Guest guest Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 As a woman you will want e2 but in specific ratio to progesterone. there needs to be alot more data inorder to commment. We had a female patient on 10% T cream from another dr and her TT was 1100. She did not have androgenic symptoms or anytthing, just very tired. We pulled her off it and let her body rebalance on its own. When all said and done she had low dhea and thyroid had taken a beating. Since dhea increases testoterone in women this is always first approach. It took over 9 months to get her hormones stablize and her feeling well again. She was on thyroid for a short amount of time but after the testoserone cleared her system and tissues healed (taking 6 months or longer) she started to go hyper thyroid. Thyroid was discontinued and she is just on DHEA after all that hell she was put through. So alot of information needs to be presented inorder to get a really good picture of what is going on. All females HRT patients get 2/16 ratio completed because we have found women with low thyroid have higher rate of altered ratio and this needs to be taken into consideration when dealing with hormones. > > Hi Phil, > > Since I spoke with you a week or so ago I've received my DIM in the mail. I also found that my first Dr. had me on the .50ml T shots and that my new Dr. had reduced the dose to .05ml. So I guess for a female the .5 was too much. I felt great! but the cramping must have been the T converting to the E. So, I have lowered my dose over these few weeks to where I am currently at .10 for my dose this week. The cramping is not as bad but is still occasionally present. I can also tell that my libido is not as strong either. I wondered if you could shed some light on what might be happening. Do you think I'm doing the right thing by decreasing my T down?? and Do you feel that I should still taking the DIM. Will it help in my current situation? I'm so confused as to what I should be doing to get the libido good without having the cramping present. > > Thanks! > > I also noticed Hard is on a bit these days...maybe he can comment. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Thanks for commenting.  When I was on the 50mg of T my level was at 21.7(0.0-2.2). I was feeling pretty good but then started having issues with achiness and a little more hair growth on my body and hair loss on the head. This is when i switched to my current Dr.  He dropped the Tdown but ever since these labs done in November I've also had problems with the cramping. But, now since I have dropped the T down I feel much better, the cramping is minimal but I feel the libido slipping a little as well.  I know it's quite the balancing act to get the hormones aligned just right. I think one of my problems is that I am on T3(Cytomel) only. I know it in itself raises SHBG and then with the high T I'm sure I was converting to E. I am currently taking 1.5mg oral Estradiol and 400mg of oral Progesterone. I took Dhea in the past but it caused terrible bloating...not sure why, but I no longer take it...maybe I should try again.  This was back when I was also on HC for crashed adrenals. My adrenals are now ok and my thyroid I dose four times through the day....temps are perfect now. My last labs done with my high T level were 79.5 for my Estradiol (43.8-211.0) and my Progesterone was 14.7 (1.7-27.0). I continue to have problems with my weight--could stand to lose about 25lbs...exercise regularly.  And I just found out yesterday that I have tested positive for early rheumatiod athritis and possibly some mixed tissue disorder. Most likely will start on Plaquenil...awaiting Dr's. phone call today for more instrucion.  From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> Subject: Re: Got DIM Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 10:13 AM  As a woman you will want e2 but in specific ratio to progesterone. there needs to be alot more data inorder to commment. We had a female patient on 10% T cream from another dr and her TT was 1100. She did not have androgenic symptoms or anytthing, just very tired. We pulled her off it and let her body rebalance on its own. When all said and done she had low dhea and thyroid had taken a beating. Since dhea increases testoterone in women this is always first approach. It took over 9 months to get her hormones stablize and her feeling well again. She was on thyroid for a short amount of time but after the testoserone cleared her system and tissues healed (taking 6 months or longer) she started to go hyper thyroid. Thyroid was discontinued and she is just on DHEA after all that hell she was put through. So alot of information needs to be presented inorder to get a really good picture of what is going on. All females HRT patients get 2/16 ratio completed because we have found women with low thyroid have higher rate of altered ratio and this needs to be taken into consideration when dealing with hormones. > > Hi Phil, > > Since I spoke with you a week or so ago I've received my DIM in the mail. I also found that my first Dr. had me on the .50ml T shots and that my new Dr. had reduced the dose to .05ml. So I guess for a female the .5 was too much. I felt great! but the cramping must have been the T converting to the E. So, I have lowered my dose over these few weeks to where I am currently at .10 for my dose this week. The cramping is not as bad but is still occasionally present. I can also tell that my libido is not as strong either. I wondered if you could shed some light on what might be happening. Do you think I'm doing the right thing by decreasing my T down?? and Do you feel that I should still taking the DIM. Will it help in my current situation? I'm so confused as to what I should be doing to get the libido good without having the cramping present. > > Thanks! > > I also noticed Hard is on a bit these days...maybe he can comment. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 You are one metabolic mess that needs to be chunked down start from scratch. With out seeing all the data on paper infront of me I would not know where to even begin. There are just to many unanswered questions. Right now you it appears you are just through stuff against the wall waiting to see what is going to stick. Dhea with progeserone will cause bloated due to impact on adrenals and other hormonal casacade. This mess seems something that Dr linder would have created and left some one else to clean up his mess as I had to do many times in the past. A dr that puts a woman on 5o mgs of testoteorne should have his licensce revoked and reported to the medical board. > > > > Hi Phil, > > > > Since I spoke with you a week or so ago I've received my DIM in the mail. I also found that my first Dr. had me on the .50ml T shots and that my new Dr. had reduced the dose to .05ml. So I guess for a female the .5 was too much. I felt great! but the cramping must have been the T converting to the E. So, I have lowered my dose over these few weeks to where I am currently at .10 for my dose this week. The cramping is not as bad but is still occasionally present. I can also tell that my libido is not as strong either. I wondered if you could shed some light on what might be happening. Do you think I'm doing the right thing by decreasing my T down?? and Do you feel that I should still taking the DIM. Will it help in my current situation? I'm so confused as to what I should be doing to get the libido good without having the cramping present. > > > > Thanks! > > > > I also noticed Hard is on a bit these days...maybe he can comment. > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Well I agree about the high T dose...that's why I don't go to him any more.  I do think my current Dr. knows what he is doing.  I have not called to talk with him regarding this cramping I'm having. I just figured it was due to the high T that I have come down on and that my body needs to catch up, eliminate the excess T and allow the E to calm down as well.  I'm 52, been meno for six years...no bleeding.  I have done so much on my own it seems in the past six years trying to get well again. I've seen so many different Dr.'s. But, I do feel the best I have in years...just trying to get the hormones straight now.  I guess since I do trust him I need to call and see if he will re-test everything as it stands at present. Then maybe I'll know what direction to move next.  From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> Subject: Re: Got DIM Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 10:51 AM  You are one metabolic mess that needs to be chunked down start from scratch. With out seeing all the data on paper infront of me I would not know where to even begin. There are just to many unanswered questions. Right now you it appears you are just through stuff against the wall waiting to see what is going to stick. Dhea with progeserone will cause bloated due to impact on adrenals and other hormonal casacade. This mess seems something that Dr linder would have created and left some one else to clean up his mess as I had to do many times in the past. A dr that puts a woman on 5o mgs of testoteorne should have his licensce revoked and reported to the medical board. > > > > Hi Phil, > > > > Since I spoke with you a week or so ago I've received my DIM in the mail. I also found that my first Dr. had me on the .50ml T shots and that my new Dr. had reduced the dose to .05ml. So I guess for a female the .5 was too much. I felt great! but the cramping must have been the T converting to the E. So, I have lowered my dose over these few weeks to where I am currently at .10 for my dose this week. The cramping is not as bad but is still occasionally present. I can also tell that my libido is not as strong either. I wondered if you could shed some light on what might be happening. Do you think I'm doing the right thing by decreasing my T down?? and Do you feel that I should still taking the DIM. Will it help in my current situation? I'm so confused as to what I should be doing to get the libido good without having the cramping present. > > > > Thanks! > > > > I also noticed Hard is on a bit these days...maybe he can comment. > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Agree with HANS - 50mg Test for a woman is WAY TOO MUCH - female bodybuilders takes doses like that NOT a woman on HRT/TRT - my wife (for example) takes 0.5 mg/ml test cream 2x/day in addition to her Prog/E2/E3 cream > > > > > > Hi Phil, > > > > > > Since I spoke with you a week or so ago I've received my DIM in the mail. I also found that my first Dr. had me on the .50ml T shots and that my new Dr. had reduced the dose to .05ml. So I guess for a female the .5 was too much. I felt great! but the cramping must have been the T converting to the E. So, I have lowered my dose over these few weeks to where I am currently at .10 for my dose this week. The cramping is not as bad but is still occasionally present. I can also tell that my libido is not as strong either. I wondered if you could shed some light on what might be happening. Do you think I'm doing the right thing by decreasing my T down?? and Do you feel that I should still taking the DIM. Will it help in my current situation? I'm so confused as to what I should be doing to get the libido good without having the cramping present. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > I also noticed Hard is on a bit these days...maybe he can comment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Yes I hope Hard posts to your we talked about you some time ago if he missed your post send him an Email. Your going to need to level off at a lower level for your testosterone levels then as your body stabilizes see then how your feel. The body does not like change and reacts to it in defense trying to fix the change. Yes I feel you would to good trying the DIM if you feel off on it stop it. hardasnails1973@... Co-Moderator Phil > From: <cinkourk@...> > Subject: Got DIM > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 10:45 AM > Hi Phil, > > Since I spoke with you a week or so ago I've received my > DIM in the mail. I also found that my first > Dr. had me on the .50ml T shots and that my new Dr. had > reduced the dose to .05ml. So I guess for a > female the .5 was too much. I felt great! > but the cramping must have been the T converting to the > E. So, I have lowered my dose over these few weeks to > where I am currently at .10 for my dose this > week. The cramping is not as bad but is > still occasionally present. I can also tell that my > libido is not as strong either. I wondered > if you could shed some light on what might be > happening. Do you think I'm doing the right thing by > decreasing my T down?? and Do you feel that I should still > taking the DIM. Will it help in my current > situation? I'm so confused as to what I should be > doing to get the libido good without having the cramping > present. > > Thanks! > > I also noticed Hard is on a bit these days...maybe he can > comment. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Once you lower the dosage depending on how long you have been on it 50 mgs of T can take any where from 3-6 months to actually stabilize your system. I am glad you feel confident in dr this is what is important in proper healing. Dr's should be willing to work with their patients not against them. Me dr you patient approach really rubs people the wrong way. Surprising being open minded Dr overbeck and I have learned alot from our patients which has helped others as well. > > > > > > Hi Phil, > > > > > > Since I spoke with you a week or so ago I've received my DIM in the mail. I also found that my first Dr. had me on the .50ml T shots and that my new Dr. had reduced the dose to .05ml. So I guess for a female the .5 was too much. I felt great! but the cramping must have been the T converting to the E. So, I have lowered my dose over these few weeks to where I am currently at .10 for my dose this week. The cramping is not as bad but is still occasionally present. I can also tell that my libido is not as strong either. I wondered if you could shed some light on what might be happening. Do you think I'm doing the right thing by decreasing my T down?? and Do you feel that I should still taking the DIM. Will it help in my current situation? I'm so confused as to what I should be doing to get the libido good without having the cramping present. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > I also noticed Hard is on a bit these days...maybe he can comment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 I was only on the high dose for only a short time. It's now been almost three month off the high dose.  This week I will be down to .05ml. I think I'll stay there for awhile. Let old T clear and see how things go, give everything some time to readjust after the huge jolt. My new Dr. has been very helpful. He is very open to learning and has always been open to most suggestions. He is all about the patient feeling good....not Me Dr., you patient at all. I wish more took this approach. I've learned a ton of imformation these past few years on my own and it is amazing how some Dr.'s can be so arrogant. I've run across several in my ventures....those are the ones that you leave and never return.  Thanks again for all of the help. My mind is much more at ease right now.  From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> Subject: Re: Got DIM Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 12:07 PM  Once you lower the dosage depending on how long you have been on it 50 mgs of T can take any where from 3-6 months to actually stabilize your system. I am glad you feel confident in dr this is what is important in proper healing. Dr's should be willing to work with their patients not against them. Me dr you patient approach really rubs people the wrong way. Surprising being open minded Dr overbeck and I have learned alot from our patients which has helped others as well. > > > > > > Hi Phil, > > > > > > Since I spoke with you a week or so ago I've received my DIM in the mail. I also found that my first Dr. had me on the .50ml T shots and that my new Dr. had reduced the dose to .05ml. So I guess for a female the .5 was too much. I felt great! but the cramping must have been the T converting to the E. So, I have lowered my dose over these few weeks to where I am currently at .10 for my dose this week. The cramping is not as bad but is still occasionally present. I can also tell that my libido is not as strong either. I wondered if you could shed some light on what might be happening. Do you think I'm doing the right thing by decreasing my T down?? and Do you feel that I should still taking the DIM. Will it help in my current situation? I'm so confused as to what I should be doing to get the libido good without having the cramping present. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > I also noticed Hard is on a bit these days...maybe he can comment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 when you say " I have done so much on my own it seems in the past six years trying to get well again. " your not alone both Hard and myself have been down this road because we could not find a Dr. up on all this. Hard dose this for a living and still takes the time to help others on the forums. I do this because I hate to see anyone go down that long hard road I had to go down. But there comes a time when you need help from the right kind of Dr. I can't tell you how many times I talk to people that are a mess trying to fix them self's. I was lucky every think I did I ran past a Dr. if he looked like he was not up on it I found one that was. Now I am having to find a new Dr. again it never ends. Co-Moderator Phil > > > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> > Subject: Re: Got DIM > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 10:51 AM > > > > > > > You are one metabolic mess that needs to be chunked down > start from scratch. With out seeing all the data on paper > infront of me I would not know where to even begin. There > are just to many unanswered questions. Right now you it > appears you are just through stuff against the wall waiting > to see what is going to stick. Dhea with progeserone will > cause bloated due to impact on adrenals and other hormonal > casacade. This mess seems something that Dr linder would > have created and left some one else to clean up his mess as > I had to do many times in the past. A dr that puts a woman > on 5o mgs of testoteorne should have his licensce revoked > and reported to the medical board. > > > > > > > > Hi Phil, > > > > > > Since I spoke with you a week or so ago I've > received my DIM in the mail. I also found that my first Dr. > had me on the .50ml T shots and that my new Dr. had reduced > the dose to .05ml. So I guess for a female the .5 was too > much. I felt great! but the cramping must have been the T > converting to the E. So, I have lowered my dose over these > few weeks to where I am currently at .10 for my dose this > week. The cramping is not as bad but is still occasionally > present. I can also tell that my libido is not as strong > either. I wondered if you could shed some light on what > might be happening. Do you think I'm doing the right thing > by decreasing my T down?? and Do you feel that I should > still taking the DIM. Will it help in my current situation? > I'm so confused as to what I should be doing to get the > libido good without having the cramping present. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > I also noticed Hard is on a bit these > days...maybe he can comment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Thanks Phil.   I am down to .05ml of T now and going to hang here awhile.  Hard did respond and says the same as you....that it takes awhile to clear out of the system.  I'm going to chill where I am for another good month then get labs again. Thanks so much for the help, being female and all...it's appreciated. > From: <cinkourk@...> > Subject: Got DIM > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 10:45 AM > Hi Phil, > > Since I spoke with you a week or so ago I've received my > DIM in the mail.   I also found that my first > Dr. had me on the .50ml T shots and that my new Dr. had > reduced the dose to .05ml.   So I guess for a > female the .5 was too much.   I felt great! > but the cramping must have been the T converting to the > E. So, I have lowered my dose over these few weeks to > where I am currently at .10 for my dose this > week.   The cramping is not as bad but is > still occasionally present. I can also tell that my > libido is not as strong either.   I wondered > if you could shed some light on what might be > happening. Do you think I'm doing the right thing by > decreasing my T down?? and Do you feel that I should still > taking the DIM. Will it help in my current > situation? I'm so confused as to what I should be > doing to get the libido good without having the cramping > present. > > Thanks! > > I also noticed Hard is on a bit these days...maybe he can > comment. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 I pray we helped time will tell still try the DIM ask Hard he loves it. Co-Moderator Phil > > > From: <cinkourk@...> > > Subject: Got DIM > > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 10:45 AM > > Hi Phil, > > > > Since I spoke with you a week or so ago I've received > my > > DIM in the mail. I also found that my first > > Dr. had me on the .50ml T shots and that my new Dr. > had > > reduced the dose to .05ml. So I guess for a > > female the .5 was too much. I felt great! > > but the cramping must have been the T converting to > the > > E. So, I have lowered my dose over these few weeks > to > > where I am currently at .10 for my dose this > > week. The cramping is not as bad but is > > still occasionally present. I can also tell that my > > libido is not as strong either. I wondered > > if you could shed some light on what might be > > happening. Do you think I'm doing the right thing > by > > decreasing my T down?? and Do you feel that I should > still > > taking the DIM. Will it help in my current > > situation? I'm so confused as to what I should be > > doing to get the libido good without having the > cramping > > present. > > > > Thanks! > > > > I also noticed Hard is on a bit these days...maybe he > can > > comment. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 You have been a tremendous help!!  It's difficult to find the right Dr. first off, and then to find other individuals with the same problems that you can chat with and help...it's very appreciated. I know people like you, Hard and Val are a Godsend to people like myself. I know that I'm in my fifities but few years back I felt eighty and had it not been for people like yourself helping others I would still be sick. I am a very energetic type of person that got knocked down hard.  God knows I went to enough Drs. trying to get help. It's such a scam that you can go to a Dr. knowing all well that you should not be feeling this way at this age only to be told that there is nothing wrong...the labs levels are fine. Just go home and exercise....It's terrible.  Lab levels are fine??what about how I'm feeling?? Your group was suggested by someone from Val's group.  Said it was mainly for men but to ask you and that you could most likely help, and you have.  I will give the DIM a try. Can you please give me a starting dose?? and maybe tell me what I should expect as far as dosing up or down or maintaining.  Thanks!  > > > From: <cinkourk@...> > > Subject: Got DIM > > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 10:45 AM > > Hi Phil, > > > > Since I spoke with you a week or so ago I've received > my > > DIM in the mail.   I also found that my first > > Dr. had me on the .50ml T shots and that my new Dr. > had > > reduced the dose to .05ml.   So I guess for a > > female the .5 was too much.   I felt great! > > but the cramping must have been the T converting to > the > > E. So, I have lowered my dose over these few weeks > to > > where I am currently at .10 for my dose this > > week.   The cramping is not as bad but is > > still occasionally present. I can also tell that my > > libido is not as strong either.   I wondered > > if you could shed some light on what might be > > happening. Do you think I'm doing the right thing > by > > decreasing my T down?? and Do you feel that I should > still > > taking the DIM. Will it help in my current > > situation? I'm so confused as to what I should be > > doing to get the libido good without having the > cramping > > present. > > > > Thanks! > > > > I also noticed Hard is on a bit these days...maybe he > can > > comment. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Val does have some good information, but she has put some people in severe jeopady as well. 2 people I got a desperate Pm and then i gave them my number because it was a good freind of my clients. They almost commited suicide which I went out of my way to intervine with to set them straight and to get them to ER room. Alot of people on the thyroid forums have other underlying issues that they need to deal with first instead of blaming it on thyroid or hormones. I have seen several from the forums and as i said alot of them have been abused in relationships playing " poor me " all the time. When I dug deeper they where just to blame as much as their signficant other. Still to this day they are living in denile of what a true contributing factor. When ever you mention counseling you get panty raided. I stop going over there because it was a waste of my time. The reason I love dim is because I got genetically tested with a mutation in the cyp1a1 and cyp1ba1 which dim off sets. Dim can also increase progesterone so you need to be on the look out for that. In women with hormone issues I start them on MACA or estroven before any horones. Many have had a great response from it. > > > > > From: <cinkourk@...> > > > Subject: Got DIM > > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 10:45 AM > > > Hi Phil, > > > > > > Since I spoke with you a week or so ago I've received > > my > > > DIM in the mail.   I also found that my first > > > Dr. had me on the .50ml T shots and that my new Dr. > > had > > > reduced the dose to .05ml.   So I guess for a > > > female the .5 was too much.   I felt great! > > > but the cramping must have been the T converting to > > the > > > E. So, I have lowered my dose over these few weeks > > to > > > where I am currently at .10 for my dose this > > > week.   The cramping is not as bad but is > > > still occasionally present. I can also tell that my > > > libido is not as strong either.   I wondered > > > if you could shed some light on what might be > > > happening. Do you think I'm doing the right thing > > by > > > decreasing my T down?? and Do you feel that I should > > still > > > taking the DIM. Will it help in my current > > > situation? I'm so confused as to what I should be > > > doing to get the libido good without having the > > cramping > > > present. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > I also noticed Hard is on a bit these days...maybe he > > can > > > comment. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 So, Can one still try/use MACA while currently on HRT?  From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> Subject: Re: Got DIM Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 1:02 PM  Val does have some good information, but she has put some people in severe jeopady as well. 2 people I got a desperate Pm and then i gave them my number because it was a good freind of my clients. They almost commited suicide which I went out of my way to intervine with to set them straight and to get them to ER room. Alot of people on the thyroid forums have other underlying issues that they need to deal with first instead of blaming it on thyroid or hormones. I have seen several from the forums and as i said alot of them have been abused in relationships playing " poor me " all the time. When I dug deeper they where just to blame as much as their signficant other. Still to this day they are living in denile of what a true contributing factor. When ever you mention counseling you get panty raided. I stop going over there because it was a waste of my time. The reason I love dim is because I got genetically tested with a mutation in the cyp1a1 and cyp1ba1 which dim off sets. Dim can also increase progesterone so you need to be on the look out for that. In women with hormone issues I start them on MACA or estroven before any horones. Many have had a great response from it. > > > > > From: <cinkourk@...> > > > Subject: Got DIM > > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 10:45 AM > > > Hi Phil, > > > > > > Since I spoke with you a week or so ago I've received > > my > > > DIM in the mail.   I also found that my first > > > Dr. had me on the .50ml T shots and that my new Dr. > > had > > > reduced the dose to .05ml.   So I guess for a > > > female the .5 was too much.   I felt great! > > > but the cramping must have been the T converting to > > the > > > E. So, I have lowered my dose over these few weeks > > to > > > where I am currently at .10 for my dose this > > > week.   The cramping is not as bad but is > > > still occasionally present. I can also tell that my > > > libido is not as strong either.   I wondered > > > if you could shed some light on what might be > > > happening. Do you think I'm doing the right thing > > by > > > decreasing my T down?? and Do you feel that I should > > still > > > taking the DIM. Will it help in my current > > > situation? I'm so confused as to what I should be > > > doing to get the libido good without having the > > cramping > > > present. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > I also noticed Hard is on a bit these days...maybe he > > can > > > comment. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 If it a supplement and works slow but steady. When I used it I took it at dinner time because Estraidol levels peak at night with your sleeping. Here are some things said on lables. ==================================================== EstroBalance women's formula is a safe, natural formula containing DIM from Indolplex. For DIM (diindolylmethane) to affect hormone balance, it must be specially processed, so this unique formula is designed for easy absorption by the body. You'd have to eat at least two pounds of raw broccoli to obtain the benefits of DIM that you receive from just one daily dose of EstroBalance! Hormone levels affect your body in many ways resulting in: fatigue, menstrual cramps, mood swings, difficulty losing weight, and occasional PMS. EstroBalance with DIM promotes:Natural support for estrogen balance and efficient fat metabolismBreast wellness and healthy cell developmentMany women today have high estrogen levels due to stress, diet and environmental exposure to estrogen-like materials. These high levels, known as estrogen dominance, can disrupt the estrogen-progesterone ratio, which increases your need for hormone balance. --------------------------------------------------- Estrogen Metabolism Support for Women and Men from Energetic Nutrition Availability: In Stock Order by 3pm and it ships today (M-F) PRODUCT DESCRIPTION PRICE QTY DIMPRO 120 caps Retail $44.95 - Save $15.95 $ 29.00 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Made with Bio-Response's patented enhanced absorption formula. This is not your ordinary DIM! Enhanced Absorption: The absorption of our DIMPRO is superior to regular diindolylmethane and its unstable precursor, indole-3-carbinol (l3C) due to the patented complex from BioResponse. BioResponse DIM insures that you will get a stabilized dose and consistent benefit from each capsule. Product Info Absorption of DIM Research Supplement Facts Suggested Use Benefits of DIM DIM promotes beneficial estrogen metabolism and healthy hormonal balance1,2,3. This optimizes the ratio of estrogen metabolites that is crucial for breast3, uterine4, cervical5, and prostate6 health. Women and men also use DIM as an integral part of succesful weight management programs. DIMâ„¢ is a naturally occurring phytonutrient that is found in cruciferous vegetables. Though discovered over ten years ago, the connection between plant-derived dietary ingredients and estrogen metabolism are just now beginning to be understood. Research has shown that DIM has the ability to act as an estrogen balancer (sometimes referred to as an estrogen blocker) in both women and men. It can be used by those addressing estrogen dominance problems and seeking to reduce conditions such as uterine fibroid tumors, fibrocystic breasts, and other women's fibrosis related conditions. Energetic Lifestyle Educational Audio Series Topic: Hormone Balance in Women and Men Featuring: Nutritionist Janelle Deeds DIM in its pure crystalline form requires an absorption enhanced delivery system for use in dietary supplements. Therefore, Energetic Nutrition has chosen to use Dr. Zeligs' BioResponse DIM under the name DIMPRO with a patented absorption enhanced formula in order to bring you the highest quality product we could find. Dr. Zeligs not only suggests DIM for balancing women's hormones, he also recommends DIM for the symptoms of hormonal imbalance in men, such as weight gain, hair loss, and prostate enlargement. A balance of hormones can help bring the health advantages all of us would like to achieve: Promotes healthy estrogen metabolism Protects against conditions related to estrogen dominance Protects against cancer, heart disease Promotes fat loss, healthy skin and bones Supports healthy prostate tissue in men -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How DIM Works The dietary use of micronutrients found in plants, which are also known as phytochemicals, encompasses what we now know as Phytonutrition. The phytochemical DIM (diindolylmethane) that naturally occurs in broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, and Brussels sprouts has been shown to increase the regulation of hormone metabolism. The plant indoles in these cruciferous vegetables promote health and scientists have discovered that adding these plants to the diets of animals could prevent certain forms of cancer. DIM is more biologically active than other indoles found in the cruciferous vegetable family. Supplementing with Dim can help overcome the need to eat 3 pounds of broccoli per day and can effectively shift the balance of sex hormones. “An optimal estrogen balance has implications for cancer prevention and successful aging in both women and men,†according to Dr. Zeligs, M.D., co-author of the “All About DIM†book. DIM can help increase the specific aerobic metabolism for estrogen, multiplying the chance for estrogen to be broken down into its beneficial or " good " estrogen metabolites. Many of the benefits that are attributed to estrogen, which includes its ability to protect the heart and brain with its antioxidant activity, are now known to come from these " good " metabolites. A slow metabolism of estrogen can result in too much active estrogen known as estradiol in the body; this can be problematic for both sexes. In women, elevated estradiol levels have been shown to cause weight gain (waist, thighs, hips), moodiness, and breast pain. Men tend to suffer from weight gain, loss of sex drive, prostate enlargement, and male patterned baldness, to name a few. When supplemental DIM increases the ‘good’ estrogen metabolites that are known to be antioxidants, there is a simultaneous reduction in the levels of undesirable or ‘bad’ estrogen metabolites which are not antioxidants and can actually cause cancer. Taking DIM not only promotes healthy estrogen metabolism, it can also promote a more desirable action from testosterone. “Testosterone supports energy and mood and helps sustain interest in sex for both men and womenâ€, according to Dr. Zeligs. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What Is Estrogen Dominance? Many women in their twenties, mid thirties through forties, and even women who are menopausal can be overloaded with estrogen. At the same time they may be suffering from a deficiency of progesterone due to a severe drop in the body’s production, which leads to insufficient progesterone to counteract the amount of estrogen in the body. It is most noticeable among peri-menopausal women who do not ovulate, which is quite common. You may have a fairly normal cycle, but no egg is released and very little progesterone is produced. Even if a woman has low estrogen levels, she can have symptoms of estrogen dominance, because she may have little or no progesterone. However, estrogen dominance can be caused by more than the body’s production of hormones. For example Stress Obesity Poor liver function Birth control pills Hormone replacement therapy (HRT) Environmental and plant estrogens Peri-menopause and glandular dysfunction The end result of an imbalance between estrogen in relation to progesterone adds up to a condition Dr. Lee has termed “estrogen dominance.†Dr. Lee’s books, What Your Doctor May NOT Tell You About Premenopause and What Your Doctor May NOT Tell You About Menopause explains this and more, in-depth. These books are available on our website. Men can benefit from taking DIM, as they too can suffer from estrogen dominance. Estrogens from plants and environmental sources, also known as xenoestrogens, produce hormonal stimuli that can contribute to inappropriate growth of mammary tissue cells, resulting in a problem society is calling “man boobs.†Some theorize that estrogen dominance in men is also contributing to: Hair loss Atherosclerosis Prostate problems Lowered libido Weight gain Impotency Therefore, both women and men who are suffering from estrogen dominance can benefit from taking an estrogen metabolizer such as DIM that can help bring hormones back into balance. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DIM and Estrogen Receptor Tumor Growth DIM has a unique ability to affect estrogen metabolism, as mentioned above. Normally, estrogen metabolizes along one of two very distinct pathways, one pathway leads to tumor growth, and the second leads to tumor suppression. One physician hypothesizes that this second pathway may prevent estrogen from entering certain cellular receptor sites causing tumor growth. As DIM works to regulate hormones by increasing the body’s production of healthy estrogen by decreasing the undesirable forms, cells are protected and tumor growth is inhibited. It is important to remember that there are different forms of the three main estrogens that are important to women and they are estradiol, estrone, and estriol. Research involving DIM has identified two good estrogens, 2-hydroxy estradiol and 2-hydroxy estrone. These are the antioxidants of the estrogen world and induce the self-destruction of tumor cells. When these two estrogens are low, tumor growth is more likely to occur. DIM increases the body’s production of these healthy estrogens. Supplementing with DIM helps reduce the estrogen metabolites now known to be responsible for the cancer initiating and cancer promoting effects of estrogen by lowering the two bad forms, 16-hydroxy estrone and 4-hydroxy estrone, which are linked to tumor growth. These so called “bad†estrogens can have a negative impact by allowing oxidation of cells, damage of DNA, and the promotion of cancer. It can be said that DIM interferes with cells that are prone to divide and grow in the presence of these two particular forms of estrogen. In short, DIM increases the good estrogens, and decreases the bad estrogens. Some refer to this action as being an " estrogen blocker " , but that isn't technically the proper term. Research suggests DIM may reduce the risk of breast, uterine, cervical, and prostate cancers. These cancers are estrogen related and that is why it is so important to reduce estrogen dominance in both women and men. The following chart demonstrates how estrogen is metabolized into its beneficial forms: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DIM and Women For women, estrogen is a good thing when metabolized correctly. It improves mood, memory, assists with overall function, and lowers the risk of breast and uterine cancer, all of which are associated with estrogen dominance, as mentioned above. Furthermore, properly metabolized estrogen can also produce beneficial effects from testosterone which helps support moods, as well as libido and energy. In menstruating women, estrogen may not be metabolized due to many different factors, such as stress, diet, poor liver function, obesity, xenoestrogens from environmental chemicals, and pesticide residues in food. DIM’s conversion of unhealthy estrogen metabolites into the beneficial forms will not only help protect against hormone related cancers, it can also help with the symptoms associated with hormonal imbalance, including PMS, as suggested by Dr. Zeligs. In premenopausal women, the first age-related hormonal imbalance involves a decreased production of progesterone. This reduction in progesterone output during the second half of the menstrual cycle, can cause irregular periods and contribute to premenstrual mood disorders. The “good estrogen†metabolites stimulate increased progesterone production from ovarian cells. Hormonal imbalances in premenopausal women can also be attributed to the same factors as menstruating women listed above. Another cause of hormone imbalance in menstruating and premenopausal women is birth control pills. Taking DIM can have a balancing effect benefiting disorders and symptoms associated with estrogen-progesterone imbalance, including but not limited to: Fibrocystic diseases Fibromyalgia Endometriosis Uterine fibroid tumors Ovarian cysts Irregular periods Chronic, recurring breast pain PCOS (polycystic ovaries syndrome) In Menopausal women with prolonged exposure to Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT), DIM can help decrease estrogen-related breast cancer and other estrogen related disorders. It was once believed that women who are menopausal/postmenopausal have low levels of estrogen. However, this may no longer be the case. While it may be true that women in this phase of life are no longer producing as much estrogen as they did in prior years, many are still remaining estrogen dominant due to the long term use of hormone replacement therapies, exposure to environmental estrogens, obesity, poor liver function, and declining progesterone production. DIM supplementation is an effective means to insure positive estrogen metabolism, especially for those who are or have used long term HRT, as it can provide a margin of safety while reducing the negative consequences of “bad†estrogen metabolites. DIM is generally recommended for those who are menstruating (early thirties), premenopausal (mid-thirties on) with high estrogen levels. Menopausal women using HRT, as mentioned above can also use DIM to help counter balance the negative effects associated with this type of hormone therapy. Menopausal women who are not using HRT can use Myomin which is a Chinese herbal formula that can help reduce excess estrogen, as well. This product is not as strong of a metabolizer as DIM and is often suggested for those who are menopausal to post-menopausal because they are not producing as much natural estrogen. Myomin and DIM can also be used safely by women in their twenties and thirties. Because DIM has actions that differ from Myomin, many women who are not menopausal choose to take them both for a more aggressive approach. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DIM and Men Dim can also benefit men by improving estrogen-dominance related health issues such as hair loss, atherosclerosis, prostate problems, lowered libido, man boobs, and impotency. German Researchers have documented a correlation between age related accumulations of estrogen in human prostate glands with the presence of benign prostate enlargement. This research suggests the role of estrogen as a growth promoting hormone in men, as well as women. Dr. Zeligs states, “the accumulation of this particular hormone is indicative of male ‘andropause’. Increased PSA (prostate specific antigen) production was shown to be specifically inhibited by 2-methoxyestradiol, the beneficial form of estrogen metabolites, which is promoted by DIM.†Therefore, supplementing with DIM is the ideal way for men to get rid of unwanted estrogen, as too much estrogen not only leads to prostate problems, it can also lessen the action of testosterone. DIM works by promoting more “free†testosterone that can help maximize the body’s response to weight training and dramatically changes the fat-burning ability of men. When a man is estrogen dominant, the body produces a protein that testosterone can bind to, and then it is no longer considered to be in its “free†beneficial form; bound testosterone can have undesirable effects similar to that of excess estrogen. For example, low libido, excess weight gain, impotence, and depression. Scientific studies have shown that high levels of “free†testosterone and low levels of estrogen have been linked to lean body mass, an efficient fat-burning metabolism, and low abdominal obesity. Other benefits from “free†testosterone are improved moods, cardiovascular health, memory, libido, and better overall physical conditioning. According to Zeligs, “testosterone exerts its actions differently depending on whether it is free or bound to carrier proteins in the blood.†When estrogen is metabolized into the good hydroxyl forms, as mentioned above it has the ability to set testosterone free by bumping it off of the testosterone binding proteins. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Uses for DIM Weight Loss DIM supplementation can help promote fat loss by reducing the levels of unhealthy estrogens that can cause excess weight to be deposited around the abdomen, thighs, and hips in both women and men. Naturally, DIM can be even more effective when combined with a low-fat, high-fiber diet, as well as exercise. Furthermore when studied, the combination of “good†estrogen metabolites in conjunction with an increase in “free†testosterone promoted by DIM, is responsible for a more active release of fat cells that have been stored in the body by increasing metabolism. Muscle Development " Improving estrogen metabolism with DIM results in direct and indirect support for more efficient weight training. Using DIM can help provide the first estrogen-management system for women and men. ‘Good’ estrogen metabolites directly support muscle well-being through their antioxidant action,†says Dr. Zeligs. DIM can be used during intense workouts with maximum weights to develop larger and stronger muscles quickly. Dr. Zeligs also states, “You can start out with this as your goal, then move to lighter weight and more reps to encourage complete growth of new muscles. This regimen will maximize your metabolic rate and keep you fit and trim.†Fibromyalgia Many health care professionals are now beginning to recognize a link betwen hormone imbalances and fibromyalgia symptoms. Like hormone imbalances, fibromyalgia can be one of the most frustrating and elusive problems that conventinal medicine is facing today. Most physicians would like to help their patients, but they generally do not know what to do beyond prescribing medications that are aimed at reducing symptoms, instead of addressing the underlying cause(s). DIM has been shown to help reduce excess estrogen levels that lead to symptoms that are associated with estrogen domiance and fibromyalgia. For example: Joint and muscle pain Sleep disturbances Migraine headaches Memory loss Foggy thinking Depression -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Calcium D-Glucarate and DIM DIM helps reduce the levels of undesirable or ‘bad’ estrogen metabolites. One of the processes by which estrogenic compounds and toxins are metabolized, broken down, and eliminated is through the conjugation and glucuronidation processes that occurs in the liver. However, there is an enzyme known as Beta-Glucuronidase that can interfere with the elimination process by breaking the bond between the used hormone/toxin and the water soluble substance that was designed to carry them out of the body. Fortunately, Calcium D-Glucarate can help to inhibit or stop the beta-glucuronidase enzyme that can interfere with this process, allowing the body to properly eliminate them. Calcium D-Glucarate is an important part of fully eliminating excess estrogens and toxins. We highly recommend Calcium D-Glucarate for anyone's dietary supplement program, and particularly when taking DIM. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Suggested Further Reading Hormonal Balance - for more information about balancing hormones when you have fibroids. Estrogen Dominance - For further information about hormones, estrogen dominance, and environmental estrogens. Fibroids – to learn about uterine fibroid tumors. Fibromyalgia – to learn about fibromyalgia. Calcium D-Glucarate - is an important supplement in fully eliminating excess estrogens and toxins. Natural Progesterone and Myomin - for other products which may also assist with obtaining hormonal balance. National Cancer Institute - The National Cancer Institute (NCI) coordinates the Nation's research program on cancer prevention, detection, diagnosis, treatment, rehabilitation, and control. BioResponse Nutrients works with the NCI to discover the further health potential of DIM. ClinicalTrials.gov - ClinicalTrials.gov is a service of the U.S. National Institutes of Health and lists clinical trials conducted in the United States and around the world. Visit this site to see Active Clinical Studies using BioResponse DIM (BR-DIM). DIM FAQ - An online resource site about Diindolylmethane (DIM). Includes references, published articles and abstracts on DIM, and more. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Important Facts about DIM DIMPRO also contains phosphatidylcholine. Phosphatidylcholine's role in the maintenance of cell-membrane integrity is vital to all of the body's basic biological processes. Clinical studies have demonstrated that choline is essential for normal liver function. When the liver is functioning properly, it is able to efficiently metabolize estrogen. Phosphatidylcholine is derived from soy, in a form that does NOT include any phytoestrogens, so it is safe for those who are estrogen dominant. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- References 1. Dalessandri KM, Firestone GL, Fitch MD, Bradlow HL, Bjeldanes LF. Pilot study: effect of 3,3'-diindolylmethane supplements on urinary hormone metabolites in postmenopausal women with a history of early-stage breast cancer. Nutr Cancer.2004;50(2):161-7. 2. Bradlow HL, Telang NT, Sepkovic DW, Osborne MP. 2-hydrodyestone: the 'good' estrogen. J Endocrinol. 1996. Sep;150 Suppl:S259-65. 3. Zeligs, MA, Brownston PK, Sharp ME, Westerling KC, SM, Jons SM.Managing cyclical mastalgia with Absorbable Diindolylmethane: A randomized, Placebo-controlled Trial. JANA. 2005; 8(1):5-15. 4. Zeligs MA, Fulfs JC, R, SM, McIntyre L, Sepkovic DW, and Bradlow HL. In vivo, uterine-protective activity of absorption-enhanced diindolylmethane: Animal and preliminary human use in combination with Tamoxifen. Proc Am Assoc Cancer Res 2003.44:1268. 5. Zeligs MA, Sepkovic DW, Manrique C, Macsalka M, DE, and Bradlow HL. Absorption-enhanced 3,3'-Diindolylmethane: Human Use in HPV-related, Benign and Precancerous Conditions. Proc. Am. Assoc. Cancer Res. 2002 Apr; 43, 3198. 6. Teas J, Cunningham JE, Fowke JH, Nitcheva D, Kanwat CP, Boulware RJ, Sepkovic DW, Hurley TG, Herbert JR. Unrinary estrogen metabolites, prostate specific antigen, and body mass index among African-American men in South Carolina. Cancer Detect Prev. 2005; 29(6):494-500. 7. Visit: http://clinicaltrials.gov, keyword: " diindolylmethane. " 8. Chang YC Rilby J, Chang GH, Peng BC, Firestone G, Bjeldanes LL. Cytostatic and antiestrogenic effects of 2-(indol-3-ylmethyl)-3,3'-dinndolymethane, a major in vivo product of dietary indole-3-carbinol. Biochem Pharmacol, 1999 Sep 1;58(5):825-34. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > From: <cinkourk@...> > > > Subject: Got DIM > > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 10:45 AM > > > Hi Phil, > > > > > > Since I spoke with you a week or so ago I've > received > > my > > > DIM in the mail.   I also found that my first > > > Dr. had me on the .50ml T shots and that my new > Dr. > > had > > > reduced the dose to .05ml.   So I guess for a > > > female the .5 was too much.   I felt great! > > > but the cramping must have been the T converting > to > > the > > > E. So, I have lowered my dose over these few > weeks > > to > > > where I am currently at .10 for my dose this > > > week.   The cramping is not as bad but is > > > still occasionally present. I can also tell > that my > > > libido is not as strong either.   I wondered > > > if you could shed some light on what might be > > > happening. Do you think I'm doing the right > thing > > by > > > decreasing my T down?? and Do you feel that I > should > > still > > > taking the DIM. Will it help in my current > > > situation? I'm so confused as to what I should > be > > > doing to get the libido good without having the > > cramping > > > present. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > I also noticed Hard is on a bit these > days...maybe he > > can > > > comment. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Yes you can but lets not, try to get your self leveled off and feeling better then think about maca. Co-Moderator Phil > > > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> > Subject: Re: Got DIM > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 1:02 PM > > > > > > > Val does have some good information, but she has put some > people in severe jeopady as well. 2 people I got a desperate > Pm and then i gave them my number because it was a good > freind of my clients. They almost commited suicide which I > went out of my way to intervine with to set them straight > and to get them to ER room. Alot of people on the thyroid > forums have other underlying issues that they need to deal > with first instead of blaming it on thyroid or hormones. I > have seen several from the forums and as i said alot of them > have been abused in relationships playing " poor me " all the > time. When I dug deeper they where just to blame as much as > their signficant other. Still to this day they are living in > denile of what a true contributing factor. When ever you > mention counseling you get panty raided. I stop going over > there because it was a waste of my time. > The reason I love dim is because I got genetically tested > with a mutation in the cyp1a1 and cyp1ba1 which dim off > sets. Dim can also increase progesterone so you need to be > on the look out for that. In women with hormone issues I > start them on MACA or estroven before any horones. Many have > had a great response from it. > > > > > > > > > From: <cinkourk@...> > > > > Subject: Got DIM > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 10:45 AM > > > > Hi Phil, > > > > > > > > Since I spoke with you a week or so ago I've > received > > > my > > > > DIM in the mail.   I also found > that my first > > > > Dr. had me on the .50ml T shots and that my > new Dr. > > > had > > > > reduced the dose to .05ml.   So I > guess for a > > > > female the .5 was too much.   I > felt great! > > > > but the cramping must have been the T > converting to > > > the > > > > E. So, I have lowered my dose over these > few weeks > > > to > > > > where I am currently at .10 for my dose > this > > > > week.   The cramping is not as bad > but is > > > > still occasionally present. I can also > tell that my > > > > libido is not as strong either.   I > wondered > > > > if you could shed some light on what might > be > > > > happening. Do you think I'm doing the > right thing > > > by > > > > decreasing my T down?? and Do you feel that > I should > > > still > > > > taking the DIM. Will it help in my > current > > > > situation? I'm so confused as to what I > should be > > > > doing to get the libido good without having > the > > > cramping > > > > present. > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > I also noticed Hard is on a bit these > days...maybe he > > > can > > > > comment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Like phil said, your have too many variables going on now you do not want to add any more into the mix that can upset the cart. > > > > > > > > > From: <cinkourk@> > > > > > Subject: Got DIM > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 10:45 AM > > > > > Hi Phil, > > > > > > > > > > Since I spoke with you a week or so ago I've > > received > > > > my > > > > > DIM in the mail.   I also found > > that my first > > > > > Dr. had me on the .50ml T shots and that my > > new Dr. > > > > had > > > > > reduced the dose to .05ml.   So I > > guess for a > > > > > female the .5 was too much.   I > > felt great! > > > > > but the cramping must have been the T > > converting to > > > > the > > > > > E. So, I have lowered my dose over these > > few weeks > > > > to > > > > > where I am currently at .10 for my dose > > this > > > > > week.   The cramping is not as bad > > but is > > > > > still occasionally present. I can also > > tell that my > > > > > libido is not as strong either.   I > > wondered > > > > > if you could shed some light on what might > > be > > > > > happening. Do you think I'm doing the > > right thing > > > > by > > > > > decreasing my T down?? and Do you feel that > > I should > > > > still > > > > > taking the DIM. Will it help in my > > current > > > > > situation? I'm so confused as to what I > > should be > > > > > doing to get the libido good without having > > the > > > > cramping > > > > > present. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > I also noticed Hard is on a bit these > > days...maybe he > > > > can > > > > > comment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 I use maca and other forumulas first before moving them on to HRT. Each case is indivudal specific. Once a person has be stable for 2 months then can add maca slowly and monitore the response. Not untill I hear " I feel really goot just lacking some energy, i'm still alittle fatigue " thyroid and adrenals must be in check before starting this. If a person has adrenal issue and is not on TRT I may suggest maca for 1-2 weeks and still no response goto TD pregenolone to help feed the cortisol pathway. > > So, Can one still try/use MACA while currently on HRT? >  > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Yes also Maca is said in some people to make there thyroid levels go up. If your low this is good but on meds going hyper and now knowing it's the Maca can be a problem. Co-Moderator Phil > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> > Subject: Re: Got DIM > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 10:07 PM > Like phil said, your have too many > variables going on now you do not want to add any more into > the mix that can upset the cart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: <cinkourk@> > > > > > > Subject: Got DIM > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, > 10:45 AM > > > > > > Hi Phil, > > > > > > > > > > > > Since I spoke with you a week or > so ago I've > > > received > > > > > my > > > > > > DIM in the mail.   I also > found > > > that my first > > > > > > Dr. had me on the .50ml T shots > and that my > > > new Dr. > > > > > had > > > > > > reduced the dose to > .05ml.   So I > > > guess for a > > > > > > female the .5 was too > much.   I > > > felt great! > > > > > > but the cramping must have been > the T > > > converting to > > > > > the > > > > > > E. So, I have lowered my dose > over these > > > few weeks > > > > > to > > > > > > where I am currently at .10 for my > dose > > > this > > > > > > week.   The cramping is > not as bad > > > but is > > > > > > still occasionally present. I > can also > > > tell that my > > > > > > libido is not as strong > either.   I > > > wondered > > > > > > if you could shed some light on > what might > > > be > > > > > > happening. Do you think I'm > doing the > > > right thing > > > > > by > > > > > > decreasing my T down?? and Do you > feel that > > > I should > > > > > still > > > > > > taking the DIM. Will it help > in my > > > current > > > > > > situation? I'm so confused as > to what I > > > should be > > > > > > doing to get the libido good > without having > > > the > > > > > cramping > > > > > > present. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > I also noticed Hard is on a bit > these > > > days...maybe he > > > > > can > > > > > > comment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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