >

> > Here are my out of range labs (Quest):

> >

> > HDL 33 mg/dL (40+)

> > Creatinine 1.48 mg/dL (0.9-1.33)

> > eGFR 55 mL/min/1.73m2 (60+)

> > Albumin/Globulin Ratio 2.2 (1.0-2.1, Alb=4/8, Glob=2.2)

> > Dihydrotestosterone 21 ng/dL (25-75)

> > Absolute EOSINOPHILS 0 cells/uL (15-500) /Dr said this was the

> > first time he has seen this/

> > Testosterone 201 ng/dL (250-1100)

> > Free Testosterone 42.4 pg/mL (35-155)

> >

> > Everything else is normal, but things that may be of interest:

> >

> > Vitamin D 74 ng/mL (30-100) [i have been taking

> > 10k IU per day with vitamin K]

> > Cholesterol total 149 mg/dL (125-200)

> > Triglycerides 72 mg/dL (<150)

> > LDL Cholesterol 102 mg/dL (<130)

> > TSH 1.50 mIU/L (0.40-4.50)

> > Negative for TSH Antibody

> > T4 Free 1.3 ng/dL (0.8-1.8)

> > T3 Free 2.9 pg/mL (2.3-4.2)

> > SHBG 21 nmol/L (8-48)

> > Estradiol Ultrasensitive <2 pg/mL (< OR = 29)

> > IGF 1 329 ng/mL (64-334)

> > Estrone 17 pq/mL (< OR = 68)

> > Estriol <0.10 ng/mL (< OR = 0.18)

> > DHEA Sulfate 269 mcg/dL (110-370)

> > FSH 6.2 mIU/mL (1.6-8.0)

> > LH 2.0 mIU/mL (1.5-9.3)

> > Cortisol 9.0 mcg/dL (4-22)

> >

> > If there is something else I probably have it just did not type it

> in so

> > ask if its crucial.

> >

> > The Dr was concerned about the Creatinine and the eGFR, I have been

> > reading on this, I think it may be due to the additional muscle mass I

> > have (I am stalky) as I have read bodybuilders can have a normal

> reading

> > of 2 simply because of the muscle mass they carry.

> >

> > I have no idea about the EOSINOPHILS, these are supposed to be related

> > to allergies but it could indicate a bacterial infection from what I

> gather.

> >

> > HDL has been low always, although in the past I was closer to the

> > borderline at ~37. My overall cholesterol is down though, I had been

> > working on losing weight for the past ~ 2 months and eating better. I

> > take slow niacin at night with policosanol now, so I expected it was

> > going to go up but its down.

> >

> > Obviously not converting T to E or DHT, FSH is good but LH is low, not

> > really sure why.

> >

> > I have more labs on Friday to do, urine test and more blood labs.

> >

> > I went ahead and did a T shot today, to see how this makes me feel

> since

> > I never really got into normal ranges with Androgel before. I think it

> > is possible that my low T is just causing extra stress on top of my

> HIGH

> > stress job, and its driving the rest of my system out of whack so

> wanted

> > to try this. The Dr is open to using HCG instead, if I feel good on T

> > we will start HCG next week and eventually make that the only therapy.

> >

> > I still don't see any reason why my HPTA is not telling my body to

> > produce T though, maybe more labs will help.

> >

> > BR//Matt

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

200mgs every 2 weeks will NOT normalize your levels - 50mgs 2x/week ic much

better

> >

> > Well I didn't get all the answers, but that is the case with many of our

> > ailments. It does appear that I have something going on outside of low T.

> >

> > Here are my out of range labs (Quest):

> >

> > HDL 33 mg/dL (40+)

> > Creatinine 1.48 mg/dL (0.9-1.33)

> > eGFR 55 mL/min/1.73m2 (60+)

> > Albumin/Globulin Ratio 2.2 (1.0-2.1, Alb=4/8, Glob=2.2)

> > Dihydrotestosterone 21 ng/dL (25-75)

> > Absolute EOSINOPHILS 0 cells/uL (15-500) /Dr said this was the

> > first time he has seen this/

> > Testosterone 201 ng/dL (250-1100)

> > Free Testosterone 42.4 pg/mL (35-155)

> >

> > Everything else is normal, but things that may be of interest:

> >

> > Vitamin D 74 ng/mL (30-100) [i have been taking

> > 10k IU per day with vitamin K]

> > Cholesterol total 149 mg/dL (125-200)

> > Triglycerides 72 mg/dL (<150)

> > LDL Cholesterol 102 mg/dL (<130)

> > TSH 1.50 mIU/L (0.40-4.50)

> > Negative for TSH Antibody

> > T4 Free 1.3 ng/dL (0.8-1.8)

> > T3 Free 2.9 pg/mL (2.3-4.2)

> > SHBG 21 nmol/L (8-48)

> > Estradiol Ultrasensitive <2 pg/mL (< OR = 29)

> > IGF 1 329 ng/mL (64-334)

> > Estrone 17 pq/mL (< OR = 68)

> > Estriol <0.10 ng/mL (< OR = 0.18)

> > DHEA Sulfate 269 mcg/dL (110-370)

> > FSH 6.2 mIU/mL (1.6-8.0)

> > LH 2.0 mIU/mL (1.5-9.3)

> > Cortisol 9.0 mcg/dL (4-22)

> >

> > If there is something else I probably have it just did not type it in so

> > ask if its crucial.

> >

> > The Dr was concerned about the Creatinine and the eGFR, I have been

> > reading on this, I think it may be due to the additional muscle mass I

> > have (I am stalky) as I have read bodybuilders can have a normal reading

> > of 2 simply because of the muscle mass they carry.

> >

> > I have no idea about the EOSINOPHILS, these are supposed to be related

> > to allergies but it could indicate a bacterial infection from what I gather.

> >

> > HDL has been low always, although in the past I was closer to the

> > borderline at ~37. My overall cholesterol is down though, I had been

> > working on losing weight for the past ~ 2 months and eating better. I

> > take slow niacin at night with policosanol now, so I expected it was

> > going to go up but its down.

> >

> > Obviously not converting T to E or DHT, FSH is good but LH is low, not

> > really sure why.

> >

> > I have more labs on Friday to do, urine test and more blood labs.

> >

> > I went ahead and did a T shot today, to see how this makes me feel since

> > I never really got into normal ranges with Androgel before. I think it

> > is possible that my low T is just causing extra stress on top of my HIGH

> > stress job, and its driving the rest of my system out of whack so wanted

> > to try this. The Dr is open to using HCG instead, if I feel good on T

> > we will start HCG next week and eventually make that the only therapy.

> >

> > I still don't see any reason why my HPTA is not telling my body to

> > produce T though, maybe more labs will help.

> >

> > BR//Matt

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Right, this is not my game plan for T treatment long term. If

normalizing my T seems to normalize my symptoms and labs, I will go on

HCG + T, then just HCG (if possible). We have more evaluation to do,

this is just a test to see how I feel on more normal T levels.

BR//Matt

On 2/11/2011 6:03 PM, cvictorg wrote:

>

> 200mgs every 2 weeks will NOT normalize your levels - 50mgs 2x/week ic

> much better

>

>

> > >

> > > Well I didn't get all the answers, but that is the case with many

> of our

> > > ailments. It does appear that I have something going on outside of

> low T.

> > >

> > > Here are my out of range labs (Quest):

> > >

> > > HDL 33 mg/dL (40+)

> > > Creatinine 1.48 mg/dL (0.9-1.33)

> > > eGFR 55 mL/min/1.73m2 (60+)

> > > Albumin/Globulin Ratio 2.2 (1.0-2.1, Alb=4/8, Glob=2.2)

> > > Dihydrotestosterone 21 ng/dL (25-75)

> > > Absolute EOSINOPHILS 0 cells/uL (15-500) /Dr said this was the

> > > first time he has seen this/

> > > Testosterone 201 ng/dL (250-1100)

> > > Free Testosterone 42.4 pg/mL (35-155)

> > >

> > > Everything else is normal, but things that may be of interest:

> > >

> > > Vitamin D 74 ng/mL (30-100) [i have been taking

> > > 10k IU per day with vitamin K]

> > > Cholesterol total 149 mg/dL (125-200)

> > > Triglycerides 72 mg/dL (<150)

> > > LDL Cholesterol 102 mg/dL (<130)

> > > TSH 1.50 mIU/L (0.40-4.50)

> > > Negative for TSH Antibody

> > > T4 Free 1.3 ng/dL (0.8-1.8)

> > > T3 Free 2.9 pg/mL (2.3-4.2)

> > > SHBG 21 nmol/L (8-48)

> > > Estradiol Ultrasensitive <2 pg/mL (< OR = 29)

> > > IGF 1 329 ng/mL (64-334)

> > > Estrone 17 pq/mL (< OR = 68)

> > > Estriol <0.10 ng/mL (< OR = 0.18)

> > > DHEA Sulfate 269 mcg/dL (110-370)

> > > FSH 6.2 mIU/mL (1.6-8.0)

> > > LH 2.0 mIU/mL (1.5-9.3)

> > > Cortisol 9.0 mcg/dL (4-22)

> > >

> > > If there is something else I probably have it just did not type it

> in so

> > > ask if its crucial.

> > >

> > > The Dr was concerned about the Creatinine and the eGFR, I have been

> > > reading on this, I think it may be due to the additional muscle

> mass I

> > > have (I am stalky) as I have read bodybuilders can have a normal

> reading

> > > of 2 simply because of the muscle mass they carry.

> > >

> > > I have no idea about the EOSINOPHILS, these are supposed to be

> related

> > > to allergies but it could indicate a bacterial infection from what

> I gather.

> > >

> > > HDL has been low always, although in the past I was closer to the

> > > borderline at ~37. My overall cholesterol is down though, I had been

> > > working on losing weight for the past ~ 2 months and eating better. I

> > > take slow niacin at night with policosanol now, so I expected it was

> > > going to go up but its down.

> > >

> > > Obviously not converting T to E or DHT, FSH is good but LH is low,

> not

> > > really sure why.

> > >

> > > I have more labs on Friday to do, urine test and more blood labs.

> > >

> > > I went ahead and did a T shot today, to see how this makes me feel

> since

> > > I never really got into normal ranges with Androgel before. I

> think it

> > > is possible that my low T is just causing extra stress on top of

> my HIGH

> > > stress job, and its driving the rest of my system out of whack so

> wanted

> > > to try this. The Dr is open to using HCG instead, if I feel good on T

> > > we will start HCG next week and eventually make that the only therapy.

> > >

> > > I still don't see any reason why my HPTA is not telling my body to

> > > produce T though, maybe more labs will help.

> > >

> > > BR//Matt

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I agree bi weekly shots are not the way to go.I did my shots every 3 1/2 days

for quite a while.After seeing a Crisler lecture I began doing my shot every

sunday.I actually feel a little better doing it once a week and don't miss

having sore legs and butt from frequent injections.He also advocates HCG

injections on friday and saturday before the sunday testosterone for those

taking HCG.I take HCG every other month to keep my balls normal size.Phil

> > >

> > > Well I didn't get all the answers, but that is the case with many of our

> > > ailments. It does appear that I have something going on outside of low T.

> > >

> > > Here are my out of range labs (Quest):

> > >

> > > HDL 33 mg/dL (40+)

> > > Creatinine 1.48 mg/dL (0.9-1.33)

> > > eGFR 55 mL/min/1.73m2 (60+)

> > > Albumin/Globulin Ratio 2.2 (1.0-2.1, Alb=4/8, Glob=2.2)

> > > Dihydrotestosterone 21 ng/dL (25-75)

> > > Absolute EOSINOPHILS 0 cells/uL (15-500) /Dr said this was the

> > > first time he has seen this/

> > > Testosterone 201 ng/dL (250-1100)

> > > Free Testosterone 42.4 pg/mL (35-155)

> > >

> > > Everything else is normal, but things that may be of interest:

> > >

> > > Vitamin D 74 ng/mL (30-100) [i have been taking

> > > 10k IU per day with vitamin K]

> > > Cholesterol total 149 mg/dL (125-200)

> > > Triglycerides 72 mg/dL (<150)

> > > LDL Cholesterol 102 mg/dL (<130)

> > > TSH 1.50 mIU/L (0.40-4.50)

> > > Negative for TSH Antibody

> > > T4 Free 1.3 ng/dL (0.8-1.8)

> > > T3 Free 2.9 pg/mL (2.3-4.2)

> > > SHBG 21 nmol/L (8-48)

> > > Estradiol Ultrasensitive <2 pg/mL (< OR = 29)

> > > IGF 1 329 ng/mL (64-334)

> > > Estrone 17 pq/mL (< OR = 68)

> > > Estriol <0.10 ng/mL (< OR = 0.18)

> > > DHEA Sulfate 269 mcg/dL (110-370)

> > > FSH 6.2 mIU/mL (1.6-8.0)

> > > LH 2.0 mIU/mL (1.5-9.3)

> > > Cortisol 9.0 mcg/dL (4-22)

> > >

> > > If there is something else I probably have it just did not type it in so

> > > ask if its crucial.

> > >

> > > The Dr was concerned about the Creatinine and the eGFR, I have been

> > > reading on this, I think it may be due to the additional muscle mass I

> > > have (I am stalky) as I have read bodybuilders can have a normal reading

> > > of 2 simply because of the muscle mass they carry.

> > >

> > > I have no idea about the EOSINOPHILS, these are supposed to be related

> > > to allergies but it could indicate a bacterial infection from what I

gather.

> > >

> > > HDL has been low always, although in the past I was closer to the

> > > borderline at ~37. My overall cholesterol is down though, I had been

> > > working on losing weight for the past ~ 2 months and eating better. I

> > > take slow niacin at night with policosanol now, so I expected it was

> > > going to go up but its down.

> > >

> > > Obviously not converting T to E or DHT, FSH is good but LH is low, not

> > > really sure why.

> > >

> > > I have more labs on Friday to do, urine test and more blood labs.

> > >

> > > I went ahead and did a T shot today, to see how this makes me feel since

> > > I never really got into normal ranges with Androgel before. I think it

> > > is possible that my low T is just causing extra stress on top of my HIGH

> > > stress job, and its driving the rest of my system out of whack so wanted

> > > to try this. The Dr is open to using HCG instead, if I feel good on T

> > > we will start HCG next week and eventually make that the only therapy.

> > >

> > > I still don't see any reason why my HPTA is not telling my body to

> > > produce T though, maybe more labs will help.

> > >

> > > BR//Matt

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Matt,

The test you did for Estradiol Ultrasensitive <2 pg/mL (< OR = 29) is no good

Quest labs has big problems with this test many men with high levels of E2 get

this error result of <2 it's not possable.

My Dr. called his friend that works for Quest labs and he said they are having

big problems with this test. It's best to just do there Sensitive Test for E2

#4021 with the range of 13 to 54 pg/ml.

Dr. got so made at Quest labs for even sending and charging for this bad

result he quit using Quest labs.

Also your cortiol levels are very low for a morning fasting blood test now you

need to do a 4 x's in a day Saliva test to see how your rithym looks.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Matt <mattjon332@...>

> Subject: Back from Dr, need some help

>

> Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 6:47 PM

> Well I didn't get all the answers,

> but that is the case with many of our

> ailments.  It does appear that I have something going

> on outside of low T.

>

> Here are my out of range labs (Quest):

>

> HDL               

>             33 mg/dL (40+)

> Creatinine             

>        1.48 mg/dL (0.9-1.33)

> eGFR               

>            55

> mL/min/1.73m2 (60+)

> Albumin/Globulin Ratio     

>    2.2 (1.0-2.1, Alb=4/8, Glob=2.2)

> Dihydrotestosterone         

>   21 ng/dL  (25-75)

> Absolute EOSINOPHILS       

>    0 cells/uL (15-500) /Dr said this was the

>

> first time he has seen this/

> Testosterone           

>        201 ng/dL (250-1100)

> Free Testosterone           

>   42.4 pg/mL (35-155)

>

> Everything else is normal, but things that may be of

> interest:

>

> Vitamin D             

>         74 ng/mL (30-100)  [i have

> been taking

> 10k IU per day with vitamin K]

> Cholesterol total           

>   149 mg/dL (125-200)

> Triglycerides           

>       72 mg/dL (<150)

> LDL Cholesterol           

>     102 mg/dL (<130)

> TSH               

>             1.50 mIU/L

> (0.40-4.50)

> Negative for TSH Antibody

> T4 Free             

>           1.3 ng/dL (0.8-1.8)

> T3 Free             

>           2.9 pg/mL (2.3-4.2)

> SHBG               

>            21 nmol/L

> (8-48)

> Estradiol Ultrasensitive <2 pg/mL  (< OR = 29)

> IGF 1             

>             329 ng/mL

> (64-334)

> Estrone             

>           17 pq/mL (< OR = 68)

> Estriol <0.10 ng/mL (< OR = 0.18)

> DHEA Sulfate           

>        269 mcg/dL (110-370)

> FSH               

>             6.2 mIU/mL

> (1.6-8.0)

> LH               

>              2.0

> mIU/mL (1.5-9.3)

> Cortisol             

>          9.0 mcg/dL (4-22)

>

> If there is something else I probably have it just did not

> type it in so

> ask if its crucial.

>

> The Dr was concerned about the Creatinine and the eGFR, I

> have been

> reading on this, I think it may be due to the additional

> muscle mass I

> have (I am stalky) as I have read bodybuilders can have a

> normal reading

> of 2 simply because of the muscle mass they carry.

>

> I have no idea about the EOSINOPHILS, these are supposed to

> be related

> to allergies but it could indicate a bacterial infection

> from what I gather.

>

> HDL has been low always, although in the past I was closer

> to the

> borderline at ~37.  My overall cholesterol is down

> though, I had been

> working on losing weight for the past ~ 2 months and eating

> better.  I

> take slow niacin at night with policosanol now, so I

> expected it was

> going to go up but its down.

>

> Obviously not converting T to E or DHT, FSH is good but LH

> is low, not

> really sure why.

>

> I have more labs on Friday to do, urine test and more blood

> labs.

>

> I went ahead and did a T shot today, to see how this makes

> me feel since

> I never really got into normal ranges with Androgel

> before.  I think it

> is possible that my low T is just causing extra stress on

> top of my HIGH

> stress job, and its driving the rest of my system out of

> whack so wanted

> to try this.  The Dr is open to using HCG instead, if

> I feel good on T

> we will start HCG next week and eventually make that the

> only therapy.

>

> I still don't see any reason why my HPTA is not telling my

> body to

> produce T though, maybe more labs will help.

>

> BR//Matt

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Matt don't let your Dr. give you shots this big every 2 weeks it's old and dose

not work well. Do your own shots at home starting at 100 mgs / week and you

just don't try a shot to see how you feel it will shut down your HPTA and if you

don't think your TRT is working and you stop your HPTA in most men will not

start back up.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > How much T did you inject? Where did you get it from?

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Well I didn't get all the answers, but that is

> the case with many of

> > our

> > > ailments. It does appear that I have something

> going on outside of

> > low T.

> > >

> > > Here are my out of range labs (Quest):

> > >

> > > HDL 33 mg/dL (40+)

> > > Creatinine 1.48 mg/dL (0.9-1.33)

> > > eGFR 55 mL/min/1.73m2 (60+)

> > > Albumin/Globulin Ratio 2.2 (1.0-2.1, Alb=4/8,

> Glob=2.2)

> > > Dihydrotestosterone 21 ng/dL (25-75)

> > > Absolute EOSINOPHILS 0 cells/uL (15-500) /Dr said

> this was the

> > > first time he has seen this/

> > > Testosterone 201 ng/dL (250-1100)

> > > Free Testosterone 42.4 pg/mL (35-155)

> > >

> > > Everything else is normal, but things that may be

> of interest:

> > >

> > > Vitamin D 74 ng/mL (30-100) [i have been taking

> > > 10k IU per day with vitamin K]

> > > Cholesterol total 149 mg/dL (125-200)

> > > Triglycerides 72 mg/dL (<150)

> > > LDL Cholesterol 102 mg/dL (<130)

> > > TSH 1.50 mIU/L (0.40-4.50)

> > > Negative for TSH Antibody

> > > T4 Free 1.3 ng/dL (0.8-1.8)

> > > T3 Free 2.9 pg/mL (2.3-4.2)

> > > SHBG 21 nmol/L (8-48)

> > > Estradiol Ultrasensitive <2 pg/mL (< OR =

> 29)

> > > IGF 1 329 ng/mL (64-334)

> > > Estrone 17 pq/mL (< OR = 68)

> > > Estriol <0.10 ng/mL (< OR = 0.18)

> > > DHEA Sulfate 269 mcg/dL (110-370)

> > > FSH 6.2 mIU/mL (1.6-8.0)

> > > LH 2.0 mIU/mL (1.5-9.3)

> > > Cortisol 9.0 mcg/dL (4-22)

> > >

> > > If there is something else I probably have it

> just did not type it

> > in so

> > > ask if its crucial.

> > >

> > > The Dr was concerned about the Creatinine and the

> eGFR, I have been

> > > reading on this, I think it may be due to the

> additional muscle mass I

> > > have (I am stalky) as I have read bodybuilders

> can have a normal

> > reading

> > > of 2 simply because of the muscle mass they

> carry.

> > >

> > > I have no idea about the EOSINOPHILS, these are

> supposed to be related

> > > to allergies but it could indicate a bacterial

> infection from what I

> > gather.

> > >

> > > HDL has been low always, although in the past I

> was closer to the

> > > borderline at ~37. My overall cholesterol is down

> though, I had been

> > > working on losing weight for the past ~ 2 months

> and eating better. I

> > > take slow niacin at night with policosanol now,

> so I expected it was

> > > going to go up but its down.

> > >

> > > Obviously not converting T to E or DHT, FSH is

> good but LH is low, not

> > > really sure why.

> > >

> > > I have more labs on Friday to do, urine test and

> more blood labs.

> > >

> > > I went ahead and did a T shot today, to see how

> this makes me feel

> > since

> > > I never really got into normal ranges with

> Androgel before. I think it

> > > is possible that my low T is just causing extra

> stress on top of my

> > HIGH

> > > stress job, and its driving the rest of my system

> out of whack so

> > wanted

> > > to try this. The Dr is open to using HCG instead,

> if I feel good on T

> > > we will start HCG next week and eventually make

> that the only therapy.

> > >

> > > I still don't see any reason why my HPTA is not

> telling my body to

> > > produce T though, maybe more labs will help.

> > >

> > > BR//Matt

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You just don't do big shots like this for a test this is nuts. Your very low

and if you don't know way and need TRT do it the right way. All this big shot

is going to do is Drive up your levels in 3 days very high over 1500 then start

falling very fast by the 7th day you can end up lower then you started with very

high levels of Estradiol.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > 200mgs every 2 weeks will NOT normalize your levels -

> 50mgs 2x/week ic

> > much better

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > > Well I didn't get all the answers, but that

> is the case with many

> > of our

> > > > ailments. It does appear that I have

> something going on outside of

> > low T.

> > > >

> > > > Here are my out of range labs (Quest):

> > > >

> > > > HDL 33 mg/dL (40+)

> > > > Creatinine 1.48 mg/dL (0.9-1.33)

> > > > eGFR 55 mL/min/1.73m2 (60+)

> > > > Albumin/Globulin Ratio 2.2 (1.0-2.1,

> Alb=4/8, Glob=2.2)

> > > > Dihydrotestosterone 21 ng/dL (25-75)

> > > > Absolute EOSINOPHILS 0 cells/uL (15-500) /Dr

> said this was the

> > > > first time he has seen this/

> > > > Testosterone 201 ng/dL (250-1100)

> > > > Free Testosterone 42.4 pg/mL (35-155)

> > > >

> > > > Everything else is normal, but things that

> may be of interest:

> > > >

> > > > Vitamin D 74 ng/mL (30-100) [i have been

> taking

> > > > 10k IU per day with vitamin K]

> > > > Cholesterol total 149 mg/dL (125-200)

> > > > Triglycerides 72 mg/dL (<150)

> > > > LDL Cholesterol 102 mg/dL (<130)

> > > > TSH 1.50 mIU/L (0.40-4.50)

> > > > Negative for TSH Antibody

> > > > T4 Free 1.3 ng/dL (0.8-1.8)

> > > > T3 Free 2.9 pg/mL (2.3-4.2)

> > > > SHBG 21 nmol/L (8-48)

> > > > Estradiol Ultrasensitive <2 pg/mL (<

> OR = 29)

> > > > IGF 1 329 ng/mL (64-334)

> > > > Estrone 17 pq/mL (< OR = 68)

> > > > Estriol <0.10 ng/mL (< OR = 0.18)

> > > > DHEA Sulfate 269 mcg/dL (110-370)

> > > > FSH 6.2 mIU/mL (1.6-8.0)

> > > > LH 2.0 mIU/mL (1.5-9.3)

> > > > Cortisol 9.0 mcg/dL (4-22)

> > > >

> > > > If there is something else I probably have

> it just did not type it

> > in so

> > > > ask if its crucial.

> > > >

> > > > The Dr was concerned about the Creatinine

> and the eGFR, I have been

> > > > reading on this, I think it may be due to

> the additional muscle

> > mass I

> > > > have (I am stalky) as I have read

> bodybuilders can have a normal

> > reading

> > > > of 2 simply because of the muscle mass they

> carry.

> > > >

> > > > I have no idea about the EOSINOPHILS, these

> are supposed to be

> > related

> > > > to allergies but it could indicate a

> bacterial infection from what

> > I gather.

> > > >

> > > > HDL has been low always, although in the

> past I was closer to the

> > > > borderline at ~37. My overall cholesterol is

> down though, I had been

> > > > working on losing weight for the past ~ 2

> months and eating better. I

> > > > take slow niacin at night with policosanol

> now, so I expected it was

> > > > going to go up but its down.

> > > >

> > > > Obviously not converting T to E or DHT, FSH

> is good but LH is low,

> > not

> > > > really sure why.

> > > >

> > > > I have more labs on Friday to do, urine test

> and more blood labs.

> > > >

> > > > I went ahead and did a T shot today, to see

> how this makes me feel

> > since

> > > > I never really got into normal ranges with

> Androgel before. I

> > think it

> > > > is possible that my low T is just causing

> extra stress on top of

> > my HIGH

> > > > stress job, and its driving the rest of my

> system out of whack so

> > wanted

> > > > to try this. The Dr is open to using HCG

> instead, if I feel good on T

> > > > we will start HCG next week and eventually

> make that the only therapy.

> > > >

> > > > I still don't see any reason why my HPTA is

> not telling my body to

> > > > produce T though, maybe more labs will

> help.

> > > >

> > > > BR//Matt

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In the hormone 101 it says:

*Exective Summary:*

Phase 1: Restore preg, prog and cortisol, via supplementary transdermal

pregnenolone (or prog), to as good as can be achieved without thyroid

hormones.

Phase 2: Restore thyroid hormones, pref via supplementary

slow-release-compounded T3 (not yet T4) and adjust both preg and T3

thyroid hormones together to achieve optimum balance as well as levels

of all cortisol-production-line hormones as well as thyroid hormones.

Phase 3: Swap most of the T3 for T4, and swap most of the preg for

either dietary cholesterol (pref) or HC (if cholesterol not synthesizing

into preg).

Phase 4: Boost GH via GH booster peptides or recombinant GH (if you have

the resources to do so).

Phase 5: Boost testosterone and DHT via exogenous T and / or exogenous HCG.

Phase 6: Boost GH if you didn't boost GH before, but you discovered that

your body is tuned for low T / DHT and high GH.

1) Technically my cortisol was within normal ranges, and we are doing

more cortisol tests this week including aldosterone, ACTH, and so on. I

have mentioned a ACTH stim test, this might be something we do also but

technically while my cortisol is not optimal its not below the ranges

either. I can almost gurantee if my T normalizes that my cortisol

levels will also rise to more optimal levels just based on what I told

you about this steady anxiousness feeling that seems to always be on me.

2) Thyroid within normal ranges, maybe not optimal but within ranges

3) Not using Thyroid hormones

4) IGF-1 is almost max on the normal range, therefore GH is already

good, at least averaged day to day

5) Here we are.....

You know how it feels to be low T Phil, and for me there is this level

of frustration/anxiousness that just seems to never go away and lately

its been very hard to deal with it. Work and life outside work has

started to suffer as I am dwelling more and more on this issue. Well I

am already feeling relief from this, seriously, I have this calm coming

over me, that steady level of anxiousness thats been with me for well

over 7 years is starting to subside already. Therefore combined with

lifestyle (work), maybe its my low T causing my issues, and could be the

primary source of my issues (chicken or the egg?). Potentially

relieving the low T may normalize my adrenals and other levels, I don't

see why this is a big deal to attempt, I never got within normal ranges

on Androgel before so I don't even know if higher T levels will help or

not, but I do know I am tired of feeling the way I have been and so far

I am feeling much better already.

Also I stopped Androgel after 2-3 weeks at 10g a day (and 2 weeks before

at 5g, and a month before that at 2.5g), my T level is basically is the

same now nearly a year later as it was before T treatment if you

consider the test range differences. I think maybe if you do long term

T treatment there may be a concern, but for short periods I am not

concerned, if we did something wrong today I don't think its the end all.

Also if you read what I had posted, this next Friday we are switching to

HCG, this was just to get my T level up as its obviously very low. I

prob won't even do another T shot until we find out if HCG will work.

Also I read all the time on these forums that people get booster shots

like this to start out their low T treatment, not sure why everyone is

freaking out about this now.

At the time we thought E2 was very low and it was due to my low T to

begin with, I will have my Dr add in #4021 to my labs on Friday, thanks

for that information that is one more possible lead to investigate.

If HPTA restart is not real, then I don't see where else I go but T

treatment, if I am missing part of the picture please elaborate.

BR//Matt

On 2/12/2011 10:58 AM, philip georgian wrote:

>

> You just don't do big shots like this for a test this is nuts. Your

> very low and if you don't know way and need TRT do it the right way.

> All this big shot is going to do is Drive up your levels in 3 days

> very high over 1500 then start falling very fast by the 7th day you

> can end up lower then you started with very high levels of Estradiol.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

> > >

> > > 200mgs every 2 weeks will NOT normalize your levels -

> > 50mgs 2x/week ic

> > > much better

> > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Well I didn't get all the answers, but that

> > is the case with many

> > > of our

> > > > > ailments. It does appear that I have

> > something going on outside of

> > > low T.

> > > > >

> > > > > Here are my out of range labs (Quest):

> > > > >

> > > > > HDL 33 mg/dL (40+)

> > > > > Creatinine 1.48 mg/dL (0.9-1.33)

> > > > > eGFR 55 mL/min/1.73m2 (60+)

> > > > > Albumin/Globulin Ratio 2.2 (1.0-2.1,

> > Alb=4/8, Glob=2.2)

> > > > > Dihydrotestosterone 21 ng/dL (25-75)

> > > > > Absolute EOSINOPHILS 0 cells/uL (15-500) /Dr

> > said this was the

> > > > > first time he has seen this/

> > > > > Testosterone 201 ng/dL (250-1100)

> > > > > Free Testosterone 42.4 pg/mL (35-155)

> > > > >

> > > > > Everything else is normal, but things that

> > may be of interest:

> > > > >

> > > > > Vitamin D 74 ng/mL (30-100) [i have been

> > taking

> > > > > 10k IU per day with vitamin K]

> > > > > Cholesterol total 149 mg/dL (125-200)

> > > > > Triglycerides 72 mg/dL (<150)

> > > > > LDL Cholesterol 102 mg/dL (<130)

> > > > > TSH 1.50 mIU/L (0.40-4.50)

> > > > > Negative for TSH Antibody

> > > > > T4 Free 1.3 ng/dL (0.8-1.8)

> > > > > T3 Free 2.9 pg/mL (2.3-4.2)

> > > > > SHBG 21 nmol/L (8-48)

> > > > > Estradiol Ultrasensitive <2 pg/mL (<

> > OR = 29)

> > > > > IGF 1 329 ng/mL (64-334)

> > > > > Estrone 17 pq/mL (< OR = 68)

> > > > > Estriol <0.10 ng/mL (< OR = 0.18)

> > > > > DHEA Sulfate 269 mcg/dL (110-370)

> > > > > FSH 6.2 mIU/mL (1.6-8.0)

> > > > > LH 2.0 mIU/mL (1.5-9.3)

> > > > > Cortisol 9.0 mcg/dL (4-22)

> > > > >

> > > > > If there is something else I probably have

> > it just did not type it

> > > in so

> > > > > ask if its crucial.

> > > > >

> > > > > The Dr was concerned about the Creatinine

> > and the eGFR, I have been

> > > > > reading on this, I think it may be due to

> > the additional muscle

> > > mass I

> > > > > have (I am stalky) as I have read

> > bodybuilders can have a normal

> > > reading

> > > > > of 2 simply because of the muscle mass they

> > carry.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have no idea about the EOSINOPHILS, these

> > are supposed to be

> > > related

> > > > > to allergies but it could indicate a

> > bacterial infection from what

> > > I gather.

> > > > >

> > > > > HDL has been low always, although in the

> > past I was closer to the

> > > > > borderline at ~37. My overall cholesterol is

> > down though, I had been

> > > > > working on losing weight for the past ~ 2

> > months and eating better. I

> > > > > take slow niacin at night with policosanol

> > now, so I expected it was

> > > > > going to go up but its down.

> > > > >

> > > > > Obviously not converting T to E or DHT, FSH

> > is good but LH is low,

> > > not

> > > > > really sure why.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have more labs on Friday to do, urine test

> > and more blood labs.

> > > > >

> > > > > I went ahead and did a T shot today, to see

> > how this makes me feel

> > > since

> > > > > I never really got into normal ranges with

> > Androgel before. I

> > > think it

> > > > > is possible that my low T is just causing

> > extra stress on top of

> > > my HIGH

> > > > > stress job, and its driving the rest of my

> > system out of whack so

> > > wanted

> > > > > to try this. The Dr is open to using HCG

> > instead, if I feel good on T

> > > > > we will start HCG next week and eventually

> > make that the only therapy.

> > > > >

> > > > > I still don't see any reason why my HPTA is

> > not telling my body to

> > > > > produce T though, maybe more labs will

> > help.

> > > > >

> > > > > BR//Matt

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Matt,

All I am trying to do for you is give you a heads up about now to do TRT. The

way I read you post it looked to me like your Dr. was trying 200 mgs every 2

weeks. Good Dr.'s give a jump start shot of 200 mgs but go on to do 100 mgs

the next week. You need to do this if your feeling better do a 100 mgs in a

week don't wait 2 weeks. As for gels they did not work for me I could not get

good levels at the time I did gels the lab my Dr. used went up to 1592.

My labs were 550 to 600 on 10 grams of Gel. If this were Quest labs with there

top of range at 1100 I would be in the mid 300's.

As for HCG I would not try doing just HCG by it's self I only know a few men of

100's that feel good on HCG alone.

As for Cortisol levels what came first the chicken or the egg. Low T can cause

low cortisol and low cortisol can cause low T. It's best to treat both later

when your leveled off you can come off Cortisol meds.

I tied chills Hormones 101 very hard to do I was all over the place going from

good to bad. It's working my Problems with high E2 are much less now but my

Preg. levels went do high my Dr. told me to stop doing the Preg. or Prog. cream

until we see my next set of labs.

If you read posts at Dr. 's about doing Preg. or Prog. most have having a

time of it.

If you wait 2 weeks to do some thing after this shot your most likely to feel

like crap again if not worse in 2 weeks.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > > >

> > > > 200mgs every 2 weeks will NOT normalize your

> levels -

> > > 50mgs 2x/week ic

> > > > much better

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Well I didn't get all the answers,

> but that

> > > is the case with many

> > > > of our

> > > > > > ailments. It does appear that I

> have

> > > something going on outside of

> > > > low T.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here are my out of range labs

> (Quest):

> > > > > >

> > > > > > HDL 33 mg/dL (40+)

> > > > > > Creatinine 1.48 mg/dL (0.9-1.33)

> > > > > > eGFR 55 mL/min/1.73m2 (60+)

> > > > > > Albumin/Globulin Ratio 2.2

> (1.0-2.1,

> > > Alb=4/8, Glob=2.2)

> > > > > > Dihydrotestosterone 21 ng/dL

> (25-75)

> > > > > > Absolute EOSINOPHILS 0 cells/uL

> (15-500) /Dr

> > > said this was the

> > > > > > first time he has seen this/

> > > > > > Testosterone 201 ng/dL (250-1100)

> > > > > > Free Testosterone 42.4 pg/mL

> (35-155)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Everything else is normal, but

> things that

> > > may be of interest:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vitamin D 74 ng/mL (30-100) [i

> have been

> > > taking

> > > > > > 10k IU per day with vitamin K]

> > > > > > Cholesterol total 149 mg/dL

> (125-200)

> > > > > > Triglycerides 72 mg/dL (<150)

> > > > > > LDL Cholesterol 102 mg/dL

> (<130)

> > > > > > TSH 1.50 mIU/L (0.40-4.50)

> > > > > > Negative for TSH Antibody

> > > > > > T4 Free 1.3 ng/dL (0.8-1.8)

> > > > > > T3 Free 2.9 pg/mL (2.3-4.2)

> > > > > > SHBG 21 nmol/L (8-48)

> > > > > > Estradiol Ultrasensitive <2

> pg/mL (<

> > > OR = 29)

> > > > > > IGF 1 329 ng/mL (64-334)

> > > > > > Estrone 17 pq/mL (< OR = 68)

> > > > > > Estriol <0.10 ng/mL (< OR =

> 0.18)

> > > > > > DHEA Sulfate 269 mcg/dL (110-370)

> > > > > > FSH 6.2 mIU/mL (1.6-8.0)

> > > > > > LH 2.0 mIU/mL (1.5-9.3)

> > > > > > Cortisol 9.0 mcg/dL (4-22)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If there is something else I

> probably have

> > > it just did not type it

> > > > in so

> > > > > > ask if its crucial.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The Dr was concerned about the

> Creatinine

> > > and the eGFR, I have been

> > > > > > reading on this, I think it may be

> due to

> > > the additional muscle

> > > > mass I

> > > > > > have (I am stalky) as I have read

> > > bodybuilders can have a normal

> > > > reading

> > > > > > of 2 simply because of the muscle

> mass they

> > > carry.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have no idea about the

> EOSINOPHILS, these

> > > are supposed to be

> > > > related

> > > > > > to allergies but it could indicate

> a

> > > bacterial infection from what

> > > > I gather.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > HDL has been low always, although

> in the

> > > past I was closer to the

> > > > > > borderline at ~37. My overall

> cholesterol is

> > > down though, I had been

> > > > > > working on losing weight for the

> past ~ 2

> > > months and eating better. I

> > > > > > take slow niacin at night with

> policosanol

> > > now, so I expected it was

> > > > > > going to go up but its down.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Obviously not converting T to E or

> DHT, FSH

> > > is good but LH is low,

> > > > not

> > > > > > really sure why.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have more labs on Friday to do,

> urine test

> > > and more blood labs.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I went ahead and did a T shot

> today, to see

> > > how this makes me feel

> > > > since

> > > > > > I never really got into normal

> ranges with

> > > Androgel before. I

> > > > think it

> > > > > > is possible that my low T is just

> causing

> > > extra stress on top of

> > > > my HIGH

> > > > > > stress job, and its driving the

> rest of my

> > > system out of whack so

> > > > wanted

> > > > > > to try this. The Dr is open to

> using HCG

> > > instead, if I feel good on T

> > > > > > we will start HCG next week and

> eventually

> > > make that the only therapy.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I still don't see any reason why

> my HPTA is

> > > not telling my body to

> > > > > > produce T though, maybe more labs

> will

> > > help.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > BR//Matt

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> have been

> > > removed]

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Phil,

Thanks, I really appreciate it.

I was hoping that maybe HCG would work for me, at least until I get

older. With my LH at 2.0 on a 1.5-9.3 scale, and my T at 201 on the

250-1100 scale I think I may be a good candidate for just HCG, but

rarely are things so cut and dry like that. I am not opposed to doing T

and HCG, I just prefer HCG only if possible.

If I stick with T I won't be doing 2 week shots, I will be doing 1 week

shots. And I won't go more then a week without a T or HCG shot, so

hopefully l won't crash.

BTW I thought that cypionate had a half life of ~12 days?

The testosterone esters found in injectable products, all have different

half lives to clearance (via urine and feces) ie:

a) Testosterone formate ......................has an approx half life of

1.5 days in most people (not all)

Testosterone acetate ......................has an approx half life of

3 days in most people (not all)

c) Testosterone propionate ..................has an approx half life of

4.5 days in most people (not all)

d) Testosterone enanthate ...................has an approx half life of

10.5 days in most people (not all)

e) Testosterone cypionate ....................has an approx half life of

12 days in most people (not all)

f) Testosterone undecanoate (Nebido) ..has an approx half life of 16.5

days in most people (not all)

I understand some metabolize T faster then others, but chances are that

it may last 12 days? I will continue to get labs until I find the level

off point, whatever therapy I go with, but was just curious if the above

statements are legitimate or not.

BR//Matt

On 2/12/2011 12:12 PM, philip georgian wrote:

>

> Matt,

>

> All I am trying to do for you is give you a heads up about now to do

> TRT. The way I read you post it looked to me like your Dr. was trying

> 200 mgs every 2 weeks. Good Dr.'s give a jump start shot of 200 mgs

> but go on to do 100 mgs the next week. You need to do this if your

> feeling better do a 100 mgs in a week don't wait 2 weeks. As for gels

> they did not work for me I could not get good levels at the time I did

> gels the lab my Dr. used went up to 1592.

>

> My labs were 550 to 600 on 10 grams of Gel. If this were Quest labs

> with there top of range at 1100 I would be in the mid 300's.

>

> As for HCG I would not try doing just HCG by it's self I only know a

> few men of 100's that feel good on HCG alone.

>

> As for Cortisol levels what came first the chicken or the egg. Low T

> can cause low cortisol and low cortisol can cause low T. It's best to

> treat both later when your leveled off you can come off Cortisol meds.

>

> I tied chills Hormones 101 very hard to do I was all over the place

> going from good to bad. It's working my Problems with high E2 are much

> less now but my Preg. levels went do high my Dr. told me to stop doing

> the Preg. or Prog. cream until we see my next set of labs.

>

> If you read posts at Dr. 's about doing Preg. or Prog. most have

> having a time of it.

>

> If you wait 2 weeks to do some thing after this shot your most likely

> to feel like crap again if not worse in 2 weeks.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > 200mgs every 2 weeks will NOT normalize your

> > levels -

> > > > 50mgs 2x/week ic

> > > > > much better

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Well I didn't get all the answers,

> > but that

> > > > is the case with many

> > > > > of our

> > > > > > > ailments. It does appear that I

> > have

> > > > something going on outside of

> > > > > low T.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here are my out of range labs

> > (Quest):

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > HDL 33 mg/dL (40+)

> > > > > > > Creatinine 1.48 mg/dL (0.9-1.33)

> > > > > > > eGFR 55 mL/min/1.73m2 (60+)

> > > > > > > Albumin/Globulin Ratio 2.2

> > (1.0-2.1,

> > > > Alb=4/8, Glob=2.2)

> > > > > > > Dihydrotestosterone 21 ng/dL

> > (25-75)

> > > > > > > Absolute EOSINOPHILS 0 cells/uL

> > (15-500) /Dr

> > > > said this was the

> > > > > > > first time he has seen this/

> > > > > > > Testosterone 201 ng/dL (250-1100)

> > > > > > > Free Testosterone 42.4 pg/mL

> > (35-155)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Everything else is normal, but

> > things that

> > > > may be of interest:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vitamin D 74 ng/mL (30-100) [i

> > have been

> > > > taking

> > > > > > > 10k IU per day with vitamin K]

> > > > > > > Cholesterol total 149 mg/dL

> > (125-200)

> > > > > > > Triglycerides 72 mg/dL (<150)

> > > > > > > LDL Cholesterol 102 mg/dL

> > (<130)

> > > > > > > TSH 1.50 mIU/L (0.40-4.50)

> > > > > > > Negative for TSH Antibody

> > > > > > > T4 Free 1.3 ng/dL (0.8-1.8)

> > > > > > > T3 Free 2.9 pg/mL (2.3-4.2)

> > > > > > > SHBG 21 nmol/L (8-48)

> > > > > > > Estradiol Ultrasensitive <2

> > pg/mL (<

> > > > OR = 29)

> > > > > > > IGF 1 329 ng/mL (64-334)

> > > > > > > Estrone 17 pq/mL (< OR = 68)

> > > > > > > Estriol <0.10 ng/mL (< OR =

> > 0.18)

> > > > > > > DHEA Sulfate 269 mcg/dL (110-370)

> > > > > > > FSH 6.2 mIU/mL (1.6-8.0)

> > > > > > > LH 2.0 mIU/mL (1.5-9.3)

> > > > > > > Cortisol 9.0 mcg/dL (4-22)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If there is something else I

> > probably have

> > > > it just did not type it

> > > > > in so

> > > > > > > ask if its crucial.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The Dr was concerned about the

> > Creatinine

> > > > and the eGFR, I have been

> > > > > > > reading on this, I think it may be

> > due to

> > > > the additional muscle

> > > > > mass I

> > > > > > > have (I am stalky) as I have read

> > > > bodybuilders can have a normal

> > > > > reading

> > > > > > > of 2 simply because of the muscle

> > mass they

> > > > carry.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have no idea about the

> > EOSINOPHILS, these

> > > > are supposed to be

> > > > > related

> > > > > > > to allergies but it could indicate

> > a

> > > > bacterial infection from what

> > > > > I gather.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > HDL has been low always, although

> > in the

> > > > past I was closer to the

> > > > > > > borderline at ~37. My overall

> > cholesterol is

> > > > down though, I had been

> > > > > > > working on losing weight for the

> > past ~ 2

> > > > months and eating better. I

> > > > > > > take slow niacin at night with

> > policosanol

> > > > now, so I expected it was

> > > > > > > going to go up but its down.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Obviously not converting T to E or

> > DHT, FSH

> > > > is good but LH is low,

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > really sure why.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have more labs on Friday to do,

> > urine test

> > > > and more blood labs.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I went ahead and did a T shot

> > today, to see

> > > > how this makes me feel

> > > > > since

> > > > > > > I never really got into normal

> > ranges with

> > > > Androgel before. I

> > > > > think it

> > > > > > > is possible that my low T is just

> > causing

> > > > extra stress on top of

> > > > > my HIGH

> > > > > > > stress job, and its driving the

> > rest of my

> > > > system out of whack so

> > > > > wanted

> > > > > > > to try this. The Dr is open to

> > using HCG

> > > > instead, if I feel good on T

> > > > > > > we will start HCG next week and

> > eventually

> > > > make that the only therapy.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I still don't see any reason why

> > my HPTA is

> > > > not telling my body to

> > > > > > > produce T though, maybe more labs

> > will

> > > > help.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > BR//Matt

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> > have been

> > > > removed]

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Yes there are some men that can get by on a 200 mgs shot every 2 weeks but it's

rare. HCG will act like LH to get your testis to make T but how much will they

make that's the question. Like Hardasnails says one should cover all things

that can lower T levels then when nothing shows up try a Clomid Stim. or HCG

Stim. test before trying Test Shots. To see how well the testis work.

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 200mgs every 2 weeks will NOT

> normalize your

> > > levels -

> > > > > 50mgs 2x/week ic

> > > > > > much better

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Well I didn't get all

> the answers,

> > > but that

> > > > > is the case with many

> > > > > > of our

> > > > > > > > ailments. It does appear

> that I

> > > have

> > > > > something going on outside of

> > > > > > low T.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Here are my out of range

> labs

> > > (Quest):

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > HDL 33 mg/dL (40+)

> > > > > > > > Creatinine 1.48 mg/dL

> (0.9-1.33)

> > > > > > > > eGFR 55 mL/min/1.73m2

> (60+)

> > > > > > > > Albumin/Globulin Ratio

> 2.2

> > > (1.0-2.1,

> > > > > Alb=4/8, Glob=2.2)

> > > > > > > > Dihydrotestosterone 21

> ng/dL

> > > (25-75)

> > > > > > > > Absolute EOSINOPHILS 0

> cells/uL

> > > (15-500) /Dr

> > > > > said this was the

> > > > > > > > first time he has seen

> this/

> > > > > > > > Testosterone 201 ng/dL

> (250-1100)

> > > > > > > > Free Testosterone 42.4

> pg/mL

> > > (35-155)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Everything else is

> normal, but

> > > things that

> > > > > may be of interest:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vitamin D 74 ng/mL

> (30-100) [i

> > > have been

> > > > > taking

> > > > > > > > 10k IU per day with

> vitamin K]

> > > > > > > > Cholesterol total 149

> mg/dL

> > > (125-200)

> > > > > > > > Triglycerides 72 mg/dL

> (<150)

> > > > > > > > LDL Cholesterol 102

> mg/dL

> > > (<130)

> > > > > > > > TSH 1.50 mIU/L

> (0.40-4.50)

> > > > > > > > Negative for TSH

> Antibody

> > > > > > > > T4 Free 1.3 ng/dL

> (0.8-1.8)

> > > > > > > > T3 Free 2.9 pg/mL

> (2.3-4.2)

> > > > > > > > SHBG 21 nmol/L (8-48)

> > > > > > > > Estradiol Ultrasensitive

> <2

> > > pg/mL (<

> > > > > OR = 29)

> > > > > > > > IGF 1 329 ng/mL

> (64-334)

> > > > > > > > Estrone 17 pq/mL (<

> OR = 68)

> > > > > > > > Estriol <0.10 ng/mL

> (< OR =

> > > 0.18)

> > > > > > > > DHEA Sulfate 269 mcg/dL

> (110-370)

> > > > > > > > FSH 6.2 mIU/mL

> (1.6-8.0)

> > > > > > > > LH 2.0 mIU/mL (1.5-9.3)

> > > > > > > > Cortisol 9.0 mcg/dL

> (4-22)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If there is something

> else I

> > > probably have

> > > > > it just did not type it

> > > > > > in so

> > > > > > > > ask if its crucial.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The Dr was concerned

> about the

> > > Creatinine

> > > > > and the eGFR, I have been

> > > > > > > > reading on this, I think

> it may be

> > > due to

> > > > > the additional muscle

> > > > > > mass I

> > > > > > > > have (I am stalky) as I

> have read

> > > > > bodybuilders can have a normal

> > > > > > reading

> > > > > > > > of 2 simply because of

> the muscle

> > > mass they

> > > > > carry.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have no idea about

> the

> > > EOSINOPHILS, these

> > > > > are supposed to be

> > > > > > related

> > > > > > > > to allergies but it

> could indicate

> > > a

> > > > > bacterial infection from what

> > > > > > I gather.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > HDL has been low always,

> although

> > > in the

> > > > > past I was closer to the

> > > > > > > > borderline at ~37. My

> overall

> > > cholesterol is

> > > > > down though, I had been

> > > > > > > > working on losing weight

> for the

> > > past ~ 2

> > > > > months and eating better. I

> > > > > > > > take slow niacin at

> night with

> > > policosanol

> > > > > now, so I expected it was

> > > > > > > > going to go up but its

> down.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Obviously not converting

> T to E or

> > > DHT, FSH

> > > > > is good but LH is low,

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > really sure why.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have more labs on

> Friday to do,

> > > urine test

> > > > > and more blood labs.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I went ahead and did a T

> shot

> > > today, to see

> > > > > how this makes me feel

> > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > I never really got into

> normal

> > > ranges with

> > > > > Androgel before. I

> > > > > > think it

> > > > > > > > is possible that my low

> T is just

> > > causing

> > > > > extra stress on top of

> > > > > > my HIGH

> > > > > > > > stress job, and its

> driving the

> > > rest of my

> > > > > system out of whack so

> > > > > > wanted

> > > > > > > > to try this. The Dr is

> open to

> > > using HCG

> > > > > instead, if I feel good on T

> > > > > > > > we will start HCG next

> week and

> > > eventually

> > > > > make that the only therapy.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I still don't see any

> reason why

> > > my HPTA is

> > > > > not telling my body to

> > > > > > > > produce T though, maybe

> more labs

> > > will

> > > > > help.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > BR//Matt

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of

> this message

> > > have been

> > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> been

> > > removed]

> > > > >

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> > > > >

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