Re: Help with dh labs please

[Guest guest]

Wow I take 5mcgs 2x's a day tried going up to 3x's / day felt hyper.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Barb <baba@...>

> Subject: Re: Help with dh labs please

>

> Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 3:23 PM

> Just FYI, I added 25 mcg to DH's 2 gr

> Erfa and he is doing MUCH better.  Your brain runs off

> T4 and converts it to T3 up there with its own enzymes.

>

> Barb

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Phil I am bumping this up for further

> comment on Testosterone: you mention the need to *find out

> first* whether primary or secondary, prior to treatment--is

> there anything else besides below labs that would indicate

> either P/S to you (want to avoid expense of mri if

> possible)..I am unsure of all the parmeters taken into

> account to determine 'which it is' ..I totally forgot to

> have progesterone/SHBG done..

> > > >

> > > > Is pregnenalone cream now the recommendation

> or progesterone and does testing or symptom relief matter

> more? Thanks EL

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > TSH   1.87 (.45-4.5)

> > > > > Free T3  3.0 (2.0-4.4)

> > > > > Free T4   0.99

> (.82-1.77)

> > > > > E2 Q4021 sensitive  24.6 (6.42.5)

> > > > > LH 5.4 (1.7-8.6)

> > > > > FSH 7.8 (1.5-12.4)

> > > > > Prolactin 7.5 (4.0-15.7)

> > > > > Testosterone serum  243 (280-800)

> > > > > Free Testosterone direct  5.6

> (7.2-24.0)

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I meant to say I added 25 mcg T4.

> > > > >

> > > > > Phil I am bumping this up for further

> > comment on Testosterone: you mention the need to *find out

> > first* whether primary or secondary, prior to treatment--is

> > there anything else besides below labs that would indicate

> > either P/S to you (want to avoid expense of mri if

> > possible)..I am unsure of all the parmeters taken into

> > account to determine 'which it is' ..I totally forgot to

> > have progesterone/SHBG done..

> > > > >

> > > > > Is pregnenalone cream now the recommendation

> > or progesterone and does testing or symptom relief matter

> > more? Thanks EL

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > TSH   1.87 (.45-4.5)

> > > > > > Free T3  3.0 (2.0-4.4)

> > > > > > Free T4   0.99

> > (.82-1.77)

> > > > > > E2 Q4021 sensitive  24.6 (6.42.5)

> > > > > > LH 5.4 (1.7-8.6)

> > > > > > FSH 7.8 (1.5-12.4)

> > > > > > Prolactin 7.5 (4.0-15.7)

> > > > > > Testosterone serum  243 (280-800)

> > > > > > Free Testosterone direct  5.6

> > (7.2-24.0)

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

If your heels are now smooth, than that's a big improvement, and you did say you

were feeling better since starting the progesterone!

Are you wife's heels smooth? How is her ferritin?

> > > > >

> > > > > Phil I am bumping this up for further

> > comment on

> > > > Testosterone: you mention the need to *find out

> > first*

> > > > whether primary or secondary, prior to

> > treatment--is there

> > > > anything else besides below labs that would

> > indicate either

> > > > P/S to you (want to avoid expense of mri if

> > possible)..I am

> > > > unsure of all the parmeters taken into account to

> > determine

> > > > 'which it is' ..I totally forgot to have

> > progesterone/SHBG

> > > > done..

> > > > >

> > > > > Is pregnenalone cream now the recommendation

> > or

> > > > progesterone and does testing or symptom relief

> > matter more?

> > > > Thanks EL

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > TSH   1.87 (.45-4.5)

> > > > > > Free T3  3.0 (2.0-4.4)

> > > > > > Free T4   0.99 (.82-1.77)

> > > > > > E2 Q4021 sensitive  24.6 (6.42.5)

> > > > > > LH 5.4 (1.7-8.6)

> > > > > > FSH 7.8 (1.5-12.4)

> > > > > > Prolactin 7.5 (4.0-15.7)

> > > > > > Testosterone serum  243 (280-800)

> > > > > > Free Testosterone direct  5.6

> > (7.2-24.0)

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Using Test Cyp Phil? EL

> > >

> > > > From: mbmom123 <lathe30248@>

> > > > Subject: Re: Help with dh labs

> > please

> > > >

> > > > Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 10:47 AM

> > > > Phil I am bumping this up for further

> > > > comment on Testosterone: you mention the need to

> > *find out

> > > > first* whether primary or secondary, prior to

> > treatment--is

> > > > there anything else besides below labs that would

> > indicate

> > > > either P/S to you (want to avoid expense of mri

> > if

> > > > possible)..I am unsure of all the parmeters taken

> > into

> > > > account to determine 'which it is' ..I totally

> > forgot to

> > > > have progesterone/SHBG done..

> > > >

> > > > Is pregnenalone cream now the recommendation or

> > > > progesterone and does testing or symptom relief

> > matter more?

> > > > Thanks EL

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > TSH   1.87 (.45-4.5)

> > > > > Free T3  3.0 (2.0-4.4)

> > > > > Free T4   0.99 (.82-1.77)

> > > > > E2 Q4021 sensitive  24.6 (6.42.5)

> > > > > LH 5.4 (1.7-8.6)

> > > > > FSH 7.8 (1.5-12.4)

> > > > > Prolactin 7.5 (4.0-15.7)

> > > > > Testosterone serum  243 (280-800)

> > > > > Free Testosterone direct  5.6 (7.2-24.0)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks Barb, adding in T4 something to think about..EL

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Phil I am bumping this up for further

> > > comment on Testosterone: you mention the need to *find out

> > > first* whether primary or secondary, prior to treatment--is

> > > there anything else besides below labs that would indicate

> > > either P/S to you (want to avoid expense of mri if

> > > possible)..I am unsure of all the parmeters taken into

> > > account to determine 'which it is' ..I totally forgot to

> > > have progesterone/SHBG done..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is pregnenalone cream now the recommendation

> > > or progesterone and does testing or symptom relief matter

> > > more? Thanks EL

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > TSH   1.87 (.45-4.5)

> > > > > > > Free T3  3.0 (2.0-4.4)

> > > > > > > Free T4   0.99

> > > (.82-1.77)

> > > > > > > E2 Q4021 sensitive  24.6 (6.42.5)

> > > > > > > LH 5.4 (1.7-8.6)

> > > > > > > FSH 7.8 (1.5-12.4)

> > > > > > > Prolactin 7.5 (4.0-15.7)

> > > > > > > Testosterone serum  243 (280-800)

> > > > > > > Free Testosterone direct  5.6

> > > (7.2-24.0)

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

She is good only thing wrong with her is me no her thyroid is hard to keep

leveled. She has Hashimoto's and is constipated all the time I think she goes

to the bath room once a week if she is lucky. We have a party when she goes.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Barb <baba@...>

> Subject: Re: Help with dh labs please

>

> Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 4:24 PM

> If your heels are now smooth, than

> that's a big improvement, and you did say you were feeling

> better since starting the progesterone!

>

> Are you wife's heels smooth?  How is her ferritin?

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Phil I am bumping this up for

> further

> > > comment on

> > > > > Testosterone: you mention the need to

> *find out

> > > first*

> > > > > whether primary or secondary, prior to

> > > treatment--is there

> > > > > anything else besides below labs that

> would

> > > indicate either

> > > > > P/S to you (want to avoid expense of

> mri if

> > > possible)..I am

> > > > > unsure of all the parmeters taken into

> account to

> > > determine

> > > > > 'which it is' ..I totally forgot to

> have

> > > progesterone/SHBG

> > > > > done..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is pregnenalone cream now the

> recommendation

> > > or

> > > > > progesterone and does testing or

> symptom relief

> > > matter more?

> > > > > Thanks EL

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > TSH   1.87 (.45-4.5)

> > > > > > > Free T3  3.0 (2.0-4.4)

> > > > > > > Free T4   0.99 (.82-1.77)

> > > > > > > E2 Q4021 sensitive  24.6

> (6.42.5)

> > > > > > > LH 5.4 (1.7-8.6)

> > > > > > > FSH 7.8 (1.5-12.4)

> > > > > > > Prolactin 7.5 (4.0-15.7)

> > > > > > > Testosterone serum  243

> (280-800)

> > > > > > > Free Testosterone direct 

> 5.6

> > > (7.2-24.0)

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Yes this my Dr. feels is the best I can't get a 10ml vial all I can get on my

drug plain is 1ml vials but if you go with test C get 200mgs./ml this way the

shot is smaller.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: mbmom123 <lathe30248@...>

> Subject: Re: Help with dh labs please

>

> Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 5:00 PM

> Using Test Cyp Phil? EL

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: mbmom123 <lathe30248@>

> > > > > Subject: Re: Help with

> dh labs

> > > please

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 10:47

> AM

> > > > > Phil I am bumping this up for further

> > > > > comment on Testosterone: you mention

> the need to

> > > *find out

> > > > > first* whether primary or secondary,

> prior to

> > > treatment--is

> > > > > there anything else besides below labs

> that would

> > > indicate

> > > > > either P/S to you (want to avoid

> expense of mri

> > > if

> > > > > possible)..I am unsure of all the

> parmeters taken

> > > into

> > > > > account to determine 'which it is' ..I

> totally

> > > forgot to

> > > > > have progesterone/SHBG done..

> > > > >

> > > > > Is pregnenalone cream now the

> recommendation or

> > > > > progesterone and does testing or

> symptom relief

> > > matter more?

> > > > > Thanks EL

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > TSH   1.87 (.45-4.5)

> > > > > > Free T3  3.0 (2.0-4.4)

> > > > > > Free T4   0.99 (.82-1.77)

> > > > > > E2 Q4021 sensitive  24.6

> (6.42.5)

> > > > > > LH 5.4 (1.7-8.6)

> > > > > > FSH 7.8 (1.5-12.4)

> > > > > > Prolactin 7.5 (4.0-15.7)

> > > > > > Testosterone serum  243

> (280-800)

> > > > > > Free Testosterone direct  5.6

> (7.2-24.0)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Phil, you remind me of Grandpa Walton. Grandma Walton would always brush him

away and say, " you old goat! "

Once a week! You're supposed to go at least twice a day!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Phil I am bumping this up for

> > further

> > > > comment on

> > > > > > Testosterone: you mention the need to

> > *find out

> > > > first*

> > > > > > whether primary or secondary, prior to

> > > > treatment--is there

> > > > > > anything else besides below labs that

> > would

> > > > indicate either

> > > > > > P/S to you (want to avoid expense of

> > mri if

> > > > possible)..I am

> > > > > > unsure of all the parmeters taken into

> > account to

> > > > determine

> > > > > > 'which it is' ..I totally forgot to

> > have

> > > > progesterone/SHBG

> > > > > > done..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Is pregnenalone cream now the

> > recommendation

> > > > or

> > > > > > progesterone and does testing or

> > symptom relief

> > > > matter more?

> > > > > > Thanks EL

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > TSH   1.87 (.45-4.5)

> > > > > > > > Free T3  3.0 (2.0-4.4)

> > > > > > > > Free T4   0.99 (.82-1.77)

> > > > > > > > E2 Q4021 sensitive  24.6

> > (6.42.5)

> > > > > > > > LH 5.4 (1.7-8.6)

> > > > > > > > FSH 7.8 (1.5-12.4)

> > > > > > > > Prolactin 7.5 (4.0-15.7)

> > > > > > > > Testosterone serum  243

> > (280-800)

> > > > > > > > Free Testosterone direct 

> > 5.6

> > > > (7.2-24.0)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

((((((((((((((((HUG)))))))))))))

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Barb <baba@...>

> Subject: Re: Help with dh labs please

>

> Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 9:39 PM

> Phil, you remind me of Grandpa

> Walton.  Grandma Walton would always brush him away and

> say, " you old goat! "

>

> Once a week!  You're supposed to go at least twice a

> day!

>

>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Phil I am bumping this

> up for

> > > further

> > > > > comment on

> > > > > > > Testosterone: you mention the

> need to

> > > *find out

> > > > > first*

> > > > > > > whether primary or secondary,

> prior to

> > > > > treatment--is there

> > > > > > > anything else besides below

> labs that

> > > would

> > > > > indicate either

> > > > > > > P/S to you (want to avoid

> expense of

> > > mri if

> > > > > possible)..I am

> > > > > > > unsure of all the parmeters

> taken into

> > > account to

> > > > > determine

> > > > > > > 'which it is' ..I totally

> forgot to

> > > have

> > > > > progesterone/SHBG

> > > > > > > done..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Is pregnenalone cream

> now the

> > > recommendation

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > progesterone and does testing

> or

> > > symptom relief

> > > > > matter more?

> > > > > > > Thanks EL

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > TSH   1.87

> (.45-4.5)

> > > > > > > > > Free T3  3.0

> (2.0-4.4)

> > > > > > > > > Free T4   0.99

> (.82-1.77)

> > > > > > > > > E2 Q4021

> sensitive  24.6

> > > (6.42.5)

> > > > > > > > > LH 5.4 (1.7-8.6)

> > > > > > > > > FSH 7.8 (1.5-12.4)

> > > > > > > > > Prolactin 7.5

> (4.0-15.7)

> > > > > > > > > Testosterone

> serum  243

> > > (280-800)

> > > > > > > > > Free Testosterone

> direct 

> > > 5.6

> > > > > (7.2-24.0)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Awww. . . . ((HUG back))

You and DH can affectionately be called Groper, the Sesame Street character

nobody talks about

Barb

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Phil I am bumping this

> > up for

> > > > further

> > > > > > comment on

> > > > > > > > Testosterone: you mention the

> > need to

> > > > *find out

> > > > > > first*

> > > > > > > > whether primary or secondary,

> > prior to

> > > > > > treatment--is there

> > > > > > > > anything else besides below

> > labs that

> > > > would

> > > > > > indicate either

> > > > > > > > P/S to you (want to avoid

> > expense of

> > > > mri if

> > > > > > possible)..I am

> > > > > > > > unsure of all the parmeters

> > taken into

> > > > account to

> > > > > > determine

> > > > > > > > 'which it is' ..I totally

> > forgot to

> > > > have

> > > > > > progesterone/SHBG

> > > > > > > > done..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Is pregnenalone cream

> > now the

> > > > recommendation

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > progesterone and does testing

> > or

> > > > symptom relief

> > > > > > matter more?

> > > > > > > > Thanks EL

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > TSH   1.87

> > (.45-4.5)

> > > > > > > > > > Free T3  3.0

> > (2.0-4.4)

> > > > > > > > > > Free T4   0.99

> > (.82-1.77)

> > > > > > > > > > E2 Q4021

> > sensitive  24.6

> > > > (6.42.5)

> > > > > > > > > > LH 5.4 (1.7-8.6)

> > > > > > > > > > FSH 7.8 (1.5-12.4)

> > > > > > > > > > Prolactin 7.5

> > (4.0-15.7)

> > > > > > > > > > Testosterone

> > serum  243

> > > > (280-800)

> > > > > > > > > > Free Testosterone

> > direct 

> > > > 5.6

> > > > > > (7.2-24.0)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I like to think of myself as the cookie monster.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Barb <baba@...>

> Subject: Re: Help with dh labs please

>

> Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 5:56 PM

> Awww. . . . ((HUG back))

>

> You and DH can affectionately be called Groper, the Sesame

> Street character nobody talks about

>

> Barb

>

>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Phil I am

> bumping this

> > > up for

> > > > > further

> > > > > > > comment on

> > > > > > > > > Testosterone: you

> mention the

> > > need to

> > > > > *find out

> > > > > > > first*

> > > > > > > > > whether primary or

> secondary,

> > > prior to

> > > > > > > treatment--is there

> > > > > > > > > anything else

> besides below

> > > labs that

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > indicate either

> > > > > > > > > P/S to you (want to

> avoid

> > > expense of

> > > > > mri if

> > > > > > > possible)..I am

> > > > > > > > > unsure of all the

> parmeters

> > > taken into

> > > > > account to

> > > > > > > determine

> > > > > > > > > 'which it is' ..I

> totally

> > > forgot to

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > progesterone/SHBG

> > > > > > > > > done..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Is

> pregnenalone cream

> > > now the

> > > > > recommendation

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > progesterone and

> does testing

> > > or

> > > > > symptom relief

> > > > > > > matter more?

> > > > > > > > > Thanks EL

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> TSH   1.87

> > > (.45-4.5)

> > > > > > > > > > > Free T3 

> 3.0

> > > (2.0-4.4)

> > > > > > > > > > > Free

> T4   0.99

> > > (.82-1.77)

> > > > > > > > > > > E2 Q4021

> > > sensitive  24.6

> > > > > (6.42.5)

> > > > > > > > > > > LH 5.4

> (1.7-8.6)

> > > > > > > > > > > FSH 7.8

> (1.5-12.4)

> > > > > > > > > > > Prolactin

> 7.5

> > > (4.0-15.7)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> Testosterone

> > > serum  243

> > > > > (280-800)

> > > > > > > > > > > Free

> Testosterone

> > > direct 

> > > > > 5.6

> > > > > > > (7.2-24.0)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

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