Re: T-shots and agressive behavior

[Guest guest]

Well I've heard of 'Roid rage but never experienced it.

I've been on " T " injections for 3 years and am more laid back and pleasant to be

around than ever.

I was on the lookout for this symptom, but it never happened to me.

With me I used to get crank and irritable when I felt bad and I think I felt bad

because I had low " T " . Once I got that fixed, I felt better and my mood

improved, and I actually became less agressive.

Randy Hoops

Springfield, MO

>

> Hey Guys,

>

> I have been on T-shots since early this year. Off late, I have noticed a

change in my behavior and my wife has pointed that out too. I think that I have

become more agressive as a person and not in a good way.

>

> For example, I find myself driving agressively quite often. Whenver I realize

it, I try to correct myself immediately. However, I do think that the T-shots

have something to do with this change in my behavior.

>

> Any others noticed anything similar? Got any tips on how I can make myself

less agressive.

>

> Cheers !

>

[Guest guest]

I have been on T shots for a couple of years and don't notice any aggressive

tendencies. I do notice my legs are getting very hairy. Not bad, huh.

Bill

From: Randy@...

Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 03:09:12 +0000

Subject: Re: T-shots and agressive behavior

Well I've heard of 'Roid rage but never experienced it.

I've been on " T " injections for 3 years and am more laid back and pleasant to be

around than ever.

I was on the lookout for this symptom, but it never happened to me.

With me I used to get crank and irritable when I felt bad and I think I felt bad

because I had low " T " . Once I got that fixed, I felt better and my mood

improved, and I actually became less agressive.

Randy Hoops

Springfield, MO

>

> Hey Guys,

>

> I have been on T-shots since early this year. Off late, I have noticed a

change in my behavior and my wife has pointed that out too. I think that I have

become more agressive as a person and not in a good way.

>

> For example, I find myself driving agressively quite often. Whenver I realize

it, I try to correct myself immediately. However, I do think that the T-shots

have something to do with this change in my behavior.

>

> Any others noticed anything similar? Got any tips on how I can make myself

less agressive.

>

> Cheers !

>

[Guest guest]

Hi alwal.alwal,

My doctor says that increased aggression (and mood swings, anxiety,

grumpiness, etc.) in males is a sign of high estradiol levels.

Rocky Mountain Analytical - an " accredited medical lab " (according to their

web site) - says:

From: http://www.rmalab.com/index.php?id=9

Apathy, Depression, Grumpiness

Our laboratory data show that approximately 3/5 of men with self reported

symptoms including aggression, apathy, depression, irritability and an

inability to cope have at least one out of range hormone result. It isn't

clear whether restoring hormone balance will lessen these mood symptoms, but

many men experience some relief from mood disorders when hormone balance is

restored.

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estradiol

Adverse central nervous system

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_nervous_system> effects include

headache, migraine <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migraine> , dizziness

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dizziness> , mental depression, chorea

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chorea> , nervousness

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nervousness> /anxiety

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anxiety> , mood

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mood_disturbances> disturbances, irritability

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irritability> , and worsening of epilepsy

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epilepsy> .

I would suggest getting your estradiol levels checked. If you are above 20,

you could probably stand to come down a little (even though the top of the

reference range is something like 56).

Hope this helps!

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of alwal.alwal

Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 9:04 PM

Subject: T-shots and agressive behavior

Hey Guys,

I have been on T-shots since early this year. Off late, I have noticed a

change in my behavior and my wife has pointed that out too. I think that I

have become more agressive as a person and not in a good way.

For example, I find myself driving agressively quite often. Whenver I

realize it, I try to correct myself immediately. However, I do think that

the T-shots have something to do with this change in my behavior.

Any others noticed anything similar? Got any tips on how I can make myself

less agressive.

Cheers !

[Guest guest]

Lets not forget that high estradiol within the cells can appear even with normal

serum ranges.

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Den 14. nov. 2010 kl. 08.39 skrev " " <hostmaster@...>:

Hi alwal.alwal,

My doctor says that increased aggression (and mood swings, anxiety,

grumpiness, etc.) in males is a sign of high estradiol levels.

Rocky Mountain Analytical - an " accredited medical lab " (according to their

web site) - says:

From: http://www.rmalab.com/index.php?id=9

Apathy, Depression, Grumpiness

Our laboratory data show that approximately 3/5 of men with self reported

symptoms including aggression, apathy, depression, irritability and an

inability to cope have at least one out of range hormone result. It isn't

clear whether restoring hormone balance will lessen these mood symptoms, but

many men experience some relief from mood disorders when hormone balance is

restored.

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estradiol

Adverse central nervous system

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_nervous_system> effects include

headache, migraine <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migraine> , dizziness

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dizziness> , mental depression, chorea

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chorea> , nervousness

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nervousness> /anxiety

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anxiety> , mood

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mood_disturbances> disturbances, irritability

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irritability> , and worsening of epilepsy

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epilepsy> .

I would suggest getting your estradiol levels checked. If you are above 20,

you could probably stand to come down a little (even though the top of the

reference range is something like 56).

Hope this helps!

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of alwal.alwal

Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 9:04 PM

Subject: T-shots and agressive behavior

Hey Guys,

I have been on T-shots since early this year. Off late, I have noticed a

change in my behavior and my wife has pointed that out too. I think that I

have become more agressive as a person and not in a good way.

For example, I find myself driving agressively quite often. Whenver I

realize it, I try to correct myself immediately. However, I do think that

the T-shots have something to do with this change in my behavior.

Any others noticed anything similar? Got any tips on how I can make myself

less agressive.

Cheers !

[Guest guest]

No can't say I have see this with me and I have been on TRT 29 yrs. What can do

this to you is your Estraidol levels can be on the high side. When this gets to

high we lose our sex life and feel a lot anxiety even feel panic feelings with

aggression.

Do test this I use Quest labs test #4021 the range is 13 to 54 pg/ml your best

levels are 20 or what ever gives you good night time and morning wood.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: alwal.alwal <alwal.alwal@...>

> Subject: T-shots and agressive behavior

>

> Date: Saturday, November 13, 2010, 10:04 PM

> Hey Guys,

>

> I have been on T-shots since early this year. Off late, I

> have noticed a change in my behavior and my wife has pointed

> that out too. I think that I have become more agressive as a

> person and not in a good way.

>

> For example, I find myself driving agressively quite often.

> Whenver I realize it, I try to correct myself immediately.

> However, I do think that the T-shots have something to do

> with this change in my behavior.

>

> Any others noticed anything similar? Got any tips on how I

> can make myself less agressive.

>

> Cheers !

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bill good for you I hate all the dam hair I have on my body from being on TRT

and it gets dam long. I give my body a buzz cut about every 3 months.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Bill C <captainmarvel58@...>

> Subject: RE: Re: T-shots and agressive behavior

>

> Date: Saturday, November 13, 2010, 11:18 PM

>

> I have been on T shots for a couple of years and don't

> notice any aggressive tendencies.  I do notice my legs

> are getting very hairy.  Not bad, huh.

>

> Bill

>

>

>

>

> From: Randy@...

> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 03:09:12 +0000

> Subject: Re: T-shots and agressive behavior

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Well I've heard of 'Roid rage but never experienced it.

>

> I've been on " T " injections for 3 years and am more laid

> back and pleasant to be around than ever.

>

> I was on the lookout for this symptom, but it never

> happened to me.

>

> With me I used to get crank and irritable when I felt bad

> and I think I felt bad because I had low " T " . Once I got

> that fixed, I felt better and my mood improved, and I

> actually became less agressive.

>

> Randy Hoops

> Springfield, MO

>

>

> >

> > Hey Guys,

> >

> > I have been on T-shots since early this year. Off

> late, I have noticed a change in my behavior and my wife has

> pointed that out too. I think that I have become more

> agressive as a person and not in a good way.

> >

> > For example, I find myself driving agressively quite

> often. Whenver I realize it, I try to correct myself

> immediately. However, I do think that the T-shots have

> something to do with this change in my behavior.

> >

> > Any others noticed anything similar? Got any tips on

> how I can make myself less agressive.

> >

> > Cheers !

> >

>

>

>

>    

>         

>           

>  

>

>

[Guest guest]

I second Randy's experience.

I've been calmer now that my chemistry is looking better.

Of course, I'm dealing with a lot of different issues, so I'm not sure T is to

credit.

I was worried about this when I started T shots, so I did some searching around

body building websites to see how it is being used for anabolic purposes.

Turns out that many bodybuilders abuse T cypionante/enthanate by taking cycles

of 500mg / week. That's 5 times what I was prescribed!

If you're having mood problems, maybe try looking into cortisol issues. High or

low, that could cause you problems.

> >

> > Hey Guys,

> >

> > I have been on T-shots since early this year. Off late, I have noticed a

change in my behavior and my wife has pointed that out too. I think that I have

become more agressive as a person and not in a good way.

> >

> > For example, I find myself driving agressively quite often. Whenver I

realize it, I try to correct myself immediately. However, I do think that the

T-shots have something to do with this change in my behavior.

> >

> > Any others noticed anything similar? Got any tips on how I can make myself

less agressive.

> >

> > Cheers !

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you . The information is very helpful and I will discuss it with my

endocrinologist the next time I go to see her next week.

>

> Hi alwal.alwal,

>

>

>

> My doctor says that increased aggression (and mood swings, anxiety,

> grumpiness, etc.) in males is a sign of high estradiol levels.

>

>

>

> Rocky Mountain Analytical - an " accredited medical lab " (according to their

> web site) - says:

>

>

>

> From: http://www.rmalab.com/index.php?id=9

>

> Apathy, Depression, Grumpiness

>

> Our laboratory data show that approximately 3/5 of men with self reported

> symptoms including aggression, apathy, depression, irritability and an

> inability to cope have at least one out of range hormone result. It isn't

> clear whether restoring hormone balance will lessen these mood symptoms, but

> many men experience some relief from mood disorders when hormone balance is

> restored.

>

>

>

> From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estradiol

>

>

>

> Adverse central nervous system

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_nervous_system> effects include

> headache, migraine <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migraine> , dizziness

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dizziness> , mental depression, chorea

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chorea> , nervousness

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nervousness> /anxiety

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anxiety> , mood

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mood_disturbances> disturbances, irritability

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irritability> , and worsening of epilepsy

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epilepsy> .

>

>

>

> I would suggest getting your estradiol levels checked. If you are above 20,

> you could probably stand to come down a little (even though the top of the

> reference range is something like 56).

>

>

>

> Hope this helps!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> From: [mailto: ]

> On Behalf Of alwal.alwal

> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 9:04 PM

>

> Subject: T-shots and agressive behavior

>

>

>

>

>

> Hey Guys,

>

> I have been on T-shots since early this year. Off late, I have noticed a

> change in my behavior and my wife has pointed that out too. I think that I

> have become more agressive as a person and not in a good way.

>

> For example, I find myself driving agressively quite often. Whenver I

> realize it, I try to correct myself immediately. However, I do think that

> the T-shots have something to do with this change in my behavior.

>

> Any others noticed anything similar? Got any tips on how I can make myself

> less agressive.

>

> Cheers !

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Phil. With your level of knowledge on TRT, I think you are now a honorary

doctor in the area of endocrinology.

Thanks for keeping this forum spam free and an immense source of knowledge and

help to all of us.

>

> > From: alwal.alwal <alwal.alwal@...>

> > Subject: T-shots and agressive behavior

> >

> > Date: Saturday, November 13, 2010, 10:04 PM

> > Hey Guys,

> >

> > I have been on T-shots since early this year. Off late, I

> > have noticed a change in my behavior and my wife has pointed

> > that out too. I think that I have become more agressive as a

> > person and not in a good way.

> >

> > For example, I find myself driving agressively quite often.

> > Whenver I realize it, I try to correct myself immediately.

> > However, I do think that the T-shots have something to do

> > with this change in my behavior.

> >

> > Any others noticed anything similar? Got any tips on how I

> > can make myself less agressive.

> >

> > Cheers !

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

All around the TRT is fantastic for my husband BUT his first symptom of high E2

is bad mood whether it is aggression, cranky or just short tempered. He uses the

Wood-o-Meter and his current mood to gauge any changes needed with his

Arimedex....He believes he is most calm when everything is in balance...he was

his worst with low testosterone very irritable, short tempered and miserable.

Oh and he seems to need to run his E2 lower than most so he tries not drive it

too low so he takes his shot evey 4 days (works better for him)

We know professional bodybuilders that take up to 2000+ testosterone a week

those guys are just plain crazy....they alos slam their E2 down to 0....to get

thinner skin. There is nothing healthy about their bodies. I have even heard of

them taking up to 10,000 a week but still find that impossible to

believe...never know though.

Judy

>

> Hey Guys,

>

> I have been on T-shots since early this year. Off late, I have noticed a

change in my behavior and my wife has pointed that out too. I think that I have

become more agressive as a person and not in a good way.

>

> For example, I find myself driving agressively quite often. Whenver I realize

it, I try to correct myself immediately. However, I do think that the T-shots

have something to do with this change in my behavior.

>

> Any others noticed anything similar? Got any tips on how I can make myself

less agressive.

>

> Cheers !

>

[Guest guest]

I've been on t for about 4 months...and the levels are not regulated so well yet

but I've noticed i'm not as patient as i use to be...I am a bit more aggressive

with my driving...and I feel like i'm acting more " manly " whatever that

means....anyway, I'm enjoying this feeling and I don't feel like its at all a

bad thing...I feel stronger, more assertive, more confident ....it's all good.

Bill

Re: T-shots and agressive behavior

 

Well I've heard of 'Roid rage but never experienced it.

I've been on " T " injections for 3 years and am more laid back and pleasant to be

around than ever.

I was on the lookout for this symptom, but it never happened to me.

With me I used to get crank and irritable when I felt bad and I think I felt bad

because I had low " T " . Once I got that fixed, I felt better and my mood

improved, and I actually became less agressive.

Randy Hoops

Springfield, MO

>

> Hey Guys,

>

> I have been on T-shots since early this year. Off late, I have noticed a

change

>in my behavior and my wife has pointed that out too. I think that I have become

>more agressive as a person and not in a good way.

>

>

> For example, I find myself driving agressively quite often. Whenver I realize

>it, I try to correct myself immediately. However, I do think that the T-shots

>have something to do with this change in my behavior.

>

>

> Any others noticed anything similar? Got any tips on how I can make myself

less

>agressive.

>

>

> Cheers !

>

                       

[Guest guest]

My wife(an RN) and I discussed roid rage last week. She said that it's not

bodybuilders who experience it - it's anyone on steroids like prednisone. She

said that the roid rage is why the titrate the dosage down. We were discussing

it in the context of extremist feminist making the claims that some men show

testosterone poisoning - which is flat out BS.

> >

> > Hey Guys,

> >

> > I have been on T-shots since early this year. Off late, I have noticed a

change in my behavior and my wife has pointed that out too. I think that I have

become more agressive as a person and not in a good way.

> >

> > For example, I find myself driving agressively quite often. Whenver I

realize it, I try to correct myself immediately. However, I do think that the

T-shots have something to do with this change in my behavior.

> >

> > Any others noticed anything similar? Got any tips on how I can make myself

less agressive.

> >

> > Cheers !

> >

>

[Guest guest]

My understanding and my experience is that I'm more likely to have a quick,

nasty temper when I'm LOW on testosterone. In fact, it's a classic symptom. I

wonder if your E is out of whack?

Think about women with PMS - talk about rage!

Q: What's the difference between a rabid dog and a woman with PMS?

A: Not much.

My point is that women experience this rage all the time, and everyone just

laughs it off as part of being a women. It's obvious that the rage is

cycle-dependent, and is due to hormone fluctuation. I suspect that it's the E

that's making them freak out, although I haven't researched it.

Q: What's the difference between a terrorist and a woman with PMS?

A: You can negotiate with a terrorist.

So, I'd suggest you get your E checked out as per Dr. Crisler's protocol.

Jim

>

> Hey Guys,

>

> I have been on T-shots since early this year. Off late, I have noticed a

change in my behavior and my wife has pointed that out too. I think that I have

become more agressive as a person and not in a good way.

>

> For example, I find myself driving agressively quite often. Whenver I realize

it, I try to correct myself immediately. However, I do think that the T-shots

have something to do with this change in my behavior.

>

> Any others noticed anything similar? Got any tips on how I can make myself

less agressive.

>

> Cheers !

>

[Guest guest]

Well Thank you.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: alwal.alwal <alwal.alwal@...>

> Subject: Re: T-shots and agressive behavior

>

> Date: Sunday, November 14, 2010, 2:16 PM

> Thanks Phil. With your level of

> knowledge on TRT, I think you are now a honorary doctor in

> the area of endocrinology.

>

> Thanks for keeping this forum spam free and an immense

> source of knowledge and help to all of us.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > > From: alwal.alwal <alwal.alwal@...>

> > > Subject: T-shots and agressive

> behavior

> > >

> > > Date: Saturday, November 13, 2010, 10:04 PM

> > > Hey Guys,

> > >

> > > I have been on T-shots since early this year. Off

> late, I

> > > have noticed a change in my behavior and my wife

> has pointed

> > > that out too. I think that I have become more

> agressive as a

> > > person and not in a good way.

> > >

> > > For example, I find myself driving agressively

> quite often.

> > > Whenver I realize it, I try to correct myself

> immediately.

> > > However, I do think that the T-shots have

> something to do

> > > with this change in my behavior.

> > >

> > > Any others noticed anything similar? Got any tips

> on how I

> > > can make myself less agressive.

> > >

> > > Cheers !

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >