Guest guest Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 If the water that comes with it won't keep, where can I get water that will? ADC sells 10ml vials of BW, but I read in another post that even though it's labled BW, it's only sterile water, not BW and thus wouldn't keep 30 days? Thanks! Lostone0069 On 1/26/2010 5:04 PM, philip georgian wrote: > > Your better off getting the small HCG 2000IU's from ADC but the water > that comes with it is not going to keep it in the fridge for up to 30 > days. If your going on HCG only you start with 100 IU's / day you can > shoot IM or subQ I like doing IM into my thigh with a small insulin > needle. > > Get the Hucog 2000 IU's you get 10 of them for $80.00. > https://www.alldaychemist.com/1264-h.html > <https://www.alldaychemist.com/1264-h.html> > > You need to by bacteriostatic water to mix it. > https://www.alldaychemist.com/1381-sterile-water-for-injection.html > <https://www.alldaychemist.com/1381-sterile-water-for-injection.html> > This is how your mix it. > ================================ > BTW...the water you need to reconstitute HCG is bacteriostatic water. > > Calculating HCG: > > There isn't a specific ratio of cc/ml to IU. It depends on how you mix > it. It's quite simple. If you dillute 5,000 IUs HCG with 5ml (cc) > solvent, the end result is 1,000 IUs per ml (cc). Divide the same > 5,000 IUs with 10 ml (cc) and the end result is 500 IUs per ml (cc). > Therefore, a large part depends on the concentration of HCG per > ampoule or vial. > > Mixing HCG: > (Items needed: bacwater h20 and some 5ml emty vials-get****). > > 1) Open hcg/amp with powder > 2) Use a syringe to pull out 1cc of BacWater and put in amp with HCG > 3) It will instantly dissolve > 4) Then Use an empty 5ml vial (sterile and sealed) put 4ml of Bacwater > in the vial > 5) Take syringe and ad the mixed HCG solution to the 5ml vial > 6) Shake it and you have 5000IU's of HCG > 7) Than draw 1cc and inject > 8) put the rest in the refrigerator > > •The reason your discarding the amp of solvent cause its made for 1 > times use and you wouldn’t be able to refrigerate it and use it a week > later again. That’s why you need Bac H2o. > •The most common side affect associated with HCG is gynecomastia. The > concurrent intake of Nolvadex with HCG prevents gynecomastia, > prevents/minimizes leydig cell desensitization and contiues the > stimulation of pituitary LH once HCG has been discontinued. > •HCG will last approximately 30 days if mixed with Bac h2o instead of > the solvent it comes with. > •You can keep the mixed hcg in vial or pins In the fridge till use > > Co-Moderator > Phil > > > > > From: <kevinh@... <mailto:kevinh%40garden.net>> > > Subject: Re: Purchasing HCG > > > <mailto: %40> > > Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 4:59 PM > > Several people report that hCG from > > ADC is functionally sound; IMO, no different then buying any > > other generic drug. The hCG that ADC carries is not > > all packaged in multi-use vials, so if that is important to > > you, dig down into the product description. IIRC > > HuCog, Ovidac, and Corion are in vials; each has different > > country of origin. The supplied vials hold about 2.5 - 3 mL > > liquid. > > > > Choose the IU size that best fits into a 30-day or less use > > pattern. Some people like the 2000IU size since it > > gets used up before there is any concern about > > degradation. On the other hand, 5000IU vials may be > > more cost effective. > > > > In the dry state, the hCG will keep for a while. This > > depends upon the lot ADC sends you. A product made > > this month should have a range of 23 months > > shelf-life. Life is only about 30-days once > > reconstituted.; so only mix one vial at a time the day first > > needed - the refrigerate. > > > > No hCG is marketed for subQ use... it is an off label use > > but reported as effective. > > > > Personally, I would get a script from your doctor and have > > no concern ordering from ADC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, so I have come to learn that even if my endo will > > proscribe the hcg > > > for my secondary hypogonadism, my insurance coverage > > makes me pay a $100 > > > co-pay per 30 day supply. > > > > > > Mind you, I can get 50,000IU's of hcg for that same > > price from ADC... > > > from what I've read on here and elsewhere that's WAY > > WAY WAY more than a > > > 30 day supply. > > > > > > It's obviously cheaper if I buy it in the 5 vials of > > 10,000 iu's form > > > rather than just 30 days worth at a time. How > > long does it last dry? > > > How about after I mix it? > > > > > > Or should I buy it in smaller quantities? I > > don't know what dosage I > > > will end up with, but from what I've read here and > > elsewhere, I am > > > assuming somewhere between 250iu-500iu /day. > > > > > > Lastly, this stuff is IM right? Not > > subcutaneous? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > LostOne0069 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 I thought I replyed to this post here is a copy. ======================================= Your better off getting the small HCG 2000IU's from ADC but the water that comes with it is not going to keep it in the fridge for up to 30 days. If your going on HCG only you start with 100 IU's / day you can shoot IM or subQ I like doing IM into my thigh with a small insulin needle. Get the Hucog 2000 IU's you get 10 of them for $80.00. https://www.alldaychemist.com/1264-h.html You need to by bacteriostatic water to mix it. https://www.alldaychemist.com/1381-sterile-water-for-injection.html This is how your mix it. ================================ BTW...the water you need to reconstitute HCG is bacteriostatic water. Calculating HCG: There isn't a specific ratio of cc/ml to IU. It depends on how you mix it. It's quite simple. If you dillute 5,000 IUs HCG with 5ml (cc) solvent, the end result is 1,000 IUs per ml (cc). Divide the same 5,000 IUs with 10 ml (cc) and the end result is 500 IUs per ml (cc). Therefore, a large part depends on the concentration of HCG per ampoule or vial. Mixing HCG: (Items needed: bacwater h20 and some 5ml emty vials-get****). 1) Open hcg/amp with powder 2) Use a syringe to pull out 1cc of BacWater and put in amp with HCG 3) It will instantly dissolve 4) Then Use an empty 5ml vial (sterile and sealed) put 4ml of Bacwater in the vial 5) Take syringe and ad the mixed HCG solution to the 5ml vial 6) Shake it and you have 5000IU's of HCG 7) Than draw 1cc and inject 8) put the rest in the refrigerator •The reason your discarding the amp of solvent cause its made for 1 times use and you wouldn’t be able to refrigerate it and use it a week later again. That’s why you need Bac H2o. •The most common side affect associated with HCG is gynecomastia. The concurrent intake of Nolvadex with HCG prevents gynecomastia, prevents/minimizes leydig cell desensitization and contiues the stimulation of pituitary LH once HCG has been discontinued. •HCG will last approximately 30 days if mixed with Bac h2o instead of the solvent it comes with. •You can keep the mixed hcg in vial or pins In the fridge till use Co-Moderator Phil > From: LostOne0069 <lostone0069@...> > Subject: Purchasing HCG > > Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 3:39 PM > > OK, so I have come to learn that even if my endo will > proscribe the hcg > for my secondary hypogonadism, my insurance coverage makes > me pay a $100 > co-pay per 30 day supply. > > Mind you, I can get 50,000IU's of hcg for that same price > from ADC... > from what I've read on here and elsewhere that's WAY WAY > WAY more than a > 30 day supply. > > It's obviously cheaper if I buy it in the 5 vials of 10,000 > iu's form > rather than just 30 days worth at a time. How long > does it last dry? > How about after I mix it? > > Or should I buy it in smaller quantities? I don't > know what dosage I > will end up with, but from what I've read here and > elsewhere, I am > assuming somewhere between 250iu-500iu /day. > > Lastly, this stuff is IM right? Not subcutaneous? > > Thanks! > > LostOne0069 > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Hi, has anyone tried HMG? supposed to work as well as HCG with less chance of de-senthisizing the testicles. I've also seen it mentioned that you can alternate them... the idea being to avoid de-senthisizing. anybody got a good source? ADC doesn't seem to carry it but they carry so much stuff sometimes it's hard to find how they have it listed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 I've looked for it, but all I can find are references to it that say that it's very expensive. I found a place once that sold it online (can't find the link now) and it was going to be something like $200-$300 per month for treatment. On 1/28/2010 11:57 AM, jbbooks1901 wrote: > > > Hi, > > has anyone tried HMG? > > supposed to work as well as HCG with less chance of de-senthisizing > the testicles. > > I've also seen it mentioned that you can alternate them... the idea > being to avoid de-senthisizing. > > anybody got a good source? ADC doesn't seem to carry it but they carry > so much stuff sometimes it's hard to find how they have it listed. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Why do you want to take this. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > > Hi, > > > > has anyone tried HMG? > > > > supposed to work as well as HCG with less chance of > de-senthisizing > > the testicles. > > > > I've also seen it mentioned that you can alternate > them... the idea > > being to avoid de-senthisizing. > > > > anybody got a good source? ADC doesn't seem to carry > it but they carry > > so much stuff sometimes it's hard to find how they > have it listed. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 I looked into it because my wife and I were trying to have another baby and HMG acts like FSH and increases sperm production. Now, I don't know that I'd even need it as my FSH levels are in the low-normal zone and I have read that many people in that situation respond to just HCG. On 1/28/2010 2:06 PM, philip georgian wrote: > > Why do you want to take this. > Co-Moderator > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > has anyone tried HMG? > > > > > > supposed to work as well as HCG with less chance of > > de-senthisizing > > > the testicles. > > > > > > I've also seen it mentioned that you can alternate > > them... the idea > > > being to avoid de-senthisizing. > > > > > > anybody got a good source? ADC doesn't seem to carry > > it but they carry > > > so much stuff sometimes it's hard to find how they > > have it listed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 There you have it just do HCG even guys that see Dr. are able to make a baby on TRT. I think men that are low do to there testis not working have a hard time making a baby. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > has anyone tried HMG? > > > > > > > > supposed to work as well as HCG with less > chance of > > > de-senthisizing > > > > the testicles. > > > > > > > > I've also seen it mentioned that you can > alternate > > > them... the idea > > > > being to avoid de-senthisizing. > > > > > > > > anybody got a good source? ADC doesn't seem > to carry > > > it but they carry > > > > so much stuff sometimes it's hard to find > how they > > > have it listed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Hi, specifically to avoid de-senthisizing the testes. do hcg 1 week and hmg week 2 etc. > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > has anyone tried HMG? > > > > > > supposed to work as well as HCG with less chance of > > V > > > the testicles. > > > > > > I've also seen it mentioned that you can alternate > > them... the idea > > > being to avoid de-senthisizing. > > > > > > anybody got a good source? ADC doesn't seem to carry > > it but they carry > > > so much stuff sometimes it's hard to find how they > > have it listed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 I don't know many men doing HM and it's hard enough to get a Dr. to give someone HG let alone HM. I hear of men on HM but never heard them talk about how good it was working for them. Co-Moderator Phil > From: jbbooks1901 <jbbooks1901@...> > Subject: Re: Purchasing HCG > > Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 4:34 AM > > Hi, > > specifically to avoid de-senthisizing the testes. > > do hcg 1 week and hmg week 2 etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > has anyone tried HMG? > > > > > > > > supposed to work as well as HCG with less > chance of > > > V > > > > the testicles. > > > > > > > > I've also seen it mentioned that you can > alternate > > > them... the idea > > > > being to avoid de-senthisizing. > > > > > > > > anybody got a good source? ADC doesn't seem > to carry > > > it but they carry > > > > so much stuff sometimes it's hard to find > how they > > > have it listed. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Interesting statement. I was under the impression that as long as you stayed below 500iu per day that you didn't run into desensitizing problems with HCG. Is this incorrect? On 1/31/2010 4:34 AM, jbbooks1901 wrote: > > > Hi, > > specifically to avoid de-senthisizing the testes. > > do hcg 1 week and hmg week 2 etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > has anyone tried HMG? > > > > > > > > supposed to work as well as HCG with less chance of > > > V > > > > the testicles. > > > > > > > > I've also seen it mentioned that you can alternate > > > them... the idea > > > > being to avoid de-senthisizing. > > > > > > > > anybody got a good source? ADC doesn't seem to carry > > > it but they carry > > > > so much stuff sometimes it's hard to find how they > > > have it listed. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 Has anyone purchased HCG from canadaescrow pharmacy w/o a prescription. If so can any feedback on the product and service. Any other places to work with when you can't get the support of a DR. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 You can allways go to the best place to get HCG,, thats ADC On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 12:34 PM, greytax <no_reply > wrote: > > > Has anyone purchased HCG from canadaescrow pharmacy w/o a prescription. If > so can any feedback on the product and service. Any other places to work > with when you can't get the support of a DR. > > thanks > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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