Re: How much of this can we do ourselves?

[Guest guest]

No No No don't even think about trying to treat your self. If you can't find a

Dr. in your area then ask your Family Dr. to work with Dr. over the phone

to test and treat you. Yes the one that told you your in the normal range.

Tell him Dr. is the top male Hormone Dr. out there and even trains other

Dr. in seminar's. He will be able to learn about this on your dime.

If he will not do this Drive out fly out and See Dr. many men did not

listen to me about this and after seeing a lot of Dr.'s not up on this ended up

fly out or Driving to see him. After they did they say that they should have

done this a long time ago.

Dr. does not take your health care plain but you see him once then the rest

he can do by phone.

Go to his site www.allthingsmale.com and read about doing this and go to his

forum and talk to other men that do this.

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: cylonhippy <cylonhippy@...>

> Subject: How much of this can we do ourselves?

>

> Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 8:12 AM

> I'm learning that it is difficult to

> find a doctor who will treat all of my symptoms.  My

> PHP wouldn't acknowledge that I even had low T.  He

> hesitated to test me, and when my total T came back at 326

> he said it was normal.  He refused my request to be

> tested for free T and estradiol, but said he would refer me

> to a specialist if I wanted to pursue it.

>

> Then I found a urologist who would treat my low T. 

> But he refused to add HCG to the mix, and would only

> alternate between T and HGG, with 3 or 4 months on

> each.  He refused to treat my high estradiol (53),

> insisting that it wasn't a problem.  Also, he felt that

> my free T of 1.57 (range 0.65 to 4.3), one month after

> receiving pellets, was good enough.  The pellets barely

> kept my levels up for even a month, but the doctor didn't

> want to see my until 3 months had expired and wouldn't allow

> me to supplement with gels.

>

> Now I'm frustrated and am looking for a new doctor. 

> But I feel I'm stabbing in the dark.  Perhaps I'll get

> lucky and will find a doc who will treat all my

> symptoms.  But what if there's no one around here who

> will?  I see guys here ordering HCG and Aridimex from

> ADC and other places.  Are they self-medicating? 

> Are they working with a doc?

>

> Can one also order T from such places?  In short, what

> is possible (and advisable) to do by oneself, assuming one

> can't find a doc who is willing?

>

> And if none of this pans out, do I really need to travel to

> Michigan to see Dr. Crisler?  Can we just have a video

> chat or something?

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for writing.

I'm in the exact situation. I found that the best I can do is " finesse " the 2

doctors I'm working with and self treat for the rest.

So, my endo will give me T, and Levothyroxine, even though my TSH is borderline.

He will not give me cortisone for obvious symptoms of adrenal fatigue. That's

not bad for an endo. I didn't strike gold, but maybe struck silver with him.

I have another doc who is supposed to be up on all these non-AMA treatments, but

she will only give me 15mg of cortisone / day. She does great lab work and is

good at recommending supplements - silver again. I'm ordering my hydrocortisone

from ADC to make up the difference. Also using Arimidex from ADC also.

I plan to keep looking for a GOOD doctor. Might take a trip to MI if all else

fails. But in the meanwhile, I'm doing what I feel I must do to get healthy. I

suggest you do the same. Don't let these pompous idiots keep you from being

healthy. Do what you must until you've found someone with a brain.

>

> I'm learning that it is difficult to find a doctor who will treat all of my

symptoms. My PHP wouldn't acknowledge that I even had low T. He hesitated to

test me, and when my total T came back at 326 he said it was normal. He refused

my request to be tested for free T and estradiol, but said he would refer me to

a specialist if I wanted to pursue it.

>

> Then I found a urologist who would treat my low T. But he refused to add HCG

to the mix, and would only alternate between T and HGG, with 3 or 4 months on

each. He refused to treat my high estradiol (53), insisting that it wasn't a

problem. Also, he felt that my free T of 1.57 (range 0.65 to 4.3), one month

after receiving pellets, was good enough. The pellets barely kept my levels up

for even a month, but the doctor didn't want to see my until 3 months had

expired and wouldn't allow me to supplement with gels.

>

> Now I'm frustrated and am looking for a new doctor. But I feel I'm stabbing

in the dark. Perhaps I'll get lucky and will find a doc who will treat all my

symptoms. But what if there's no one around here who will? I see guys here

ordering HCG and Aridimex from ADC and other places. Are they self-medicating?

Are they working with a doc?

>

> Can one also order T from such places? In short, what is possible (and

advisable) to do by oneself, assuming one can't find a doc who is willing?

>

> And if none of this pans out, do I really need to travel to Michigan to see

Dr. Crisler? Can we just have a video chat or something?

>

[Guest guest]

Remember that if you're willing to pay for them, in the US lab tests may be

available through sites like LEF.org. I've been treating myself with Arimidex

for several years using the liquid version available through various " research "

sites. I continue to be tested through LEF, now every four months. It's

necessary to keep testing because the dose of Arimidex you need may drop

significantly over time, and you need to be sure your E2 doesn't go too low.

A significant reduction in E2 should by itself produce a significant increase in

T, which may mean T supplementation isn't needed.

But treating yourself isn't without risk. If you're going to do it, you have to

take it slowly and carefully.

>

> I'm learning that it is difficult to find a doctor who will treat all of my

symptoms. My PHP wouldn't acknowledge that I even had low T. He hesitated to

test me, and when my total T came back at 326 he said it was normal. He refused

my request to be tested for free T and estradiol, but said he would refer me to

a specialist if I wanted to pursue it.

>

> Then I found a urologist who would treat my low T. But he refused to add HCG

to the mix, and would only alternate between T and HGG, with 3 or 4 months on

each. He refused to treat my high estradiol (53), insisting that it wasn't a

problem. Also, he felt that my free T of 1.57 (range 0.65 to 4.3), one month

after receiving pellets, was good enough. The pellets barely kept my levels up

for even a month, but the doctor didn't want to see my until 3 months had

expired and wouldn't allow me to supplement with gels.

>

> Now I'm frustrated and am looking for a new doctor. But I feel I'm stabbing

in the dark. Perhaps I'll get lucky and will find a doc who will treat all my

symptoms. But what if there's no one around here who will? I see guys here

ordering HCG and Aridimex from ADC and other places. Are they self-medicating?

Are they working with a doc?

>

> Can one also order T from such places? In short, what is possible (and

advisable) to do by oneself, assuming one can't find a doc who is willing?

>

> And if none of this pans out, do I really need to travel to Michigan to see

Dr. Crisler? Can we just have a video chat or something?

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

around here those that are skittish about self medication (and/or don't have

access to labs... I get mine in the endo dept at the med school I work for

cheap) can go to the " male performance clinics " popping up all over...

that usually means they're a testosterone clinic and they'll handle the labs,

scripts, etc.

basically if there ads are about MEN and SEX give them a call and ask if they're

prescribing testosterone for hypogonadism.

and if your insurance won't cover your arimidex script order from All Day

Chemist... they're cheaper than my insurance!

> >

> > I'm learning that it is difficult to find a doctor who will treat all of my

symptoms. My PHP wouldn't acknowledge that I even had low T. He hesitated to

test me, and when my total T came back at 326 he said it was normal. He refused

my request to be tested for free T and estradiol, but said he would refer me to

a specialist if I wanted to pursue it.

> >

> > Then I found a urologist who would treat my low T. But he refused to add

HCG to the mix, and would only alternate between T and HGG, with 3 or 4 months

on each. He refused to treat my high estradiol (53), insisting that it wasn't a

problem. Also, he felt that my free T of 1.57 (range 0.65 to 4.3), one month

after receiving pellets, was good enough. The pellets barely kept my levels up

for even a month, but the doctor didn't want to see my until 3 months had

expired and wouldn't allow me to supplement with gels.

> >

> > Now I'm frustrated and am looking for a new doctor. But I feel I'm stabbing

in the dark. Perhaps I'll get lucky and will find a doc who will treat all my

symptoms. But what if there's no one around here who will? I see guys here

ordering HCG and Aridimex from ADC and other places. Are they self-medicating?

Are they working with a doc?

> >

> > Can one also order T from such places? In short, what is possible (and

advisable) to do by oneself, assuming one can't find a doc who is willing?

> >

> > And if none of this pans out, do I really need to travel to Michigan to see

Dr. Crisler? Can we just have a video chat or something?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The standard test for estradiol (E2) is $33 for LEF members, or $44 for

non-members. A prescription is not required. You order the test online, then

they send you the lab order by snail mail, which you take to your nearest

LabCorp lab where they draw blood in the usual way - a needle in the vein in

your arm. Then after a few days LEF emails or mails you the result. LEF.org

Some believe you want to use the " sensitive " test instead of the standard test,

but I've always used the standard test and the results seem valid and

consistent. Also, if initially your E2 is very high, it might be above the

upper limit for the sensitive test, so the standard test might be a good

starting point at least until you know where you stand. The sensitive test

costs more, but I don't know the price. They can do it, but it's not on their

site, so you have to call them and ask for it.

There are other online labs that work the same way, but I haven't found one less

expensive than LEF. The problem with doing it this way is that there's

absolutely no insurance coverage for it, so it's all out of your pocket. But as

things go, E2 is not a particularly expensive test. For example, the Total and

Free Testosterone test is $99 for members, or $133 for non-members.

Also, LEF does an annual blood test sale in the late spring, and you can stock

up a bit then. Lab orders are good for six months from date of purchase.

>

>

> How much do the tests cost, and do you need a prescription to get the test

done? Do you have to have blood drawn or is it a finger prick? Thanks.