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May 1, 2007

Jigna,

Actually the TWO are considered the BEST combo by ME in my study guide book

review which is in the files section.

However I also review other books and two other combinations. But I have always

maintained these two be used together.

Nice to see another professional likes the same combo, Fred!

The tutorials on this site are specifically for studying for the PTCB. Most

have been made by myself. Some by Dora and other Texperts or from internet sites

and material.

The LINK section also provides some links to other study sites and material that

can/may help .

Having a PLAN to put in ACTION for studying is the FIRST and foremost thing that

one can do to ensure better preparedness for the exam.

Respectfully,

Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

Pharm Tech Educator

Founder/Owner of this site

" Shackelford, Fred " <fred.shackelford@...> wrote:

There are a couple of books I like, Jigna. Check on Joe Medina's book

and info by going to Tech Lectures:

New Tech Lectures email address: joemedina@...

<mailto:joemedina@...>

You can also try Noah Riefman's book, which is available at

www.pharmacytechnician.com

Also, Jeanetta always has great info and help on this chat group site.

Fred

________________________________

From:

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Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:46 PM

Subject: RE: help

Hi Fred

Thank you very much for your co-operation.

Which book I have to refer for the preparation of exam?

Jigna

" Shackelford, Fred " <fred.shackelford@...

<mailto:fred.shackelford%40methodisthospital.org> > wrote:

The only exam in California is the one given by PTCB. Go to www.ptcb.org

to find the dates and sites.

Fred

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shah

Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:55 PM

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Subject: help

Hi

Can you help me? I wants to appear for the pharmacy technician exam in

California. what are the procedure for that?

And which book is helpful for me for the preparation of the Pharmacy

technician exam?

Jigna

" Shackelford, Fred " <fred.shackelford@...

<mailto:fred.shackelford%40methodisthospital.org>

<mailto:fred.shackelford%40methodisthospital.org> > wrote: From my

perspective, there is no real difference in California. I work

in California. The terms are used interchangeably by most Pharmacy

people here. I heard a talk from a pharmacist/lawyer a few years ago. He

claimed that the way the law is interpreted in California, being

" registered " is the same as being " certified " . The official word in the

law book is " registered " .

Fred

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Subject: Licensed vs certified?

Hello,

I am in California and just about done with school. I have my final

next week. Would someone kindly explain to me what is the difference

between being licensed vs certified?

Thanks,

Irena

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June 26, 2007

See Dr Alistair's Cancer protocol.

Regards,

Renier

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June 27, 2007

Hi Joyce,

If you want to email me at btrentadue@... I can

give you some information, as well as the help

excellent recommendations you have already received,

that will help

Blessing, Bonnie

--- Dr Renier du Toit <natmed@...> wrote:

> See Dr Alistair's Cancer protocol.

>

> Regards,

>

> Renier

>

> Help

>

> Hi

> I have a family member who has stage 3 Breast

> cancer,

> lungs, bones, liver. refuses chemo/radiation.

> Anyone have a Cancer protocol that they feel may

> help.

> Also anything that could help with gaining weight.

> Thank you

> Joy

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There are some good alternative cancer treatments on www.cancertutor.org

This page is also useful

http://www.cancerfightingstrategies.com/

Joyce LaBrecque wrote:

Hi

I have a family member who has stage 3 Breast cancer,

lungs, bones, liver. refuses chemo/radiation.

Anyone have a Cancer protocol that they feel may help.

Also anything that could help with gaining weight.

Thank you

Joy

Warm Regards,

Joyce M. LaBrecque

8050 Sales Associate

June 30, 2007

Dear Joyce,

Would like to contribute. Write to

rosaliamariz@...

--- Dr Renier du Toit <natmed@...> wrote:

> See Dr Alistair's Cancer protocol.

>

> Regards,

>

> Renier

>

> Help

>

> Hi

> I have a family member who has stage 3 Breast

> cancer,

> lungs, bones, liver. refuses chemo/radiation.

> Anyone have a Cancer protocol that they feel may

> help.

> Also anything that could help with gaining weight.

> Thank you

> Joy

>

> Warm Regards,

>

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Hi Joyce,

I have had much success in working with Bill Fanning,

his website is www.BodyofBalance.com, also Dr.

Alistair is an amazing resource and very kind and

brilliant man. I would not hesitate to contact him at

www.biohealthservices.com.

Good Luck,Bon

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> Dear Joyce,

> Would like to contribute. Write to

> rosaliamariz@...

> --- Dr Renier du Toit <natmed@...> wrote:

>

> > See Dr Alistair's Cancer protocol.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Renier

> >

> > Help

> >

> > Hi

> > I have a family member who has stage 3 Breast

> > cancer,

> > lungs, bones, liver. refuses chemo/radiation.

> > Anyone have a Cancer protocol that they feel may

> > help.

> > Also anything that could help with gaining

> weight.

> > Thank you

> > Joy

> >

> > Warm Regards,

> >

> > Joyce M. LaBrecque

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Anyone have a Cancer protocol that they feel may help.

Also anything that could help with gaining weight.

A highly nutritious food is the coconut. One of the

only fruits with a high level of readily digestible

protein. The thai coconut will contain alot more and

sweeter variety of juice than the hawaiian. This

product may or maynot contribute to weight gain. But,

at this juncture, weight is not the main issue. A

person cannot keep claiming a condition and hope to

get rid of it.

Has the parasite issue been thoroughly covered??

July 6, 2007

Hi Bobby; welcome in --here's the protocol that I cobbled up:

To start it off, a couple of things that bowel disorders have in

common can be adressed to produce pretty uniformly positive results,

and both amount to a food approach that is missed or contradicted by

medicine.

About 96% of bowel disorders contain a component of dysbiosis that is

at least aggravating the condition if it didn't cause it. Dysbiosis

only means bad bacterial fluorish that incidentally produces a rather

large toxin load, which is irritating to the bowel lining 24/7.

Actually, medicine, probably the antibiotics, contributed greatly to

the Crohn's and dysbiosis.

Dysbiosis is corrected mainly by low-carbing and taking either high-

inulin foods or powdered inulin to the amount that is missing in the

modern diet, about 4/5 of optimal levles or about 12-15 grams. It's

blatantly non-toxic but can increase gas production for a couple of

weeks.

Most cases of illness including toxin-driven illnesses have

systemically depleted the master antioxidant and detoxifier, and in

local pockets as is seen in arthrits and Crohn's disease lesions, the

glutathione can be also completely depleted, which allows a large

amount of inflammation and free radical damage. This is serious in

any degenerative or inflammatory disorder and in Crohn's the

unchecked free radical damage irritates and perforates the bowel

lining probably even more than the original irritant because damage

proceeds like a chemical reaction until it is quenched, and the

required glutathione has been depleted.

So, we use a basic program to reduce the toxin load in the first

place with inulin, which feeds the good, probiotic bacteria so they

can control bowel ecology. We also use undenatured whey and selenium,

which produces the glutathione, which reduces irritants as well as

the actual free radical damage, which occurs in cascades until they

are quenched anyway. Glutathione is also an immunomodulator that

controls the inflammation caused by the immune response itself.

To add to that, because we know that carbohydrate foods feed bad

bowel ecology, we go low-carb to help starve them out. Rather than

listing the hundreds of foods that are OK on a low-carb diet, you

should learn which few are not OK: potatoes, corn, all sugary and

starchy foods, sweet potatoes, yams, sugar beets, most fruits, that

kind of thing. I think the rice will impair your progress. It seems

well and good but your probiotic bacteria do not used it half as fast

as candida and bowel pathogens do, and I think you've probably been

maintaining the infection with it.

Some of the comments on my feedback page are from people with Crohn's

who successfully used the approach; you should feel a material

improvement in 10 days to a month, and continue to improve for two or

three months.

If you choose to use an effective but relatively expensive

supplement, I'd recommend a high-dose probiotic along with the inulin

to seed a starter culture perhaps faster than you would without it.

This is not absolutely required but will speed up the reconditioning

of the bowel ecology. Here's an example on my site; you could use 5-

10 capsules of my first choice, 20 caps of the others, or a third of

a pouch of VSL#3 with the inulin:

Inulin and selenium: http://tinyurl.com/2m29z

undenatured whey: http://tinyurl.com/cuzcc

The glutathione created by undenatured whey and selenium is also used

directly in the ATP energy reaction; not only does it reduce the

toxin load that impairs energy production, it increases actual energy

production and recovery too. More info on glutathione is in my

references; even if you don't read them you can see in Dr. Gutman's

and the FDA presentations that low glutathione is uniformly bad and

actually all degenerative processes rely on glutathione being low.

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/glutathione-references.html

I don't think that IBD running in the family is a concern because so

does a diet low in glutathione precursors and low in inulin, the two

main factors that will reliably lead to disorders.

I can suspect that you'll probably need a potassium supplement; I

use " No-salt " no-sodium salt, and I don't use table or celtic salt at

all. Salt is antagonistic to potassium, and I'd recommend that casual

exposure to salt is plenty.

A degree of malabsorption always exists in bowel disorders, so you'll

need a little extra vitamins and minerals until you heal. I'm not a

nutritionist as I told you but these doses are fairly low and

probably currently depleted anyway.

* Zinc, 50 mg daily

* selenium 400-600 mcg daily

* undenatured whey 70 grams, (about 2 heaping tbsp, twice daily)

* inulin, a heaping tsp, (about 4 grams), three or four times with

meals.

* vitamin C - 2,000 mg at least twice, preferably 3x daily

* b-50 complex with folate also at least twice

* vitamin D, about 4,000 IU daily

* vitamin A, 10,000 IU daily

* vitamin E, 400 IU daily

* trace minerals, perhaps montmorillonite

* potassium, about 2 grams with your food, as " No-Salt " or some such.

You might initially need a few to several caps of betaine HCl with

each meal, until you start secreting adequate stomach acid again.

Give some consideration also to chromium, vanadium, and also calcium,

magnesium, and boron.

With regard to the achy feeling and brain fog, etc. Those symptoms

are from toxin and free radical load and they'll be reduced as you

reduce toxin production and quench toxin load. The liver and kidneys,

the detoxifying organs, are the biggest and second biggest users of

glutathione.

Lactose intolerance is eliminated by correcting bowel ecology with

inulin. That explains the on and off of the condition. Using inulin

to increase probiotics allows them to eat the lactose so you don't

react to it. So, traces of lactose in the undenatured whey will be OK.

Asthma, as you'll see in the glutathione references, is a condition

of toxin load usually depleted glutathione in the lung tissue.

Adequate glutathione will also reduce the sinus problem. You'll be

using undenatured whey, but you should know that the sinus and the

lungs can absorb glutathione directly, and glutahtione is available

as Mucomyst, a prescription asthma inhaler. This does not increase

systemic levels so perish the thought.

Blood pressure and other stress symptoms are increased by any

physical stressor including malnutrition and toxin load. You might

not be on the BP meds for long

> I have been taking these supplements Tribulus 500mg, VitaminD3,

> Acidophilus, Vitamin C 100mg, Vitamin E 400iu, Alpha Lipoic Acid

> 600mg, Vitamin A 10,000iu, CoenzymeQ10 150mg

The tribulus will not increase metabolic rate as well as an HGH

increase does. This might be an entirely new approach to you but it

should be interesting reading:

http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP/

Keep taking the lipoic acid; it recycles glutathione, but does NOT

provide the missing precursors in the undenatured whey and selenium.

The CoQ10 may not be necessary for long; it also helps to recycle

glutathione but usually the body creates enough of it and it's mainly

useful if you're taking drugs such as statins that deplete CoQ10.

You can take as much undenatured whey as you need to stop the flares;

once glutathione is replete you shouldn't get them, and any excess

will go to healing the leaky gut syndrome that is invariably present

in bowel disorders.

Let's not assume for the time being that you have a serious systemic

candida; this might remain a non-issue.

Duncan

----------------------------

>

> Hi Duncan and group,

>

> Here is my story last year Jan of 06 I was having prostate issues

and was

> given a misdiagnosis I was told I had a infection in my prostate

(later to

> find out I did not) and I was put on antibiotics for over three

months. I

> finally decided on my on to stop because there was not helping the

pain in

> my prostate area. But the prostate issues when away with time.

Shortly after

> stopping the antibiotics I discover I had a severe case of Candida

> overgrowth symptoms white coat on

tongue,fatigue,depression,hypoglycemic

> symptoms and the most diffuclt symptom of all BRAIN FOG I feel very

spacey

> unreal still last year. I have been to many of doctors on many

ocassion. I

> have not had any luck with them most don;t have a clue on resolving

this

> issues. I have tried many supplements, like Three

lac,Canidol,Candida Force

> etc, and drugs like Nystatin,Dicflucan and only eperince severe die-

off

> effect. I have since lose my apt and was off work for 6 months and

now run

> the rise of losing my job of 21 years. Can any one PLEASE HELP me

get rid of

> this?

>

> _________________________________________________________________

> http://liveearth.msn.com

>

July 6, 2007

Thank you Duncan I will give this a try. I have been trying to rid myself of

this problem for over a year and a half with no luck.

>From: " Duncan Crow " <duncancrow@...>

>Reply-candidiasis

>candidiasis

>Subject: Re: help

>Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 15:22:08 -0000

>

>Hi Bobby; welcome in --here's the protocol that I cobbled up:

>

>To start it off, a couple of things that bowel disorders have in

>common can be adressed to produce pretty uniformly positive results,

>and both amount to a food approach that is missed or contradicted by

>medicine.

>

>About 96% of bowel disorders contain a component of dysbiosis that is

>at least aggravating the condition if it didn't cause it. Dysbiosis

>only means bad bacterial fluorish that incidentally produces a rather

>large toxin load, which is irritating to the bowel lining 24/7.

>Actually, medicine, probably the antibiotics, contributed greatly to

>the Crohn's and dysbiosis.

>

>Dysbiosis is corrected mainly by low-carbing and taking either high-

>inulin foods or powdered inulin to the amount that is missing in the

>modern diet, about 4/5 of optimal levles or about 12-15 grams. It's

>blatantly non-toxic but can increase gas production for a couple of

>weeks.

>

>Most cases of illness including toxin-driven illnesses have

>systemically depleted the master antioxidant and detoxifier, and in

>local pockets as is seen in arthrits and Crohn's disease lesions, the

>glutathione can be also completely depleted, which allows a large

>amount of inflammation and free radical damage. This is serious in

>any degenerative or inflammatory disorder and in Crohn's the

>unchecked free radical damage irritates and perforates the bowel

>lining probably even more than the original irritant because damage

>proceeds like a chemical reaction until it is quenched, and the

>required glutathione has been depleted.

>

>So, we use a basic program to reduce the toxin load in the first

>place with inulin, which feeds the good, probiotic bacteria so they

>can control bowel ecology. We also use undenatured whey and selenium,

>which produces the glutathione, which reduces irritants as well as

>the actual free radical damage, which occurs in cascades until they

>are quenched anyway. Glutathione is also an immunomodulator that

>controls the inflammation caused by the immune response itself.

>

>To add to that, because we know that carbohydrate foods feed bad

>bowel ecology, we go low-carb to help starve them out. Rather than

>listing the hundreds of foods that are OK on a low-carb diet, you

>should learn which few are not OK: potatoes, corn, all sugary and

>starchy foods, sweet potatoes, yams, sugar beets, most fruits, that

>kind of thing. I think the rice will impair your progress. It seems

>well and good but your probiotic bacteria do not used it half as fast

>as candida and bowel pathogens do, and I think you've probably been

>maintaining the infection with it.

>

>Some of the comments on my feedback page are from people with Crohn's

>who successfully used the approach; you should feel a material

>improvement in 10 days to a month, and continue to improve for two or

>three months.

>

>If you choose to use an effective but relatively expensive

>supplement, I'd recommend a high-dose probiotic along with the inulin

>to seed a starter culture perhaps faster than you would without it.

>This is not absolutely required but will speed up the reconditioning

>of the bowel ecology. Here's an example on my site; you could use 5-

>10 capsules of my first choice, 20 caps of the others, or a third of

>a pouch of VSL#3 with the inulin:

>

>Inulin and selenium: http://tinyurl.com/2m29z

>undenatured whey: http://tinyurl.com/cuzcc

>

>The glutathione created by undenatured whey and selenium is also used

>directly in the ATP energy reaction; not only does it reduce the

>toxin load that impairs energy production, it increases actual energy

>production and recovery too. More info on glutathione is in my

>references; even if you don't read them you can see in Dr. Gutman's

>and the FDA presentations that low glutathione is uniformly bad and

>actually all degenerative processes rely on glutathione being low.

>http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/glutathione-references.html

>

>I don't think that IBD running in the family is a concern because so

>does a diet low in glutathione precursors and low in inulin, the two

>main factors that will reliably lead to disorders.

>

>I can suspect that you'll probably need a potassium supplement; I

>use " No-salt " no-sodium salt, and I don't use table or celtic salt at

>all. Salt is antagonistic to potassium, and I'd recommend that casual

>exposure to salt is plenty.

>

>A degree of malabsorption always exists in bowel disorders, so you'll

>need a little extra vitamins and minerals until you heal. I'm not a

>nutritionist as I told you but these doses are fairly low and

>probably currently depleted anyway.

>

>* Zinc, 50 mg daily

>* selenium 400-600 mcg daily

>* undenatured whey 70 grams, (about 2 heaping tbsp, twice daily)

>* inulin, a heaping tsp, (about 4 grams), three or four times with

>meals.

>* vitamin C - 2,000 mg at least twice, preferably 3x daily

>* b-50 complex with folate also at least twice

>* vitamin D, about 4,000 IU daily

>* vitamin A, 10,000 IU daily

>* vitamin E, 400 IU daily

>* trace minerals, perhaps montmorillonite

>* potassium, about 2 grams with your food, as " No-Salt " or some such.

>

>You might initially need a few to several caps of betaine HCl with

>each meal, until you start secreting adequate stomach acid again.

>Give some consideration also to chromium, vanadium, and also calcium,

>magnesium, and boron.

>

>With regard to the achy feeling and brain fog, etc. Those symptoms

>are from toxin and free radical load and they'll be reduced as you

>reduce toxin production and quench toxin load. The liver and kidneys,

>the detoxifying organs, are the biggest and second biggest users of

>glutathione.

>

>Lactose intolerance is eliminated by correcting bowel ecology with

>inulin. That explains the on and off of the condition. Using inulin

>to increase probiotics allows them to eat the lactose so you don't

>react to it. So, traces of lactose in the undenatured whey will be OK.

>

>Asthma, as you'll see in the glutathione references, is a condition

>of toxin load usually depleted glutathione in the lung tissue.

>Adequate glutathione will also reduce the sinus problem. You'll be

>using undenatured whey, but you should know that the sinus and the

>lungs can absorb glutathione directly, and glutahtione is available

>as Mucomyst, a prescription asthma inhaler. This does not increase

>systemic levels so perish the thought.

>

>Blood pressure and other stress symptoms are increased by any

>physical stressor including malnutrition and toxin load. You might

>not be on the BP meds for long

>

> > I have been taking these supplements Tribulus 500mg, VitaminD3,

> > Acidophilus, Vitamin C 100mg, Vitamin E 400iu, Alpha Lipoic Acid

> > 600mg, Vitamin A 10,000iu, CoenzymeQ10 150mg

>

>The tribulus will not increase metabolic rate as well as an HGH

>increase does. This might be an entirely new approach to you but it

>should be interesting reading:

>http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP/

>

>Keep taking the lipoic acid; it recycles glutathione, but does NOT

>provide the missing precursors in the undenatured whey and selenium.

>The CoQ10 may not be necessary for long; it also helps to recycle

>glutathione but usually the body creates enough of it and it's mainly

>useful if you're taking drugs such as statins that deplete CoQ10.

>

>You can take as much undenatured whey as you need to stop the flares;

>once glutathione is replete you shouldn't get them, and any excess

>will go to healing the leaky gut syndrome that is invariably present

>in bowel disorders.

>

>Let's not assume for the time being that you have a serious systemic

>candida; this might remain a non-issue.

>

>Duncan

>

>----------------------------

>

> >

> > Hi Duncan and group,

> >

> > Here is my story last year Jan of 06 I was having prostate issues

>and was

> > given a misdiagnosis I was told I had a infection in my prostate

>(later to

> > find out I did not) and I was put on antibiotics for over three

>months. I

> > finally decided on my on to stop because there was not helping the

>pain in

> > my prostate area. But the prostate issues when away with time.

>Shortly after

> > stopping the antibiotics I discover I had a severe case of Candida

> > overgrowth symptoms white coat on

>tongue,fatigue,depression,hypoglycemic

> > symptoms and the most diffuclt symptom of all BRAIN FOG I feel very

>spacey

> > unreal still last year. I have been to many of doctors on many

>ocassion. I

> > have not had any luck with them most don;t have a clue on resolving

>this

> > issues. I have tried many supplements, like Three

>lac,Canidol,Candida Force

> > etc, and drugs like Nystatin,Dicflucan and only eperince severe die-

>off

> > effect. I have since lose my apt and was off work for 6 months and

>now run

> > the rise of losing my job of 21 years. Can any one PLEASE HELP me

>get rid of

> > this?

> >

> > _________________________________________________________________

> > http://liveearth.msn.com

> >

>

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> Hi

> I have a family member who has stage 3 Breast cancer,

> lungs, bones, liver. refuses chemo/radiation.

> Anyone have a Cancer protocol that they feel may help.

> Also anything that could help with gaining weight.

> Thank you

> Joy

>

> Warm Regards,

>

> Joyce M. LaBrecque

> 8050 Sales Associate

>

October 18, 2007

Dear Deb,

Try go here:

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Hope you can resolve the problem.

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deb3857wick <deborah.harper@...> wrote:

I know this is off topic, but I need some help. I have a whirlpool

washer that is putting holes in all my clothes. Whirlpool will do

nothing about it. Does anyone know of someone I can contact to help

me with this situation? It is a new washer, just over one year

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__________________________________________________

November 6, 2007

Ive been using vco for more than a year now and have seen

all the benefits. I take 6 tablespoons a day the only

problem that make it difficult for me is the diarhea that

occurs afterwards. I ve tried reducing the intake but no

relief.

Regards

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On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 23:55:55 +0800

" Murray " <doublaswalter@...> wrote:

> Yes, the red palm oil certainly has a distinct flavor of

> its own. I have

> tried it straight and do not think much of the taste,

> however when stir

> frying veggies and frying eggs and adding to soups etc it

> imparts a

> wonderful an unique flavor.

> I have just ordered some from Australia. Will see how it

> compares to the

> African oil.

> Cheers, Doug

> Re: Back to Elan

>

> >

> > Elan:

> >

> > I went online and read about the Red Palm Oil that you

> buy and after

> reading the story about the oil that is exported, I guess

> I have the

> wrong kind. It is from Ghana and tastes dreadful, so

> perhaps it is

> made from that Hybrid Tenera Palm that was mentioned.

> >

> > Bonnie

>

> Hmmm...Well, I've never eaten this palm oil right out of

> the jar. I

> don't think it tastes very good that way at all. I only

> use it for

> cooking, and when cooked with things like veggies, it

> seems to add a

> nice, savory flavor to food. The website just says the

> oil is from

> West Africa, and Ghana is in West Africa, so who knows if

> the brand I

> use is any better or different than the one you have? I

> don't know.

> Maybe it's just an acquired taste?

>

> If you do get the Jungle Products brand and find you like

> it better

> than the one you have now, will you please let us know?

> Thanks.

>

> elan

>

November 6, 2007

Hi !

I suggest you stop taking it for a while ( say for the next 5 days). When you

start to fell better, you try taking it again but at a lower daily amount ( say,

starting at only 1 tbsp per day, then increasing to 2 tbsp after a week). At

the amount you're ingesting daily, this could be above your saturation level,

resulting to your problem. Thus, try not exceeding 3 tbsp. Ok, but others

may have a better recommendation on your inquiry.

All the best,

Sev Magat

OLIVE NYAKAMA <mazolie@...> wrote:

Ive been using vco for more than a year now and have seen

all the benefits. I take 6 tablespoons a day the only

problem that make it difficult for me is the diarhea that

occurs afterwards. I ve tried reducing the intake but no

relief.

Regards

Zngi

On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 23:55:55 +0800

" Murray " <doublaswalter@...> wrote:

> Yes, the red palm oil certainly has a distinct flavor of

> its own. I have

> tried it straight and do not think much of the taste,

> however when stir

> frying veggies and frying eggs and adding to soups etc it

> imparts a

> wonderful an unique flavor.

> I have just ordered some from Australia. Will see how it

> compares to the

> African oil.

> Cheers, Doug

> Re: Back to Elan

>

> >

> > Elan:

> >

> > I went online and read about the Red Palm Oil that you

> buy and after

> reading the story about the oil that is exported, I guess

> I have the

> wrong kind. It is from Ghana and tastes dreadful, so

> perhaps it is

> made from that Hybrid Tenera Palm that was mentioned.

> >

> > Bonnie

>

> Hmmm...Well, I've never eaten this palm oil right out of

> the jar. I

> don't think it tastes very good that way at all. I only

> use it for

> cooking, and when cooked with things like veggies, it

> seems to add a

> nice, savory flavor to food. The website just says the

> oil is from

> West Africa, and Ghana is in West Africa, so who knows if

> the brand I

> use is any better or different than the one you have? I

> don't know.

> Maybe it's just an acquired taste?

>

> If you do get the Jungle Products brand and find you like

> it better

> than the one you have now, will you please let us know?

> Thanks.

>

> elan

>

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November 6, 2007

You mean if you stop using the VCO you still have diahrea?

Bonnie

Re: Back to Elan

>

> >

> > Elan:

> >

> > I went online and read about the Red Palm Oil that you

> buy and after

> reading the story about the oil that is exported, I guess

> I have the

> wrong kind. It is from Ghana and tastes dreadful, so

> perhaps it is

> made from that Hybrid Tenera Palm that was mentioned.

> >

> > Bonnie

>

> Hmmm...Well, I've never eaten this palm oil right out of

> the jar. I

> don't think it tastes very good that way at all. I only

> use it for

> cooking, and when cooked with things like veggies, it

> seems to add a

> nice, savory flavor to food. The website just says the

> oil is from

> West Africa, and Ghana is in West Africa, so who knows if

> the brand I

> use is any better or different than the one you have? I

> don't know.

> Maybe it's just an acquired taste?

>

> If you do get the Jungle Products brand and find you like

> it better

> than the one you have now, will you please let us know?

> Thanks.

>

> elan

>

November 6, 2007

I have been using it for nearly 8 years no and I have never had any diarrhea

in that time for any reason that I can remember. I have been a little soft a

few times but normally have 3-4 movements a day all of which are like large

marbles of various sizes and float so well that sometimes they do no want to

flush.I have been told on many occasions that I need to drink a lot more

water. I probably average close to 2 liters a day.

I do not take the oil as a therapeutic protocol but use it in many things.

Probably average 2-4 tbls a day but seldom would make 5-6 tbls.

Cheers, Doug

Re: Back to Elan

>>

>> >

>> > Elan:

>> >

>> > I went online and read about the Red Palm Oil that you

>> buy and after

>> reading the story about the oil that is exported, I guess

>> I have the

>> wrong kind. It is from Ghana and tastes dreadful, so

>> perhaps it is

>> made from that Hybrid Tenera Palm that was mentioned.

>> >

>> > Bonnie

>>

>> Hmmm...Well, I've never eaten this palm oil right out of

>> the jar. I

>> don't think it tastes very good that way at all. I only

>> use it for

>> cooking, and when cooked with things like veggies, it

>> seems to add a

>> nice, savory flavor to food. The website just says the

>> oil is from

>> West Africa, and Ghana is in West Africa, so who knows if

>> the brand I

>> use is any better or different than the one you have? I

>> don't know.

>> Maybe it's just an acquired taste?

>>

>> If you do get the Jungle Products brand and find you like

>> it better

>> than the one you have now, will you please let us know?

>> Thanks.

>>

>> elan

>>

>

November 8, 2007

Tammy,

I am so sorry. I feel your pain. I have had 2 nerve block injections this

past summer. I have a bulging disk that is pinching a nerve. I am currently

taking Neurotic that relieves some of the pain. I can sympathize with the

sitting. If I sit too long my leg has a shooting pain down the back of it and

when I get up I can barely walk. Keep applying for disability. Has your doctors

written letters stating your injury and requesting disability for you? I have

been on disability years ago for anorexia,don't give up. It took me a while to

get on it myself.

Donna

Cruikshank <d.cruikshank@...> wrote:

At 09:55 AM 11/8/07, you wrote:

>Hi All,

>

>I wrote to you all about a year ago i was going in for my 5th back

>surgery. Well it will be a year dec. 1st . my back is much worse i

>now have leg pain not only in my left leg but now in my right leg. i

>go for a nerve block next week. I cant work but disability thinks i

>can do a sit down job ya right i have trouble sitting to eat with my

>children at dinner time . Just dont know what to do any more.The

>double fusion they did not work.. This has been going on since 2000

>a long time. The doctor said that i could have another operation to

>try to fuse it again. Just dont know.Im broke and just cant deal

>with this anymore.

>

>Tammy

Tammy, I know where your coming from. I was re-injured in January of

2000 and had my 3 & 4th back surgery that year. I tried to work, my

Wife and I owned our own business, but had to finally give in March

of 2005. In between when I tried to work, but couldn't we tried for

all of the assistance we could get. Here in PA, we were able to get

food stamps, some cash help, assistance with our electric and heat,

and a non-profit paid for our rent 2X in the 5 years. My belief is

that it is virutally impossible to get SSDI without a lawyer. We got

the Law firm of Binder and Binder, the ones who advertise on TV all

the time. We applied for the SSDI and were turned down, which is

pretty normal. They then filed an appeal. It took about 12-13 months

to get the appeal date. I won on appeal. It took a lot of legwork

on my end. It takes all the medical and psychiatric evidence you can

pull together. Not to say your nuts, but depression is usually a big

factor with chronic pain. You also need to show medical evidence of

test you have had, and treatments you have tried. Unfortunately I

had tons of evidence, but had to get all new records, because

anything performed before you filed, or maybe it's before you

couldn't work anymore, is inadmissible. I had 2-3 years of MRI's Cat

Scans, Injections, P/T , Acupuncture, operations you name it, but

they didn't count, because I did the honorable thing, and Tried to

work. The lawyer didn't cost me anything up front. They took 25% of

my settlement or $4500 whichever was more, that's it. It was worth

it, because I know people who have tried it for years without a

lawyer. To me the lawyer was worth every red cent. Start at your

county or city assistance office first. They can even provide free

legal service to get you the food stamps if your denied. Hope this

helps some. Dave in Reading , PA

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November 8, 2007