Re: Re: hcg dosage and how long for effect?

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the reply and the link, I'll dig into it.

Unfortunately he won't proscribe HCG... period. He even went on to say

that the T that I'd be taking would HELP my fertility and increase the

size of my testes etc. Which is contrary to everything I've read, both

on forums and in medical papers. He said that he wanted me to take the

5g dose the first month to " get used to it " .. then increase it to 10g to

get me to the " proper levels " .

My kinda plan is to well, let him think I'm taking the T but in reality

take the hcg... that way he'll order the labs I need to make sure things

are balanced and that my kidneys, liver etc. etc. aren't suffering. I'm

still not sure I want to do this as I don't like being anything other

than fully honest.

The other option that I thought of was to do those mail-in saliva

tests... they're cheap enough that I could afford to do them once in a

while.... not often maybe, but a few times a year at least.

As for where I'm at, I'm in North Central PA... Philly is about 3.5-4

hours from me.

I'm really hoping the HCG works that fast. But will be patient with it.

I'll give it at least TWO days! ;-)

LostOne0069

On 1/27/2010 7:58 PM, wrote:

>

> I can't think of any good reason to start with 5 gms of T if there is no

> plan to test before upping to the 10gm dose.... better to just start at

> 10 gms.

>

> Here is some support and guidance about hCG

> http://www.allthingsmale.com/word_docs/HCGupdate.doc

> <http://www.allthingsmale.com/word_docs/HCGupdate.doc>

>

> Being Secondary you may get some good T production with regular hCG use.

> Would your doctor prescribe as a trial? Perhaps if you got a script but

> did not fill through insurance? Among the complications of

> self-prescribing is still the need for lab testing. Some people go it

> alone but fully consider.

>

> Without everyone being aware of the hCG the T dose may be adjusted

> downward to get down to 750-800. 800 may not actually be high enough

> and kind of shows that the doctor is a total T numbers guy and will not

> be looking at bioavaialble T, SBHG, or possibly even E2. The bottom line

> is you may not have the doctor you want for proper care.... let's hope I

> am wrong. Do you live anywhere near Lansing, Phily, or CA?

>

> YMMV, but you may realize the benefits of hCG the same day.

>

>

> >

> > OK, so I went to the endo today... he says that they only use hcg for

> > fertility treatments and only until the wife is pregnant... and only

> > with tons of other fertility type treatment for both man and woman.

> >

> > none of which we want or is covered by insurance.

> >

> > So he gave me androgel. 5mg a day for the first month then 10 mg a

> day

> > after that.

> >

> > He says I'm secondary and that his goal is to get my T into the

> 750-800

> > range.

> >

> > I go in for blood work in 3 months to see where I'm at.

> >

> > So.... I'd like to use hcg anyway. I'm tired of doctors blowing me

> > off. (this is the 4th one). I've ordered HCG from ADC.

> >

> > What kind of dosage should I start with? My T is at 127 last test 4

> > months ago. Normal range 250-1100.

> >

> > My body weight is 310 (yeah, I'm fat... hoping the T might help a bit

> > there too) 5'8

> >

> > From what I've read/resarched, I'm expecting to need around

> 250iu-350iu

> > per day.

> >

> > How long from when I start injecting the hcg will it take until my T

> > levels go up? How long until I should notice a difference in how I

> feel?

> >

> > Sorry for the rambling.... but after a full year of trying to get

> > doctors to help me and a full year of being ignored... I'm fed up.

> >

> > LostOne0069

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Your Dr. an Endo is not up on TRT he is trying but you don't go on 5 g's of gel

then go up to 10 g's with out testing first. Most good Dr. will start you on 5

g's then test you in 2 weeks to be sure the dose is working and the gel is

getting through your skin. Here is what I tell me starting on gels.

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Yes this happens a lot you start on a low starting dose 5 grams when your brain

sees the testosterone in your blood even just a little it slows down even stops

sending the LH and FSH message to your testis to make the Testosterone you were

making. So lets say your labs for Total T were 350 you add this dose of gel

your brain sees this and you lose the base level you had before the gel.

Now lets say you need more then 5 grams most do so now all your left with is

what the gel is doing so lets say it's doing 200 so you lost 150.

The reason you feel good is your levels go up that 200 the gel is doing in the

first 2 weeks so your levels go up to 550 in theory. The brain sees this and

you fall back.

Why can this happen it might be how your putting on the gel with Androgel you

need to spread it over your upper arms and shoulders and down your back as far

as you can reach this is half of your dose then do the other side. Just spread

it over the area but don't rub it in.

The other thing is it's not getting through your skin good so you need more. If

you have a thyroid problem your skin will become thicker and gels and creams

don't get through the skin and you need to switch to shots.

I tell men when they go on Gels to retest in 2 weeks because you can end up

feeling worse. Most me just need more gel. Dr.'s that tell men to go on 5

grams of gel and come back in 8 to 12 weeks for labs don't know much about the

use of gels. Dr.'s that treat a lot of men for low T on gels see this happen

and test them again in 2 weeks.

Call your Dr. and tell him this and that your not feeling good you were but fell

back.

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You got some good input from and yes if you can see Hardasnails and Dr. O

do it or see if your Family Dr. will work with Dr. over the phone this way

your Family Dr. will learn about TRT on your dime. www.allthingsmale.com when

you go to his site read TRT: A Recipe for Success and his HCG Update he puts

this out there free for you and your Dr.

You say your Secondary I am it's called for men Hypopituitary mine is due to a

head injury. Can you get your labs and post them with the units and ranges.

This helps if you are Secondary you need all your Hormones tested for some

people with a Pituitary Problem they don't make enough of all the hormones.

Most Dr.'s will not see this they look for you to be in the range yet for things

like Cortisol and Thyroid labs might be in range but your still to low.

Men that are Secondary adding HCG acts like LH and it will make your Testis make

there own Testosterone. And being on gels if your Thyroid is low your skin can

become thinker and gels don't get through.

Why pay a Dr. to treat you then go behind his back and add HCG this is nuts find

a good Dr.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > I can't think of any good reason to start with 5 gms

> of T if there is no

> > plan to test before upping to the 10gm dose.... better

> to just start at

> > 10 gms.

> >

> > Here is some support and guidance about hCG

> > http://www.allthingsmale.com/word_docs/HCGupdate.doc

> > <http://www.allthingsmale.com/word_docs/HCGupdate.doc>

> >

> > Being Secondary you may get some good T production

> with regular hCG use.

> > Would your doctor prescribe as a trial? Perhaps if you

> got a script but

> > did not fill through insurance? Among the

> complications of

> > self-prescribing is still the need for lab testing.

> Some people go it

> > alone but fully consider.

> >

> > Without everyone being aware of the hCG the T dose may

> be adjusted

> > downward to get down to 750-800. 800 may not actually

> be high enough

> > and kind of shows that the doctor is a total T numbers

> guy and will not

> > be looking at bioavaialble T, SBHG, or possibly even

> E2. The bottom line

> > is you may not have the doctor you want for proper

> care.... let's hope I

> > am wrong. Do you live anywhere near Lansing, Phily, or

> CA?

> >

> > YMMV, but you may realize the benefits of hCG the same

> day.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > OK, so I went to the endo today... he says that

> they only use hcg for

> > > fertility treatments and only until the wife is

> pregnant... and only

> > > with tons of other fertility type treatment for

> both man and woman.

> > >

> > > none of which we want or is covered by

> insurance.

> > >

> > > So he gave me androgel. 5mg a day for the first

> month then 10 mg a

> > day

> > > after that.

> > >

> > > He says I'm secondary and that his goal is to get

> my T into the

> > 750-800

> > > range.

> > >

> > > I go in for blood work in 3 months to see where

> I'm at.

> > >

> > > So.... I'd like to use hcg anyway. I'm tired of

> doctors blowing me

> > > off. (this is the 4th one). I've ordered HCG from

> ADC.

> > >

> > > What kind of dosage should I start with? My T is

> at 127 last test 4

> > > months ago. Normal range 250-1100.

> > >

> > > My body weight is 310 (yeah, I'm fat... hoping

> the T might help a bit

> > > there too) 5'8

> > >

> > > From what I've read/resarched, I'm expecting to

> need around

> > 250iu-350iu

> > > per day.

> > >

> > > How long from when I start injecting the hcg will

> it take until my T

> > > levels go up? How long until I should notice a

> difference in how I

> > feel?

> > >

> > > Sorry for the rambling.... but after a full year

> of trying to get

> > > doctors to help me and a full year of being

> ignored... I'm fed up.

> > >

> > > LostOne0069

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:58:09 -0000, you wrote:

>

>I can't think of any good reason to start with 5 gms of T if there is no

>plan to test before upping to the 10gm dose.... better to just start at

>10 gms.

He may be being cautious about prostate cancer. He may want to start

slowly and check PSA before going to full dosage.

[Guest guest]

Nope,

He said it was to " get me used to it " . I don't see him or get labs for 3

months.

On 1/28/2010 1:27 PM, retrogrouch@... wrote:

>

> On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:58:09 -0000, you wrote:

>

> >

> >I can't think of any good reason to start with 5 gms of T if there is no

> >plan to test before upping to the 10gm dose.... better to just start at

> >10 gms.

>

> He may be being cautious about prostate cancer. He may want to start

> slowly and check PSA before going to full dosage.

>

>