Splits & Periodization of trg : Testosterone and exercises

[Guest guest]

Hi Ron & Phil,

You are right Phil many who train are Under-Recovered & Over trained

resulting in lower T and over time lower Cortisol. Most major muscle

groups need about 4-7 days to recover plus need to have the time " to

grow " .

I personally am surprisingly stronger in " amount = volume " of weight

lifted and one max lift if I have not trained a muscle group for about

7 days.

I think why world class athletes & others love hGH is because it

allows for more rapid recovery & other effects such as those on the

brain.

Kraemer (U Conn ?) the guru of Ex physiology has written a lot about

type and intensity of ex to naturally raise GH and T levels in those

who are not on these agents.

Best,

K. Ullis, MD

On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 7:19 AM, Ron <r.hill@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Thanks for the answer Phil,

> It does appear that you must be in remarkable shape considering your

> exercise regime. Excellent! Your T levels are pretty much at the maximum

> on the T- scale are they not? Wow..that is a bit higher than I am. In

> all of the discussions that I have seen on T Levels in varying men, it

> would appear that each male may function best on it's own level. I was

> initially using injections of 1 cc/ week T- cyp for 100 mg T but noticed

> that I was feeling classic effects of E2. I dropped the dosage to 75mg

> T/ week and got much more favorable results.

> Thanks for the advice on testing T- levels after a period of working

> out. As I am doing injections I will time the blood work after a couple

> of exercise free days.

>

> Regards

> Ron

>

>

> Ron being on TRT your testis are shut down from making Testosterone they

> will not get the message from your pituitary to make T the message being

> LH and FSH most men testing on TRT this is very low this is why we add

> HCG it acts like the LH message and keeps your testis working the best

> they can.

>

> As for eating up your added Testosterone levels exercising hard it can

> happen only way to tell is check your levels but don't workout 48 hrs

> before your labs do you labs the day of your next shot if your doing

> shots if your doing gels or creams do labs before putting them on or do

> your labs 6 hrs later but don't get the gel or cream on the area they

> take the blood from.

>

> As for you levels most men don't do well this low my labs top of range

> is 1100 my levels for Total T are 850 I try to stay between 700 to 900

> to feel better if I go as low as you are the Testosterone dose not

> support my joints and muscles. And I have pain. I work out doing every

> muscle group Mon. Wed and Fri. for about 90 min.'s doing 10 reps 3 sets

> of each. I worm up on the Cross Trainer 20 min's first. I work out on

> Machines that take a card that sets your load, reps and sets for each

> machine.

>

> It's about 12 machines total I keep track on how I am feeling there are

> days I need to back off I also have low cortisol levels and working out

> lowers them.

>

> I have yet to see my labs go up or down working out.

>

> In a study some time ago I read bodybuilders that work out 5 days a week

> end up with lower T levels and them men are not on TRT there avg. was

> about 450 to 550.

>

> A lot of young men come here or to my Thyroid Adrenal Forum very sick

> from over training they end up with low Testosterone, Cortisol and some

> with low Thyroid. So listen to your body give it time to recover and you

> should do well.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

--

Karlis C. Ullis, MD

Medical Director: Sports Medicine, Anti-Aging & Preventive Medical Group

2701 Ocean Park Blvd., Suite 101

Santa , CA 90405

TEL: [310.452.1990]; FAX: [310.452.5134];

EMAIL: kullismd@...

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[Guest guest]

Yes and I found this out when I started on HGH my recovery was much faster. At

my age 66 I work all my muscle groups M,W,and F. I do 3 sets of 10 reps but the

machines I work out on are air and I use at my age a lower load not trying to

build muscle so to say just trying to keep stronger.

But yes I get younger men posted at some of the forums I am a member at where

they over do it and burn them selfs out. And as they are burning out not

making gains they think they are not working hard enough and push them selfs

into becoming very sick.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks for the answer Phil,

> > It does appear that you must be in remarkable shape

> considering your

> > exercise regime. Excellent! Your T levels are pretty

> much at the maximum

> > on the T- scale are they not? Wow..that is a bit

> higher than I am. In

> > all of the discussions that I have seen on T Levels in

> varying men, it

> > would appear that each male may function best on it's

> own level. I was

> > initially using injections of 1 cc/ week T- cyp for

> 100 mg T but noticed

> > that I was feeling classic effects of E2. I dropped

> the dosage to 75mg

> > T/ week and got much more favorable results.

> > Thanks for the advice on testing T- levels after a

> period of working

> > out. As I am doing injections I will time the blood

> work after a couple

> > of exercise free days.

> >

> > Regards

> > Ron

> >

> >

> > Ron being on TRT your testis are shut down from making

> Testosterone they

> > will not get the message from your pituitary to make T

> the message being

> > LH and FSH most men testing on TRT this is very low

> this is why we add

> > HCG it acts like the LH message and keeps your testis

> working the best

> > they can.

> >

> > As for eating up your added Testosterone levels

> exercising hard it can

> > happen only way to tell is check your levels but don't

> workout 48 hrs

> > before your labs do you labs the day of your next shot

> if your doing

> > shots if your doing gels or creams do labs before

> putting them on or do

> > your labs 6 hrs later but don't get the gel or cream

> on the area they

> > take the blood from.

> >

> > As for you levels most men don't do well this low my

> labs top of range

> > is 1100 my levels for Total T are 850 I try to stay

> between 700 to 900

> > to feel better if I go as low as you are the

> Testosterone dose not

> > support my joints and muscles. And I have pain. I work

> out doing every

> > muscle group Mon. Wed and Fri. for about 90 min.'s

> doing 10 reps 3 sets

> > of each. I worm up on the Cross Trainer 20 min's

> first. I work out on

> > Machines that take a card that sets your load, reps

> and sets for each

> > machine.

> >

> > It's about 12 machines total I keep track on how I am

> feeling there are

> > days I need to back off I also have low cortisol

> levels and working out

> > lowers them.

> >

> > I have yet to see my labs go up or down working out.

> >

> > In a study some time ago I read bodybuilders that work

> out 5 days a week

> > end up with lower T levels and them men are not on TRT

> there avg. was

> > about 450 to 550.

> >

> > A lot of young men come here or to my Thyroid Adrenal

> Forum very sick

> > from over training they end up with low Testosterone,

> Cortisol and some

> > with low Thyroid. So listen to your body give it time

> to recover and you

> > should do well.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

> >

> >

>

>

> --

> Karlis C. Ullis, MD

> Medical Director: Sports Medicine, Anti-Aging &

> Preventive Medical Group

> 2701 Ocean Park Blvd., Suite 101

> Santa , CA 90405

> TEL: [310.452.1990]; FAX: [310.452.5134];

> EMAIL: kullismd@...

> WEB: www.drkarlisullis.com

>

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