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Hello

I am feeling very low and depressed lately, i don't feel i can go on much

longer.

I am in the middle of being diagnosed, my dr wants me off the HC i'm taking for

a few more weeks so he can test for: cushings/pseudocushings and retest other

stuff like Growth hormone and testosterone (both of which i suspect will be low)

My Testosterone level was 10.7 i think last month (range 10-30 blood test), and

last year 9.27 i think.

could really low hormone levels be making me feel this bad? THat is my hunch

(hunches have been right so far about adrenal fatigue, sleep apnea, and low

testosterone levels). but could i be wrong and it's something else that say i

need psychiatric drugs for? I am pinning my hope on this, as other things have

failed (therapy, anti depressants, vitamins, minerals).

thanks for any input

chris

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Yes, optimal hormone levels are behind good health, and low or imbalanced levels

lead to illness. Depression is often linked to low T3 thyroid levels. I assume

you're having those checked too.

A perfect example of physical decline is a woman 10 years after menopause who

does not replace her hormones. Women get fat, can't sleep, develop

osteoporosis, and often become absent-minded. Suzanne Somers called it the 7

dwarves of menopause: itchy, bitchy, sweaty, sleepy, bloated, forgetful, and

all dried-up.

If your testosterone level is that low, then yes, that could be one of the

causes of your not feeling well. You could be hypopituitary like Phil here, in

which case you would need to replace everything you're low in. Anyone who has

been low and then had their hormones replaced to optimal levels can tell you how

much better they feel. Psychiatric drugs do nothing but mask your low or

imbalanced hormones. They don't fix the problem, which is what you should do.

Oftentimes they can make you worse, because anti-depressants somehow affect your

cortisol levels and can make you dependent on them.

Hang in there!

Barb

>

> Hello

>

> I am feeling very low and depressed lately, i don't feel i can go on much

longer.

>

> I am in the middle of being diagnosed, my dr wants me off the HC i'm taking

for a few more weeks so he can test for: cushings/pseudocushings and retest

other stuff like Growth hormone and testosterone (both of which i suspect will

be low)

>

> My Testosterone level was 10.7 i think last month (range 10-30 blood test),

and last year 9.27 i think.

>

> could really low hormone levels be making me feel this bad? THat is my hunch

(hunches have been right so far about adrenal fatigue, sleep apnea, and low

testosterone levels). but could i be wrong and it's something else that say i

need psychiatric drugs for? I am pinning my hope on this, as other things have

failed (therapy, anti depressants, vitamins, minerals).

>

> thanks for any input

>

> chris

>

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Because your T level is so low, you'll absolutely not being feeling the way you

should be. Also, if your adrenals are low you'll be feeling horrible as well. I

don't know about the GH.

Unless you have a psychiatric condition I wouldn't think you would need

antidepressants if your hormone levels are where they should be. Are you

currently on TRT?

>

> Hello

>

> I am feeling very low and depressed lately, i don't feel i can go on much

longer.

>

> I am in the middle of being diagnosed, my dr wants me off the HC i'm taking

for a few more weeks so he can test for: cushings/pseudocushings and retest

other stuff like Growth hormone and testosterone (both of which i suspect will

be low)

>

> My Testosterone level was 10.7 i think last month (range 10-30 blood test),

and last year 9.27 i think.

>

> could really low hormone levels be making me feel this bad? THat is my hunch

(hunches have been right so far about adrenal fatigue, sleep apnea, and low

testosterone levels). but could i be wrong and it's something else that say i

need psychiatric drugs for? I am pinning my hope on this, as other things have

failed (therapy, anti depressants, vitamins, minerals).

>

> thanks for any input

>

> chris

>

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While I don't consider myself depressed, I can imagine getting that way if I

have to continue to feel this way for another year,.....maybe less.

Your hormones can cause all kinds of bad things to happen.

I feel like I can barely pick my legs up after doing what I have to do.

Watching my body slowly turn to mush is not helping either.

Stay off of the feel good drugs unless you truly have a mental issue. I have

known far too many folks that have been put on drugs like SSRI's for no

legitimate reason. They don't feel any better BTW,.....some feel worse.

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OK let me tell you you need to come off HC slow like 2.5 mgs every 3 to 5 days

if you get shaky and feel very weak you need to go back up on the does for a few

days then try again once your off HC you need to be off it 2 weeks. Some people

can't come off HC there Adrenals will not jump back in if you keep feeling sick

trying this you need to call this Dr.

I don't know why he is doing this to you my Dr. tests me on HC he has me take my

moring dose at 6am 10 mgs and do my fasting blood labs at about 8 to 8:30am as

long as my Cortisol levels come back showing a level he knows I am not on to

much HC and not getting Cushings. My levels are between 6 to 14 doing this this

tells my Dr. my adrenals are still working and not shut down.

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> From: <chrisjtaylor46@...>

> Subject: Am i right?

>

> Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 1:00 PM

> Hello

>

> I am feeling very low and depressed lately, i don't feel i

> can go on much longer.

>

> I am in the middle of being diagnosed, my dr wants me off

> the HC i'm taking for a few more weeks so he can test for:

> cushings/pseudocushings and retest other stuff like Growth

> hormone and testosterone (both of which i suspect will be

> low)

>

> My Testosterone level was 10.7 i think last month (range

> 10-30 blood test), and last year 9.27 i think.

>

> could really low hormone levels be making me feel this

> bad?  THat is my hunch (hunches have been right so far

> about adrenal fatigue, sleep apnea, and low testosterone

> levels).  but could i be wrong and it's something else

> that say i need psychiatric drugs for?  I am pinning my

> hope on this, as other things have failed (therapy, anti

> depressants, vitamins, minerals).

>

> thanks for any input

>

> chris

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

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Well said Barb your a gem.

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Phil

> From: Barb <baba@...>

> Subject: Re: Am i right?

>

> Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 1:26 PM

> Yes, optimal hormone levels are

> behind good health, and low or imbalanced levels lead to

> illness.  Depression is often linked to low T3 thyroid

> levels.  I assume you're having those checked too.

>

> A perfect example of physical decline is a woman 10 years

> after menopause who does not replace her hormones. 

> Women get fat, can't sleep, develop osteoporosis, and often

> become absent-minded.  Suzanne Somers called it the 7

> dwarves of menopause:  itchy, bitchy, sweaty, sleepy,

> bloated, forgetful, and all dried-up. 

>

> If your testosterone level is that low, then yes, that

> could be one of the causes of your not feeling well. 

> You could be hypopituitary like Phil here, in which case you

> would need to replace everything you're low in.  Anyone

> who has been low and then had their hormones replaced to

> optimal levels can tell you how much better they feel. 

> Psychiatric drugs do nothing but mask your low or imbalanced

> hormones.  They don't fix the problem, which is what

> you should do.  Oftentimes they can make you worse,

> because anti-depressants somehow affect your cortisol levels

> and can make you dependent on them.

>

> Hang in there!

>

> Barb

>

>

>

> >

> > Hello

> >

> > I am feeling very low and depressed lately, i don't

> feel i can go on much longer.

> >

> > I am in the middle of being diagnosed, my dr wants me

> off the HC i'm taking for a few more weeks so he can test

> for: cushings/pseudocushings and retest other stuff like

> Growth hormone and testosterone (both of which i suspect

> will be low)

> >

> > My Testosterone level was 10.7 i think last month

> (range 10-30 blood test), and last year 9.27 i think.

> >

> > could really low hormone levels be making me feel this

> bad?  THat is my hunch (hunches have been right so far

> about adrenal fatigue, sleep apnea, and low testosterone

> levels).  but could i be wrong and it's something else

> that say i need psychiatric drugs for?  I am pinning my

> hope on this, as other things have failed (therapy, anti

> depressants, vitamins, minerals).

> >

> > thanks for any input

> >

> > chris

> >

>

>

>

>

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go join Dr. no's forum he is in Psychiatry and feels most mental

problems are due to hormones. He came to one of the men's health forums for low

T some yrs ago looking for men with low T for input on how they are doing on TRT

for a now book he is doing. We helped him he helped us. His posting was do good

some guys copied them into a book. If you go the the files section at the home

page and read the file mariano7.zip it has most of his posts in this and you can

go join his forum and read more about this.

http://www.definitivemind.com/forums/index.php

When his book comes out it will change how people the look to be depressed are

going to be treated he feels it's all hormones.

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Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Am i right?

>

> Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 1:26 PM

>

> Because your T level is so low, you'll absolutely not being

> feeling the way you should be. Also, if your adrenals are

> low you'll be feeling horrible as well. I don't know about

> the GH.

>

> Unless you have a psychiatric condition I wouldn't think

> you would need antidepressants if your hormone levels are

> where they should be. Are you currently on TRT?

>

>

> >

> > Hello

> >

> > I am feeling very low and depressed lately, i don't

> feel i can go on much longer.

> >

> > I am in the middle of being diagnosed, my dr wants me

> off the HC i'm taking for a few more weeks so he can test

> for: cushings/pseudocushings and retest other stuff like

> Growth hormone and testosterone (both of which i suspect

> will be low)

> >

> > My Testosterone level was 10.7 i think last month

> (range 10-30 blood test), and last year 9.27 i think.

> >

> > could really low hormone levels be making me feel this

> bad?  THat is my hunch (hunches have been right so far

> about adrenal fatigue, sleep apnea, and low testosterone

> levels).  but could i be wrong and it's something else

> that say i need psychiatric drugs for?  I am pinning my

> hope on this, as other things have failed (therapy, anti

> depressants, vitamins, minerals).

> >

> > thanks for any input

> >

> > chris

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

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<> I don't know why he is doing this to you my Dr. tests me on HC he has me take

my moring dose at 6am 10 mgs and do my fasting blood labs at about 8 to 8:30am

as long as my Cortisol levels come back showing a level he knows I am not on to

much HC and not getting Cushings

Well I don't know either, Phil. that would be another way of doing it wouldn/t

it? i mean, i could be tested right now couldn't i? either a urinary free

cortisol and/or a cortisol blood test? Do you agree? if my levels aren not

high, then i can't have cushings, is this right? could he be doing the

suppression test to be seen to be going through the motions so the gp takes note

of what he says? over here it's different, i'm seeing him outsidee of the

health service, and paying privately, and he's tring to get my tests done for

free on the nhs, so he has to play it very carefullyu i think.

Endo also said that my adrenals would be ssuppressed on 10mg of HC, but if so,

how can i have cushings on 10mg hc - if my adrenals are suppressed and making

not much/nothing, it doesn't follow?

he is a good man who listens-i really can't fault him at all in how nice and

caring he is, and so i have to trust him i think, i have asked him though what

he is trying to find with or eliminate if i'm on 10 hc and he thinks my adrenals

are suppressed but might have cushings: it doesn't compute? unless he wants to

check i don't have a feedback problem or a ACTH producing tumour?

coudl i have cushings on 10mg hc? maybe i feel worse today because not much hc,

and trying to tidy up my apartmnet, and it's really hot. i wouldn't bother

tidying but i have a stupid inspection next week to check everything's in order.

>

> > From: <chrisjtaylor46@...>

> > Subject: Am i right?

> >

> > Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 1:00 PM

> > Hello

> >

> > I am feeling very low and depressed lately, i don't feel i

> > can go on much longer.

> >

> > I am in the middle of being diagnosed, my dr wants me off

> > the HC i'm taking for a few more weeks so he can test for:

> > cushings/pseudocushings and retest other stuff like Growth

> > hormone and testosterone (both of which i suspect will be

> > low)

> >

> > My Testosterone level was 10.7 i think last month (range

> > 10-30 blood test), and last year 9.27 i think.

> >

> > could really low hormone levels be making me feel this

> > bad?  THat is my hunch (hunches have been right so far

> > about adrenal fatigue, sleep apnea, and low testosterone

> > levels).  but could i be wrong and it's something else

> > that say i need psychiatric drugs for?  I am pinning my

> > hope on this, as other things have failed (therapy, anti

> > depressants, vitamins, minerals).

> >

> > thanks for any input

> >

> > chris

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

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Hi Chris

I would recommend that you give the doc a call and expedite your next

appointment. From what you have written, the sooner your treatment begins the

better.

Have you considered short-term andidepressant treatment? I am not saying that

is the right diagnosis, only that while you are being diagnosed and having to

wait, it might be worth your while.

As for hormones making you feel that bad - in my experience - yes, they can.

All I can tell you - if this is any help - is that once I started on the right

treatment for me, these feelings stopped and I now feel so much better.

Take care

ade

>

> Hello

>

> I am feeling very low and depressed lately, i don't feel i can go on much

longer.

>

> I am in the middle of being diagnosed, my dr wants me off the HC i'm taking

for a few more weeks so he can test for: cushings/pseudocushings and retest

other stuff like Growth hormone and testosterone (both of which i suspect will

be low)

>

> My Testosterone level was 10.7 i think last month (range 10-30 blood test),

and last year 9.27 i think.

>

> could really low hormone levels be making me feel this bad? THat is my hunch

(hunches have been right so far about adrenal fatigue, sleep apnea, and low

testosterone levels). but could i be wrong and it's something else that say i

need psychiatric drugs for? I am pinning my hope on this, as other things have

failed (therapy, anti depressants, vitamins, minerals).

>

> thanks for any input

>

> chris

>

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Thanks Ade

Well I think the doctor has gone on holiday, I emailed him and normally i got an

auto reply and i remembered that his secretary said that he was on holiday at

the end of the month, i'm not sure if that's for 1 week or two.

the problem with anti depressants is i don't react well to any of htem., in fact

i react very badly. i used to be able to toelrate st johns wort but now, after

taking prozac some years ago, it doesn't work either and makes me bad too.

i can't see me getting treatment for weeks. 1-2 weeks until dr comes back, then

another couple weeks for blood tests (suposed to be off steroids, and supposed

to be waiting for gp to agree to doing the tests on the nhs, and don'[t think dr

has written to gp yet), then results, then appointment, and well that's over a

month isn't it and how i'm going to last that long! just take it day by day i

suppose.

thank you for your message.

> >

> > Hello

> >

> > I am feeling very low and depressed lately, i don't feel i can go on much

longer.

> >

> > I am in the middle of being diagnosed, my dr wants me off the HC i'm taking

for a few more weeks so he can test for: cushings/pseudocushings and retest

other stuff like Growth hormone and testosterone (both of which i suspect will

be low)

> >

> > My Testosterone level was 10.7 i think last month (range 10-30 blood test),

and last year 9.27 i think.

> >

> > could really low hormone levels be making me feel this bad? THat is my

hunch (hunches have been right so far about adrenal fatigue, sleep apnea, and

low testosterone levels). but could i be wrong and it's something else that say

i need psychiatric drugs for? I am pinning my hope on this, as other things

have failed (therapy, anti depressants, vitamins, minerals).

> >

> > thanks for any input

> >

> > chris

> >

>

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I could not tolerate anti,s either made me ill, was on a!l sorts, recently I

volenteered to see a a shrink as things were so bad, he gave me Cipralex brand

name for escitalopram, they broughtme back from the brink and. gave me some

clarity, the fight now goes on.

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> Thanks Ade

>

> Well I think the doctor has gone on holiday, I emailed him and normally

> i got an auto reply and i remembered that his secretary said that he was

> on holiday at the end of the month, i'm not sure if that's for 1 week or

> two.

>

> the problem with anti depressants is i don't react well to any of htem.,

> in fact i react very badly. i used to be able to toelrate st johns wort

> but now, after taking prozac some years ago, it doesn't work either and

> makes me bad too.

>

> i can't see me getting treatment for weeks.  1-2 weeks until dr comes

> back, then another couple weeks for blood tests (suposed to be off

> steroids, and supposed to be waiting for gp to agree to doing the tests

> on the nhs, and don'[t think dr has written to gp yet), then results,

> then appointment, and well that's over a month isn't it and how i'm

> going to last that long!  just take it day by day i suppose.

>

> thank you for your message.

>

>

> > >

> > > Hello

> > >

> > > I am feeling very low and depressed lately, i don't feel i can go on

> > > much longer.

> > >

> > > I am in the middle of being diagnosed, my dr wants me off the HC i'm

> > > taking for a few more weeks so he can test for:

> > > cushings/pseudocushings and retest other stuff like Growth hormone

> > > and testosterone (both of which i suspect will be low)

> > >

> > > My Testosterone level was 10.7 i think last month (range 10-30 blood

> > > test), and last year 9.27 i think.

> > >

> > > could really low hormone levels be making me feel this bad?  THat is

> > > my hunch (hunches have been right so far about adrenal fatigue,

> > > sleep apnea, and low testosterone levels).  but could i be wrong and

> > > it's something else that say i need psychiatric drugs for?  I am

> > > pinning my hope on this, as other things have failed (therapy, anti

> > > depressants, vitamins, minerals).

> > >

> > > thanks for any input

> > >

> > > chris

> > >

> >

>

>

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glad it worked for you Tim

citalopram and escitalopram did not work for me, made me worse. i cannot

tolerate SSRIS

the ssri's ae suppose to hammer the adrenal glands too

> > > >

> > > > Hello

> > > >

> > > > I am feeling very low and depressed lately, i don't feel i can go on

> > > > much longer.

> > > >

> > > > I am in the middle of being diagnosed, my dr wants me off the HC i'm

> > > > taking for a few more weeks so he can test for:

> > > > cushings/pseudocushings and retest other stuff like Growth hormone

> > > > and testosterone (both of which i suspect will be low)

> > > >

> > > > My Testosterone level was 10.7 i think last month (range 10-30 blood

> > > > test), and last year 9.27 i think.

> > > >

> > > > could really low hormone levels be making me feel this bad?  THat is

> > > > my hunch (hunches have been right so far about adrenal fatigue,

> > > > sleep apnea, and low testosterone levels).  but could i be wrong and

> > > > it's something else that say i need psychiatric drugs for?  I am

> > > > pinning my hope on this, as other things have failed (therapy, anti

> > > > depressants, vitamins, minerals).

> > > >

> > > > thanks for any input

> > > >

> > > > chris

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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I would not rely on email contact, Chris. That doctor receives absolutely

thousands of emails. He has a practice on Harley Street, one in Nottingham and

then Lincoln not to mention the legal work he is undertaking.

Re the antidepresants - does not look like there is much anybody can really do

for you then Chris. The only way forward will be for you to complete the tests

the doc wants you to have. You can ask your GP to refer you to another doctor

if you are not confident this one is going to help you, although I think that

might cause you more trouble than ever. All consultants in the UK will need a

referral and if you have already seen one consultant another is not forced to

accept you as a patient.

My advice still stands - give his secretary a call on the number you have on his

letter and ask for an appointment with him sooner rather than later. It may

well bring it forward a little.

> > >

> > > Hello

> > >

> > > I am feeling very low and depressed lately, i don't feel i can go on much

longer.

> > >

> > > I am in the middle of being diagnosed, my dr wants me off the HC i'm

taking for a few more weeks so he can test for: cushings/pseudocushings and

retest other stuff like Growth hormone and testosterone (both of which i suspect

will be low)

> > >

> > > My Testosterone level was 10.7 i think last month (range 10-30 blood

test), and last year 9.27 i think.

> > >

> > > could really low hormone levels be making me feel this bad? THat is my

hunch (hunches have been right so far about adrenal fatigue, sleep apnea, and

low testosterone levels). but could i be wrong and it's something else that say

i need psychiatric drugs for? I am pinning my hope on this, as other things

have failed (therapy, anti depressants, vitamins, minerals).

> > >

> > > thanks for any input

> > >

> > > chris

> > >

> >

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I am not a Dr. but I went over and over and over this with Dr.'s both on the web

like Dr. and Dr. M and Dr.'s I seen. You will not get cushings from doing a

little HC but if you don't do enough your not going to support your body. The

reason for HC is one your adrenals are over worked and can't make enough

Cortisol or two your Pituitary dose not tell your Adrenals to make cortisol so

we supplement with up to 40 mgs across the day of HC or Cortef.

When you do a fasting blood test after taking your morning dose your looking for

your levels to not be to low this would mean your shut down as long as you show

a level 6 to 16 your Adrenals are still working with Cushings your Adrenals quit

working or slow down to much.

To tell if your Secondary meaning your Pituitary is not working right you need

to be off HC 2 weeks to do an ACTH Stim. test.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACTH_stimulation_test

With this test they take your Cortisol levels before giving you a shot that acts

like ACTH then in 30 min's the do a test and at 60 min's the test aging. If

your Cortisol levels go from a low on the first test before the shot to 2 to

3x's the number you are secondary meaning your adrenals work they just don't get

told to work and you need HC for life. I am like this now if the first test is

low before the shot and you only go up a little it means your Adrenals are over

worked and can't make cortisol one then needs to be on enough HC to support

there body 20 to 40 mgs so there adrenals can rest and heal.

If your Dr. is looking to see if your Secondary I can see him doing this test

then they would do an MRI on your Pituitary to see if you have a tumor it's rare

to be cancer.

There is no why in hell one will get Cushings from doing 10mgs evern 40mgs of

HC.

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> From: <chrisjtaylor46@...>

> Subject: Re: Am i right?

>

> Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 2:03 PM

> Thanks all

>

> <> I don't know why he is doing this to you my Dr.

> tests me on HC he has me take my moring dose at 6am 10 mgs

> and do my fasting blood labs at about 8 to 8:30am as long as

> my Cortisol levels come back showing a level he knows I am

> not on to much HC and not getting Cushings

>

>

> Well I don't know either, Phil. that would be another way

> of doing it wouldn/t it? i mean, i could be tested right now

> couldn't i? either a urinary free cortisol and/or a cortisol

> blood test?  Do you agree?  if my levels aren not

> high, then i can't have cushings, is this right?  could

> he be doing the suppression test to be seen to be going

> through the motions so the gp takes note of what he

> says?  over here it's different, i'm seeing him

> outsidee of the health service, and paying privately, and

> he's tring to get my tests done for free on the nhs, so he

> has to play it very carefullyu i think.

>

> Endo also said that my adrenals would be ssuppressed on

> 10mg of HC, but if so, how can i have cushings on 10mg hc -

> if my adrenals are suppressed and making not much/nothing,

> it doesn't follow?

>

> he is a good man who listens-i really can't fault him at

> all in how nice and caring he is, and so i have to trust him

> i think, i have asked him though what he is trying to find

> with or eliminate if i'm on 10 hc and he thinks my adrenals

> are suppressed but might have cushings: it doesn't

> compute?  unless he wants to check i don't have a

> feedback problem or a ACTH producing tumour?

>

> coudl i have cushings on 10mg hc?  maybe i feel worse

> today because not much hc, and trying to tidy up my

> apartmnet, and it's really hot. i wouldn't bother tidying

> but i have a stupid inspection next week to check

> everything's in order. 

>

>

> >

> > > From: <chrisjtaylor46@...>

> > > Subject: Am i right?

> > >

> > > Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 1:00 PM

> > > Hello

> > >

> > > I am feeling very low and depressed lately, i

> don't feel i

> > > can go on much longer.

> > >

> > > I am in the middle of being diagnosed, my dr

> wants me off

> > > the HC i'm taking for a few more weeks so he can

> test for:

> > > cushings/pseudocushings and retest other stuff

> like Growth

> > > hormone and testosterone (both of which i suspect

> will be

> > > low)

> > >

> > > My Testosterone level was 10.7 i think last month

> (range

> > > 10-30 blood test), and last year 9.27 i think.

> > >

> > > could really low hormone levels be making me feel

> this

> > > bad?  THat is my hunch (hunches have been right

> so far

> > > about adrenal fatigue, sleep apnea, and low

> testosterone

> > > levels).  but could i be wrong and it's

> something else

> > > that say i need psychiatric drugs for?  I am

> pinning my

> > > hope on this, as other things have failed

> (therapy, anti

> > > depressants, vitamins, minerals).

> > >

> > > thanks for any input

> > >

> > > chris

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

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listen to me I have seen 7 endo's here in the USA and they suck each one

took me off TRT and all my meds some for 4 weeks some for 3 months I lived

through this it was not easy I ended up on sick leave from work but I did it

your mind is your worst problem with doing this so when you feel like you can't

take it tell you self this is distressing but not dangerous. Try to spot when

your thinking about it and tell your self stop it's not dangerous. Try doing

some of this Relaxation Response it help me get through being off TRT and meds

it works.

http://hrop.ucop.edu/employees/eap/relaxation.html

Post to us for help when you feel you can't take it it helps.

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> From: <chrisjtaylor46@...>

> Subject: Re: Am i right?

>

> Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 2:35 PM

> Thanks Ade

>

> Well I think the doctor has gone on holiday, I emailed him

> and normally i got an auto reply and i remembered that his

> secretary said that he was on holiday at the end of the

> month, i'm not sure if that's for 1 week or two.

>

> the problem with anti depressants is i don't react well to

> any of htem., in fact i react very badly. i used to be able

> to toelrate st johns wort but now, after taking prozac some

> years ago, it doesn't work either and makes me bad too.

>

> i can't see me getting treatment for weeks.  1-2 weeks

> until dr comes back, then another couple weeks for blood

> tests (suposed to be off steroids, and supposed to be

> waiting for gp to agree to doing the tests on the nhs, and

> don'[t think dr has written to gp yet), then results, then

> appointment, and well that's over a month isn't it and how

> i'm going to last that long!  just take it day by day i

> suppose.

>

> thank you for your message.

>

>

> > >

> > > Hello

> > >

> > > I am feeling very low and depressed lately, i

> don't feel i can go on much longer.

> > >

> > > I am in the middle of being diagnosed, my dr

> wants me off the HC i'm taking for a few more weeks so he

> can test for: cushings/pseudocushings and retest other stuff

> like Growth hormone and testosterone (both of which i

> suspect will be low)

> > >

> > > My Testosterone level was 10.7 i think last month

> (range 10-30 blood test), and last year 9.27 i think.

> > >

> > > could really low hormone levels be making me feel

> this bad?  THat is my hunch (hunches have been right so

> far about adrenal fatigue, sleep apnea, and low testosterone

> levels).  but could i be wrong and it's something else

> that say i need psychiatric drugs for?  I am pinning my

> hope on this, as other things have failed (therapy, anti

> depressants, vitamins, minerals).

> > >

> > > thanks for any input

> > >

> > > chris

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

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Thanks Ade

I mailed him before and i got the auto reply and he replied briefly to reply. I

have left a voicemail on the answer phone,b ut i did that the other week and it

took them q a while to get bck t me, i know he is busy and in demand

i still have faith in this Dr, Ade, it's just as you can tell, i'm not doing so

well so want to progress things....i will give him a chance, as i have heard

good things and like him and his approach

i'll follow up with another phone call tomorrow if i don't hear anything back in

the morning

> > > >

> > > > Hello

> > > >

> > > > I am feeling very low and depressed lately, i don't feel i can go on

much longer.

> > > >

> > > > I am in the middle of being diagnosed, my dr wants me off the HC i'm

taking for a few more weeks so he can test for: cushings/pseudocushings and

retest other stuff like Growth hormone and testosterone (both of which i suspect

will be low)

> > > >

> > > > My Testosterone level was 10.7 i think last month (range 10-30 blood

test), and last year 9.27 i think.

> > > >

> > > > could really low hormone levels be making me feel this bad? THat is my

hunch (hunches have been right so far about adrenal fatigue, sleep apnea, and

low testosterone levels). but could i be wrong and it's something else that say

i need psychiatric drugs for? I am pinning my hope on this, as other things

have failed (therapy, anti depressants, vitamins, minerals).

> > > >

> > > > thanks for any input

> > > >

> > > > chris

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Hi Phil

well end of 2008, i had low cortisol, total saliva daily level was 15.5,range

21-41, i think. cortisol was low in 1st 2 morning samples, then within range in

the afternoon (but only because the range was so low it was in range). 18 months

before, total saliva cortisol was 28 i think. so a 50% drop in 18 months

i have been on much higher doses of HC, 60mg when ill for a couple days, 40 for

a few weeks but then felt i didn't need so much and dropped it to 30s, 20s then

10s and feel ok for doing so.

a fasting cortisol blood test has not been ordered for me i don't think though

i've been advised this is avialable in the standard blood test ordered here.

but if i take dexa the night before, then it won't be accurate will it.

an ACTH stim test hasn't been ordered....

i don't think adrenals are the primary issue here, they are low (or high,

maybe-but i don't see how) but i think the thinking is eitehr they are being

dragged down by another failing gland?

>> There is no why in hell one will get Cushings from doing 10mgs evern 40mgs of

HC.

this is what i don't understand. This dr is very well educated, very well

reputed, so i wonder if he is just being very thorough, just to cover his own

back? he is only testing for cushings, not high /low cortisol before the

cushings test? he said he thought my adrenals would be suppressed even on 10mg

hc. so if they are suppressed then the only way i'll have high cortisol is by

taking lots and lots of HC, which i'm not, right? or, cortisol levels will be

high if the feedback loop is not working, or if i have an adrenal stimulating

tumour? am i right? i am not trying to second guess him as such, just trying

to work out where we're going.

if i'm low in hormones i just want a replacement, but irealise they have to work

out if ther is a major thing going on like cushings/psuedo cushings, but the

adrenal suppression thing rules that out, and why not just do a cortisol test

*now* while i'm on it so we see where we are now?

> > >

> > > > From: <chrisjtaylor46@>

> > > > Subject: Am i right?

> > > >

> > > > Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 1:00 PM

> > > > Hello

> > > >

> > > > I am feeling very low and depressed lately, i

> > don't feel i

> > > > can go on much longer.

> > > >

> > > > I am in the middle of being diagnosed, my dr

> > wants me off

> > > > the HC i'm taking for a few more weeks so he can

> > test for:

> > > > cushings/pseudocushings and retest other stuff

> > like Growth

> > > > hormone and testosterone (both of which i suspect

> > will be

> > > > low)

> > > >

> > > > My Testosterone level was 10.7 i think last month

> > (range

> > > > 10-30 blood test), and last year 9.27 i think.

> > > >

> > > > could really low hormone levels be making me feel

> > this

> > > > bad?  THat is my hunch (hunches have been right

> > so far

> > > > about adrenal fatigue, sleep apnea, and low

> > testosterone

> > > > levels).  but could i be wrong and it's

> > something else

> > > > that say i need psychiatric drugs for?  I am

> > pinning my

> > > > hope on this, as other things have failed

> > (therapy, anti

> > > > depressants, vitamins, minerals).

> > > >

> > > > thanks for any input

> > > >

> > > > chris

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

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>When you do a fasting blood test after taking your morning dose your looking

for

your levels to not be to low this would mean your shut down as long as you show

a level 6 to 16 your Adrenals are still working with **Cushings** your Adrenals

quit

working or slow down to much.

was this a typo, Phil? I thought addisons is when they shut down, cushings is

when they're way too high?

> > >

> > > > From: <chrisjtaylor46@>

> > > > Subject: Am i right?

> > > >

> > > > Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 1:00 PM

> > > > Hello

> > > >

> > > > I am feeling very low and depressed lately, i

> > don't feel i

> > > > can go on much longer.

> > > >

> > > > I am in the middle of being diagnosed, my dr

> > wants me off

> > > > the HC i'm taking for a few more weeks so he can

> > test for:

> > > > cushings/pseudocushings and retest other stuff

> > like Growth

> > > > hormone and testosterone (both of which i suspect

> > will be

> > > > low)

> > > >

> > > > My Testosterone level was 10.7 i think last month

> > (range

> > > > 10-30 blood test), and last year 9.27 i think.

> > > >

> > > > could really low hormone levels be making me feel

> > this

> > > > bad?  THat is my hunch (hunches have been right

> > so far

> > > > about adrenal fatigue, sleep apnea, and low

> > testosterone

> > > > levels).  but could i be wrong and it's

> > something else

> > > > that say i need psychiatric drugs for?  I am

> > pinning my

> > > > hope on this, as other things have failed

> > (therapy, anti

> > > > depressants, vitamins, minerals).

> > > >

> > > > thanks for any input

> > > >

> > > > chris

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

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maybe i'm making too much of the cushings test, i'm just wondering if coming off

the adrenal support is making my mood lower.

sorry to go on and all the posts etc.

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: <chrisjtaylor46@>

> > > > > Subject: Am i right?

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 1:00 PM

> > > > > Hello

> > > > >

> > > > > I am feeling very low and depressed lately, i

> > > don't feel i

> > > > > can go on much longer.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am in the middle of being diagnosed, my dr

> > > wants me off

> > > > > the HC i'm taking for a few more weeks so he can

> > > test for:

> > > > > cushings/pseudocushings and retest other stuff

> > > like Growth

> > > > > hormone and testosterone (both of which i suspect

> > > will be

> > > > > low)

> > > > >

> > > > > My Testosterone level was 10.7 i think last month

> > > (range

> > > > > 10-30 blood test), and last year 9.27 i think.

> > > > >

> > > > > could really low hormone levels be making me feel

> > > this

> > > > > bad?  THat is my hunch (hunches have been right

> > > so far

> > > > > about adrenal fatigue, sleep apnea, and low

> > > testosterone

> > > > > levels).  but could i be wrong and it's

> > > something else

> > > > > that say i need psychiatric drugs for?  I am

> > > pinning my

> > > > > hope on this, as other things have failed

> > > (therapy, anti

> > > > > depressants, vitamins, minerals).

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks for any input

> > > > >

> > > > > chris

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

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From what I know when you do a Cortisol test it only mesures Cortisol but being

on HC can have an effet on labs this is why it is said to be off HC to do labs

like 4x's in a day Saliva test or 24 urine.

The test my Dr. does is just to tell him I am not shut down on to much HC if my

test were to come back very low after taking my morning dose of HC he would be

able to tell my dose is to strong. He came up with this Idea with my Heart Dr.

that was an Endo before he became a Heart Dr. so his is up on my pituitary

problems. I don't think your Dr. will find this test in the book. The test is

only showing them I am not shut down on to much HC.

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Phil

> From: <chrisjtaylor46@...>

> Subject: Re: Am i right?

>

> Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 3:48 PM

> Hi Phil

>

> well end of 2008, i had low cortisol, total saliva daily

> level was 15.5,range 21-41, i think. cortisol was low in 1st

> 2 morning samples, then within range in the afternoon (but

> only because the range was so low it was in range). 18

> months before, total saliva cortisol was 28 i think. 

> so a 50% drop in 18 months

>

> i have been on much higher doses of HC, 60mg when ill for a

> couple days, 40 for a few weeks but then felt i didn't need

> so much and dropped it to 30s, 20s then 10s and feel ok for

> doing so. 

>

> a fasting cortisol blood test has not been ordered for me i

> don't think though i've been advised this is avialable in

> the standard blood test ordered here.  but if i take

> dexa the night before, then it won't be accurate will it.

>

> an ACTH stim test hasn't been ordered....

>

> i don't think adrenals are the primary issue here, they are

> low (or high, maybe-but i don't see how) but i think the

> thinking is eitehr they are being dragged down by another

> failing gland?

>

> >> There is no why in hell one will get Cushings from

> doing 10mgs evern 40mgs of HC.

>

> this is what i don't understand.  This dr is very well

> educated, very well reputed, so i wonder if he is just being

> very thorough, just to cover his own back?  he is only

> testing for cushings, not high /low cortisol before the

> cushings test?   he said he thought my

> adrenals would be suppressed even on 10mg hc.  so if

> they are suppressed then the only way i'll have high

> cortisol is by taking lots and lots of HC, which i'm not,

> right?   or, cortisol levels will be high if

> the feedback loop is not working, or if i have an adrenal

> stimulating tumour?  am i right?  i am not trying

> to second guess him as such, just trying to work out where

> we're going.

>

> if i'm low in hormones i just want a replacement, but

> irealise they have to work out if ther is a major thing

> going on like cushings/psuedo cushings, but the adrenal

> suppression thing rules that out, and why not just do a

> cortisol test *now* while i'm on it so we see where we are

> now? 

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: <chrisjtaylor46@>

> > > > > Subject: Am i right?

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 1:00 PM

> > > > > Hello

> > > > >

> > > > > I am feeling very low and depressed

> lately, i

> > > don't feel i

> > > > > can go on much longer.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am in the middle of being diagnosed,

> my dr

> > > wants me off

> > > > > the HC i'm taking for a few more weeks

> so he can

> > > test for:

> > > > > cushings/pseudocushings and retest

> other stuff

> > > like Growth

> > > > > hormone and testosterone (both of which

> i suspect

> > > will be

> > > > > low)

> > > > >

> > > > > My Testosterone level was 10.7 i think

> last month

> > > (range

> > > > > 10-30 blood test), and last year 9.27 i

> think.

> > > > >

> > > > > could really low hormone levels be

> making me feel

> > > this

> > > > > bad?  THat is my hunch (hunches have

> been right

> > > so far

> > > > > about adrenal fatigue, sleep apnea, and

> low

> > > testosterone

> > > > > levels).  but could i be wrong and

> it's

> > > something else

> > > > > that say i need psychiatric drugs

> for?  I am

> > > pinning my

> > > > > hope on this, as other things have

> failed

> > > (therapy, anti

> > > > > depressants, vitamins, minerals).

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks for any input

> > > > >

> > > > > chris

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Yep I do this a lot I guess I am getting old. I ment to say 's but can

too much HC also cause Cushings.

====================================================

Background

's disease, also called adrenal insufficiency or hypocortisolism, is a

rare endocrine (hormonal) disorder that is characterized by weight loss, muscle

weakness, fatigue, low blood pressure, and occasional darkening of the skin.

's disease is named after Dr. , who first identified

adrenal insufficiency in 1849. The disease occurs when the adrenal glands do not

produce enough of the hormone cortisol and, in some cases, the hormone

aldosterone.

====================================================

What causes Cushing’s syndrome?

Cushing’s syndrome occurs when the body’s tissues are exposed to high levels

of cortisol for too long. Many people develop Cushing’s syndrome because they

take glucocorticoids—steroid hormones that are chemically similar to naturally

produced cortisol—such as prednisone for asthma, rheumatoid arthritis, lupus,

and other inflammatory diseases. Glucocorticoids are also used to suppress the

immune system after transplantation to keep the body from rejecting the new

organ or tissue.

Other people develop Cushing’s syndrome because their bodies produce too much

cortisol. Normally, the production of cortisol follows a precise chain of

events. First, the hypothalamus, a part of the brain about the size of a small

sugar cube, sends corticotropin-releasing hormone (CRH) to the pituitary gland.

CRH causes the pituitary to secrete adrenocorticotropin hormone (ACTH), which

stimulates the adrenal glands. When the adrenals, which are located just above

the kidneys, receive the ACTH, they respond by releasing cortisol into the

bloodstream.

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Phil

> From: <chrisjtaylor46@...>

> Subject: Re: Am i right?

>

> Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 3:56 PM

> >When you do a fasting blood test

> after taking your morning dose your looking for

> your levels to not be to low this would mean your shut down

> as long as you show

> a level 6 to 16 your Adrenals are still working with

> **Cushings** your Adrenals quit

> working or slow down to much.

>

> was this a typo, Phil?  I thought addisons is when

> they shut down, cushings is when they're way too high?

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: <chrisjtaylor46@>

> > > > > Subject: Am i right?

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 1:00 PM

> > > > > Hello

> > > > >

> > > > > I am feeling very low and depressed

> lately, i

> > > don't feel i

> > > > > can go on much longer.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am in the middle of being diagnosed,

> my dr

> > > wants me off

> > > > > the HC i'm taking for a few more weeks

> so he can

> > > test for:

> > > > > cushings/pseudocushings and retest

> other stuff

> > > like Growth

> > > > > hormone and testosterone (both of which

> i suspect

> > > will be

> > > > > low)

> > > > >

> > > > > My Testosterone level was 10.7 i think

> last month

> > > (range

> > > > > 10-30 blood test), and last year 9.27 i

> think.

> > > > >

> > > > > could really low hormone levels be

> making me feel

> > > this

> > > > > bad?  THat is my hunch (hunches have

> been right

> > > so far

> > > > > about adrenal fatigue, sleep apnea, and

> low

> > > testosterone

> > > > > levels).  but could i be wrong and

> it's

> > > something else

> > > > > that say i need psychiatric drugs

> for?  I am

> > > pinning my

> > > > > hope on this, as other things have

> failed

> > > (therapy, anti

> > > > > depressants, vitamins, minerals).

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks for any input

> > > > >

> > > > > chris

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Yes coming off HC you need to be careful watch for Adrenal Crisis. Shaking

feeling very weak like your going to pass out and becoming sick to your stomach.

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Phil

> From: <chrisjtaylor46@...>

> Subject: Re: Am i right?

>

> Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 4:00 PM

> maybe i'm making too much of the

> cushings test, i'm just wondering if coming off the adrenal

> support is making my mood lower.

>

> sorry to go on and all the posts etc.

>

>

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > > From: Chris

> <chrisjtaylor46@>

> > > > > > Subject: Am i

> right?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010,

> 1:00 PM

> > > > > > Hello

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am feeling very low and

> depressed lately, i

> > > > don't feel i

> > > > > > can go on much longer.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am in the middle of being

> diagnosed, my dr

> > > > wants me off

> > > > > > the HC i'm taking for a few more

> weeks so he can

> > > > test for:

> > > > > > cushings/pseudocushings and retest

> other stuff

> > > > like Growth

> > > > > > hormone and testosterone (both of

> which i suspect

> > > > will be

> > > > > > low)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My Testosterone level was 10.7 i

> think last month

> > > > (range

> > > > > > 10-30 blood test), and last year

> 9.27 i think.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > could really low hormone levels be

> making me feel

> > > > this

> > > > > > bad?  THat is my hunch (hunches

> have been right

> > > > so far

> > > > > > about adrenal fatigue, sleep

> apnea, and low

> > > > testosterone

> > > > > > levels).  but could i be wrong

> and it's

> > > > something else

> > > > > > that say i need psychiatric drugs

> for?  I am

> > > > pinning my

> > > > > > hope on this, as other things have

> failed

> > > > (therapy, anti

> > > > > > depressants, vitamins, minerals).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > thanks for any input

> > > > > >

> > > > > > chris

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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" " <chrisjtaylor46@...> wrote:

> well end of 2008, i had low cortisol, total saliva daily level was 15.5,range

21-41, i think. cortisol was low in 1st 2 morning samples, then within range in

the afternoon (but only because the range was so low it was in range). 18 months

before, total saliva cortisol was 28 i think. so a 50% drop in 18 months

> i don't think adrenals are the primary issue here, they are low (or high,

maybe-but i don't see how) but i think the thinking is eitehr they are being

dragged down by another failing gland?

And where are your thyroid levels in all of this? Thyroid, cortisol, and

adrenaline all work together. When one is low, the others rise to compensate.

When my thyroid dose was dropped too low, it caused my cortisol levels to fall

to match, making me hypoglycemic, which triggered panic attacks. My BP and

pulse shot up because adrenaline was trying to compensate for the lack of the

other two. By supporting the adrenals and slowly raising the thyroid back up,

the hypoglycemia and panic attacks went away.

Have you had labs for Free T3, FT4, rT3 and Hashimotos and/or Graves antibodies?

Barb

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Sounds just like me.

Apnea, low T - apparently low adrenal function, but also hypothyroid.

Hypothyroidism can cause sleep apnea.

Go to a good thyroid doc and check into that.

Treating my thyroid made the most difference in the way I feel, though I'm still

a work in progress.

>

> Hello

>

> I am feeling very low and depressed lately, i don't feel i can go on much

longer.

>

> I am in the middle of being diagnosed, my dr wants me off the HC i'm taking

for a few more weeks so he can test for: cushings/pseudocushings and retest

other stuff like Growth hormone and testosterone (both of which i suspect will

be low)

>

> My Testosterone level was 10.7 i think last month (range 10-30 blood test),

and last year 9.27 i think.

>

> could really low hormone levels be making me feel this bad? THat is my hunch

(hunches have been right so far about adrenal fatigue, sleep apnea, and low

testosterone levels). but could i be wrong and it's something else that say i

need psychiatric drugs for? I am pinning my hope on this, as other things have

failed (therapy, anti depressants, vitamins, minerals).

>

> thanks for any input

>

> chris

>

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thyroid does seem ok - tsh about 0.5-7, t4 levels fine, converting t4 to t3 ok.

despite trying thyroid meds it's all fine and all thyroid meds make me wor se

(t4,t3/t4:t3 mix, armour, naturethroid etc).

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> > well end of 2008, i had low cortisol, total saliva daily level was

15.5,range 21-41, i think. cortisol was low in 1st 2 morning samples, then

within range in the afternoon (but only because the range was so low it was in

range). 18 months before, total saliva cortisol was 28 i think. so a 50% drop

in 18 months

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> > i don't think adrenals are the primary issue here, they are low (or high,

maybe-but i don't see how) but i think the thinking is eitehr they are being

dragged down by another failing gland?

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> And where are your thyroid levels in all of this? Thyroid, cortisol, and

adrenaline all work together. When one is low, the others rise to compensate.

When my thyroid dose was dropped too low, it caused my cortisol levels to fall

to match, making me hypoglycemic, which triggered panic attacks. My BP and

pulse shot up because adrenaline was trying to compensate for the lack of the

other two. By supporting the adrenals and slowly raising the thyroid back up,

the hypoglycemia and panic attacks went away.

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> Have you had labs for Free T3, FT4, rT3 and Hashimotos and/or Graves

antibodies?

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> Barb

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