Re: High testosterone and liver

[Guest guest]

All I can tell you is your levels for 3 days after the shot are low most would

be up into the 1400. So your Dr. is not right about this and as for your liver

redo the testing but do the next test on the morning of your next shot but

before it.

If you do this on one lab test and crash only to find out later your labs were

off it's all for nothing. I have lost count how many times my labs came back

wrong. My Dr. dose not change my meds on one lab test he redose them. And Hosp.

labs I feel are not all that great. Get your labs done at Quest labs or

Labcorp.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: kingnayar@... <kingnayar@...>

> Subject: High testosterone and liver

>

> Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 5:03 PM

> Hi Phil, hello everybody

> After 2 years in hands of an urologist who kept me on 200mg

> T shots every week that raised my T levels to around 750

> only, I made the decision to try by myself. January 26/10 I

> started doing 100mg T shots weekly and 250 UI's HCG on days

> 5 and 6. I also started 1 DIM tablet a day. The first 2

> weeks I felt a notable improvement in my libido and sexual

> function, but it disappeared in the subsequent weeks. I

> guess my E-2 was high already and it skyrocketed by adding

> HCG, and DIM has not been enough to drop it. Last week I

> asked my family doctor to help me and he ordered some lab

> tests, but not all the ones that should be done. Impossible

> to convince him how important is to test E-2, SHBG, Free T,

> etc.

> I do my T shot every Tuesday, so the doctor ordered to do

> the lab test last Friday, just when T levels were reaching

> its peak. Well, he jus called me today, alarmed because: 1)

> my total T is 1069, " too high " for a 281-827 lab's range in

> a public hospital; 2) blood test shows something is wrong

> with my liver; 3) He say high testosterone could be

> affecting my liver. He want me lower my T levels to around

> 800, so told me to do 100mg Testo EVERY 2 WEEKS AND STOP HCG

> SHOTS. He is going to order an MRI of my liver and another

> MRI to check my pituitary. After 2 years on testosterone

> therapy, I don't know whether checking my pituitary can make

> a difference.

> I know the doctor is worried about my liver and try to do

> what he think is right, butI think he is not focusing the

> problem correctly. I suspect my main problem is convertion

> of testosterone to estrogen, but no test was done on this

> matter. I going to test my E-2 ASAP to make sure if I need

> to take Arimidex or not. Probably I must lower my T dose,

> but I'm skeptical  about 100mg every 2 weeks is the

> right one, it will make me crash. I don't know whether stop

> HCG shots since I'm sure it helped me to rise my total T to

> 1069, a scary number for my doctor.

> Do you think this reading (1069) is realy too high

> considering the blood test was done midweek, I mean, 3 days

> after my T shot?

> Should I listen to my doctor and do only 100mg T every 2

> weeks, or must still in both testosterone and HCG at lower

> dose? What dose do you sugest?

> If I still on HCG, could it affect my pituitary MRI

> results?

> What have you heard about testosterone affecting the

> liver?.

> Thank for your opinion and advice. Sorry I can't post my

> lab results, I don't get it yet.

> Again, excuse my English. Thanks.

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

The question is how do you feel?

Were is your e2, SHBG thyroid parameters and also adrenal function

when on 200 mgs a week when was the blood drawn in relationship to the shot?

Did you work out or drink alcohol before the blood test.

IF liver enyzme are high we find that low thyroid can also cause elevated liver

enyzme ALT

>

> Hi Phil, hello everybody

> After 2 years in hands of an urologist who kept me on 200mg T shots every week

that raised my T levels to around 750 only, I made the decision to try by

myself. January 26/10 I started doing 100mg T shots weekly and 250 UI's HCG on

days 5 and 6. I also started 1 DIM tablet a day. The first 2 weeks I felt a

notable improvement in my libido and sexual function, but it disappeared in the

subsequent weeks. I guess my E-2 was high already and it skyrocketed by adding

HCG, and DIM has not been enough to drop it. Last week I asked my family doctor

to help me and he ordered some lab tests, but not all the ones that should be

done. Impossible to convince him how important is to test E-2, SHBG, Free T,

etc.

> I do my T shot every Tuesday, so the doctor ordered to do the lab test last

Friday, just when T levels were reaching its peak. Well, he jus called me today,

alarmed because: 1) my total T is 1069, " too high " for a 281-827 lab's range in

a public hospital; 2) blood test shows something is wrong with my liver; 3) He

say high testosterone could be affecting my liver. He want me lower my T levels

to around 800, so told me to do 100mg Testo EVERY 2 WEEKS AND STOP HCG SHOTS. He

is going to order an MRI of my liver and another MRI to check my pituitary.

After 2 years on testosterone therapy, I don't know whether checking my

pituitary can make a difference.

> I know the doctor is worried about my liver and try to do what he think is

right, butI think he is not focusing the problem correctly. I suspect my main

problem is convertion of testosterone to estrogen, but no test was done on this

matter. I going to test my E-2 ASAP to make sure if I need to take Arimidex or

not. Probably I must lower my T dose, but I'm skeptical about 100mg every 2

weeks is the right one, it will make me crash. I don't know whether stop HCG

shots since I'm sure it helped me to rise my total T to 1069, a scary number for

my doctor.

> Do you think this reading (1069) is realy too high considering the blood test

was done midweek, I mean, 3 days after my T shot?

> Should I listen to my doctor and do only 100mg T every 2 weeks, or must still

in both testosterone and HCG at lower dose? What dose do you sugest?

> If I still on HCG, could it affect my pituitary MRI results?

> What have you heard about testosterone affecting the liver?.

> Thank for your opinion and advice. Sorry I can't post my lab results, I don't

get it yet.

> Again, excuse my English. Thanks.

>

[Guest guest]

Right and to tell the man to lower his dose or even stop TRT with out more

testing is dam NUTS.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

> Subject: Re: High testosterone and liver

>

> Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 8:04 AM

> The question is how do you feel?

>

> Were is your e2, SHBG thyroid parameters and also adrenal

> function

> when on 200 mgs a week when was the blood drawn in

> relationship to the shot?

>

> Did you work out or drink alcohol before the blood test.

> IF liver enyzme are high we find that low thyroid can also

> cause elevated liver enyzme ALT

>

> >

> > Hi Phil, hello everybody

> > After 2 years in hands of an urologist who kept me on

> 200mg T shots every week that raised my T levels to around

> 750 only, I made the decision to try by myself. January

> 26/10 I started doing 100mg T shots weekly and 250 UI's HCG

> on days 5 and 6. I also started 1 DIM tablet a day. The

> first 2 weeks I felt a notable improvement in my libido and

> sexual function, but it disappeared in the subsequent weeks.

> I guess my E-2 was high already and it skyrocketed by adding

> HCG, and DIM has not been enough to drop it. Last week I

> asked my family doctor to help me and he ordered some lab

> tests, but not all the ones that should be done. Impossible

> to convince him how important is to test E-2, SHBG, Free T,

> etc.

> > I do my T shot every Tuesday, so the doctor ordered to

> do the lab test last Friday, just when T levels were

> reaching its peak. Well, he jus called me today, alarmed

> because: 1) my total T is 1069, " too high " for a 281-827

> lab's range in a public hospital; 2) blood test shows

> something is wrong with my liver; 3) He say high

> testosterone could be affecting my liver. He want me lower

> my T levels to around 800, so told me to do 100mg Testo

> EVERY 2 WEEKS AND STOP HCG SHOTS. He is going to order an

> MRI of my liver and another MRI to check my pituitary. After

> 2 years on testosterone therapy, I don't know whether

> checking my pituitary can make a difference.

> > I know the doctor is worried about my liver and try to

> do what he think is right, butI think he is not focusing the

> problem correctly. I suspect my main problem is convertion

> of testosterone to estrogen, but no test was done on this

> matter. I going to test my E-2 ASAP to make sure if I need

> to take Arimidex or not. Probably I must lower my T dose,

> but I'm skeptical  about 100mg every 2 weeks is the

> right one, it will make me crash. I don't know whether stop

> HCG shots since I'm sure it helped me to rise my total T to

> 1069, a scary number for my doctor.

> > Do you think this reading (1069) is realy too high

> considering the blood test was done midweek, I mean, 3 days

> after my T shot?

> > Should I listen to my doctor and do only 100mg T every

> 2 weeks, or must still in both testosterone and HCG at lower

> dose? What dose do you sugest?

> > If I still on HCG, could it affect my pituitary MRI

> results?

> > What have you heard about testosterone affecting the

> liver?.

> > Thank for your opinion and advice. Sorry I can't post

> my lab results, I don't get it yet.

> > Again, excuse my English. Thanks.

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

In my case Phil I stopped because my T levels were good prior to TRT.

Are there certain side effects from stopping aside from the intial crash?

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Re: High testosterone and liver

>

> Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 8:04 AM

> The question is how do you feel?

>

> Were is your e2, SHBG thyroid parameters and also adrenal

> function

> when on 200 mgs a week when was the blood drawn in

> relationship to the shot?

>

> Did you work out or drink alcohol before the blood test.

> IF liver enyzme are high we find that low thyroid can also

> cause elevated liver enyzme ALT

>

> >

> > Hi Phil, hello everybody

> > After 2 years in hands of an urologist who kept me on

> 200mg T shots every week that raised my T levels to around

> 750 only, I made the decision to try by myself. January

> 26/10 I started doing 100mg T shots weekly and 250 UI's HCG

> on days 5 and 6. I also started 1 DIM tablet a day. The

> first 2 weeks I felt a notable improvement in my libido and

> sexual function, but it disappeared in the subsequent weeks.

> I guess my E-2 was high already and it skyrocketed by adding

> HCG, and DIM has not been enough to drop it. Last week I

> asked my family doctor to help me and he ordered some lab

> tests, but not all the ones that should be done. Impossible

> to convince him how important is to test E-2, SHBG, Free T,

> etc.

> > I do my T shot every Tuesday, so the doctor ordered to

> do the lab test last Friday, just when T levels were

> reaching its peak. Well, he jus called me today, alarmed

> because: 1) my total T is 1069, " too high " for a 281-827

> lab's range in a public hospital; 2) blood test shows

> something is wrong with my liver; 3) He say high

> testosterone could be affecting my liver. He want me lower

> my T levels to around 800, so told me to do 100mg Testo

> EVERY 2 WEEKS AND STOP HCG SHOTS. He is going to order an

> MRI of my liver and another MRI to check my pituitary. After

> 2 years on testosterone therapy, I don't know whether

> checking my pituitary can make a difference.

> > I know the doctor is worried about my liver and try to

> do what he think is right, butI think he is not focusing the

> problem correctly. I suspect my main problem is convertion

> of testosterone to estrogen, but no test was done on this

> matter. I going to test my E-2 ASAP to make sure if I need

> to take Arimidex or not. Probably I must lower my T dose,

> but I'm skeptical  about 100mg every 2 weeks is the

> right one, it will make me crash. I don't know whether stop

> HCG shots since I'm sure it helped me to rise my total T to

> 1069, a scary number for my doctor.

> > Do you think this reading (1069) is realy too high

> considering the blood test was done midweek, I mean, 3 days

> after my T shot?

> > Should I listen to my doctor and do only 100mg T every

> 2 weeks, or must still in both testosterone and HCG at lower

> dose? What dose do you sugest?

> > If I still on HCG, could it affect my pituitary MRI

> results?

> > What have you heard about testosterone affecting the

> liver?.

> > Thank for your opinion and advice. Sorry I can't post

> my lab results, I don't get it yet.

> > Again, excuse my English. Thanks.

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's different for everyone some don't feel all that back others crash hard and

feel dam sick I have read of men going to the ER they felt so bad. Some men

that did not need TRT and were not on meds a long time less then 45 days feel

off then there levels go back up. My Friend Hardasnails and Dr. O treated a

men's thyroid and took him off TRT and his levels came back up and kept going up

until he was normal.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

> > Subject: Re: High testosterone and

> liver

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 8:04 AM

> > The question is how do you feel?

> >

> > Were is your e2, SHBG thyroid parameters and also

> adrenal

> > function

> > when on 200 mgs a week when was the blood drawn in

> > relationship to the shot?

> >

> > Did you work out or drink alcohol before the blood

> test.

> > IF liver enyzme are high we find that low thyroid can

> also

> > cause elevated liver enyzme ALT

> >

> > >

> > > Hi Phil, hello everybody

> > > After 2 years in hands of an urologist who kept

> me on

> > 200mg T shots every week that raised my T levels to

> around

> > 750 only, I made the decision to try by myself.

> January

> > 26/10 I started doing 100mg T shots weekly and 250

> UI's HCG

> > on days 5 and 6. I also started 1 DIM tablet a day.

> The

> > first 2 weeks I felt a notable improvement in my

> libido and

> > sexual function, but it disappeared in the subsequent

> weeks.

> > I guess my E-2 was high already and it skyrocketed by

> adding

> > HCG, and DIM has not been enough to drop it. Last week

> I

> > asked my family doctor to help me and he ordered some

> lab

> > tests, but not all the ones that should be done.

> Impossible

> > to convince him how important is to test E-2, SHBG,

> Free T,

> > etc.

> > > I do my T shot every Tuesday, so the doctor

> ordered to

> > do the lab test last Friday, just when T levels were

> > reaching its peak. Well, he jus called me today,

> alarmed

> > because: 1) my total T is 1069, " too high " for a

> 281-827

> > lab's range in a public hospital; 2) blood test shows

> > something is wrong with my liver; 3) He say high

> > testosterone could be affecting my liver. He want me

> lower

> > my T levels to around 800, so told me to do 100mg

> Testo

> > EVERY 2 WEEKS AND STOP HCG SHOTS. He is going to order

> an

> > MRI of my liver and another MRI to check my pituitary.

> After

> > 2 years on testosterone therapy, I don't know whether

> > checking my pituitary can make a difference.

> > > I know the doctor is worried about my liver and

> try to

> > do what he think is right, butI think he is not

> focusing the

> > problem correctly. I suspect my main problem is

> convertion

> > of testosterone to estrogen, but no test was done on

> this

> > matter. I going to test my E-2 ASAP to make sure if I

> need

> > to take Arimidex or not. Probably I must lower my T

> dose,

> > but I'm skeptical  about 100mg every 2 weeks is the

> > right one, it will make me crash. I don't know whether

> stop

> > HCG shots since I'm sure it helped me to rise my total

> T to

> > 1069, a scary number for my doctor.

> > > Do you think this reading (1069) is realy too

> high

> > considering the blood test was done midweek, I mean, 3

> days

> > after my T shot?

> > > Should I listen to my doctor and do only 100mg T

> every

> > 2 weeks, or must still in both testosterone and HCG at

> lower

> > dose? What dose do you sugest?

> > > If I still on HCG, could it affect my pituitary

> MRI

> > results?

> > > What have you heard about testosterone affecting

> the

> > liver?.

> > > Thank for your opinion and advice. Sorry I can't

> post

> > my lab results, I don't get it yet.

> > > Again, excuse my English. Thanks.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thank you for answer. I just came back from work.

I feel good in terms of mood and physical energy. However, my libido is very low

and my erections are weak.

I'm embarrased for not to be able to answer most of your questions. I swear that

I'm tired to ask every doctor I have had to order the necessary lab tests to

know how is my E-2, SHBG and adrenal function, but they don't listen 'cause they

know little or nothing about TRT and for same reason they are not methodical.

When I was on 200 mg T a week the blood drawn was done any day at any time every

3 months first and every 6 months later. I know I should look for a true expert

on TRT, but I can't 'cause currently I'm in a low income situation. By now, the

only thing I can do is try to still getting my testosterone prescriptions from

my family doctor and do the lab tests he refuses to order. Since your point of

view, and considering my precarious finances, what lab tests are absolutly

necessary to do?

Yes, I made a big mistake: I drank a six pack beer two days before the lab test.

It is stupid drinking alcohol while in TRT, I guess. No more drinking.

Thanks for your help.

> >

> > Hi Phil, hello everybody

> > After 2 years in hands of an urologist who kept me on 200mg T shots every

week that raised my T levels to around 750 only, I made the decision to try by

myself. January 26/10 I started doing 100mg T shots weekly and 250 UI's HCG on

days 5 and 6. I also started 1 DIM tablet a day. The first 2 weeks I felt a

notable improvement in my libido and sexual function, but it disappeared in the

subsequent weeks. I guess my E-2 was high already and it skyrocketed by adding

HCG, and DIM has not been enough to drop it. Last week I asked my family doctor

to help me and he ordered some lab tests, but not all the ones that should be

done. Impossible to convince him how important is to test E-2, SHBG, Free T,

etc.

> > I do my T shot every Tuesday, so the doctor ordered to do the lab test last

Friday, just when T levels were reaching its peak. Well, he jus called me today,

alarmed because: 1) my total T is 1069, " too high " for a 281-827 lab's range in

a public hospital; 2) blood test shows something is wrong with my liver; 3) He

say high testosterone could be affecting my liver. He want me lower my T levels

to around 800, so told me to do 100mg Testo EVERY 2 WEEKS AND STOP HCG SHOTS. He

is going to order an MRI of my liver and another MRI to check my pituitary.

After 2 years on testosterone therapy, I don't know whether checking my

pituitary can make a difference.

> > I know the doctor is worried about my liver and try to do what he think is

right, butI think he is not focusing the problem correctly. I suspect my main

problem is convertion of testosterone to estrogen, but no test was done on this

matter. I going to test my E-2 ASAP to make sure if I need to take Arimidex or

not. Probably I must lower my T dose, but I'm skeptical about 100mg every 2

weeks is the right one, it will make me crash. I don't know whether stop HCG

shots since I'm sure it helped me to rise my total T to 1069, a scary number for

my doctor.

> > Do you think this reading (1069) is realy too high considering the blood

test was done midweek, I mean, 3 days after my T shot?

> > Should I listen to my doctor and do only 100mg T every 2 weeks, or must

still in both testosterone and HCG at lower dose? What dose do you sugest?

> > If I still on HCG, could it affect my pituitary MRI results?

> > What have you heard about testosterone affecting the liver?.

> > Thank for your opinion and advice. Sorry I can't post my lab results, I

don't get it yet.

> > Again, excuse my English. Thanks.

> >

>