Re: Been on TRT almost 6 months..Almost dialed in.- Red Blood Cells

[Guest guest]

Having a red face and feeling flushed is common sign of people undergoing

testosterone replacement.

Testosterone stimulates the production of red blood cells. A little this is a

good thing but too much of this causes problems. Some people refer this this as

" thick blood " .

Hemoglobin, RBC's, RDW, Hematocrit and several other test values correlate with

this. The fix for this is phlebotomy, A.K.A. bloodletting.

After 18 months of TRT, my red blood cells were dangerously high. After a

period of monthly checks and few bloodlettings where they threw the blood away,

I started donating at my local community blood center.

They always test hemoglobin before you donate, and my hemoglobin has gone from

over 18 to 15.1 with donations every 2-3 months. If your hemoglobin goes to

high the blood center can't use your blood, and they will probably send you back

to your doctor for evaluation.

Your goal should be to keep your hemoglobin in the normal range.

Most of the other red blood cell related measurements will probably fall in

line.

Randy Hoops

>

> 3. I feel hot, and get flush/ed a lot. My face and neck are fairly red a lot

of the time. I also have noticed that I get like this easy, particularly if I

get stressed out.

>

> Thanks, Randall

[Guest guest]

" k0cm " <Randy@...> wrote:

>

> Having a red face and feeling flushed is common sign of people undergoing

testosterone replacement.

This is from high estrogen.

> Testosterone stimulates the production of red blood cells. A little this is a

good thing but too much of this causes problems. Some people refer this this as

" thick blood " .

>

> Hemoglobin, RBC's, RDW, Hematocrit and several other test values correlate

with this. The fix for this is phlebotomy, A.K.A. bloodletting.

No, the fix is to take less more often. Getting thyroid optimal will let you

take less. You are ODing on the testosterone to make up for the lack of

thyroid. SHBG comes into play here with thyroid raising it, which allows your

testosterone to last longer. If you donate blood more than twice a year, you

will be depleting your ferritin (stored iron), which leads to OTHER problems,

including suboptimal thyroid function in your body. You may still produce

enough thyroid hormone, but your body won't be able to use it without adequate

ferritin.

The recommendation to phlebotomize often is VERY BAD ADVICE and someone on this

list can testify to that. He did double RBCs until his body just about " broke. "

Barb

[Guest guest]

If high estrogen causes a red face, why don't women of childbearing years have

red faces?

Randy

> >

> > Having a red face and feeling flushed is common sign of people undergoing

testosterone replacement.

>

> This is from high estrogen.

>

[Guest guest]

Because ample estrogen is NORMAL in women. Now ask what happens when a woman

has high testosterone. It's called PCOS and results in infertility and

masculine features and insulin resistance, all not normal.

High estrogen in men causes ED, red face, anxiety, water retention, etc. Stop

your Arimidex and see how you feel.

> > >

> > > Having a red face and feeling flushed is common sign of people undergoing

testosterone replacement.

> >

> > This is from high estrogen.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The only time I've ever had a red face was when my BP was too high. It was from

low thyroid and went away as that was raised.

Progesterone helps thyroid utilization in the body. That's why women become

hypo at menopause.

Barb

> > >

> > > Having a red face and feeling flushed is common sign of people

> undergoing testosterone replacement.

> >

> > This is from high estrogen.

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

What does Progesterone do for men?  Glen

From: <hostmaster@...>

Subject: RE: Re: Been on TRT almost 6 months..Almost dialed in.-

Red Blood Cells

Date: Tuesday, November 23, 2010, 8:55 AM

 

Hi Randy,

Actually, some women do.

When a woman has too much estrogen but not enough progesterone to balance

the estrogen, a red face and chest can occur. This happened to my

girlfriend. Once she started to take bio-identical progesterone, the

redness started to go away.

It could also have to do with blood pressure. Once my girlfriend started

the progesterone, her blood pressure went down, too.

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of k0cm

Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 8:52 PM

Subject: Re: Been on TRT almost 6 months..Almost dialed in.-

Red Blood Cells

If high estrogen causes a red face, why don't women of childbearing years

have red faces?

Randy

> >

> > Having a red face and feeling flushed is common sign of people

undergoing testosterone replacement.

>

> This is from high estrogen.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Glen,

I have heard of some men using progesterone, but I believe it is usually

discouraged.

From what I remember, progesterone can cause moodiness and can cause you to

become more emotional. I really don’t know much about men using progesterone.

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Glen Sharp

Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 12:21 PM

Subject: RE: Re: Been on TRT almost 6 months..Almost dialed in.-

Red Blood Cells

What does Progesterone do for men? Glen

From: <hostmaster@... <mailto:hostmaster%40jancik.com> >

Subject: RE: Re: Been on TRT almost 6 months..Almost dialed in.-

Red Blood Cells

<mailto: %40>

Date: Tuesday, November 23, 2010, 8:55 AM

Hi Randy,

Actually, some women do.

When a woman has too much estrogen but not enough progesterone to balance

the estrogen, a red face and chest can occur. This happened to my

girlfriend. Once she started to take bio-identical progesterone, the

redness started to go away.

It could also have to do with blood pressure. Once my girlfriend started

the progesterone, her blood pressure went down, too.

From: <mailto: %40>

[mailto: <mailto: %40> ]

On Behalf Of k0cm

Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 8:52 PM

<mailto: %40>

Subject: Re: Been on TRT almost 6 months..Almost dialed in.-

Red Blood Cells

If high estrogen causes a red face, why don't women of childbearing years

have red faces?

Randy

> >

> > Having a red face and feeling flushed is common sign of people

undergoing testosterone replacement.

>

> This is from high estrogen.

>

[Guest guest]

If you open this link to a Steroid Tree you will see hormones start with Chol.

then go into Pregnenolone From this it goes into Progesterone and this is the

best way to raise your levels. Progesterone is a feminizing hormone and most

men don't do well taking it. It's better to take Progesterone in cream forum

and let this convert into the hormones your body needs.

I use Life-Flo Natural Pregnenolone Cream.

http://www.vitaminusa.com/prbocr2ozbyl.html

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

>

> From: <hostmaster@...>

> Subject: RE: Re: Been on TRT almost 6

> months..Almost dialed in.- Red Blood Cells

>

> Date: Tuesday, November 23, 2010, 8:55 AM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Hi Randy,

>

> Actually, some women do.

>

> When a woman has too much estrogen but not enough

> progesterone to balance

> the estrogen, a red face and chest can occur. This happened

> to my

> girlfriend. Once she started to take bio-identical

> progesterone, the

> redness started to go away.

>

> It could also have to do with blood pressure. Once my

> girlfriend started

> the progesterone, her blood pressure went down, too.

>

>

>

> From:

> [mailto: ]

> On Behalf Of k0cm

> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 8:52 PM

>

> Subject: Re: Been on TRT almost 6

> months..Almost dialed in.-

> Red Blood Cells

>

> If high estrogen causes a red face, why don't women of

> childbearing years

> have red faces?

>

> Randy

>

>

> > >

> > > Having a red face and feeling flushed is common

> sign of people

> undergoing testosterone replacement.

> >

> > This is from high estrogen.

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry I forgot the link to the tree.

http://tinyurl.com/27vgdcz

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> >

> > From: <hostmaster@...>

> > Subject: RE: Re: Been on TRT almost 6

> > months..Almost dialed in.- Red Blood Cells

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, November 23, 2010, 8:55 AM

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Randy,

> >

> > Actually, some women do.

> >

> > When a woman has too much estrogen but not enough

> > progesterone to balance

> > the estrogen, a red face and chest can occur. This

> happened

> > to my

> > girlfriend. Once she started to take bio-identical

> > progesterone, the

> > redness started to go away.

> >

> > It could also have to do with blood pressure. Once my

> > girlfriend started

> > the progesterone, her blood pressure went down, too.

> >

> >

> >

> > From:

> > [mailto: ]

> > On Behalf Of k0cm

> > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 8:52 PM

> >

> > Subject: Re: Been on TRT almost 6

> > months..Almost dialed in.-

> > Red Blood Cells

> >

> > If high estrogen causes a red face, why don't women

> of

> > childbearing years

> > have red faces?

> >

> > Randy

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > > Having a red face and feeling flushed is

> common

> > sign of people

> > undergoing testosterone replacement.

> > >

> > > This is from high estrogen.

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Pregnenolone is more often used, however Progesterone is also used in HRT in

small amounts as it is said to lower E2 and balance things out, it depends on

the person how it works.

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From: <hostmaster@...>

Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 11:35:42 AM

Subject: RE: Re: Been on TRT almost 6 months..Almost dialed in.-

Red Blood Cells

Hi Glen,

I have heard of some men using progesterone, but I believe it is usually

discouraged.

From what I remember, progesterone can cause moodiness and can cause you to

become more emotional. I really don’t know much about men using progesterone.

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Glen Sharp

Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 12:21 PM

Subject: RE: Re: Been on TRT almost 6 months..Almost dialed in.-

Red Blood Cells

What does Progesterone do for men? Glen

From: <hostmaster@... <mailto:hostmaster%40jancik.com> >

Subject: RE: Re: Been on TRT almost 6 months..Almost dialed in.-

Red Blood Cells

<mailto: %40>

Date: Tuesday, November 23, 2010, 8:55 AM

Hi Randy,

Actually, some women do.

When a woman has too much estrogen but not enough progesterone to balance

the estrogen, a red face and chest can occur. This happened to my

girlfriend. Once she started to take bio-identical progesterone, the

redness started to go away.

It could also have to do with blood pressure. Once my girlfriend started

the progesterone, her blood pressure went down, too.

From: <mailto: %40>

[mailto: <mailto: %40> ]

On Behalf Of k0cm

Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 8:52 PM

<mailto: %40>

Subject: Re: Been on TRT almost 6 months..Almost dialed in.-

Red Blood Cells

If high estrogen causes a red face, why don't women of childbearing years

have red faces?

Randy

> >

> > Having a red face and feeling flushed is common sign of people

undergoing testosterone replacement.

>

> This is from high estrogen.

>

[Guest guest]

Most men at Dr. 's forum that tried this ended up with higher levels of

Estradiol on Prog.

Dr. says this is a feminizing hormone that men should not take.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> From: <hostmaster@...

> <mailto:hostmaster%40jancik.com> >

> Subject: RE: Re: Been on TRT almost 6

> months..Almost dialed in.-

> Red Blood Cells

>

> <mailto: %40>

> Date: Tuesday, November 23, 2010, 8:55 AM

>

> Hi Randy,

>

> Actually, some women do.

>

> When a woman has too much estrogen but not enough

> progesterone to balance

> the estrogen, a red face and chest can occur. This happened

> to my

> girlfriend. Once she started to take bio-identical

> progesterone, the

> redness started to go away.

>

> It could also have to do with blood pressure. Once my

> girlfriend started

> the progesterone, her blood pressure went down, too.

>

>

>

> From:

> <mailto: %40> 

> [mailto:

> <mailto: %40> ]

> On Behalf Of k0cm

> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 8:52 PM

>

> <mailto: %40>

> Subject: Re: Been on TRT almost 6

> months..Almost dialed in.-

> Red Blood Cells

>

> If high estrogen causes a red face, why don't women of

> childbearing years

> have red faces?

>

> Randy

>

>

> > >

> > > Having a red face and feeling flushed is common

> sign of people

> undergoing testosterone replacement.

> >

> > This is from high estrogen.

> >

>

>