Re: estradiol quandry

[Guest guest]

Yes go on the Androgel read this file I made about starting on gels at the end

of this reply. Get his Estradiol levels tested you can buy this test at this

link but call them and ask for the Sensitive Test for men.

http://www.lef.org/BloodTest/

If his levels are above 30 best at 20 pg/ml get the following from the link

Indolplex/DIM it is sold OTC and works it's a supplement made from cruciferous

vegetables.

http://www.dimfaq.com/index.htm

http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0

Take one at dinner time when his levels come down he will get back his night

time and morning woood this means he is at his best level.

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Starting on Androgel or Testim.

Yes this happens a lot you start on a low starting dose 5 grams when your brain

sees the testosterone in your blood even just a little it slows down even stops

sending the LH and FSH message to your testis to make the Testosterone you were

making. So lets say your labs for Total T were 350 you add this dose of gel

your brain sees this and you lose the base level you had before the gel.

Now lets say you need more then 5 grams most do so now all your left with is

what the gel is doing so lets say it's doing 200 so you lost 150.

The reason you feel good is your levels go up that 200 the gel is doing in the

first 2 weeks so your levels go up to 550 in theory. The brain sees this and

you fall back.

Why can this happen it might be how your putting on the gel with Androgel you

need to spread it over your upper arms and shoulders and down your back as far

as you can reach this is half of your dose then do the other side. Just spread

it over the area but don't rub it in.

The other thing is it's not getting through your skin good so you need more. If

you have a thyroid problem your skin will become thicker and gels and creams

don't get through the skin and you need to switch to shots.

I tell men when they go on Gels to retest in 2 weeks because you can end up

feeling worse. Most men just need more gel. Dr.'s that tell men to go on 5

grams of gel and come back in 8 to 12 weeks for labs don't know much about the

use of gels. Dr.'s that treat a lot of men for low T on gels see this happen

and test them again in 2 weeks.

When you go to do labs get up and shower that morning go do your labs and then

put in the gel after your blood test so you don’t spike up your labs. If you

can’t do labs in the morning shower put on the gel but don’t get any gel on

the spot they take the blood from. Do your labs about 6 hrs later.

Call your Dr. and tell him this and that your not feeling good you were but fell

back.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: mysticgrl77 <mystic_pizza7@...>

> Subject: estradiol quandry

>

> Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 6:00 PM

> I just got off the phone with my

> husbands Dr. and I emailed him Dr. crislers HRT recipe for

> success...he said he doesnt usually test estradiol levels im

> kinda frustrated with all this I dont understand  this

> confusion. He said it wasnt in the protical.He is suppose to

> start  on androgel. Should i let my husband start the

> androgel...i dont know what to do. could he get the levels

> tested after he starts the androgel or would that screw

> things up? I just know this dr. isnt going to treat E levels

> and weve been to 3 drs so far. I know we could pay to get it

> tested.... but than what? The dr. wont treat it. I dont know

> what to do,,,, This is so frustrating.

>

> ps/...does every man on T need estradiol levels treated?

>

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[Guest guest]

All men are different...but essentially as men age they produce greater amounts

of aromatase enzymes that cause the conversion of testosterone into estrogen.

When Exogenous testosterone is added such as in TRT you want to monitor the

conversion of testosterone to E2 to keep the ratio's in balance.

Each man will convert differently and each man will find he feels best a certain

ratio. This is why the wood-O-meter Phil describes works so well. It is not

practical to test a man's blood level of E2 everyday to determine what his

optimum level would be for him….Plus its changes quite a bit hourly and daily

so….And the wood-O-meter helps to know when heis E2 goes too low.

You use the blood test to know that you are in the general range and symptoms to

fine tune the E2 level and the wood-O-meter is one of the most sensitive

measures.

My husband has a difficult time with his mood when his E2 levels are climbing,

some men have terrible panic attacks, other men can become weepy…it is very

individual and your husband will have to sort and figure out it a. he has high

E2 and b. what his symptoms are when he is experiencing high E2….it is something

he will need to manage as long as he is on TRT.

Judy