Guest guest Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 For every 3 days your dose is way to low it ='s only 65 mgs per week. Try 50 mgs every 3 days this would be like doing 125 mgs/ week. Your Estradiol was up some also. That can keep you up at night. Co-Moderator Phil > From: dcl6423 <no_reply > > Subject: Back to shots > > Date: Friday, April 30, 2010, 11:40 AM > I posted a few months ago, but a > summary of my situation is as follow: > > After getting lab results my Dr. recommended Androgel. I > tried it up to maximum dosage but skin did not absorb it. > Then Dr. recommended 200mg every two weeks and Testopel > pellets, I did 2 shots of 200 mg within 4 weeks and then got > the Testopel pellets (10 pellets) since my insurance paid > for everything. As Phil mentioned in my previous post if you > do not get enough pellets is not worth it, that is what > happened to me. Since my doctor would not go more than 10 > pellets I started last Monday to do my own shots (25mg every > 3 days using a 25g 1/2 " syringe on Thigh), I am also taking > DIM every afternoon. > > I would like to get some feedback. The history of labs are > below, also it is worth to mention that the pellets are > still dissolving but as you could see in the lab results > below it is not enough (no major difference from baseline). > This is how i feel right now after doing my own shots: > - I am taking a long time to fall asleep, it feels like > when you take sinus medication. I am trying to figure out if > is due to too having the pellets and taking shots or because > I was in Singapore two weeks ago and I am still adjusting to > jetlag (Any comments?) > - My libido has not improve yet maybe because I have not > achieved good levels yet. > - Morning wood is infrequent and not as strong > > I would appreciate your feedback > > > Testosterone results > 10/23/09 quest Baseline with family Dr > Total T 157 (241-827) > > 10/31/09 labcorp baseline with Urologist > Total T 419 (241-827) > Free T 9.8 (6.8-21.5) > LH 6 (1.5-9.3) > Prolactin 3.6 (2.1-17.7) > > 11/19/09 labcorp (After starting Androgel) > Total T 350 (280-800) > Free T 6 (6.8-21.5) > > 12/15/09 quest (Highest dose Androgel) > Total T 359 (250-1100) > Test free % 2.39 (1.5-2.2) > Free T 85.8 (35-155) > Estradiol 15 (13-54) > > 1/11/10 labcorp (Androgel) > Total T 243 (280-800) > Free T 7.3 (6.8-21.5) > Estradiol 6.3 (7.6-42.6) > > 1/25/10 labcorp (After 10 days 200mg enanthate) > Total T 193 (280-800) > Free T 4.3 (6.8-21.5) > > Pellets in 2/12/10 > 3/23/10 labcorp 1 month after Testopel pellets > Total T 496 (280-800) > > 4/15/10 quest 2 months after Testopel pellets > Total T 329 (250-1100) > Free T 91.1 (35-155) > Test Free % 2.77 (1.5-2.2) > estradiol 38 (13-54) > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 I am using a 1 ml syringe and every shot is .25 ml, therefore I think I am using 50 mg per shot. My previous post was wrong. Do you think DIM would be sufficient to lower Estradiol? > > > From: dcl6423 <no_reply > > > Subject: Back to shots > > > > Date: Friday, April 30, 2010, 11:40 AM > > I posted a few months ago, but a > > summary of my situation is as follow: > > > > After getting lab results my Dr. recommended Androgel. I > > tried it up to maximum dosage but skin did not absorb it. > > Then Dr. recommended 200mg every two weeks and Testopel > > pellets, I did 2 shots of 200 mg within 4 weeks and then got > > the Testopel pellets (10 pellets) since my insurance paid > > for everything. As Phil mentioned in my previous post if you > > do not get enough pellets is not worth it, that is what > > happened to me. Since my doctor would not go more than 10 > > pellets I started last Monday to do my own shots (25mg every > > 3 days using a 25g 1/2 " syringe on Thigh), I am also taking > > DIM every afternoon. > > > > I would like to get some feedback. The history of labs are > > below, also it is worth to mention that the pellets are > > still dissolving but as you could see in the lab results > > below it is not enough (no major difference from baseline). > > This is how i feel right now after doing my own shots: > > - I am taking a long time to fall asleep, it feels like > > when you take sinus medication. I am trying to figure out if > > is due to too having the pellets and taking shots or because > > I was in Singapore two weeks ago and I am still adjusting to > > jetlag (Any comments?) > > - My libido has not improve yet maybe because I have not > > achieved good levels yet. > > - Morning wood is infrequent and not as strong > > > > I would appreciate your feedback > > > > > > Testosterone results > > 10/23/09 quest Baseline with family Dr > > Total T 157 (241-827) > > > > 10/31/09 labcorp baseline with Urologist > > Total T 419 (241-827) > > Free T 9.8 (6.8-21.5) > > LH 6 (1.5-9.3) > > Prolactin 3.6 (2.1-17.7) > > > > 11/19/09 labcorp (After starting Androgel) > > Total T 350 (280-800) > > Free T 6 (6.8-21.5) > > > > 12/15/09 quest (Highest dose Androgel) > > Total T 359 (250-1100) > > Test free % 2.39 (1.5-2.2) > > Free T 85.8 (35-155) > > Estradiol 15 (13-54) > > > > 1/11/10 labcorp (Androgel) > > Total T 243 (280-800) > > Free T 7.3 (6.8-21.5) > > Estradiol 6.3 (7.6-42.6) > > > > 1/25/10 labcorp (After 10 days 200mg enanthate) > > Total T 193 (280-800) > > Free T 4.3 (6.8-21.5) > > > > Pellets in 2/12/10 > > 3/23/10 labcorp 1 month after Testopel pellets > > Total T 496 (280-800) > > > > 4/15/10 quest 2 months after Testopel pellets > > Total T 329 (250-1100) > > Free T 91.1 (35-155) > > Test Free % 2.77 (1.5-2.2) > > estradiol 38 (13-54) > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 Then your using 200mgs / ml T and yes .25 mls not mgs would be 50 mgs. If this is the case you still need to up your dose. I do 80 mgs every 3 days andd my levels are in the 800's but I do a HCG shot the day before each T shot. Co-Moderator Phil > From: dcl6423 <no_reply > > Subject: Re: Back to shots > > Date: Friday, April 30, 2010, 2:32 PM > > I am using a 1 ml syringe and every shot is .25 ml, > therefore I think I am using 50 mg per shot. My previous > post was wrong. Do you think DIM would be sufficient to > lower Estradiol? > > > > > > > > From: dcl6423 <no_reply > > > > Subject: Back to shots > > > > > > Date: Friday, April 30, 2010, 11:40 AM > > > I posted a few months ago, but a > > > summary of my situation is as follow: > > > > > > After getting lab results my Dr. recommended > Androgel. I > > > tried it up to maximum dosage but skin did not > absorb it. > > > Then Dr. recommended 200mg every two weeks and > Testopel > > > pellets, I did 2 shots of 200 mg within 4 weeks > and then got > > > the Testopel pellets (10 pellets) since my > insurance paid > > > for everything. As Phil mentioned in my previous > post if you > > > do not get enough pellets is not worth it, that > is what > > > happened to me. Since my doctor would not go more > than 10 > > > pellets I started last Monday to do my own shots > (25mg every > > > 3 days using a 25g 1/2 " syringe on Thigh), I am > also taking > > > DIM every afternoon. > > > > > > I would like to get some feedback. The history of > labs are > > > below, also it is worth to mention that the > pellets are > > > still dissolving but as you could see in the lab > results > > > below it is not enough (no major difference from > baseline). > > > This is how i feel right now after doing my own > shots: > > > - I am taking a long time to fall asleep, it > feels like > > > when you take sinus medication. I am trying to > figure out if > > > is due to too having the pellets and taking shots > or because > > > I was in Singapore two weeks ago and I am still > adjusting to > > > jetlag (Any comments?) > > > - My libido has not improve yet maybe because I > have not > > > achieved good levels yet. > > > - Morning wood is infrequent and not as strong > > > > > > I would appreciate your feedback > > > > > > > > > Testosterone results > > > 10/23/09 quest Baseline with family Dr > > > Total T 157 (241-827) > > > > > > 10/31/09 labcorp baseline with Urologist > > > Total T 419 (241-827) > > > Free T 9.8 (6.8-21.5) > > > LH 6 (1.5-9.3) > > > Prolactin 3.6 (2.1-17.7) > > > > > > 11/19/09 labcorp (After starting Androgel) > > > Total T 350 (280-800) > > > Free T 6 (6.8-21.5) > > > > > > 12/15/09 quest (Highest dose Androgel) > > > Total T 359 (250-1100) > > > Test free % 2.39 (1.5-2.2) > > > Free T 85.8 (35-155) > > > Estradiol 15 (13-54) > > > > > > 1/11/10 labcorp (Androgel) > > > Total T 243 (280-800) > > > Free T 7.3 (6.8-21.5) > > > Estradiol 6.3 (7.6-42.6) > > > > > > 1/25/10 labcorp (After 10 days 200mg enanthate) > > > Total T 193 (280-800) > > > Free T 4.3 (6.8-21.5) > > > > > > Pellets in 2/12/10 > > > 3/23/10 labcorp 1 month after Testopel pellets > > > Total T 496 (280-800) > > > > > > 4/15/10 quest 2 months after Testopel pellets > > > Total T 329 (250-1100) > > > Free T 91.1 (35-155) > > > Test Free % 2.77 (1.5-2.2) > > > estradiol 38 (13-54) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 I have not done any labs after starting shots every 3 days, should I move to 80 mg before the labs? > > > > > > > From: dcl6423 <no_reply > > > > > Subject: Back to shots > > > > > > > > Date: Friday, April 30, 2010, 11:40 AM > > > > I posted a few months ago, but a > > > > summary of my situation is as follow: > > > > > > > > After getting lab results my Dr. recommended > > Androgel. I > > > > tried it up to maximum dosage but skin did not > > absorb it. > > > > Then Dr. recommended 200mg every two weeks and > > Testopel > > > > pellets, I did 2 shots of 200 mg within 4 weeks > > and then got > > > > the Testopel pellets (10 pellets) since my > > insurance paid > > > > for everything. As Phil mentioned in my previous > > post if you > > > > do not get enough pellets is not worth it, that > > is what > > > > happened to me. Since my doctor would not go more > > than 10 > > > > pellets I started last Monday to do my own shots > > (25mg every > > > > 3 days using a 25g 1/2 " syringe on Thigh), I am > > also taking > > > > DIM every afternoon. > > > > > > > > I would like to get some feedback. The history of > > labs are > > > > below, also it is worth to mention that the > > pellets are > > > > still dissolving but as you could see in the lab > > results > > > > below it is not enough (no major difference from > > baseline). > > > > This is how i feel right now after doing my own > > shots: > > > > - I am taking a long time to fall asleep, it > > feels like > > > > when you take sinus medication. I am trying to > > figure out if > > > > is due to too having the pellets and taking shots > > or because > > > > I was in Singapore two weeks ago and I am still > > adjusting to > > > > jetlag (Any comments?) > > > > - My libido has not improve yet maybe because I > > have not > > > > achieved good levels yet. > > > > - Morning wood is infrequent and not as strong > > > > > > > > I would appreciate your feedback > > > > > > > > > > > > Testosterone results > > > > 10/23/09 quest Baseline with family Dr > > > > Total T 157 (241-827) > > > > > > > > 10/31/09 labcorp baseline with Urologist > > > > Total T 419 (241-827) > > > > Free T 9.8 (6.8-21.5) > > > > LH 6 (1.5-9.3) > > > > Prolactin 3.6 (2.1-17.7) > > > > > > > > 11/19/09 labcorp (After starting Androgel) > > > > Total T 350 (280-800) > > > > Free T 6 (6.8-21.5) > > > > > > > > 12/15/09 quest (Highest dose Androgel) > > > > Total T 359 (250-1100) > > > > Test free % 2.39 (1.5-2.2) > > > > Free T 85.8 (35-155) > > > > Estradiol 15 (13-54) > > > > > > > > 1/11/10 labcorp (Androgel) > > > > Total T 243 (280-800) > > > > Free T 7.3 (6.8-21.5) > > > > Estradiol 6.3 (7.6-42.6) > > > > > > > > 1/25/10 labcorp (After 10 days 200mg enanthate) > > > > Total T 193 (280-800) > > > > Free T 4.3 (6.8-21.5) > > > > > > > > Pellets in 2/12/10 > > > > 3/23/10 labcorp 1 month after Testopel pellets > > > > Total T 496 (280-800) > > > > > > > > 4/15/10 quest 2 months after Testopel pellets > > > > Total T 329 (250-1100) > > > > Free T 91.1 (35-155) > > > > Test Free % 2.77 (1.5-2.2) > > > > estradiol 38 (13-54) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2010 Report Share Posted May 1, 2010 No I was going by how low your last labs were if your feeling OK wait to see your next set of labs. Co-Moderator Phil > From: dcl6423 <no_reply > > Subject: Re: Back to shots > > Date: Friday, April 30, 2010, 3:15 PM > I have not done any labs after > starting shots every 3 days, should I move to 80 mg before > the labs? > > > > > > > > > > > From: dcl6423 <no_reply > > > > > > Subject: Back to shots > > > > > > > > > > Date: Friday, April 30, 2010, 11:40 AM > > > > > I posted a few months ago, but a > > > > > summary of my situation is as follow: > > > > > > > > > > After getting lab results my Dr. > recommended > > > Androgel. I > > > > > tried it up to maximum dosage but skin > did not > > > absorb it. > > > > > Then Dr. recommended 200mg every two > weeks and > > > Testopel > > > > > pellets, I did 2 shots of 200 mg within > 4 weeks > > > and then got > > > > > the Testopel pellets (10 pellets) since > my > > > insurance paid > > > > > for everything. As Phil mentioned in my > previous > > > post if you > > > > > do not get enough pellets is not worth > it, that > > > is what > > > > > happened to me. Since my doctor would > not go more > > > than 10 > > > > > pellets I started last Monday to do my > own shots > > > (25mg every > > > > > 3 days using a 25g 1/2 " syringe on > Thigh), I am > > > also taking > > > > > DIM every afternoon. > > > > > > > > > > I would like to get some feedback. The > history of > > > labs are > > > > > below, also it is worth to mention that > the > > > pellets are > > > > > still dissolving but as you could see > in the lab > > > results > > > > > below it is not enough (no major > difference from > > > baseline). > > > > > This is how i feel right now after > doing my own > > > shots: > > > > > - I am taking a long time to fall > asleep, it > > > feels like > > > > > when you take sinus medication. I am > trying to > > > figure out if > > > > > is due to too having the pellets and > taking shots > > > or because > > > > > I was in Singapore two weeks ago and I > am still > > > adjusting to > > > > > jetlag (Any comments?) > > > > > - My libido has not improve yet maybe > because I > > > have not > > > > > achieved good levels yet. > > > > > - Morning wood is infrequent and not as > strong > > > > > > > > > > I would appreciate your feedback > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Testosterone results > > > > > 10/23/09 quest Baseline with family Dr > > > > > Total T 157 (241-827) > > > > > > > > > > 10/31/09 labcorp baseline with > Urologist > > > > > Total T 419 (241-827) > > > > > Free T 9.8 (6.8-21.5) > > > > > LH 6 (1.5-9.3) > > > > > Prolactin 3.6 (2.1-17.7) > > > > > > > > > > 11/19/09 labcorp (After starting > Androgel) > > > > > Total T 350 (280-800) > > > > > Free T 6 (6.8-21.5) > > > > > > > > > > 12/15/09 quest (Highest dose Androgel) > > > > > Total T 359 (250-1100) > > > > > Test free % 2.39 (1.5-2.2) > > > > > Free T 85.8 (35-155) > > > > > Estradiol 15 (13-54) > > > > > > > > > > 1/11/10 labcorp (Androgel) > > > > > Total T 243 (280-800) > > > > > Free T 7.3 (6.8-21.5) > > > > > Estradiol 6.3 (7.6-42.6) > > > > > > > > > > 1/25/10 labcorp (After 10 days 200mg > enanthate) > > > > > Total T 193 (280-800) > > > > > Free T 4.3 (6.8-21.5) > > > > > > > > > > Pellets in 2/12/10 > > > > > 3/23/10 labcorp 1 month after Testopel > pellets > > > > > Total T 496 (280-800) > > > > > > > > > > 4/15/10 quest 2 months after Testopel > pellets > > > > > Total T 329 (250-1100) > > > > > Free T 91.1 (35-155) > > > > > Test Free % 2.77 (1.5-2.2) > > > > > estradiol 38 (13-54) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2010 Report Share Posted May 1, 2010 Dear Phil, I have been using Testim 1%, 5g with good success, (levels are a little low), and am thinking of going to shots since my insurance is running out (it will be around $4K per year to continue with Testim!). Do you find the injections painful? I have heard of using a small needle, like 27 or 30 gauge to inject, and a 21 guage to draw the fluid into the syringe. It takes a while to inject, but supposedly it is nearly painless. Have you tried this? Do you know what a corresponding 3 day doseage for me would be? Thanks! Mike > > > > > > > > > > > From: dcl6423 <no_reply > > > > > > > Subject: Back to shots > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Friday, April 30, 2010, 11:40 AM > > > > > > I posted a few months ago, but a > > > > > > summary of my situation is as follow: > > > > > > > > > > > > After getting lab results my Dr. > > recommended > > > > Androgel. I > > > > > > tried it up to maximum dosage but skin > > did not > > > > absorb it. > > > > > > Then Dr. recommended 200mg every two > > weeks and > > > > Testopel > > > > > > pellets, I did 2 shots of 200 mg within > > 4 weeks > > > > and then got > > > > > > the Testopel pellets (10 pellets) since > > my > > > > insurance paid > > > > > > for everything. As Phil mentioned in my > > previous > > > > post if you > > > > > > do not get enough pellets is not worth > > it, that > > > > is what > > > > > > happened to me. Since my doctor would > > not go more > > > > than 10 > > > > > > pellets I started last Monday to do my > > own shots > > > > (25mg every > > > > > > 3 days using a 25g 1/2 " syringe on > > Thigh), I am > > > > also taking > > > > > > DIM every afternoon. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to get some feedback. The > > history of > > > > labs are > > > > > > below, also it is worth to mention that > > the > > > > pellets are > > > > > > still dissolving but as you could see > > in the lab > > > > results > > > > > > below it is not enough (no major > > difference from > > > > baseline). > > > > > > This is how i feel right now after > > doing my own > > > > shots: > > > > > > - I am taking a long time to fall > > asleep, it > > > > feels like > > > > > > when you take sinus medication. I am > > trying to > > > > figure out if > > > > > > is due to too having the pellets and > > taking shots > > > > or because > > > > > > I was in Singapore two weeks ago and I > > am still > > > > adjusting to > > > > > > jetlag (Any comments?) > > > > > > - My libido has not improve yet maybe > > because I > > > > have not > > > > > > achieved good levels yet. > > > > > > - Morning wood is infrequent and not as > > strong > > > > > > > > > > > > I would appreciate your feedback > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Testosterone results > > > > > > 10/23/09 quest Baseline with family Dr > > > > > > Total T 157 (241-827) > > > > > > > > > > > > 10/31/09 labcorp baseline with > > Urologist > > > > > > Total T 419 (241-827) > > > > > > Free T 9.8 (6.8-21.5) > > > > > > LH 6 (1.5-9.3) > > > > > > Prolactin 3.6 (2.1-17.7) > > > > > > > > > > > > 11/19/09 labcorp (After starting > > Androgel) > > > > > > Total T 350 (280-800) > > > > > > Free T 6 (6.8-21.5) > > > > > > > > > > > > 12/15/09 quest (Highest dose Androgel) > > > > > > Total T 359 (250-1100) > > > > > > Test free % 2.39 (1.5-2.2) > > > > > > Free T 85.8 (35-155) > > > > > > Estradiol 15 (13-54) > > > > > > > > > > > > 1/11/10 labcorp (Androgel) > > > > > > Total T 243 (280-800) > > > > > > Free T 7.3 (6.8-21.5) > > > > > > Estradiol 6.3 (7.6-42.6) > > > > > > > > > > > > 1/25/10 labcorp (After 10 days 200mg > > enanthate) > > > > > > Total T 193 (280-800) > > > > > > Free T 4.3 (6.8-21.5) > > > > > > > > > > > > Pellets in 2/12/10 > > > > > > 3/23/10 labcorp 1 month after Testopel > > pellets > > > > > > Total T 496 (280-800) > > > > > > > > > > > > 4/15/10 quest 2 months after Testopel > > pellets > > > > > > Total T 329 (250-1100) > > > > > > Free T 91.1 (35-155) > > > > > > Test Free % 2.77 (1.5-2.2) > > > > > > estradiol 38 (13-54) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2010 Report Share Posted May 2, 2010 Got it Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > From: dcl6423 <no_reply > > > > > > > Subject: Back to shots > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Friday, April 30, 2010, 11:40 AM > > > > > > I posted a few months ago, but a > > > > > > summary of my situation is as follow: > > > > > > > > > > > > After getting lab results my Dr. > > recommended > > > > Androgel. I > > > > > > tried it up to maximum dosage but skin > > did not > > > > absorb it. > > > > > > Then Dr. recommended 200mg every two > > weeks and > > > > Testopel > > > > > > pellets, I did 2 shots of 200 mg within > > 4 weeks > > > > and then got > > > > > > the Testopel pellets (10 pellets) since > > my > > > > insurance paid > > > > > > for everything. As Phil mentioned in my > > previous > > > > post if you > > > > > > do not get enough pellets is not worth > > it, that > > > > is what > > > > > > happened to me. Since my doctor would > > not go more > > > > than 10 > > > > > > pellets I started last Monday to do my > > own shots > > > > (25mg every > > > > > > 3 days using a 25g 1/2 " syringe on > > Thigh), I am > > > > also taking > > > > > > DIM every afternoon. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to get some feedback. The > > history of > > > > labs are > > > > > > below, also it is worth to mention that > > the > > > > pellets are > > > > > > still dissolving but as you could see > > in the lab > > > > results > > > > > > below it is not enough (no major > > difference from > > > > baseline). > > > > > > This is how i feel right now after > > doing my own > > > > shots: > > > > > > - I am taking a long time to fall > > asleep, it > > > > feels like > > > > > > when you take sinus medication. I am > > trying to > > > > figure out if > > > > > > is due to too having the pellets and > > taking shots > > > > or because > > > > > > I was in Singapore two weeks ago and I > > am still > > > > adjusting to > > > > > > jetlag (Any comments?) > > > > > > - My libido has not improve yet maybe > > because I > > > > have not > > > > > > achieved good levels yet. > > > > > > - Morning wood is infrequent and not as > > strong > > > > > > > > > > > > I would appreciate your feedback > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Testosterone results > > > > > > 10/23/09 quest Baseline with family Dr > > > > > > Total T 157 (241-827) > > > > > > > > > > > > 10/31/09 labcorp baseline with > > Urologist > > > > > > Total T 419 (241-827) > > > > > > Free T 9.8 (6.8-21.5) > > > > > > LH 6 (1.5-9.3) > > > > > > Prolactin 3.6 (2.1-17.7) > > > > > > > > > > > > 11/19/09 labcorp (After starting > > Androgel) > > > > > > Total T 350 (280-800) > > > > > > Free T 6 (6.8-21.5) > > > > > > > > > > > > 12/15/09 quest (Highest dose Androgel) > > > > > > Total T 359 (250-1100) > > > > > > Test free % 2.39 (1.5-2.2) > > > > > > Free T 85.8 (35-155) > > > > > > Estradiol 15 (13-54) > > > > > > > > > > > > 1/11/10 labcorp (Androgel) > > > > > > Total T 243 (280-800) > > > > > > Free T 7.3 (6.8-21.5) > > > > > > Estradiol 6.3 (7.6-42.6) > > > > > > > > > > > > 1/25/10 labcorp (After 10 days 200mg > > enanthate) > > > > > > Total T 193 (280-800) > > > > > > Free T 4.3 (6.8-21.5) > > > > > > > > > > > > Pellets in 2/12/10 > > > > > > 3/23/10 labcorp 1 month after Testopel > > pellets > > > > > > Total T 496 (280-800) > > > > > > > > > > > > 4/15/10 quest 2 months after Testopel > > pellets > > > > > > Total T 329 (250-1100) > > > > > > Free T 91.1 (35-155) > > > > > > Test Free % 2.77 (1.5-2.2) > > > > > > estradiol 38 (13-54) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2010 Report Share Posted May 2, 2010 Hi Mike and Welcome, Yes you can do shots with less pain using a 27g 1ml. x 1/2 " lg. needle. And do your shots into your thigh. Have your Dr. show you how to do this and read this link. Make sure you read the Info too. http://spotinjections.com/index3.htm I use Test Cypionate it comes in a 10ml. vial that is 200mgs/ml. so your shot will be lower in size. To do a 100 mgs shot it is .5mls. To get the oil out of the vial it is thick and comes out slow. I just pull the plunger all the way down and hold it until I get a little more then my dose. It takes about a min. or two. I then tap the side to get any air at the top and I push it back into the vial until I have my dose .5mls would be your starting dose or 100 mgs you would do this every week. Or do 50mgs 2x's a week this is even better. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Cburg <mikedmonds@...> > Subject: Re: Back to shots > > Date: Saturday, May 1, 2010, 11:53 PM > Dear Phil, > > I have been using Testim 1%, 5g with good success, (levels > are a little low), and am thinking of going to shots since > my insurance is running out (it will be around $4K per year > to continue with Testim!). Do you find the injections > painful? I have heard of using a small needle, like 27 or 30 > gauge to inject, and a 21 guage to draw the fluid into the > syringe. It takes a while to inject, but supposedly it is > nearly painless. Have you tried this? Do you know what a > corresponding 3 day doseage for me would be? > Thanks! > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: dcl6423 <no_reply > > > > > > > > Subject: Back > to shots > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Friday, April 30, 2010, > 11:40 AM > > > > > > > I posted a few months ago, > but a > > > > > > > summary of my situation is as > follow: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After getting lab results my > Dr. > > > recommended > > > > > Androgel. I > > > > > > > tried it up to maximum dosage > but skin > > > did not > > > > > absorb it. > > > > > > > Then Dr. recommended 200mg > every two > > > weeks and > > > > > Testopel > > > > > > > pellets, I did 2 shots of 200 > mg within > > > 4 weeks > > > > > and then got > > > > > > > the Testopel pellets (10 > pellets) since > > > my > > > > > insurance paid > > > > > > > for everything. As Phil > mentioned in my > > > previous > > > > > post if you > > > > > > > do not get enough pellets is > not worth > > > it, that > > > > > is what > > > > > > > happened to me. Since my > doctor would > > > not go more > > > > > than 10 > > > > > > > pellets I started last Monday > to do my > > > own shots > > > > > (25mg every > > > > > > > 3 days using a 25g 1/2 " > syringe on > > > Thigh), I am > > > > > also taking > > > > > > > DIM every afternoon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to get some > feedback. The > > > history of > > > > > labs are > > > > > > > below, also it is worth to > mention that > > > the > > > > > pellets are > > > > > > > still dissolving but as you > could see > > > in the lab > > > > > results > > > > > > > below it is not enough (no > major > > > difference from > > > > > baseline). > > > > > > > This is how i feel right now > after > > > doing my own > > > > > shots: > > > > > > > - I am taking a long time to > fall > > > asleep, it > > > > > feels like > > > > > > > when you take sinus > medication. I am > > > trying to > > > > > figure out if > > > > > > > is due to too having the > pellets and > > > taking shots > > > > > or because > > > > > > > I was in Singapore two weeks > ago and I > > > am still > > > > > adjusting to > > > > > > > jetlag (Any comments?) > > > > > > > - My libido has not improve > yet maybe > > > because I > > > > > have not > > > > > > > achieved good levels yet. > > > > > > > - Morning wood is infrequent > and not as > > > strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would appreciate your > feedback > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Testosterone results > > > > > > > 10/23/09 quest Baseline with > family Dr > > > > > > > Total T 157 (241-827) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10/31/09 labcorp baseline > with > > > Urologist > > > > > > > Total T 419 (241-827) > > > > > > > Free T 9.8 (6.8-21.5) > > > > > > > LH 6 (1.5-9.3) > > > > > > > Prolactin 3.6 (2.1-17.7) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11/19/09 labcorp (After > starting > > > Androgel) > > > > > > > Total T 350 (280-800) > > > > > > > Free T 6 (6.8-21.5) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12/15/09 quest (Highest dose > Androgel) > > > > > > > Total T 359 (250-1100) > > > > > > > Test free % 2.39 (1.5-2.2) > > > > > > > Free T 85.8 (35-155) > > > > > > > Estradiol 15 (13-54) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1/11/10 labcorp (Androgel) > > > > > > > Total T 243 (280-800) > > > > > > > Free T 7.3 (6.8-21.5) > > > > > > > Estradiol 6.3 (7.6-42.6) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1/25/10 labcorp (After 10 > days 200mg > > > enanthate) > > > > > > > Total T 193 (280-800) > > > > > > > Free T 4.3 (6.8-21.5) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pellets in 2/12/10 > > > > > > > 3/23/10 labcorp 1 month after > Testopel > > > pellets > > > > > > > Total T 496 (280-800) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4/15/10 quest 2 months after > Testopel > > > pellets > > > > > > > Total T 329 (250-1100) > > > > > > > Free T 91.1 (35-155) > > > > > > > Test Free % 2.77 (1.5-2.2) > > > > > > > estradiol 38 (13-54) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2010 Report Share Posted May 2, 2010 Hey Mike, My experience with injections is to use a 25ga 1 " needle. Phil uses 27ga 1/2 " needle. My doctor told me to use a 1 " needle, and I am lean (5'8 " 150). He didn't recommend a 1 " needle because I need to get past a bunch of fat and into the muscle, he said that the T should be injected deep into the muscle. Also, my pharamacist said that a 1/2 " needle is too short. However, like Phil, I have seen many guys post that they use the 27 ga. 1/2 " needle. Therefore, since Phil knows his stuff way more than I do, yet what he does doesn't jive with what my doc and pharmacist recommend, may I suggest that you ask your doctor. Phill takes a different approach than I do to withdraw the T. I use a 22ga. needle to draw it out and then switch to a 25ga. to inject. Most others guys I've seen do the same thing. I tried Phil's suggestion of using a 27ga to withdraw (and inject) and it took a long time to get the T out of the vial. I also got a lot of tiny air bubbles in the syringe. So... I guess it comes down to trying what A) your doctor recommends and what works best for you. As for the pain, I have found that if I insert the needle very slowly it doesn't hurt most of the time. Even when it does hurt, it's minor and only for a second. To make sure it doesn't hurt afterwards, immediately upon removing the needle, press down on the injection spot with an alcohol swab for about two minutes. Also, don't massge the injection site afterwards (some guys do this). The " afterwards " pain is because a small amount of blood gets into the msucle (from where the needle went into the muscle). Therefore, applying pressure for about 2 minutes keeps the blood from going back into the muscle. If you go to YouTube and search for testsoterone injections, you will see how different folks do this. I did this before my first injection and it eased my fears and gave me some practical examples of how to inject. The thigh is the spot, though a few guys shoot in the butt - which I see as difficult to do properly. My 2 cents..... Bill ________________________________ From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> Sent: Sun, May 2, 2010 12:21:03 PM Subject: Re: Back to shots  Hi Mike and Welcome, Yes you can do shots with less pain using a 27g 1ml. x 1/2 " lg. needle. And do your shots into your thigh. Have your Dr. show you how to do this and read this link. Make sure you read the Info too. http://spotinjectio ns.com/index3. htm I use Test Cypionate it comes in a 10ml. vial that is 200mgs/ml. so your shot will be lower in size. To do a 100 mgs shot it is .5mls. To get the oil out of the vial it is thick and comes out slow. I just pull the plunger all the way down and hold it until I get a little more then my dose. It takes about a min. or two. I then tap the side to get any air at the top and I push it back into the vial until I have my dose .5mls would be your starting dose or 100 mgs you would do this every week. Or do 50mgs 2x's a week this is even better. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Cburg <mikedmondsverizon (DOT) net> > Subject: Re: Back to shots > > Date: Saturday, May 1, 2010, 11:53 PM > Dear Phil, > > I have been using Testim 1%, 5g with good success, (levels > are a little low), and am thinking of going to shots since > my insurance is running out (it will be around $4K per year > to continue with Testim!). Do you find the injections > painful? I have heard of using a small needle, like 27 or 30 > gauge to inject, and a 21 guage to draw the fluid into the > syringe. It takes a while to inject, but supposedly it is > nearly painless. Have you tried this? Do you know what a > corresponding 3 day doseage for me would be? > Thanks! > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: dcl6423 <no_reply@group s.com> > > > > > > > Subject: Back > to shots > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Friday, April 30, 2010, > 11:40 AM > > > > > > > I posted a few months ago, > but a > > > > > > > summary of my situation is as > follow: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After getting lab results my > Dr. > > > recommended > > > > > Androgel. I > > > > > > > tried it up to maximum dosage > but skin > > > did not > > > > > absorb it. > > > > > > > Then Dr. recommended 200mg > every two > > > weeks and > > > > > Testopel > > > > > > > pellets, I did 2 shots of 200 > mg within > > > 4 weeks > > > > > and then got > > > > > > > the Testopel pellets (10 > pellets) since > > > my > > > > > insurance paid > > > > > > > for everything. As Phil > mentioned in my > > > previous > > > > > post if you > > > > > > > do not get enough pellets is > not worth > > > it, that > > > > > is what > > > > > > > happened to me. Since my > doctor would > > > not go more > > > > > than 10 > > > > > > > pellets I started last Monday > to do my > > > own shots > > > > > (25mg every > > > > > > > 3 days using a 25g 1/2 " > syringe on > > > Thigh), I am > > > > > also taking > > > > > > > DIM every afternoon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to get some > feedback. The > > > history of > > > > > labs are > > > > > > > below, also it is worth to > mention that > > > the > > > > > pellets are > > > > > > > still dissolving but as you > could see > > > in the lab > > > > > results > > > > > > > below it is not enough (no > major > > > difference from > > > > > baseline). > > > > > > > This is how i feel right now > after > > > doing my own > > > > > shots: > > > > > > > - I am taking a long time to > fall > > > asleep, it > > > > > feels like > > > > > > > when you take sinus > medication. I am > > > trying to > > > > > figure out if > > > > > > > is due to too having the > pellets and > > > taking shots > > > > > or because > > > > > > > I was in Singapore two weeks > ago and I > > > am still > > > > > adjusting to > > > > > > > jetlag (Any comments?) > > > > > > > - My libido has not improve > yet maybe > > > because I > > > > > have not > > > > > > > achieved good levels yet. > > > > > > > - Morning wood is infrequent > and not as > > > strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would appreciate your > feedback > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Testosterone results > > > > > > > 10/23/09 quest Baseline with > family Dr > > > > > > > Total T 157 (241-827) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10/31/09 labcorp baseline > with > > > Urologist > > > > > > > Total T 419 (241-827) > > > > > > > Free T 9.8 (6.8-21.5) > > > > > > > LH 6 (1.5-9.3) > > > > > > > Prolactin 3.6 (2.1-17.7) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11/19/09 labcorp (After > starting > > > Androgel) > > > > > > > Total T 350 (280-800) > > > > > > > Free T 6 (6.8-21.5) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12/15/09 quest (Highest dose > Androgel) > > > > > > > Total T 359 (250-1100) > > > > > > > Test free % 2.39 (1.5-2.2) > > > > > > > Free T 85.8 (35-155) > > > > > > > Estradiol 15 (13-54) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1/11/10 labcorp (Androgel) > > > > > > > Total T 243 (280-800) > > > > > > > Free T 7.3 (6.8-21.5) > > > > > > > Estradiol 6.3 (7.6-42.6) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1/25/10 labcorp (After 10 > days 200mg > > > enanthate) > > > > > > > Total T 193 (280-800) > > > > > > > Free T 4.3 (6.8-21.5) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pellets in 2/12/10 > > > > > > > 3/23/10 labcorp 1 month after > Testopel > > > pellets > > > > > > > Total T 496 (280-800) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4/15/10 quest 2 months after > Testopel > > > pellets > > > > > > > Total T 329 (250-1100) > > > > > > > Free T 91.1 (35-155) > > > > > > > Test Free % 2.77 (1.5-2.2) > > > > > > > estradiol 38 (13-54) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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