Re: Re: Testosterone Cypionate Curve of Effectiveness??

April 29, 2010

Randy your doing great after heart by-pass sugary 18 months ago I am still

trying to get back to walking 1 hr. a day but still can't. I am starting to

think it's not going to happen. I was out cold 7 weeks lost a lot of muscle and

when I came to I had to learn how to walk all over again.

I do good on the cross trainer it's good on my knees I go on this to worm up for

the weight room.

I just have to many set backs to keep in shape but I keep at it.

We even tried Growth Hormone but it did not work out for me. So now I am coming

off a set back again. I hope to get back in the gym Monday.

Keep up the good work it keeps you young.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: k0cm <Randy@...>

> Subject: Re: Testosterone Cypionate Curve of Effectiveness??

>

> Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 12:34 AM

> Hi Gus:

>

> Serum T levels peak 72 hours after injection and it has a

> half life of 8 days. So at 16 days you would be down

> to 1/4 level (half of half). Actually that would be 16

> days after the peak or 19 days after injection.

>

> Also consider that a 1 mL dose (200 mg) would give you a

> higher peak,than a 1/2 mL. High peak levels tend to

> cause aromatization to estradiol. It can also lead to

> high RBC and Hematocrit. (Red Blood Cell production

> increases)

>

> It's pretty easy to extrapolate a curve from a starting

> point (end of cycle) to a peak in 3 days, and decreasing to

> half each 8 day period until the next injection.

>

> I suspect a 4 day interval would even things out a bit more

> but then the injections are a bit of a hassle and you don't

> want to " tenderize " your gluets by poking them with that

> needle more often than necessary.

>

> I've been on T 2 1/2 years. Started out with one

> injection montly then every 2 weeks and finally

> weekly. Each step to a more frequent injection was

> better.

>

> After 6 monthly blood tests for RBC, and Hematocrit and

> RDW, I've determined that donating blood two or three times

> a year will keep things in line. My local blood center

> has a form of donation the call " double red cells " where

> they separate the red blood cells and return the rest to

> your body. I think that will work well for me, and I can

> space out the donations a bit more.

>

> I'm 60 years old and doing quite well. I used to have

> an ED problem and still take Cialis occasionally. It

> works much longer than the advertised 36 hours. More

> like 100 hours.

>

> I do water aerobics, and pin-select weight machines and can

> do 1 hour on an elliptical trainer, or walk for 2 hours

> without stopping.

>

> I couldn't do that when I was 30.

>

> Randy Hoops

> Springfield, MO

>

> >

> > Hey all. Up until today I have been an on-looker

> to the posts here. I appreciate the questions and

> responses you all have given.

> >

> > I'm a 50 yr old male. About 10 weeks ago I was

> diagnosed with Low T (236) and have been on injections of

> Testosterone Cypionate, 1 CC every other week since, given

> by myself at home. My T level at the last check two

> weeks ago was 796. I presume the measurement is for

> free T, but I don't have the lab results to verify at the

> moment. The bottom line for me is a drastic

> improvement in my overall well being and libido.

> >

> > Has anyone seen a curve of what Testosterone levels

> would be over time? I imagine 24 to 48 hours after the

> shot my T levels peak, and then wane down after 14

> days. Then the new shot would boost levels again - is

> how it would seem to me.

> >

> > What if I received 1/2 the amount weekly verses the

> full amount every two weeks? Would that be better for

> decreasing highs and lows in my treatment?

> >

> > gus

> >

>

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>

April 30, 2010

I am not sure how it works the half life for Test C is about 8 days doing shots

every 3 days is about least amount of time one can do this and it's not for

everyone. There is a stack up on the half life one doing a shot every week

there levels will peak in 3 days so you can say my levels are at this peak all

the time.

The HGH I was on made my Thyroid go back to work I went hyper and ended up

stopping my meds for it. I was told we need to keep an eye on my Thyroid it

might burn out on HGH. I was having feelings of Panic and some Panic Attacks

this happens when my Estradiol levels go to high. Being on HGH it was making my

body make a lot of Estradio. I take .25 mgs of Arimidex every 2 to 3 days to

keep this down. On HGH I needed to do 1 mgs to 1.75 mgs everyday to keep this

down. Then in the last week my hands were falling to sleep Carpal Tunnel is a

bad side of taking HGH. My Dr. had me come in to see him and he found my BP was

very high and I was holding a ton of water so he took me off the HGH.

I have been off it 4 days now lost about 10lbs of water my BP is back down to

normal and my Estradiol has gone back down to the way it was before the HGH.

I have posted about this at Dr. 's the guys no HGH over there told me when I

first went on it at .3 mgs / day this was to low a dose. Now I am off it they

say maybe I was on to much.

I don't what to mess with it I had heart bypass sugary and the sides I had are

not good for someone that has heart problems.

Now I feel tired and fatigued it might be I need to go back on Thyroid meds but

we will not know until I do labs in a week.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: zashes11 <jharvey@...>

> Subject: Re: Testosterone Cypionate Curve of Effectiveness??

>

> Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 6:45 PM

>

> Phil, two questions

>

> What does the curve look like whey you inject every three

> days?

> and what happened with the growth hormone?

>

> Judy

>

> ------------------------------------

>

April 30, 2010

I just attached curves that I have developed based on various injections and a

paper on Testosterone Enanthate. The half life of Cypionate is slightly

different but I could not find a curve that represented it. These curves were

adjusted based on my actual values over the years. I weigh ~ 160 pounds so it

will not be the same for everyone based on your weight, how you process T and

frequency and amount you inject. But, it will give you an idea of how it

changes. - Hope it helps - you should get an email about it being attached in

the files section - Arkansas

From: zashes11 <jharvey@...>

Subject: Re: Testosterone Cypionate Curve of Effectiveness??

Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 5:45 PM

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Phil, two questions

What does the curve look like whey you inject every three days?

and what happened with the growth hormone?

Judy

April 30, 2010