Re: New Lab Results after starting TRT injections 4 weeks ago

[Guest guest]

Your E2 seems low for the amout of Total T you have - are you also taking

arimidex? Might want to consider dropping your T shot to 80 mg per week with the

HCG and possibly dropping the HCG to 250 iu per shot. Which day of your cycle

did you get tested?

 

How do you feel on this? Are you satisfied with the results?

 

Arkansas

From: Dave <david.w.smith-1@...>

Subject: New Lab Results after starting TRT injections 4 weeks

ago

Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 12:21 PM

 

Here are my recent lab results.

TSH:1.060 (Range-0.450- 4.5)

Free Test:23.3 (Range-8.7-25. 1)

Total Test:1009 High (Range 280-800)

PSA:0.7

IGF-BP3:3.2 LOW (Range 3.5-7.0)

IGF-1:97 LOW (Range 115-307)

FSH: 0.3 LOW (Range 1.5-12.4)

LH: 0.3 Low

Estradoil (male):14.6 (Range 7.6-42.6)

Please comment to above lab results. I would like to know how I am doing. I am

taking 100mg IM injections of Test and 500IU of HCG 2 days prior to TRT

injection.

Thanks~!

Dave

[Guest guest]

Dan,

I am not taking Arimidex. The labs were done 2 days prior to my T injection.

Even though my Estradoil is low, I still continue to have good erections.

>

>

> From: Dave <david.w.smith-1@...>

> Subject: New Lab Results after starting TRT injections 4 weeks

ago

>

> Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 12:21 PM

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> Here are my recent lab results.

>

> TSH:1.060 (Range-0.450- 4.5)

> Free Test:23.3 (Range-8.7-25. 1)

> Total Test:1009 High (Range 280-800)

> PSA:0.7

> IGF-BP3:3.2 LOW (Range 3.5-7.0)

> IGF-1:97 LOW (Range 115-307)

> FSH: 0.3 LOW (Range 1.5-12.4)

> LH: 0.3 Low

> Estradoil (male):14.6 (Range 7.6-42.6)

>

> Please comment to above lab results. I would like to know how I am doing. I am

taking 100mg IM injections of Test and 500IU of HCG 2 days prior to TRT

injection.

>

> Thanks~!

> Dave

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[Guest guest]

Hey Dave,

 

If your Total T on day 5 of 7 is 1000 then your peak has to be around 1600-1800

which seem really high to me. I would be worried over time that your E2

conversion would increase and defeat the benefits of your TRT. If you look at

what healthy men's " normal " levels are it usually is around 600 ng/dl. However,

if you feel good and your body is responding then maybe this is the right mix

for you. I would really keep an eye on the E2 though.

 

Arkansas

From: Dave <david.w.smith-1@...>

Subject: Re: New Lab Results after starting TRT injections 4

weeks ago

Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 1:43 PM

 

Dan,

I am not taking Arimidex. The labs were done 2 days prior to my T injection.

Even though my Estradoil is low, I still continue to have good erections.

>

>

> From: Dave <david.w.smith- 1@...>

> Subject: New Lab Results after starting TRT injections 4 weeks

ago

>

> Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 12:21 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Here are my recent lab results.

>

> TSH:1.060 (Range-0.450- 4.5)

> Free Test:23.3 (Range-8.7-25. 1)

> Total Test:1009 High (Range 280-800)

> PSA:0.7

> IGF-BP3:3.2 LOW (Range 3.5-7.0)

> IGF-1:97 LOW (Range 115-307)

> FSH: 0.3 LOW (Range 1.5-12.4)

> LH: 0.3 Low

> Estradoil (male):14.6 (Range 7.6-42.6)

>

> Please comment to above lab results. I would like to know how I am doing. I am

taking 100mg IM injections of Test and 500IU of HCG 2 days prior to TRT

injection.

>

> Thanks~!

> Dave

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

I figure my doctor will decrease my TRT dosage once I have my appointment with

him. I actually feel great...better than I have before. I was on Clomid 50mg

daily and HCG 1000UI MWF which kept my T up around 900. I am sure I am way to

high but I am suprised my E2 is so low. I will have to just wait and see.

> >

> >

> > From: Dave <david.w.smith- 1@...>

> > Subject: New Lab Results after starting TRT injections 4

weeks ago

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 12:21 PM

> >

> >

> >  

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> > Here are my recent lab results.

> >

> > TSH:1.060 (Range-0.450- 4.5)

> > Free Test:23.3 (Range-8.7-25. 1)

> > Total Test:1009 High (Range 280-800)

> > PSA:0.7

> > IGF-BP3:3.2 LOW (Range 3.5-7.0)

> > IGF-1:97 LOW (Range 115-307)

> > FSH: 0.3 LOW (Range 1.5-12.4)

> > LH: 0.3 Low

> > Estradoil (male):14.6 (Range 7.6-42.6)

> >

> > Please comment to above lab results. I would like to know how I am doing. I

am taking 100mg IM injections of Test and 500IU of HCG 2 days prior to TRT

injection.

> >

> > Thanks~!

> > Dave

> >

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[Guest guest]

If the E2 continued to be in an optimum range, could sustained T levels in the

1600-1800 range cause other problems down the road? I ask this because my E2

will not move at 4.

I hope to be switched to injectable T from compounded garbage this week. If I

jacked my T to these levels, the E2 would have to go up, wouldn't it?

> >

> >

> > From: Dave <david.w.smith- 1@...>

> > Subject: New Lab Results after starting TRT injections 4

weeks ago

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 12:21 PM

> >

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> > Here are my recent lab results.

> >

> > TSH:1.060 (Range-0.450- 4.5)

> > Free Test:23.3 (Range-8.7-25. 1)

> > Total Test:1009 High (Range 280-800)

> > PSA:0.7

> > IGF-BP3:3.2 LOW (Range 3.5-7.0)

> > IGF-1:97 LOW (Range 115-307)

> > FSH: 0.3 LOW (Range 1.5-12.4)

> > LH: 0.3 Low

> > Estradoil (male):14.6 (Range 7.6-42.6)

> >

> > Please comment to above lab results. I would like to know how I am doing. I

am taking 100mg IM injections of Test and 500IU of HCG 2 days prior to TRT

injection.

> >

> > Thanks~!

> > Dave

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[Guest guest]

Dave when after your last shot did you do them labs I tell men to do the labs

the morning of your next shot and don't do the HCG the 2 days before your shot

when doing labs.

Your IFG's are way to low you need HGH and with labs like this your drug care

plain will pay for it.

Testing LH and FSH is a waste of time on TRT it will all ways be low.

Estradiol looks low do you have night time and morning wood is so it's good.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Dave <david.w.smith-1@...>

> Subject: New Lab Results after starting TRT injections 4 weeks

ago

>

> Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 1:21 PM

> Here are my recent lab results.

>

> TSH:1.060  (Range-0.450-4.5)

> Free Test:23.3   (Range-8.7-25.1)

> Total Test:1009 High  (Range 280-800)

> PSA:0.7

> IGF-BP3:3.2 LOW   (Range 3.5-7.0)

> IGF-1:97 LOW    (Range 115-307)

> FSH: 0.3 LOW (Range 1.5-12.4)

> LH: 0.3 Low

> Estradoil (male):14.6 (Range 7.6-42.6)

>

>

> Please comment to above lab results. I would like to know

> how I am doing. I am taking 100mg IM injections of Test and

> 500IU of HCG 2 days prior to TRT injection.

>

> Thanks~!

> Dave

>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Also your labs on your dose are not to high if you did your labs in the morning

of your next shot but before them and not doing HCG your test would be down 200

more points.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Dave <david.w.smith-1@...>

> Subject: Re: New Lab Results after starting TRT injections 4

weeks ago

>

> Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 2:43 PM

>

> Dan,

>

> I am not taking Arimidex. The labs were done 2 days prior

> to my T injection.  Even though my Estradoil is low, I

> still continue to have good erections.

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > From: Dave <david.w.smith-1@...>

> > Subject: New Lab Results after starting

> TRT injections 4 weeks ago

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 12:21 PM

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > Here are my recent lab results.

> >

> > TSH:1.060 (Range-0.450- 4.5)

> > Free Test:23.3 (Range-8.7-25. 1)

> > Total Test:1009 High (Range 280-800)

> > PSA:0.7

> > IGF-BP3:3.2 LOW (Range 3.5-7.0)

> > IGF-1:97 LOW (Range 115-307)

> > FSH: 0.3 LOW (Range 1.5-12.4)

> > LH: 0.3 Low

> > Estradoil (male):14.6 (Range 7.6-42.6)

> >

> > Please comment to above lab results. I would like to

> know how I am doing. I am taking 100mg IM injections of Test

> and 500IU of HCG 2 days prior to TRT injection.

> >

> > Thanks~!

> > Dave

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >       

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[Guest guest]

If Clomid worked this good for you then your Secondary did they check your

Pituitary with an MRI to rule out a tumor. This might be why your Growth

Hormones are so low. They look worse them mine were my Heart Dr. told my I

needed heart bypass sugary because my GH levels were so low for so long this

added to the problem.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Dave <david.w.smith-1@...>

> Subject: Re: New Lab Results after starting TRT injections 4

weeks ago

>

> Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 3:08 PM

>

> I figure my doctor will decrease my TRT dosage once I have

> my appointment with him.  I actually feel

> great...better than I have before. I was on Clomid 50mg

> daily and HCG 1000UI MWF which kept my T up around

> 900.  I am sure I am way to high but I am suprised my

> E2 is so low. I will have to just wait and see.

>

>

>

> > >

> > >

> > > From: Dave <david.w.smith- 1@...>

> > > Subject: New Lab Results after

> starting TRT injections 4 weeks ago

> > >

> > > Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 12:21 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >  

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> > >

> > >

> > > Here are my recent lab results.

> > >

> > > TSH:1.060 (Range-0.450- 4.5)

> > > Free Test:23.3 (Range-8.7-25. 1)

> > > Total Test:1009 High (Range 280-800)

> > > PSA:0.7

> > > IGF-BP3:3.2 LOW (Range 3.5-7.0)

> > > IGF-1:97 LOW (Range 115-307)

> > > FSH: 0.3 LOW (Range 1.5-12.4)

> > > LH: 0.3 Low

> > > Estradoil (male):14.6 (Range 7.6-42.6)

> > >

> > > Please comment to above lab results. I would like

> to know how I am doing. I am taking 100mg IM injections of

> Test and 500IU of HCG 2 days prior to TRT injection.

> > >

> > > Thanks~!

> > > Dave

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[Guest guest]

What he is talking about is his Peak levels after the shot he could go up this

high. It happens about 3 to 4 days after a shot then fall fast. Yes in time if

he is older and out of shape and over weight his Estradiol levels will go up.

I think your going to end up on shots with HCG just like Dave is doing. And in

time your E2 levels will come up.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: New Lab Results after starting TRT injections 4

weeks ago

>

> Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 3:47 PM

> If the E2 continued to be in an

> optimum range, could sustained T levels in the 1600-1800

> range cause other problems down the road? I ask this because

> my E2 will not move at 4.

> I hope to be switched to injectable T from compounded

> garbage this week. If I jacked my T to these levels, the E2

> would have to go up, wouldn't it?

>

>

> > >

> > >

> > > From: Dave <david.w.smith- 1@...>

> > > Subject: New Lab Results after

> starting TRT injections 4 weeks ago

> > >

> > > Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 12:21 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Here are my recent lab results.

> > >

> > > TSH:1.060 (Range-0.450- 4.5)

> > > Free Test:23.3 (Range-8.7-25. 1)

> > > Total Test:1009 High (Range 280-800)

> > > PSA:0.7

> > > IGF-BP3:3.2 LOW (Range 3.5-7.0)

> > > IGF-1:97 LOW (Range 115-307)

> > > FSH: 0.3 LOW (Range 1.5-12.4)

> > > LH: 0.3 Low

> > > Estradoil (male):14.6 (Range 7.6-42.6)

> > >

> > > Please comment to above lab results. I would like

> to know how I am doing. I am taking 100mg IM injections of

> Test and 500IU of HCG 2 days prior to TRT injection.

> > >

> > > Thanks~!

> > > Dave

> > >

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[Guest guest]

We all have a natural balance for E2 and T. Some of it may be driven by how much

aromatase we have which can be influenced by how much fat we have. As we age,

generally speaking, we tend to convert more T to E2 which is what ages us also.

That is why most 80 year old men and women have the same body. Normally if you

elevate your T, your E2 should come up also but we are all different and you

might just have to try different combinations to find what works for you. I

could not absorb well through the skin so shots was a God send for me. Excessive

T does have its draw backs too however so its a balance act. Normally you will

develop acne like you did when you were going through puberty but it seems to be

more on the shoulders and back instead of the face. If you get really high you

can get aggressive and actually see personality changes. It can also make you

nervous and trouble sleeping. You can do a search on elevated T symptoms and get

all of this and

more. Arkansas

From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

Subject: Re: New Lab Results after starting TRT injections 4

weeks ago

Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 2:47 PM

 

If the E2 continued to be in an optimum range, could sustained T levels in the

1600-1800 range cause other problems down the road? I ask this because my E2

will not move at 4.

I hope to be switched to injectable T from compounded garbage this week. If I

jacked my T to these levels, the E2 would have to go up, wouldn't it?

> >

> >

> > From: Dave <david.w.smith- 1@...>

> > Subject: New Lab Results after starting TRT injections 4

weeks ago

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 12:21 PM

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > Here are my recent lab results.

> >

> > TSH:1.060 (Range-0.450- 4.5)

> > Free Test:23.3 (Range-8.7-25. 1)

> > Total Test:1009 High (Range 280-800)

> > PSA:0.7

> > IGF-BP3:3.2 LOW (Range 3.5-7.0)

> > IGF-1:97 LOW (Range 115-307)

> > FSH: 0.3 LOW (Range 1.5-12.4)

> > LH: 0.3 Low

> > Estradoil (male):14.6 (Range 7.6-42.6)

> >

> > Please comment to above lab results. I would like to know how I am doing. I

am taking 100mg IM injections of Test and 500IU of HCG 2 days prior to TRT

injection.

> >

> > Thanks~!

> > Dave

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Phil,

So the next time I get my labs drawn, I do not need to do HCG on day of shot? I

also did my labs mid morning.

-Dave

> > >

> > >

> > > From: Dave <david.w.smith-1@>

> > > Subject: New Lab Results after starting

> > TRT injections 4 weeks ago

> > >

> > > Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 12:21 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Here are my recent lab results.

> > >

> > > TSH:1.060 (Range-0.450- 4.5)

> > > Free Test:23.3 (Range-8.7-25. 1)

> > > Total Test:1009 High (Range 280-800)

> > > PSA:0.7

> > > IGF-BP3:3.2 LOW (Range 3.5-7.0)

> > > IGF-1:97 LOW (Range 115-307)

> > > FSH: 0.3 LOW (Range 1.5-12.4)

> > > LH: 0.3 Low

> > > Estradoil (male):14.6 (Range 7.6-42.6)

> > >

> > > Please comment to above lab results. I would like to

> > know how I am doing. I am taking 100mg IM injections of Test

> > and 500IU of HCG 2 days prior to TRT injection.

> > >

> > > Thanks~!

> > > Dave

> > >

> > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

Hi Dave I posted back to you yesterday and it did not get through.

Your Testosterone levels are not to high taking your labs 2 days before your

next shot or on the 5th day after your shot your going to get part of your peak

level. And if you did or do HCG the 2 days before your next shot and so labs

they are not going to be acurite.

Here is how you do your labs do them the morning of your next shot but before

them I am betting your labs are in the low 700's and don't do HCG the 2 days

before your labs.

Now for your Growth Hormones your very low on your IGF-1 and your IGFBP-3 your

lower then I have ever been my Heart Dr. after having Heart bypass sugary put me

on Growth Hormones he told me having levels this low could have added to my

heart problems.

It's a waste of time checking your LH and FSH on TRT it will be low all the time

you brain sees the testosterone in your blood and stops sending the LH and FSH

to your testis to make it's own T.

Your Estradiol is on the low side but if you get night time and morning wood

your ok.

If I were you would not change anything if your feeling good if you lower your T

shot with good labs like this you can back slaide.

Have you had your Pituitary tested with your low GH levels might be your

Secondary.

>

> Here are my recent lab results.

>

> TSH:1.060 (Range-0.450-4.5)

> Free Test:23.3 (Range-8.7-25.1)

> Total Test:1009 High (Range 280-800)

> PSA:0.7

> IGF-BP3:3.2 LOW (Range 3.5-7.0)

> IGF-1:97 LOW (Range 115-307)

> FSH: 0.3 LOW (Range 1.5-12.4)

> LH: 0.3 Low

> Estradoil (male):14.6 (Range 7.6-42.6)

>

>

> Please comment to above lab results. I would like to know how I am doing. I am

taking 100mg IM injections of Test and 500IU of HCG 2 days prior to TRT

injection.

>

> Thanks~!

> Dave

>

[Guest guest]

When doing shots every week and HCG the 2 days each in between your T shot don't

do any HCG that week and try to do your shot on the 6th. day if you can't go

them in the morning of the 7 days before doing your next shot. I you do them

sooner the labs look high and your Dr. will want to lower your dose. If you

feel good on this keep doing it.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Dave <david.w.smith-1@...>

> Subject: Re: New Lab Results after starting TRT injections 4

weeks ago

>

> Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 8:41 AM

>

> Phil,

>

> So the next time I get my labs drawn, I do not need to do

> HCG on day of shot?  I also did my labs mid morning.

>

> -Dave

>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > From: Dave <david.w.smith-1@>

> > > > Subject: New Lab Results

> after starting

> > > TRT injections 4 weeks ago

> > > >

> > > > Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 12:21 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Here are my recent lab results.

> > > >

> > > > TSH:1.060 (Range-0.450- 4.5)

> > > > Free Test:23.3 (Range-8.7-25. 1)

> > > > Total Test:1009 High (Range 280-800)

> > > > PSA:0.7

> > > > IGF-BP3:3.2 LOW (Range 3.5-7.0)

> > > > IGF-1:97 LOW (Range 115-307)

> > > > FSH: 0.3 LOW (Range 1.5-12.4)

> > > > LH: 0.3 Low

> > > > Estradoil (male):14.6 (Range 7.6-42.6)

> > > >

> > > > Please comment to above lab results. I would

> like to

> > > know how I am doing. I am taking 100mg IM

> injections of Test

> > > and 500IU of HCG 2 days prior to TRT injection.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks~!

> > > > Dave

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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[Guest guest]

Phil,

Thanks for responding. I will have my labs checked again with your

recommendations when I see my physican in 2 months. I actually work as a nurse

and had my PCP draw these labs because my Urologist lost them. I am going to

send them to him prior to my next visit. My moring wood is good..not great but

good. I have never really thought about growth hormone. What is it suppose to

do? I know my levels are low...just curious. I do feel much better than I did on

Clomid and HCG alone.

-Dave

> >

> > Here are my recent lab results.

> >

> > TSH:1.060 (Range-0.450-4.5)

> > Free Test:23.3 (Range-8.7-25.1)

> > Total Test:1009 High (Range 280-800)

> > PSA:0.7

> > IGF-BP3:3.2 LOW (Range 3.5-7.0)

> > IGF-1:97 LOW (Range 115-307)

> > FSH: 0.3 LOW (Range 1.5-12.4)

> > LH: 0.3 Low

> > Estradoil (male):14.6 (Range 7.6-42.6)

> >

> >

> > Please comment to above lab results. I would like to know how I am doing. I

am taking 100mg IM injections of Test and 500IU of HCG 2 days prior to TRT

injection.

> >

> > Thanks~!

> > Dave

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Here is a youtube about it I am not on this kind.

http://pituitary.mgh.harvard.edu/e-f-944.htm

You can do a search about this and find tons of info like I said my levels have

been low for yrs and my Heart Dr. feels it being low could have added to my

heart problem.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Dave <david.w.smith-1@...>

> Subject: Re: New Lab Results after starting TRT injections 4

weeks ago

>

> Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 10:27 AM

>

> Phil,

>

> Thanks for responding.  I will have my labs checked

> again with your recommendations when I see my physican in 2

> months.  I actually work as a nurse and had my PCP draw

> these labs because my Urologist lost them.  I am going

> to send them to him prior to my next visit.  My moring

> wood is good..not great but good. I have never really

> thought about growth hormone. What is it suppose to do? I

> know my levels are low...just curious. I do feel much better

> than I did on Clomid and HCG alone.

>

> -Dave

>

>

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> > >

> > > Here are my recent lab results.

> > >

> > > TSH:1.060  (Range-0.450-4.5)

> > > Free Test:23.3   (Range-8.7-25.1)

> > > Total Test:1009 High  (Range 280-800)

> > > PSA:0.7

> > > IGF-BP3:3.2 LOW   (Range 3.5-7.0)

> > > IGF-1:97 LOW    (Range 115-307)

> > > FSH: 0.3 LOW (Range 1.5-12.4)

> > > LH: 0.3 Low

> > > Estradoil (male):14.6 (Range 7.6-42.6)

> > >

> > >

> > > Please comment to above lab results. I would like

> to know how I am doing. I am taking 100mg IM injections of

> Test and 500IU of HCG 2 days prior to TRT injection.

> > >

> > > Thanks~!

> > > Dave

> > >

> >

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