Re: Re-Started TRT injections, seems like I need less Thyroid?

[Guest guest]

No this is your Estradiol levels going up not your Thyriod doing Testosterone

shots has no effect on Thyroid meds.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: fprappas <fprappas@...>

> Subject: Re-Started TRT injections, seems like I need less

Thyroid?

>

> Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 2:59 PM

> I restarted TRT Injections and I am

> not having the pain and swelling with a different compounded

> oil the Dr. Prescribed. New Doctor says it is the long chain

> esters in the Cypionate that causes the pain, swelling, rash

> etc..so I get it compounded with another oil and something

> else and it doesn't hurt or swell.

>

> Anyway, I had to reduce my Thyroid meds because I felt my

> heart rate higher and was sweating, kinda jumpy a day after

> my injections.  Does this seem right? Will TRT help

> reduce Thyroid meds. Currently was on 4 grains.

> Thanks,

> Greg

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have not taken any arimidex yet because I started TRT last week my Estradiol

labs was at 6, so when should I start adding arimidex?  Shouldn't my e2 go a

little higher?

Thanks,

Greg

> From: fprappas <fprappas@...>

> Subject: Re-Started TRT injections, seems like I need less

Thyroid?

>

> Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 2:59 PM

> I restarted TRT Injections and I am

> not having the pain and swelling with a different compounded

> oil the Dr. Prescribed. New Doctor says it is the long chain

> esters in the Cypionate that causes the pain, swelling, rash

> etc..so I get it compounded with another oil and something

> else and it doesn't hurt or swell.

>

> Anyway, I had to reduce my Thyroid meds because I felt my

> heart rate higher and was sweating, kinda jumpy a day after

> my injections.  Does this seem right? Will TRT help

> reduce Thyroid meds. Currently was on 4 grains.

> Thanks,

> Greg

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Don't do any arimidex your levels if in pg/ml units is to low men need to be at

about 20 your at 6.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: fprappas <fprappas@...>

> > Subject: Re-Started TRT injections,

> seems like I need less Thyroid?

> >

> > Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 2:59 PM

> > I restarted TRT Injections and I am

> > not having the pain and swelling with a different

> compounded

> > oil the Dr. Prescribed. New Doctor says it is the long

> chain

> > esters in the Cypionate that causes the pain,

> swelling, rash

> > etc..so I get it compounded with another oil and

> something

> > else and it doesn't hurt or swell.

> >

> > Anyway, I had to reduce my Thyroid meds because I felt

> my

> > heart rate higher and was sweating, kinda jumpy a day

> after

> > my injections.  Does this seem right? Will TRT help

> > reduce Thyroid meds. Currently was on 4 grains.

> > Thanks,

> > Greg

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

How do I keep the heart rate and jitters down if the estrogen is causing this. I

though it was my thyroid.

My meds are:

4 grains armour daily

30mg HC Daily

90mg TRT injections 2 twice a week.

Vitimins and minerals

Thanks,

Greg

>

> > From: fprappas <fprappas@...>

> > Subject: Re-Started TRT injections,

> seems like I need less Thyroid?

> >

> > Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 2:59 PM

> > I restarted TRT Injections and I am

> > not having the pain and swelling with a different

> compounded

> > oil the Dr. Prescribed. New Doctor says it is the long

> chain

> > esters in the Cypionate that causes the pain,

> swelling, rash

> > etc..so I get it compounded with another oil and

> something

> > else and it doesn't hurt or swell.

> >

> > Anyway, I had to reduce my Thyroid meds because I felt

> my

> > heart rate higher and was sweating, kinda jumpy a day

> after

> > my injections.  Does this seem right? Will TRT help

> > reduce Thyroid meds. Currently was on 4 grains.

> > Thanks,

> > Greg

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Greg, do you have any recent thyroid labs at all? Apparently, in some, adding

testosterone can reduce thyroid binding globulin, which would then increase your

free thyroid hormone. I personally consider 4 grains to be a high dose, and have

seen most optimize between 1.5 - 3 grains. But I wouldn't want to make that

call without seeing labs.

Barb

> >

> > > From: fprappas <fprappas@...>

> > > Subject: Re-Started TRT injections,

> > seems like I need less Thyroid?

> > >

> > > Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 2:59 PM

> > > I restarted TRT Injections and I am

> > > not having the pain and swelling with a different

> > compounded

> > > oil the Dr. Prescribed. New Doctor says it is the long

> > chain

> > > esters in the Cypionate that causes the pain,

> > swelling, rash

> > > etc..so I get it compounded with another oil and

> > something

> > > else and it doesn't hurt or swell.

> > >

> > > Anyway, I had to reduce my Thyroid meds because I felt

> > my

> > > heart rate higher and was sweating, kinda jumpy a day

> > after

> > > my injections.  Does this seem right? Will TRT help

> > > reduce Thyroid meds. Currently was on 4 grains.

> > > Thanks,

> > > Greg

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Most of us men test the Estradiol doing a Senitive test from Quest or Labcorp.

I use Quest test #4021 I use Arimidex to keep my levels down if you Estradiol

test comes back over 50 you would do better getting it down with Arimidex.

If you can't get your Dr. to test and treat this and you have no morning wood

try some Indolplex/DIM get this brand.

http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0

http://www.dimfaq.com/index.htm

Take one tablet at dinner time when your wood comes back your at your best

levels. keep taking it but later if your wood stops your going down to low.

So if this happens just stop taking it until your wood comes back that day go

back on it but cut the tablet in half.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > > From: fprappas <fprappas@...>

> > > Subject: Re-Started TRT

> injections,

> > seems like I need less Thyroid?

> > >

> > > Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 2:59 PM

> > > I restarted TRT Injections and I am

> > > not having the pain and swelling with a

> different

> > compounded

> > > oil the Dr. Prescribed. New Doctor says it is the

> long

> > chain

> > > esters in the Cypionate that causes the pain,

> > swelling, rash

> > > etc..so I get it compounded with another oil and

> > something

> > > else and it doesn't hurt or swell.

> > >

> > > Anyway, I had to reduce my Thyroid meds because I

> felt

> > my

> > > heart rate higher and was sweating, kinda jumpy a

> day

> > after

> > > my injections.  Does this seem right? Will TRT

> help

> > > reduce Thyroid meds. Currently was on 4 grains.

> > > Thanks,

> > > Greg

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Just wanted to say that Hertoghe told me that once your Testosterone levels goes

UP, you can actually need LESS Thyroid, because your whole body (the system!)

gets better working with Testosterone up! So there will be a better balance

between the two hormones Thyroid and Testosterone!

I think he knows what he's talking about.. I hope! Haha..

> >

> > > From: fprappas <fprappas@...>

> > > Subject: Re-Started TRT

> injections,

> > seems like I need less Thyroid?

> > >

> > > Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 2:59 PM

> > > I restarted TRT Injections and I am

> > > not having the pain and swelling with a

> different

> > compounded

> > > oil the Dr. Prescribed. New Doctor says it is the

> long

> > chain

> > > esters in the Cypionate that causes the pain,

> > swelling, rash

> > > etc..so I get it compounded with another oil and

> > something

> > > else and it doesn't hurt or swell.

> > >

> > > Anyway, I had to reduce my Thyroid meds because I

> felt

> > my

> > > heart rate higher and was sweating, kinda jumpy a

> day

> > after

> > > my injections.  Does this seem right? Will TRT

> help

> > > reduce Thyroid meds. Currently was on 4 grains.

> > > Thanks,

> > > Greg

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

He might be righ I can't say I was on TRT long before going on Thryoud meds.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > >

>

> > > > From: fprappas <fprappas@...>

>

> > > > Subject: Re-Started TRT

>

> > injections,

>

> > > seems like I need less Thyroid?

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 2:59 PM

>

> > > > I restarted TRT Injections and I am

>

> > > > not having the pain and swelling with a

>

> > different

>

> > > compounded

>

> > > > oil the Dr. Prescribed. New Doctor says it

> is the

>

> > long

>

> > > chain

>

> > > > esters in the Cypionate that causes the

> pain,

>

> > > swelling, rash

>

> > > > etc..so I get it compounded with another oil

> and

>

> > > something

>

> > > > else and it doesn't hurt or swell.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Anyway, I had to reduce my Thyroid meds

> because I

>

> > felt

>

> > > my

>

> > > > heart rate higher and was sweating, kinda

> jumpy a

>

> > day

>

> > > after

>

> > > > my injections.  Does this seem right? Will

> TRT

>

> > help

>

> > > > reduce Thyroid meds. Currently was on 4

> grains.

>

> > > > Thanks,

>

> > > > Greg

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > > ------------------------------------

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Yeah I think the principle is simple, and I am starting to get it:

Say you have low testosterone, low thyroid, low dhea, low cortisol, low growth

hormone. And you take ONLY Thyroid. You get a certain effect from it. It can be

quite a good effect too. BUT you will put too much PRESSURE on one hormone:

Thyroid. Leaving the others unbalanced. If you take less Thyroid, and more of

the others = Balance! This is Hertoghes regime.

>

> > >

>

> > > > From: fprappas <fprappas@...>

>

> > > > Subject: Re-Started TRT

>

> > injections,

>

> > > seems like I need less Thyroid?

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 2:59 PM

>

> > > > I restarted TRT Injections and I am

>

> > > > not having the pain and swelling with a

>

> > different

>

> > > compounded

>

> > > > oil the Dr. Prescribed. New Doctor says it

> is the

>

> > long

>

> > > chain

>

> > > > esters in the Cypionate that causes the

> pain,

>

> > > swelling, rash

>

> > > > etc..so I get it compounded with another oil

> and

>

> > > something

>

> > > > else and it doesn't hurt or swell.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Anyway, I had to reduce my Thyroid meds

> because I

>

> > felt

>

> > > my

>

> > > > heart rate higher and was sweating, kinda

> jumpy a

>

> > day

>

> > > after

>

> > > > my injections.  Does this seem right? Will

> TRT

>

> > help

>

> > > > reduce Thyroid meds. Currently was on 4

> grains.

>

> > > > Thanks,

>

> > > > Greg

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > > ------------------------------------

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

[Guest guest]

You need them all in balance they you get better music.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > > > > From: fprappas <fprappas@...>

>

> >

>

> > > > > Subject: Re-Started TRT

>

> >

>

> > > injections,

>

> >

>

> > > > seems like I need less Thyroid?

>

> >

>

> > > > >

>

> >

>

> > > > > Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 2:59

> PM

>

> >

>

> > > > > I restarted TRT Injections and I am

>

> >

>

> > > > > not having the pain and swelling with

> a

>

> >

>

> > > different

>

> >

>

> > > > compounded

>

> >

>

> > > > > oil the Dr. Prescribed. New Doctor says

> it

>

> > is the

>

> >

>

> > > long

>

> >

>

> > > > chain

>

> >

>

> > > > > esters in the Cypionate that causes

> the

>

> > pain,

>

> >

>

> > > > swelling, rash

>

> >

>

> > > > > etc..so I get it compounded with

> another oil

>

> > and

>

> >

>

> > > > something

>

> >

>

> > > > > else and it doesn't hurt or swell.

>

> >

>

> > > > >

>

> >

>

> > > > > Anyway, I had to reduce my Thyroid

> meds

>

> > because I

>

> >

>

> > > felt

>

> >

>

> > > > my

>

> >

>

> > > > > heart rate higher and was sweating,

> kinda

>

> > jumpy a

>

> >

>

> > > day

>

> >

>

> > > > after

>

> >

>

> > > > > my injections.  Does this seem right?

> Will

>

> > TRT

>

> >

>

> > > help

>

> >

>

> > > > > reduce Thyroid meds. Currently was on

> 4

>

> > grains.

>

> >

>

> > > > > Thanks,

>

> >

>

> > > > > Greg

>

> >

>

> > > > >

>

> >

>

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>

> >

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