Re: Re: Don't know what to do from here ...need help

[Guest guest]

Thanks Antanas. I agree with you except he is probably one of the best HRT

docs in the world and I have already spent a lot of money with him and I

can't afford to fly out to see another doc. For some reason though, he just

doesn't want to treat everything that is going on with me, nor listen to

what I am saying is going on with me. Could be ego, maybe?

I've got to do something though because what he is doing is not working. I

came to him because I am a difficult case and I was under the impression

that he specializes in difficult cases. Maybe I was wrong....?

Mike

On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 4:14 AM, antanas_aradas <antanas_aradas@...>wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Hey Mike,

>

> The only idea which comes to my mind - change a doctor if possible. You

> need fresh start. I know this feeling when i was arguing with psychiatric

> doctors, before i discovered i have Hashimoto and etc. After theses argues i

> felt so lonely and lost then i didn't want to do anything.

>

> Your doctor is not a God, you know you body better then any doctor.

>

> Antanas

>

>

>

> >

> > Hey Group,

> >

> > I am at a loss for what to do. I just had a 30 minute appt with Dr. M,

> and

> > I spent the entire time arguing with him. I first discussed aldosterone

> and

> > florinef and even though my labs say that I should consider a trail dose

> of

> > it, he refuses to treat it. I had to basically beg him to even test for

> > it. Then, I asked him why my face is very puffy, my skin is thin and

> > horrible and why I am getting a buffalo hump (that was confirmed by my

> PT)

> > on the back of my neck. I said that it all sounds like I am on too much

> > medrol and he said that is impossible. I then asked what it culd be from

> and

> > he replied, " I don't know " and changed the subject. I then asked him

> about

> > getting on some NTH because of T4 and the brain and even referenced his

> post

> > from a while back regarding this and the said that was old news and the

> he

> > doesn't believe that anymore (Barb and Phil, you may want to take note of

> > this). He said that getting on T3 is just fine and that we shouldn't

> > reference things from him on the net because things change and he changes

> > his opinion based on those changes. So, I basically said that we weren't

> > doing things the right way, which we aren't because something is

> preventing

> > me from getting better, and he became very offended at this remark.

> >

> > So, I just don't know what to do at this point. I can't take the aromasin

> > anymore because it screws with me. I took some today along with a test

> cyp

> > shot and about a two hours later, felt like I was going to die. I took a

> nap

> > and I was awoken by a strange fatigue that made me feel like the very

> > essence was being sucked out of me. And, it is still giving me heart

> palps,

> > just not as bad. So, I may just throw in the towel. I would rather just

> > feel like shit than continue down this roller coaster ride. My physiology

> > is so screwed up that I don't think it is reparable. I mean, I feel like

> I

> > am doing more harm than good to my body and my physical apperance

> manifests

> > this...I look like complete hell...I look worse know than before I

> started

> > this whole thing.

> >

> > I don'tk now,. If any of you have been through this, I would greatly

> > appreciate some advice. I was thinking that my only other option is to

> wean

> > off of everything and start over.

> >

> > I don't know..this blows and I'm getting tired of it.

> >

> > Any help or advice is greatly apprecaited.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > MIke

> >

> > --

> > *Mike*

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

He is dam good and your not feeling well this happens you start to think the Dr.

is not helping or listening to you. I have done this with my Dr. many times he

tells me to make a list of things I feel I need to go over with him. He then

says after a few days reread the list and take things off the list that are not

that important.

I find this works very well he sits there reads the list and tells me why or how

he feels about it. I sit there and keep my mouth shut and let him talk.

Doing this we both do better because when we feel very sick and are upset we

don't listen and understand what is being said. I would interrupt my Dr. and he

would lose track on what he was trying to tell me.

I learned this in Therapy when they thought my health problems we from

Depression. Try this it works.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hey Mike,

> >

> > The only idea which comes to my mind - change a doctor

> if possible. You

> > need fresh start. I know this feeling when i was

> arguing with psychiatric

> > doctors, before i discovered i have Hashimoto and etc.

> After theses argues i

> > felt so lonely and lost then i didn't want to do

> anything.

> >

> > Your doctor is not a God, you know you body better

> then any doctor.

> >

> > Antanas

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hey Group,

> > >

> > > I am at a loss for what to do. I just had a 30

> minute appt with Dr. M,

> > and

> > > I spent the entire time arguing with him. I first

> discussed aldosterone

> > and

> > > florinef and even though my labs say that I

> should consider a trail dose

> > of

> > > it, he refuses to treat it. I had to basically

> beg him to even test for

> > > it. Then, I asked him why my face is very puffy,

> my skin is thin and

> > > horrible and why I am getting a buffalo hump

> (that was confirmed by my

> > PT)

> > > on the back of my neck. I said that it all sounds

> like I am on too much

> > > medrol and he said that is impossible. I then

> asked what it culd be from

> > and

> > > he replied, " I don't know " and changed the

> subject. I then asked him

> > about

> > > getting on some NTH because of T4 and the brain

> and even referenced his

> > post

> > > from a while back regarding this and the said

> that was old news and the

> > he

> > > doesn't believe that anymore (Barb and Phil, you

> may want to take note of

> > > this). He said that getting on T3 is just fine

> and that we shouldn't

> > > reference things from him on the net because

> things change and he changes

> > > his opinion based on those changes. So, I

> basically said that we weren't

> > > doing things the right way, which we aren't

> because something is

> > preventing

> > > me from getting better, and he became very

> offended at this remark.

> > >

> > > So, I just don't know what to do at this point. I

> can't take the aromasin

> > > anymore because it screws with me. I took some

> today along with a test

> > cyp

> > > shot and about a two hours later, felt like I was

> going to die. I took a

> > nap

> > > and I was awoken by a strange fatigue that made

> me feel like the very

> > > essence was being sucked out of me. And, it is

> still giving me heart

> > palps,

> > > just not as bad. So, I may just throw in the

> towel. I would rather just

> > > feel like shit than continue down this roller

> coaster ride. My physiology

> > > is so screwed up that I don't think it is

> reparable. I mean, I feel like

> > I

> > > am doing more harm than good to my body and my

> physical apperance

> > manifests

> > > this...I look like complete hell...I look worse

> know than before I

> > started

> > > this whole thing.

> > >

> > > I don'tk now,. If any of you have been through

> this, I would greatly

> > > appreciate some advice. I was thinking that my

> only other option is to

> > wean

> > > off of everything and start over.

> > >

> > > I don't know..this blows and I'm getting tired of

> it.

> > >

> > > Any help or advice is greatly apprecaited.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > MIke

> > >

> > > --

> > > *Mike*

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> >

> > 

> >

>

>

>

> --

> *Mike*

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Phil. I'll try that and see how it goes.

I really just don't know what to do though. I was on a high level of T3,

and that was the best I have felt in years neurologically, but my body just

couldn't take it anymore. I feel like there is something I'm missing that

is preventing me from getting the full benefit from thryoid and testosterone

treatment. I'm on a crap load of iron and vitamin D, so it can't be that.

I'm also on sea salt and potassium, so it can't be that. I'm also on 30 mg

of HC, so it can't be that. I just don't know what it is, and the only

thing I am not on is florinef but Dr. M won't treat me with it. I may have

to just convince my PCP to put me on it and see what happens.

I am still having problems getting on an AI too. The forma stenzol looks

great, but I don't know what it will do to me long term and it sounds too

good to be true. I also don't trust body builders who say it is a miracle

cure for E2 and that it is safe long term because anyone who knowingly puts

steroids into his body at high levels obviously doesn't respect his body.

So I have no idea if they are just saying that b/c they don't care about the

long term consequences or if it is legitimately safe. Plus, the guy who is

doing the most campaigning for it is selling it. So, I don't know if I can

trust his intentions when he gives me advice on its safety.

So, I am just at a loss for what to do. My PCP suggested getting off of

everything and allowing Dr. M to treat me as if I were a new patient. I'm

considering it but I think it would take me months to get back to the

baseline I'm at now. I don't know.

But thanks for your advice, Phil.

Mike

On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 9:04 AM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>wrote:

>

>

> He is dam good and your not feeling well this happens you start to think

> the Dr. is not helping or listening to you. I have done this with my Dr.

> many times he tells me to make a list of things I feel I need to go over

> with him. He then says after a few days reread the list and take things off

> the list that are not that important.

>

> I find this works very well he sits there reads the list and tells me why

> or how he feels about it. I sit there and keep my mouth shut and let him

> talk.

>

> Doing this we both do better because when we feel very sick and are upset

> we don't listen and understand what is being said. I would interrupt my Dr.

> and he would lose track on what he was trying to tell me.

>

> I learned this in Therapy when they thought my health problems we from

> Depression. Try this it works.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hey Mike,

> > >

> > > The only idea which comes to my mind - change a doctor

> > if possible. You

> > > need fresh start. I know this feeling when i was

> > arguing with psychiatric

> > > doctors, before i discovered i have Hashimoto and etc.

> > After theses argues i

> > > felt so lonely and lost then i didn't want to do

> > anything.

> > >

> > > Your doctor is not a God, you know you body better

> > then any doctor.

> > >

> > > Antanas

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Hey Group,

> > > >

> > > > I am at a loss for what to do. I just had a 30

> > minute appt with Dr. M,

> > > and

> > > > I spent the entire time arguing with him. I first

> > discussed aldosterone

> > > and

> > > > florinef and even though my labs say that I

> > should consider a trail dose

> > > of

> > > > it, he refuses to treat it. I had to basically

> > beg him to even test for

> > > > it. Then, I asked him why my face is very puffy,

> > my skin is thin and

> > > > horrible and why I am getting a buffalo hump

> > (that was confirmed by my

> > > PT)

> > > > on the back of my neck. I said that it all sounds

> > like I am on too much

> > > > medrol and he said that is impossible. I then

> > asked what it culd be from

> > > and

> > > > he replied, " I don't know " and changed the

> > subject. I then asked him

> > > about

> > > > getting on some NTH because of T4 and the brain

> > and even referenced his

> > > post

> > > > from a while back regarding this and the said

> > that was old news and the

> > > he

> > > > doesn't believe that anymore (Barb and Phil, you

> > may want to take note of

> > > > this). He said that getting on T3 is just fine

> > and that we shouldn't

> > > > reference things from him on the net because

> > things change and he changes

> > > > his opinion based on those changes. So, I

> > basically said that we weren't

> > > > doing things the right way, which we aren't

> > because something is

> > > preventing

> > > > me from getting better, and he became very

> > offended at this remark.

> > > >

> > > > So, I just don't know what to do at this point. I

> > can't take the aromasin

> > > > anymore because it screws with me. I took some

> > today along with a test

> > > cyp

> > > > shot and about a two hours later, felt like I was

> > going to die. I took a

> > > nap

> > > > and I was awoken by a strange fatigue that made

> > me feel like the very

> > > > essence was being sucked out of me. And, it is

> > still giving me heart

> > > palps,

> > > > just not as bad. So, I may just throw in the

> > towel. I would rather just

> > > > feel like shit than continue down this roller

> > coaster ride. My physiology

> > > > is so screwed up that I don't think it is

> > reparable. I mean, I feel like

> > > I

> > > > am doing more harm than good to my body and my

> > physical apperance

> > > manifests

> > > > this...I look like complete hell...I look worse

> > know than before I

> > > started

> > > > this whole thing.

> > > >

> > > > I don'tk now,. If any of you have been through

> > this, I would greatly

> > > > appreciate some advice. I was thinking that my

> > only other option is to

> > > wean

> > > > off of everything and start over.

> > > >

> > > > I don't know..this blows and I'm getting tired of

> > it.

> > > >

> > > > Any help or advice is greatly apprecaited.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > MIke

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > *Mike*

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > *Mike*

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

How are your Folic Acid and B-12 levels with your Iron labs. I tested below

normal for Folic Acid blood labs taking it. Turns out the Folic Acid does not

convert into folate. So my Dr. told me to take this.

http://www.amazon.com/Thorne-Research-Folacal-60/dp/B000FGWCIW

Now my levels are up and my iron levels went up and I added to this B-12 this is

what I take.

B-12 (Brain) Methylcobalamin - 5000 mcg lozenges. 3x’s/week.

Also with my Iron I take Vit. C this.

http://www.myvitanet.com/supbiocbuf36.html

I need to space this out so I am not taking it with Thyroid meds.

====================================================

Product Description

Administration of folinic acid bypasses the deconjugation and reduction steps

required of folic acid to become this bioactive form of folate. Folinic acid is

a more metabolically active form of folate, capable of boosting levels of the

coenzyme forms of the vitamin in circumstances where folic acid has little to no

effect. Another benefit of folinic acid is that it is the folate intermediary

responsible for proper DNA and RNA synthesis. Thorne supplies 800 mcg of folinic

acid in each capsule of Folacal.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hey Mike,

> > > >

> > > > The only idea which comes to my mind -

> change a doctor

> > > if possible. You

> > > > need fresh start. I know this feeling when i

> was

> > > arguing with psychiatric

> > > > doctors, before i discovered i have

> Hashimoto and etc.

> > > After theses argues i

> > > > felt so lonely and lost then i didn't want

> to do

> > > anything.

> > > >

> > > > Your doctor is not a God, you know you body

> better

> > > then any doctor.

> > > >

> > > > Antanas

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hey Group,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am at a loss for what to do. I just

> had a 30

> > > minute appt with Dr. M,

> > > > and

> > > > > I spent the entire time arguing with

> him. I first

> > > discussed aldosterone

> > > > and

> > > > > florinef and even though my labs say

> that I

> > > should consider a trail dose

> > > > of

> > > > > it, he refuses to treat it. I had to

> basically

> > > beg him to even test for

> > > > > it. Then, I asked him why my face is

> very puffy,

> > > my skin is thin and

> > > > > horrible and why I am getting a buffalo

> hump

> > > (that was confirmed by my

> > > > PT)

> > > > > on the back of my neck. I said that it

> all sounds

> > > like I am on too much

> > > > > medrol and he said that is impossible.

> I then

> > > asked what it culd be from

> > > > and

> > > > > he replied, " I don't know " and changed

> the

> > > subject. I then asked him

> > > > about

> > > > > getting on some NTH because of T4 and

> the brain

> > > and even referenced his

> > > > post

> > > > > from a while back regarding this and

> the said

> > > that was old news and the

> > > > he

> > > > > doesn't believe that anymore (Barb and

> Phil, you

> > > may want to take note of

> > > > > this). He said that getting on T3 is

> just fine

> > > and that we shouldn't

> > > > > reference things from him on the net

> because

> > > things change and he changes

> > > > > his opinion based on those changes. So,

> I

> > > basically said that we weren't

> > > > > doing things the right way, which we

> aren't

> > > because something is

> > > > preventing

> > > > > me from getting better, and he became

> very

> > > offended at this remark.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, I just don't know what to do at

> this point. I

> > > can't take the aromasin

> > > > > anymore because it screws with me. I

> took some

> > > today along with a test

> > > > cyp

> > > > > shot and about a two hours later, felt

> like I was

> > > going to die. I took a

> > > > nap

> > > > > and I was awoken by a strange fatigue

> that made

> > > me feel like the very

> > > > > essence was being sucked out of me.

> And, it is

> > > still giving me heart

> > > > palps,

> > > > > just not as bad. So, I may just throw

> in the

> > > towel. I would rather just

> > > > > feel like shit than continue down this

> roller

> > > coaster ride. My physiology

> > > > > is so screwed up that I don't think it

> is

> > > reparable. I mean, I feel like

> > > > I

> > > > > am doing more harm than good to my body

> and my

> > > physical apperance

> > > > manifests

> > > > > this...I look like complete hell...I

> look worse

> > > know than before I

> > > > started

> > > > > this whole thing.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don'tk now,. If any of you have been

> through

> > > this, I would greatly

> > > > > appreciate some advice. I was thinking

> that my

> > > only other option is to

> > > > wean

> > > > > off of everything and start over.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't know..this blows and I'm

> getting tired of

> > > it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Any help or advice is greatly

> apprecaited.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > MIke

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > *Mike*

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> been

> > > removed]

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > *Mike*

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Not sure about folic acid but B12 is in the 2000's (I take it IM twice a

week).

I also take Iron with Vit C and don't take it with thyroid meds.

I just checked and my vit D levels are actually low. Weird because I've been

taking huge amounts for a year and my levels are still low. Hmmm?

On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 10:43 AM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>wrote:

>

>

> How are your Folic Acid and B-12 levels with your Iron labs. I tested below

> normal for Folic Acid blood labs taking it. Turns out the Folic Acid does

> not convert into folate. So my Dr. told me to take this.

> http://www.amazon.com/Thorne-Research-Folacal-60/dp/B000FGWCIW

> Now my levels are up and my iron levels went up and I added to this B-12

> this is what I take.

> B-12 (Brain) Methylcobalamin - 5000 mcg lozenges. 3x’s/week.

>

> Also with my Iron I take Vit. C this.

> http://www.myvitanet.com/supbiocbuf36.html

>

> I need to space this out so I am not taking it with Thyroid meds.

>

> ====================================================

> Product Description

> Administration of folinic acid bypasses the deconjugation and reduction

> steps required of folic acid to become this bioactive form of folate.

> Folinic acid is a more metabolically active form of folate, capable of

> boosting levels of the coenzyme forms of the vitamin in circumstances where

> folic acid has little to no effect. Another benefit of folinic acid is that

> it is the folate intermediary responsible for proper DNA and RNA synthesis.

> Thorne supplies 800 mcg of folinic acid in each capsule of Folacal.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hey Mike,

> > > > >

> > > > > The only idea which comes to my mind -

> > change a doctor

> > > > if possible. You

> > > > > need fresh start. I know this feeling when i

> > was

> > > > arguing with psychiatric

> > > > > doctors, before i discovered i have

> > Hashimoto and etc.

> > > > After theses argues i

> > > > > felt so lonely and lost then i didn't want

> > to do

> > > > anything.

> > > > >

> > > > > Your doctor is not a God, you know you body

> > better

> > > > then any doctor.

> > > > >

> > > > > Antanas

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hey Group,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am at a loss for what to do. I just

> > had a 30

> > > > minute appt with Dr. M,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > I spent the entire time arguing with

> > him. I first

> > > > discussed aldosterone

> > > > > and

> > > > > > florinef and even though my labs say

> > that I

> > > > should consider a trail dose

> > > > > of

> > > > > > it, he refuses to treat it. I had to

> > basically

> > > > beg him to even test for

> > > > > > it. Then, I asked him why my face is

> > very puffy,

> > > > my skin is thin and

> > > > > > horrible and why I am getting a buffalo

> > hump

> > > > (that was confirmed by my

> > > > > PT)

> > > > > > on the back of my neck. I said that it

> > all sounds

> > > > like I am on too much

> > > > > > medrol and he said that is impossible.

> > I then

> > > > asked what it culd be from

> > > > > and

> > > > > > he replied, " I don't know " and changed

> > the

> > > > subject. I then asked him

> > > > > about

> > > > > > getting on some NTH because of T4 and

> > the brain

> > > > and even referenced his

> > > > > post

> > > > > > from a while back regarding this and

> > the said

> > > > that was old news and the

> > > > > he

> > > > > > doesn't believe that anymore (Barb and

> > Phil, you

> > > > may want to take note of

> > > > > > this). He said that getting on T3 is

> > just fine

> > > > and that we shouldn't

> > > > > > reference things from him on the net

> > because

> > > > things change and he changes

> > > > > > his opinion based on those changes. So,

> > I

> > > > basically said that we weren't

> > > > > > doing things the right way, which we

> > aren't

> > > > because something is

> > > > > preventing

> > > > > > me from getting better, and he became

> > very

> > > > offended at this remark.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, I just don't know what to do at

> > this point. I

> > > > can't take the aromasin

> > > > > > anymore because it screws with me. I

> > took some

> > > > today along with a test

> > > > > cyp

> > > > > > shot and about a two hours later, felt

> > like I was

> > > > going to die. I took a

> > > > > nap

> > > > > > and I was awoken by a strange fatigue

> > that made

> > > > me feel like the very

> > > > > > essence was being sucked out of me.

> > And, it is

> > > > still giving me heart

> > > > > palps,

> > > > > > just not as bad. So, I may just throw

> > in the

> > > > towel. I would rather just

> > > > > > feel like shit than continue down this

> > roller

> > > > coaster ride. My physiology

> > > > > > is so screwed up that I don't think it

> > is

> > > > reparable. I mean, I feel like

> > > > > I

> > > > > > am doing more harm than good to my body

> > and my

> > > > physical apperance

> > > > > manifests

> > > > > > this...I look like complete hell...I

> > look worse

> > > > know than before I

> > > > > started

> > > > > > this whole thing.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I don'tk now,. If any of you have been

> > through

> > > > this, I would greatly

> > > > > > appreciate some advice. I was thinking

> > that my

> > > > only other option is to

> > > > > wean

> > > > > > off of everything and start over.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I don't know..this blows and I'm

> > getting tired of

> > > > it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Any help or advice is greatly

> > apprecaited.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > MIke

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --

> > > > > > *Mike*

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> > been

> > > > removed]

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > *Mike*

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Yes, my digestion is definitely screwed but I'm not sure what to do about it

though. Maybe I should visit that and see what I can come up with. Thanks.

Mike

On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 10:43 AM, mbmom123 <lathe30248@...> wrote:

>

>

> Mike, just some random thoughts --I recently (OCT 2010) weaned from

> Cortef-HC (20mg/day)..for me it was an easy wean because I was WAY over the

> time when I should have stopped the drug (1.5 yr --should probably never

> have started)in hindsight...I experienced muscle loss, thin skin,

> anxiety..you having a buffalo hump and moon face suggests very high cortisol

> (just as bad as low and same types of symptoms)....not sure why Dr. M is not

> hearing you on those obvious text book Cushing's symptoms..

>

> What I am doing now (I have been sick w/ bronchitis off and on since

> dropping HC)..seeing a D.O. who dx me with long term yeast/candida/toxic

> metals overload/inability to absorb magnesium--working on that, peeling back

> the onion as it were..getting IV magnesium/ IM vitamins and amino

> acids..(and I *thought* I had good digestion compared to most

>

> Maybe it's time to step back and evaluate digestion (all thyroid patients

> seem to have issues with this to some degree) nutritional status (maybe

> consult HARD on this)and re-evaluate needs with regard to cortisol (lowering

> dose)? EL

>

>

>

> >

> > Hey Group,

> >

> > I am at a loss for what to do. I just had a 30 minute appt with Dr. M,

> and

> > I spent the entire time arguing with him. I first discussed aldosterone

> and

> > florinef and even though my labs say that I should consider a trail dose

> of

> > it, he refuses to treat it. I had to basically beg him to even test for

> > it. Then, I asked him why my face is very puffy, my skin is thin and

> > horrible and why I am getting a buffalo hump (that was confirmed by my

> PT)

> > on the back of my neck. I said that it all sounds like I am on too much

> > medrol and he said that is impossible. I then asked what it culd be from

> and

> > he replied, " I don't know " and changed the subject. I then asked him

> about

> > getting on some NTH because of T4 and the brain and even referenced his

> post

> > from a while back regarding this and the said that was old news and the

> he

> > doesn't believe that anymore (Barb and Phil, you may want to take note of

> > this). He said that getting on T3 is just fine and that we shouldn't

> > reference things from him on the net because things change and he changes

> > his opinion based on those changes. So, I basically said that we weren't

> > doing things the right way, which we aren't because something is

> preventing

> > me from getting better, and he became very offended at this remark.

> >

> > So, I just don't know what to do at this point. I can't take the aromasin

> > anymore because it screws with me. I took some today along with a test

> cyp

> > shot and about a two hours later, felt like I was going to die. I took a

> nap

> > and I was awoken by a strange fatigue that made me feel like the very

> > essence was being sucked out of me. And, it is still giving me heart

> palps,

> > just not as bad. So, I may just throw in the towel. I would rather just

> > feel like shit than continue down this roller coaster ride. My physiology

> > is so screwed up that I don't think it is reparable. I mean, I feel like

> I

> > am doing more harm than good to my body and my physical apperance

> manifests

> > this...I look like complete hell...I look worse know than before I

> started

> > this whole thing.

> >

> > I don'tk now,. If any of you have been through this, I would greatly

> > appreciate some advice. I was thinking that my only other option is to

> wean

> > off of everything and start over.

> >

> > I don't know..this blows and I'm getting tired of it.

> >

> > Any help or advice is greatly apprecaited.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > MIke

> >

> > --

> > *Mike*

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Good points mbom123,

Here is what my Dr. dose to tell if I am on too much HC meds. He has me take my

morning dose of HC 10 mgs at about 6am I go in at 8 am and do labs fasting for

TRT and he check Cortisol levels. As long as I show a level this tells him my

Adreanls are still working not shut down (Cushing's symptoms). My labs come

back between 9 to 12 if the were say 3 or less he would have me cut back on my

dose of HC meds.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: mbmom123 <lathe30248@...>

> Subject: Re: Don't know what to do from here ...need help

>

> Date: Sunday, April 10, 2011, 12:43 PM

> Mike, just some random thoughts --I

> recently (OCT 2010) weaned from Cortef-HC (20mg/day)..for me

> it was an easy wean because I was WAY over the time when I

> should have stopped the drug (1.5 yr --should probably never

> have started)in hindsight...I experienced muscle loss, thin

> skin, anxiety..you having a buffalo hump and moon face

> suggests very high cortisol (just as bad as low and same

> types of symptoms)....not sure why Dr. M is not hearing you

> on those obvious text book Cushing's symptoms..

>

> What I am doing now (I have been sick w/ bronchitis off and

> on since dropping HC)..seeing a D.O. who dx me with long

> term yeast/candida/toxic metals overload/inability to absorb

> magnesium--working on that, peeling back the onion as it

> were..getting IV magnesium/ IM vitamins and amino

> acids..(and I *thought* I had good digestion compared to

> most

>

> Maybe it's time to step back and evaluate digestion (all

> thyroid patients seem to have issues with this to some

> degree) nutritional status (maybe consult HARD on this)and

> re-evaluate needs with regard to cortisol (lowering dose)?

> EL

>

>

>

> >

> > Hey Group,

> >

> > I am at a loss for what to do.  I just had a 30

> minute appt with Dr. M, and

> > I spent the entire time arguing with him.  I

> first discussed aldosterone and

> > florinef and even though my labs say that I should

> consider a trail dose of

> > it, he refuses to treat it.  I had to basically

> beg him to even test for

> > it.  Then, I asked him why my face is very puffy,

> my skin is thin and

> > horrible and why I am getting a buffalo hump (that was

> confirmed by my PT)

> > on the back of my neck. I said that it all sounds like

> I am on too much

> > medrol and he said that is impossible. I then asked

> what it culd be from and

> > he replied, " I don't know " and changed the

> subject.  I then asked him about

> > getting on some NTH because of T4 and the brain and

> even referenced his post

> > from a while back regarding this and the said that was

> old news and the he

> > doesn't believe that anymore (Barb and Phil, you may

> want to take note of

> > this).  He said that getting on T3 is just fine

> and that we shouldn't

> > reference things from him on the net because things

> change and he changes

> > his opinion based on those changes.  So, I

> basically said that we weren't

> > doing things the right way, which we aren't because

> something is preventing

> > me from getting better, and he became very offended at

> this remark.

> >

> > So, I just don't know what to do at this point. 

> I can't take the aromasin

> > anymore because it screws with me. I took some today

> along with a test cyp

> > shot and about a two hours later, felt like I was

> going to die. I took a nap

> > and I was awoken by a strange fatigue that made me

> feel like the very

> > essence was being sucked out of me. And, it is still

> giving me heart palps,

> > just not as bad.  So, I may just throw in the

> towel. I would rather just

> > feel like shit than continue down this roller coaster

> ride.  My physiology

> > is so screwed up that I don't think it is

> reparable.  I mean, I feel like I

> > am doing more harm than good to my body and my

> physical apperance manifests

> > this...I look like complete hell...I look worse know

> than before I started

> > this whole thing.

> >

> > I don'tk now,. If any of you have been through this, I

> would greatly

> > appreciate some advice.  I was thinking that my

> only other option is to wean

> > off of everything and start over.

> >

> > I don't know..this blows and I'm getting tired of it.

> >

> > Any help or advice is greatly apprecaited.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > MIke

> >

> > --

> > *Mike*

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I could not get my Vit. D levels up until I started taking this brand it comes

in 2000 IU's / drop I do 12 drops 24,000 IU's / day and I now take K2 vit.'s

with this. My levels now for Vit. D are.

Vitamin D, 25 OH Total 71 range 30 – 100 ng/mL.

Taking this.

http://www.evitamins.com/product.asp?pid=13834

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hey Mike,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The only idea which comes to my

> mind -

> > > change a doctor

> > > > > if possible. You

> > > > > > need fresh start. I know this

> feeling when i

> > > was

> > > > > arguing with psychiatric

> > > > > > doctors, before i discovered i

> have

> > > Hashimoto and etc.

> > > > > After theses argues i

> > > > > > felt so lonely and lost then i

> didn't want

> > > to do

> > > > > anything.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your doctor is not a God, you know

> you body

> > > better

> > > > > then any doctor.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Antanas

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hey Group,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am at a loss for what to

> do. I just

> > > had a 30

> > > > > minute appt with Dr. M,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > I spent the entire time

> arguing with

> > > him. I first

> > > > > discussed aldosterone

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > florinef and even though my

> labs say

> > > that I

> > > > > should consider a trail dose

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > it, he refuses to treat it. I

> had to

> > > basically

> > > > > beg him to even test for

> > > > > > > it. Then, I asked him why my

> face is

> > > very puffy,

> > > > > my skin is thin and

> > > > > > > horrible and why I am getting

> a buffalo

> > > hump

> > > > > (that was confirmed by my

> > > > > > PT)

> > > > > > > on the back of my neck. I

> said that it

> > > all sounds

> > > > > like I am on too much

> > > > > > > medrol and he said that is

> impossible.

> > > I then

> > > > > asked what it culd be from

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > he replied, " I don't know "

> and changed

> > > the

> > > > > subject. I then asked him

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > getting on some NTH because

> of T4 and

> > > the brain

> > > > > and even referenced his

> > > > > > post

> > > > > > > from a while back regarding

> this and

> > > the said

> > > > > that was old news and the

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > doesn't believe that anymore

> (Barb and

> > > Phil, you

> > > > > may want to take note of

> > > > > > > this). He said that getting

> on T3 is

> > > just fine

> > > > > and that we shouldn't

> > > > > > > reference things from him on

> the net

> > > because

> > > > > things change and he changes

> > > > > > > his opinion based on those

> changes. So,

> > > I

> > > > > basically said that we weren't

> > > > > > > doing things the right way,

> which we

> > > aren't

> > > > > because something is

> > > > > > preventing

> > > > > > > me from getting better, and

> he became

> > > very

> > > > > offended at this remark.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So, I just don't know what to

> do at

> > > this point. I

> > > > > can't take the aromasin

> > > > > > > anymore because it screws

> with me. I

> > > took some

> > > > > today along with a test

> > > > > > cyp

> > > > > > > shot and about a two hours

> later, felt

> > > like I was

> > > > > going to die. I took a

> > > > > > nap

> > > > > > > and I was awoken by a strange

> fatigue

> > > that made

> > > > > me feel like the very

> > > > > > > essence was being sucked out

> of me.

> > > And, it is

> > > > > still giving me heart

> > > > > > palps,

> > > > > > > just not as bad. So, I may

> just throw

> > > in the

> > > > > towel. I would rather just

> > > > > > > feel like shit than continue

> down this

> > > roller

> > > > > coaster ride. My physiology

> > > > > > > is so screwed up that I don't

> think it

> > > is

> > > > > reparable. I mean, I feel like

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > am doing more harm than good

> to my body

> > > and my

> > > > > physical apperance

> > > > > > manifests

> > > > > > > this...I look like complete

> hell...I

> > > look worse

> > > > > know than before I

> > > > > > started

> > > > > > > this whole thing.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I don'tk now,. If any of you

> have been

> > > through

> > > > > this, I would greatly

> > > > > > > appreciate some advice. I was

> thinking

> > > that my

> > > > > only other option is to

> > > > > > wean

> > > > > > > off of everything and start

> over.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I don't know..this blows and

> I'm

> > > getting tired of

> > > > > it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Any help or advice is

> greatly

> > > apprecaited.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > > MIke

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > *Mike*

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this

> message have

> > > been

> > > > > removed]

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > *Mike*

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> been

> > > removed]

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Do a consult with Hardasnails about this he is great at this and a mod for Dr.

M's forum.

hardasnails1973@...

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> >

> >

> > Mike, just some random thoughts --I recently (OCT

> 2010) weaned from

> > Cortef-HC (20mg/day)..for me it was an easy wean

> because I was WAY over the

> > time when I should have stopped the drug (1.5 yr

> --should probably never

> > have started)in hindsight...I experienced muscle loss,

> thin skin,

> > anxiety..you having a buffalo hump and moon face

> suggests very high cortisol

> > (just as bad as low and same types of symptoms)....not

> sure why Dr. M is not

> > hearing you on those obvious text book Cushing's

> symptoms..

> >

> > What I am doing now (I have been sick w/ bronchitis

> off and on since

> > dropping HC)..seeing a D.O. who dx me with long term

> yeast/candida/toxic

> > metals overload/inability to absorb magnesium--working

> on that, peeling back

> > the onion as it were..getting IV magnesium/ IM

> vitamins and amino

> > acids..(and I *thought* I had good digestion compared

> to most

> >

> > Maybe it's time to step back and evaluate digestion

> (all thyroid patients

> > seem to have issues with this to some degree)

> nutritional status (maybe

> > consult HARD on this)and re-evaluate needs with regard

> to cortisol (lowering

> > dose)? EL

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hey Group,

> > >

> > > I am at a loss for what to do. I just had a 30

> minute appt with Dr. M,

> > and

> > > I spent the entire time arguing with him. I first

> discussed aldosterone

> > and

> > > florinef and even though my labs say that I

> should consider a trail dose

> > of

> > > it, he refuses to treat it. I had to basically

> beg him to even test for

> > > it. Then, I asked him why my face is very puffy,

> my skin is thin and

> > > horrible and why I am getting a buffalo hump

> (that was confirmed by my

> > PT)

> > > on the back of my neck. I said that it all sounds

> like I am on too much

> > > medrol and he said that is impossible. I then

> asked what it culd be from

> > and

> > > he replied, " I don't know " and changed the

> subject. I then asked him

> > about

> > > getting on some NTH because of T4 and the brain

> and even referenced his

> > post

> > > from a while back regarding this and the said

> that was old news and the

> > he

> > > doesn't believe that anymore (Barb and Phil, you

> may want to take note of

> > > this). He said that getting on T3 is just fine

> and that we shouldn't

> > > reference things from him on the net because

> things change and he changes

> > > his opinion based on those changes. So, I

> basically said that we weren't

> > > doing things the right way, which we aren't

> because something is

> > preventing

> > > me from getting better, and he became very

> offended at this remark.

> > >

> > > So, I just don't know what to do at this point. I

> can't take the aromasin

> > > anymore because it screws with me. I took some

> today along with a test

> > cyp

> > > shot and about a two hours later, felt like I was

> going to die. I took a

> > nap

> > > and I was awoken by a strange fatigue that made

> me feel like the very

> > > essence was being sucked out of me. And, it is

> still giving me heart

> > palps,

> > > just not as bad. So, I may just throw in the

> towel. I would rather just

> > > feel like shit than continue down this roller

> coaster ride. My physiology

> > > is so screwed up that I don't think it is

> reparable. I mean, I feel like

> > I

> > > am doing more harm than good to my body and my

> physical apperance

> > manifests

> > > this...I look like complete hell...I look worse

> know than before I

> > started

> > > this whole thing.

> > >

> > > I don'tk now,. If any of you have been through

> this, I would greatly

> > > appreciate some advice. I was thinking that my

> only other option is to

> > wean

> > > off of everything and start over.

> > >

> > > I don't know..this blows and I'm getting tired of

> it.

> > >

> > > Any help or advice is greatly apprecaited.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > MIke

> > >

> > > --

> > > *Mike*

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> >

> > 

> >

>

>

>

> --

> *Mike*

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Barb,

I think the thing to realize, as you have eluded to in earlier emails, is

that no one treatment fits all. Some can do just fine on T3 only but I

think that Val and the gang get into trouble when they try to fit everyone

into that box. Which is funny because that is exactly what docs do.... So, I

think that Dr. M is just expanding his practice to include T3 only treatment

for those who really need it. I agree with you about the brain and T4

because I think I am one of those people who's brain needs T4. I do have

confidence in Dr. M, I just think that he is probably just a frustrated with

this as I am and maybe that is coming out in our appointments.

Phil,

Thanks for the link to the D3. I'll definitely look into that. And, I'll

also talk to HAN to see if he thinks he can help me or not.

Thanks again,

Mike

On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 11:10 AM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>wrote:

>

>

> Do a consult with Hardasnails about this he is great at this and a mod for

> Dr. M's forum.

> hardasnails1973@...

>

>

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Mike, just some random thoughts --I recently (OCT

> > 2010) weaned from

> > > Cortef-HC (20mg/day)..for me it was an easy wean

> > because I was WAY over the

> > > time when I should have stopped the drug (1.5 yr

> > --should probably never

> > > have started)in hindsight...I experienced muscle loss,

> > thin skin,

> > > anxiety..you having a buffalo hump and moon face

> > suggests very high cortisol

> > > (just as bad as low and same types of symptoms)....not

> > sure why Dr. M is not

> > > hearing you on those obvious text book Cushing's

> > symptoms..

> > >

> > > What I am doing now (I have been sick w/ bronchitis

> > off and on since

> > > dropping HC)..seeing a D.O. who dx me with long term

> > yeast/candida/toxic

> > > metals overload/inability to absorb magnesium--working

> > on that, peeling back

> > > the onion as it were..getting IV magnesium/ IM

> > vitamins and amino

> > > acids..(and I *thought* I had good digestion compared

> > to most

> > >

> > > Maybe it's time to step back and evaluate digestion

> > (all thyroid patients

> > > seem to have issues with this to some degree)

> > nutritional status (maybe

> > > consult HARD on this)and re-evaluate needs with regard

> > to cortisol (lowering

> > > dose)? EL

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Hey Group,

> > > >

> > > > I am at a loss for what to do. I just had a 30

> > minute appt with Dr. M,

> > > and

> > > > I spent the entire time arguing with him. I first

> > discussed aldosterone

> > > and

> > > > florinef and even though my labs say that I

> > should consider a trail dose

> > > of

> > > > it, he refuses to treat it. I had to basically

> > beg him to even test for

> > > > it. Then, I asked him why my face is very puffy,

> > my skin is thin and

> > > > horrible and why I am getting a buffalo hump

> > (that was confirmed by my

> > > PT)

> > > > on the back of my neck. I said that it all sounds

> > like I am on too much

> > > > medrol and he said that is impossible. I then

> > asked what it culd be from

> > > and

> > > > he replied, " I don't know " and changed the

> > subject. I then asked him

> > > about

> > > > getting on some NTH because of T4 and the brain

> > and even referenced his

> > > post

> > > > from a while back regarding this and the said

> > that was old news and the

> > > he

> > > > doesn't believe that anymore (Barb and Phil, you

> > may want to take note of

> > > > this). He said that getting on T3 is just fine

> > and that we shouldn't

> > > > reference things from him on the net because

> > things change and he changes

> > > > his opinion based on those changes. So, I

> > basically said that we weren't

> > > > doing things the right way, which we aren't

> > because something is

> > > preventing

> > > > me from getting better, and he became very

> > offended at this remark.

> > > >

> > > > So, I just don't know what to do at this point. I

> > can't take the aromasin

> > > > anymore because it screws with me. I took some

> > today along with a test

> > > cyp

> > > > shot and about a two hours later, felt like I was

> > going to die. I took a

> > > nap

> > > > and I was awoken by a strange fatigue that made

> > me feel like the very

> > > > essence was being sucked out of me. And, it is

> > still giving me heart

> > > palps,

> > > > just not as bad. So, I may just throw in the

> > towel. I would rather just

> > > > feel like shit than continue down this roller

> > coaster ride. My physiology

> > > > is so screwed up that I don't think it is

> > reparable. I mean, I feel like

> > > I

> > > > am doing more harm than good to my body and my

> > physical apperance

> > > manifests

> > > > this...I look like complete hell...I look worse

> > know than before I

> > > started

> > > > this whole thing.

> > > >

> > > > I don'tk now,. If any of you have been through

> > this, I would greatly

> > > > appreciate some advice. I was thinking that my

> > only other option is to

> > > wean

> > > > off of everything and start over.

> > > >

> > > > I don't know..this blows and I'm getting tired of

> > it.

> > > >

> > > > Any help or advice is greatly apprecaited.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > MIke

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > *Mike*

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > *Mike*

> >

> >

> >