Guest guest Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 Dr needs to be educated on the fine art of HRT. 500 ius is too much hcg every 3 days unless you are 70years old and your balls are literally dead. First of all the dr needs to know how much t is coming from the shots and how much is coming from hcg. By adjusting the T dosage to get optimal levels at 500-600 at trought on 3 rd day for 6 weeks. If after 6 weeks if an AI is needed then it should be added in. Once T and E2 is stable then addin the hcg at 200-250 ius day before the shot. By manipulating T and HCG an AI may not be needed. AS typical dr they start everything at once hoping it works. The problem with this is there are too many variables to deal with. Change one varaible at a time that way you will have a greater level of success with least side effects. > > I am currently taking 50mg of T. 500IU of HCG, and .25 of Anastrozole every 3 days. My doctor has been very flexible with me with my protocol. I am taking all of them on the same day. For anyone who is on the 3 day program, is that good or do I need to break up when I take the shots. Thanks. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 So are you saying that I need to first take just the T shots to get a 500-600 range.  I thought the range we should be shooting for is 800-900? After 6 weeks and looking at my lab results I would then determine if my E2 is too high. If it is then I would add in AI?  From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> Subject: Re: T and HCG Protocol Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 3:32 PM  Dr needs to be educated on the fine art of HRT. 500 ius is too much hcg every 3 days unless you are 70years old and your balls are literally dead. First of all the dr needs to know how much t is coming from the shots and how much is coming from hcg. By adjusting the T dosage to get optimal levels at 500-600 at trought on 3 rd day for 6 weeks. If after 6 weeks if an AI is needed then it should be added in. Once T and E2 is stable then addin the hcg at 200-250 ius day before the shot. By manipulating T and HCG an AI may not be needed. AS typical dr they start everything at once hoping it works. The problem with this is there are too many variables to deal with. Change one varaible at a time that way you will have a greater level of success with least side effects. > > I am currently taking 50mg of T. 500IU of HCG, and .25 of Anastrozole every 3 days. My doctor has been very flexible with me with my protocol. I am taking all of them on the same day. For anyone who is on the 3 day program, is that good or do I need to break up when I take the shots. Thanks. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 , I do this but I do my Test C shot every 3 days and I do 250 IU's of HCG the day before my Test C shot. If your doing your Test C shot and you HCG all in the same day stop this. Do your HCG shot the day before your Test C shot. And I would not do such a big HCG shot try 250 IU's. As for Arimidex I take this by how good I feel and how good my night time and morning wood is. On mornings I don't think I had this wood I will see it I can get it up before getting out of bed. Going to high on my Estraidol it will take longer to get it up and it will not be very strong. Most of the time this means my Estraidol levels are going to high. I can also feel hot and sweat easy, have sore and hard nipples, look red like I have a sunburn on my upper body and face and how a lot of water. Even get feelings of Panic. When this happens I will take more Arimidex so if I was doing .25 mgs every 3 days I will go to every 2 days. Going to low is easy you lose your wood nothing will get it up when this happens I stop the Arimidex. Until wood comes back I then go back on Arimidex but take less. ==================================================== How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your Estradiol to Low. What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low until my next labs. The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you can hang a coat on it. Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said >90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs. I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels back up. I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3 days. So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days. I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need ..25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days. So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets me dose my arimidex by how I feel. Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face. Co-Moderator Phil > From: <danderson4christ@...> > Subject: T and HCG Protocol > > Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 3:26 PM > I am currently taking 50mg of T. > 500IU of HCG, and .25 of Anastrozole every 3 days. > My doctor has been very flexible with me with my > protocol. I am taking all of them on the same day. For > anyone who is on the 3 day program, is that good or do I > need to break up when I take the shots. Thanks. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 thanks Philip. I will change the amount and begin taking the shot the day before my other shot. When i am ready to take the lab test what day should that be done? The day I take the T shot, day after??? > From: <danderson4christ@...> > Subject: T and HCG Protocol > > Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 3:26 PM > I am currently taking 50mg of T. > 500IU of HCG, and .25 of Anastrozole every 3 days. > My doctor has been very flexible with me with my > protocol. I am taking all of them on the same day. For > anyone who is on the 3 day program, is that good or do I > need to break up when I take the shots. Thanks. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 more is not better but it depends on alot of factors. I like to see levels between 500-700 at trought depending on factors could be binding up. Ai Should not be added in untill 5 weeks on T only then you retest because you may not need them. > > > > I am currently taking 50mg of T. 500IU of HCG, and .25 of Anastrozole every 3 days. My doctor has been very flexible with me with my protocol. I am taking all of them on the same day. For anyone who is on the 3 day program, is that good or do I need to break up when I take the shots. Thanks. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 The Dr took me off T my last shot was Oct 30th.(I have been on T since April) I started HCG at the beginning of Oct 250ius every MWF but when I stopped T the Dr had me increase HCG to 500ius every MWF. I feel fine, strong wood and libido, I didnt have either while on T, but now it seems that I cant reach orgasm but am very horny. Re: T and HCG Protocol Dr needs to be educated on the fine art of HRT. 500 ius is too much hcg every 3 days unless you are 70years old and your balls are literally dead. First of all the dr needs to know how much t is coming from the shots and how much is coming from hcg. By adjusting the T dosage to get optimal levels at 500-600 at trought on 3 rd day for 6 weeks. If after 6 weeks if an AI is needed then it should be added in. Once T and E2 is stable then addin the hcg at 200-250 ius day before the shot. By manipulating T and HCG an AI may not be needed. AS typical dr they start everything at once hoping it works. The problem with this is there are too many variables to deal with. Change one varaible at a time that way you will have a greater level of success with least side effects. > > I am currently taking 50mg of T. 500IU of HCG, and .25 of Anastrozole every 3 days. My doctor has been very flexible with me with my protocol. I am taking all of them on the same day. For anyone who is on the 3 day program, is that good or do I need to break up when I take the shots. Thanks. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 I do my labs the day of my Test C shot but before the shot and I don't do the HCG shot the day before my labs. Co-Moderator Phil > > > From: <danderson4christ@...> > > Subject: T and HCG Protocol > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 3:26 PM > > I am currently taking 50mg of T. > > 500IU of HCG, and .25 of Anastrozole every 3 days. > > My doctor has been very flexible with me with my > > protocol. I am taking all of them on the same > day. For > > anyone who is on the 3 day program, is that good or do > I > > need to break up when I take the shots. Thanks. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 if you are doing hcg only 500 ius m,w,f then this may work for you But if you are doing 500 ius of hcg and 50 mgs of t every 3 days with an AI this is too much. > > > > I am currently taking 50mg of T. 500IU of HCG, and .25 of Anastrozole every 3 days. My doctor has been very flexible with me with my protocol. I am taking all of them on the same day. For anyone who is on the 3 day program, is that good or do I need to break up when I take the shots. Thanks. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 So you skip the HCG for the test and take your C shot after the test. Can I ask why you don't take the HCG shot?  > > > From: <danderson4christ@...> > > Subject: T and HCG Protocol > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 3:26 PM > > I am currently taking 50mg of T. > > 500IU of HCG, and .25 of Anastrozole every 3 days. > > My doctor has been very flexible with me with my > > protocol. I am taking all of them on the same > day. For > > anyone who is on the 3 day program, is that good or do > I > > need to break up when I take the shots. Thanks. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 you want to see where your body is just on the testosterone not the hcg. Hcg can falsely spike e2. > > > > > From: <danderson4christ@...> > > > Subject: T and HCG Protocol > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 3:26 PM > > > I am currently taking 50mg of T. > > > 500IU of HCG, and .25 of Anastrozole every 3 days. > > > My doctor has been very flexible with me with my > > > protocol. I am taking all of them on the same > > day. For > > > anyone who is on the 3 day program, is that good or do > > I > > > need to break up when I take the shots. Thanks. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Lets look at this like a fast car or Hot Rod when you start losing the race you kick in the turbo or hit the Nitro switch this give your more HP for a shot time. HCG works like this it will spike up your levels up set your Dr. making him think your on too much and he will want to lower your dose. HCG gives you a kick this is why we do it the day before the Test C shot it kicks you up until your do your Test C shot. Doing the HCG shot the day before can make your T and E2 levels look very high went they are not. If your on creams or gels you do the HCG shot every 3 days with them you don't need to stop the HCG. On shots every week you do the HCG the 2 days each just before your Test C shot with this you don't to them 2 days of HCG before labs. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > From: <danderson4christ@...> > > > Subject: T and HCG Protocol > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 3:26 PM > > > I am currently taking 50mg of T. > > > 500IU of HCG, and .25 of Anastrozole every 3 > days. > > > My doctor has been very flexible with me with > my > > > protocol. I am taking all of them on the same > > day. For > > > anyone who is on the 3 day program, is that good > or do > > I > > > need to break up when I take the shots. > Thanks. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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