Re: Question about Testosterone Therapy

[Guest guest]

Hi noslo5pt0 and Welcome,

We have men here on TRT that had testis cancer and are doing fine. Your levels

even in the normal range are low if the labs were done first thing in the

morning. Levels fall going into the day. Endo's here in MI. are not good for

low Testosterone. I have seen 7 in the last 28 yrs not one was any good.

You can try my Dr. he is just north of M-59 off I-75 and dam good at TRT. Dr.

s 248 377 0600 Tell him Phil sent you.

Here are some links to read about this problem that will help you understand

about this problem.

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=450553

http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html

The bottom line to this is you need to get your TT levels up into the upper 1/3

of your labs range and to keep your Estradiol levels down to about 20 pg/ml then

go by how you feel. Estradiol when to high or to low will kill your sex life

and hold back the good the Testosterone meds do for you.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: noslo5pt0 <no_reply >

> Subject: Question about Testosterone Therapy

>

> Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 7:54 PM

> Hello, new to the group and am

> looking for some advice.

>

> A little background info. I'm 37. I was diagnosed with

> testicular cancer in December of '05. I had my right

> testicle removed and preventive radiation therapy.

>

> A year ago, I had my testosterone levels checked by my

> regular doctor because I was noticing some of the common

> symptoms of low T; fatigue, low sex drive, problems gaining

> muscle mass (I'm an avid weight lifter).

>

> My levels came back as total T of 246 ng/dL. My doctor said

> those are on the low side but lets try another blood test in

> a couple of months to see if the levels are different. 2

> months later I had another blood test and this time it came

> back total T of 331 ng/dl and free T of 14.2 ng/dl. My

> doctor said those are " normal " levels and not to worry about

> it. I never pursued it any further because he wasn't going

> to do anything for me.

>

> Last week I had my annual checkup with my Urologist and

> showed him my results from a yr ago and told him my

> symptoms. He said they are low but still " normal " but lets

> get another test as long as I'm already getting blood work

> done. I got the results yesterday and he said I'm @ 320

> ng/dL total T. Again, he stated they are low but still

> considered normal (250 - 1000 ng/dL being normal) and that

> he doesn't recommend TRT.

>

> Judging from some of the charts I've seen online I have the

> T level of a 85 yr old! I really want to pursue this because

> I feel like garbage even though I lead a pretty healthy

> lifestyle; diet, exercise, etc.

>

> Does anybody have any advice? Should I see a

> Endocrinologist or a different type of doctor? Does anybody

> have any recommendations for a doctor familiar with TRT in

> the West Michigan area?

>

> FWIW, I know of allthingsmale.com and they are in Lansing

> but it is WAY too expensive.

>

> Thanks!

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey welcome to the group -

 

With a Total T in the 300's you are probably going to find it hard to find a Dr.

that will start you on TRT even though you are at the lower end of the range.

The reason for this is liablity on the part of the Dr. who prescribes anything

even close to a steroid. They are srutinized for doing so. With that said a good

approach might be that you want to continue to pursue an active weight lifting

regiment and you need your T higher than what you are to get the results you

want. Additionally if you are having symptoms of low T this is not good long

term either. Remember TRT is for life. The other thing you have going against

you is that Drs. are very touchy about administering TRT if you have cancer.

Most on this forum believe that TRT does not cause testicular cancer but if you

already have it, it can accellerate it or some reports say. Have you ever had

your estradiol checked? If it is high (>20) then another option might be to go

on arimidex to reduce

the conversion of T to E2. This can raise your T as much as 200 ng/dl if E2 is

high. Arkansas

From: noslo5pt0 <no_reply >

Subject: Question about Testosterone Therapy

Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 6:54 PM

 

Hello, new to the group and am looking for some advice.

A little background info. I'm 37. I was diagnosed with testicular cancer in

December of '05. I had my right testicle removed and preventive radiation

therapy.

A year ago, I had my testosterone levels checked by my regular doctor because I

was noticing some of the common symptoms of low T; fatigue, low sex drive,

problems gaining muscle mass (I'm an avid weight lifter).

My levels came back as total T of 246 ng/dL. My doctor said those are on the low

side but lets try another blood test in a couple of months to see if the levels

are different. 2 months later I had another blood test and this time it came

back total T of 331 ng/dl and free T of 14.2 ng/dl. My doctor said those are

" normal " levels and not to worry about it. I never pursued it any further

because he wasn't going to do anything for me.

Last week I had my annual checkup with my Urologist and showed him my results

from a yr ago and told him my symptoms. He said they are low but still " normal "

but lets get another test as long as I'm already getting blood work done. I got

the results yesterday and he said I'm @ 320 ng/dL total T. Again, he stated they

are low but still considered normal (250 - 1000 ng/dL being normal) and that he

doesn't recommend TRT.

Judging from some of the charts I've seen online I have the T level of a 85 yr

old! I really want to pursue this because I feel like garbage even though I lead

a pretty healthy lifestyle; diet, exercise, etc.

Does anybody have any advice? Should I see a Endocrinologist or a different type

of doctor? Does anybody have any recommendations for a doctor familiar with TRT

in the West Michigan area?

FWIW, I know of allthingsmale. com and they are in Lansing but it is WAY too

expensive.

Thanks!

[Guest guest]

noslo5pt0,

I'm a TC survivor from 2002. Did you get your T checked prior to your surgery so

a baseline could be established? Probably not because uro's are assholes and

only know the prostate. I asked my uro to test for T presurgery and he said it

wasn't necessary. I dropped it. Because I didn't know what my level was, I payed

for it feeling like crap the last few years.

Anyway, your T is too low, bottom line. Drop those doctors and look in the

database of this forum for a doctor that may be close to you. Don't take no for

an answer. You know you don't feel well. Drop any doctor that won't help you.

There's only a handful of docs that are good with the hormones. Keep current to

this forum and you'll find them quickly.

>

> Hello, new to the group and am looking for some advice.

>

> A little background info. I'm 37. I was diagnosed with testicular cancer in

December of '05. I had my right testicle removed and preventive radiation

therapy.

>

> A year ago, I had my testosterone levels checked by my regular doctor because

I was noticing some of the common symptoms of low T; fatigue, low sex drive,

problems gaining muscle mass (I'm an avid weight lifter).

>

> My levels came back as total T of 246 ng/dL. My doctor said those are on the

low side but lets try another blood test in a couple of months to see if the

levels are different. 2 months later I had another blood test and this time it

came back total T of 331 ng/dl and free T of 14.2 ng/dl. My doctor said those

are " normal " levels and not to worry about it. I never pursued it any further

because he wasn't going to do anything for me.

>

> Last week I had my annual checkup with my Urologist and showed him my results

from a yr ago and told him my symptoms. He said they are low but still " normal "

but lets get another test as long as I'm already getting blood work done. I got

the results yesterday and he said I'm @ 320 ng/dL total T. Again, he stated they

are low but still considered normal (250 - 1000 ng/dL being normal) and that he

doesn't recommend TRT.

>

> Judging from some of the charts I've seen online I have the T level of a 85 yr

old! I really want to pursue this because I feel like garbage even though I lead

a pretty healthy lifestyle; diet, exercise, etc.

>

> Does anybody have any advice? Should I see a Endocrinologist or a different

type of doctor? Does anybody have any recommendations for a doctor familiar with

TRT in the West Michigan area?

>

> FWIW, I know of allthingsmale.com and they are in Lansing but it is WAY too

expensive.

>

> Thanks!

>

[Guest guest]

This is available without a prescription

http://www.hormonesolutions.com.au/content/products/andromen-forte-2-5(alt).php

Something to consider

>

>

> From: noslo5pt0 <no_reply >

> Subject: Question about Testosterone Therapy

>

> Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 6:54 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Hello, new to the group and am looking for some advice.

>

> A little background info. I'm 37. I was diagnosed with testicular cancer in

December of '05. I had my right testicle removed and preventive radiation

therapy.

>

> A year ago, I had my testosterone levels checked by my regular doctor because

I was noticing some of the common symptoms of low T; fatigue, low sex drive,

problems gaining muscle mass (I'm an avid weight lifter).

>

> My levels came back as total T of 246 ng/dL. My doctor said those are on the

low side but lets try another blood test in a couple of months to see if the

levels are different. 2 months later I had another blood test and this time it

came back total T of 331 ng/dl and free T of 14.2 ng/dl. My doctor said those

are " normal " levels and not to worry about it. I never pursued it any further

because he wasn't going to do anything for me.

>

> Last week I had my annual checkup with my Urologist and showed him my results

from a yr ago and told him my symptoms. He said they are low but still " normal "

but lets get another test as long as I'm already getting blood work done. I got

the results yesterday and he said I'm @ 320 ng/dL total T. Again, he stated they

are low but still considered normal (250 - 1000 ng/dL being normal) and that he

doesn't recommend TRT.

>

> Judging from some of the charts I've seen online I have the T level of a 85 yr

old! I really want to pursue this because I feel like garbage even though I lead

a pretty healthy lifestyle; diet, exercise, etc.

>

> Does anybody have any advice? Should I see a Endocrinologist or a different

type of doctor? Does anybody have any recommendations for a doctor familiar with

TRT in the West Michigan area?

>

> FWIW, I know of allthingsmale. com and they are in Lansing but it is WAY too

expensive.

>

> Thanks!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the replies.

To answer a few questions:

All my tests were done in the morning at approx. the same time (7:30-8ish)

I did not have my T levels tested before my surgery. Everything went so fast,

met with a Urologist and the next day in for surgery, that I didn't have a

chance. I have expressed my concerns multiple times but was always told don't

worry about it. Even this last time he told me that my #'s are average from the

patients he has tested. He said he NEVER sees anybody in the 500+ range.

It looks like I have some research to do to find a good doctor. We have a pretty

big medical community here (Grand Rapids, MI area) and it surprises me more

doctors aren't will to treat this.

I did find a local pharmacy online that says that they can supply a list of

doctors that treat hypogonadism thru email so I tried that but haven't gotten a

response yet.

>

> Hello, new to the group and am looking for some advice.

>

> A little background info. I'm 37. I was diagnosed with testicular cancer in

December of '05. I had my right testicle removed and preventive radiation

therapy.

>

> A year ago, I had my testosterone levels checked by my regular doctor because

I was noticing some of the common symptoms of low T; fatigue, low sex drive,

problems gaining muscle mass (I'm an avid weight lifter).

>

> My levels came back as total T of 246 ng/dL. My doctor said those are on the

low side but lets try another blood test in a couple of months to see if the

levels are different. 2 months later I had another blood test and this time it

came back total T of 331 ng/dl and free T of 14.2 ng/dl. My doctor said those

are " normal " levels and not to worry about it. I never pursued it any further

because he wasn't going to do anything for me.

>

> Last week I had my annual checkup with my Urologist and showed him my results

from a yr ago and told him my symptoms. He said they are low but still " normal "

but lets get another test as long as I'm already getting blood work done. I got

the results yesterday and he said I'm @ 320 ng/dL total T. Again, he stated they

are low but still considered normal (250 - 1000 ng/dL being normal) and that he

doesn't recommend TRT.

>

> Judging from some of the charts I've seen online I have the T level of a 85 yr

old! I really want to pursue this because I feel like garbage even though I lead

a pretty healthy lifestyle; diet, exercise, etc.

>

> Does anybody have any advice? Should I see a Endocrinologist or a different

type of doctor? Does anybody have any recommendations for a doctor familiar with

TRT in the West Michigan area?

>

> FWIW, I know of allthingsmale.com and they are in Lansing but it is WAY too

expensive.

>

> Thanks!

>

[Guest guest]

Dr.s can't treat you by Email unless they see you first Dr. dose this your

best bet is to see him because he is the best at this and your not far from him

after your first time seeing him the cost to see him is about the same as my

cost to see my Dr. my Co-pay is about the same.

I have known Dr. on the web for yrs and he help me saved my life on the web

and I never seen him. The time you waste with bad Dr.'s will make it well worth

your seeing Dr. is just up the road a bit from you.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: noslo5pt0 <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Question about Testosterone Therapy

>

> Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 12:07 PM

> Thanks for the replies.

>

> To answer a few questions:

>

> All my tests were done in the morning at approx. the same

> time (7:30-8ish)

>

> I did not have my T levels tested before my surgery.

> Everything went so fast, met with a Urologist and the next

> day in for surgery, that I didn't have a chance. I have

> expressed my concerns multiple times but was always told

> don't worry about it. Even this last time he told me that my

> #'s are average from the patients he has tested. He said he

> NEVER sees anybody in the 500+ range.

>

> It looks like I have some research to do to find a good

> doctor. We have a pretty big medical community here (Grand

> Rapids, MI area) and it surprises me more doctors aren't

> will to treat this.

>

> I did find a local pharmacy online that says that they can

> supply a list of doctors that treat hypogonadism thru email

> so I tried that but haven't gotten a response yet.

>

>

> >

> > Hello, new to the group and am looking for some

> advice.

> >

> > A little background info. I'm 37. I was diagnosed with

> testicular cancer in December of '05. I had my right

> testicle removed and preventive radiation therapy.

> >

> > A year ago, I had my testosterone levels checked by my

> regular doctor because I was noticing some of the common

> symptoms of low T; fatigue, low sex drive, problems gaining

> muscle mass (I'm an avid weight lifter).

> >

> > My levels came back as total T of 246 ng/dL. My doctor

> said those are on the low side but lets try another blood

> test in a couple of months to see if the levels are

> different. 2 months later I had another blood test and this

> time it came back total T of 331 ng/dl and free T of 14.2

> ng/dl. My doctor said those are " normal " levels and not to

> worry about it. I never pursued it any further because he

> wasn't going to do anything for me.

> >

> > Last week I had my annual checkup with my Urologist

> and showed him my results from a yr ago and told him my

> symptoms. He said they are low but still " normal " but lets

> get another test as long as I'm already getting blood work

> done. I got the results yesterday and he said I'm @ 320

> ng/dL total T. Again, he stated they are low but still

> considered normal (250 - 1000 ng/dL being normal) and that

> he doesn't recommend TRT.

> >

> > Judging from some of the charts I've seen online I

> have the T level of a 85 yr old! I really want to pursue

> this because I feel like garbage even though I lead a pretty

> healthy lifestyle; diet, exercise, etc.

> >

> > Does anybody have any advice? Should I see a

> Endocrinologist or a different type of doctor? Does anybody

> have any recommendations for a doctor familiar with TRT in

> the West Michigan area?

> >

> > FWIW, I know of allthingsmale.com and they are in

> Lansing but it is WAY too expensive.

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I didn't mean treat me thru email. I meant they would email a list of

local doctors that specialize in TRT.

> > >

> > > Hello, new to the group and am looking for some

> > advice.

> > >

> > > A little background info. I'm 37. I was diagnosed with

> > testicular cancer in December of '05. I had my right

> > testicle removed and preventive radiation therapy.

> > >

> > > A year ago, I had my testosterone levels checked by my

> > regular doctor because I was noticing some of the common

> > symptoms of low T; fatigue, low sex drive, problems gaining

> > muscle mass (I'm an avid weight lifter).

> > >

> > > My levels came back as total T of 246 ng/dL. My doctor

> > said those are on the low side but lets try another blood

> > test in a couple of months to see if the levels are

> > different. 2 months later I had another blood test and this

> > time it came back total T of 331 ng/dl and free T of 14.2

> > ng/dl. My doctor said those are " normal " levels and not to

> > worry about it. I never pursued it any further because he

> > wasn't going to do anything for me.

> > >

> > > Last week I had my annual checkup with my Urologist

> > and showed him my results from a yr ago and told him my

> > symptoms. He said they are low but still " normal " but lets

> > get another test as long as I'm already getting blood work

> > done. I got the results yesterday and he said I'm @ 320

> > ng/dL total T. Again, he stated they are low but still

> > considered normal (250 - 1000 ng/dL being normal) and that

> > he doesn't recommend TRT.

> > >

> > > Judging from some of the charts I've seen online I

> > have the T level of a 85 yr old! I really want to pursue

> > this because I feel like garbage even though I lead a pretty

> > healthy lifestyle; diet, exercise, etc.

> > >

> > > Does anybody have any advice? Should I see a

> > Endocrinologist or a different type of doctor? Does anybody

> > have any recommendations for a doctor familiar with TRT in

> > the West Michigan area?

> > >

> > > FWIW, I know of allthingsmale.com and they are in

> > Lansing but it is WAY too expensive.

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

We have seen them lists you still need to call them before you see them because

better then half of them only know what the drug reps tell them in the files

section we have a file " Finding a New Male Hormone Dr. " read this and make calls

ask questions do you don't get in the mess most of us did yrs. ago seeing one

bad Dr. after the other.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: noslo5pt0 <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Question about Testosterone Therapy

>

> Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 3:55 PM

> Sorry, I didn't mean treat me thru

> email. I meant they would email a list of local doctors that

> specialize in TRT.

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Hello, new to the group and am looking for

> some

> > > advice.

> > > >

> > > > A little background info. I'm 37. I was

> diagnosed with

> > > testicular cancer in December of '05. I had my

> right

> > > testicle removed and preventive radiation

> therapy.

> > > >

> > > > A year ago, I had my testosterone levels

> checked by my

> > > regular doctor because I was noticing some of the

> common

> > > symptoms of low T; fatigue, low sex drive,

> problems gaining

> > > muscle mass (I'm an avid weight lifter).

> > > >

> > > > My levels came back as total T of 246 ng/dL.

> My doctor

> > > said those are on the low side but lets try

> another blood

> > > test in a couple of months to see if the levels

> are

> > > different. 2 months later I had another blood

> test and this

> > > time it came back total T of 331 ng/dl and free T

> of 14.2

> > > ng/dl. My doctor said those are " normal " levels

> and not to

> > > worry about it. I never pursued it any further

> because he

> > > wasn't going to do anything for me.

> > > >

> > > > Last week I had my annual checkup with my

> Urologist

> > > and showed him my results from a yr ago and told

> him my

> > > symptoms. He said they are low but still " normal "

> but lets

> > > get another test as long as I'm already getting

> blood work

> > > done. I got the results yesterday and he said I'm

> @ 320

> > > ng/dL total T. Again, he stated they are low but

> still

> > > considered normal (250 - 1000 ng/dL being normal)

> and that

> > > he doesn't recommend TRT.

> > > >

> > > > Judging from some of the charts I've seen

> online I

> > > have the T level of a 85 yr old! I really want to

> pursue

> > > this because I feel like garbage even though I

> lead a pretty

> > > healthy lifestyle; diet, exercise, etc.

> > > >

> > > > Does anybody have any advice? Should I see

> a

> > > Endocrinologist or a different type of doctor?

> Does anybody

> > > have any recommendations for a doctor familiar

> with TRT in

> > > the West Michigan area?

> > > >

> > > > FWIW, I know of allthingsmale.com and they

> are in

> > > Lansing but it is WAY too expensive.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks!

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >