TRT, HcG, Pitutitary gland tumor and small testicles.

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Unfortunately, Cenegenics doctors commonly prescribe HCG at doses which are

too high.

Any more than 500iu at a time is likely to NOT raise T any further, but will

elevate E and PROG-both highly feminizing hormones.

This is why so many of the Cenegenics patients need estrogen

control-needlessly.

Be well!

Regards,

Crisler, DO

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What is your recommended dose of HcG and when.. I am currently taking 500

IU on the 5th and again on the 6th day after my Test. injection.

In a message dated 5/26/2010 1:21:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

drjohn@... writes:

Unfortunately, Cenegenics doctors commonly prescribe HCG at doses which are

too high.

Any more than 500iu at a time is likely to NOT raise T any further, but

will

elevate E and PROG-both highly feminizing hormones.

This is why so many of the Cenegenics patients need estrogen

control-needlessly.

Be well!

Regards,

Crisler, DO

Anti-Aging Medicine

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In a message dated 5/26/2010 5:40:52 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,

gviceman77@... writes:

What is your recommended dose of HcG and when.. I am currently taking 500

IU on the 5th and again on the 6th day after my Test. injection.

Read the stuff here: _http://www.allthingsmale.com/publications.html_

(http://www.allthingsmale.com/publications.html)

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You might find you don't need this much I do lads every 8 weeks here is what I

did to figure this out I went down on the dose of HCG from at the time 500 IU's

to 450 held this for 8 weeks did labs and my levels were about the same. So I

went down to 400 IU's next set of labs in 8 weeks about the same. So we lower it

down to 350 IU's on my next set of labs my levels fell so I went back up to 400

IU's.

Now in time I find this was not the right way to do this I should have stayed on

the 350 IU's. As time went on doing 400 IU's my E2 kept going higher and I

needed more Arimidex to keep it down. Today I only do 250 IU's.

One more thing I found I was doing wrong was not letting it sit for 30 min's of

over night after first mixing it. So when I took the first shot out of the vial

it was unmixed HCG and ending up a very strong dose.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: WithBACON@... <WithBACON@...>

> Subject: Re: TRT, HcG, Pitutitary gland tumor and small

testicles.

>

> Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 9:43 PM

>

> In a message dated 5/26/2010 5:40:52 P.M. US Mountain

> Standard Time, 

> gviceman77@...

> writes:

>

> What  is your recommended dose of HcG and when.. I am

> currently taking 500

> IU on  the 5th and again on the 6th day after my

> Test.  injection.

>

>

>

> Read the stuff here: _http://www.allthingsmale.com/publications.html_

> (http://www.allthingsmale.com/publications.html)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Never more than 500iu at a time. Doing so does not produce more T-there are

only so many Leydig cells available to produce testosterone-but does

increase E and PROG (both feminizing hormones in men).

It should be quite rare to need an aromatase inhibitor on HCG-only TRT. IF

you need one, always look to HCG dosing.

Some cannot take even that much.

Be well!

Regards,

Crisler, DO

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Thank you Dr. this needs to be said over and over and over again.

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Phil

> From: Crisler, DO <drjohn@...>

> Subject: Re: TRT, HcG, Pitutitary gland tumor and small

testicles.

>

> Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 8:47 AM

> Never more than 500iu at a time.

> Doing so does not produce more T-there are

> only so many Leydig cells available to produce

> testosterone-but does

> increase E and PROG (both feminizing hormones in men).

>

>

>

> It should be quite rare to need an aromatase inhibitor on

> HCG-only TRT. IF

> you need one, always look to HCG dosing.

>

>

>

> Some cannot take even that much.

>

>

>

> Be well!

>

> Regards,

>

>

> Crisler, DO

>

> Anti-Aging Medicine

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