TSH

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After being on the medication, your TSH should go up. Mine is now at about 3

which is considered normal. But normal seems to vary amoung individuals.

My clinic considers .2-5.5 the normal range. After 5.5 one begins feeling

hypo. (which cause weight gain, lethargy, fatigue, etc.)

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Debbie,<br>Thanks for this information, I am not

looking forward to what is going to happen to me after

the baby is born (which is in 13 days)!!<br>I have

been told my some people that your levels drop

sometimes after birth, and to imagine having a c-section

and then feeling all those bad thyroid symptoms, I am

not looking forward to that.<br>But, I will talk to

my dr about what you have posted and maybe I can

avoid that.<br>My levels have stayed the same during my

pregnancy, they haven't need to be adjusted. I am just

looking forward to giving birth, I am so

uncomfortable......I am on countdown mode now..I have a sceduled c-

section on July 25th..<br>How is little baby boy???? I

hope doing well, I am a little nervous about having

three instead of two, It will be intresting.<br>well,

take care,<br>

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Nope not any more. Once I found out that I had hypothyroid, I stopped

all soy. I have been taking great vitamins and minerals plus kelp

and keeping away from all goiter foods. I need to know what to do

so that I can maintain this pregnancy.

Thanks,

Lynnda

Pierce wrote:

Hi Lynnda, do you by any chance eat or drink

soy products? If so, that

causes your TSH to fluctuate.

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From: Lynnda Coyle <lynnda@...>

Reply-hypothyroidism

hypothroidism <hypothyroidism >

Subject: TSH

Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:00:07 -0400

OK, I have a problem and need help.

I just found out I am expecting. About two months ago when

I lost my

last child at 20 weeks the Dr found out that I had hypothyroidism.

My

TSH was then about 5.4 . I have taken really good multiple

vitamins and

kelp, keeping away from the goiter family foods and yesterday I

went in

for another TSH test and I just found out today that I am in the

9 point

range. What is happening? Why would I be going up and

not down? I

will be going on the natural hormones as I have to get my level

down

fast because of this pregnancy. Any info would be helpful

on what I am

doing wrong and what I can do better.

Thanks,

Lynnda

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Hi Lynnda, do you by any chance eat or drink soy products? If so, that

causes your TSH to fluctuate.

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From: Lynnda Coyle <lynnda@...>

Reply-hypothyroidism

hypothroidism <hypothyroidism >

Subject: TSH

Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:00:07 -0400

OK, I have a problem and need help.

I just found out I am expecting. About two months ago when I lost my

last child at 20 weeks the Dr found out that I had hypothyroidism. My

TSH was then about 5.4 . I have taken really good multiple vitamins and

kelp, keeping away from the goiter family foods and yesterday I went in

for another TSH test and I just found out today that I am in the 9 point

range. What is happening? Why would I be going up and not down? I

will be going on the natural hormones as I have to get my level down

fast because of this pregnancy. Any info would be helpful on what I am

doing wrong and what I can do better.

Thanks,

Lynnda

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Lynnda:

Miscarriages are caused by excess estrogen.

Excess estrogen is opposed by....

1-thyroid function

2-taking a natural progesterone

Thyroid is corrected by...checking out www.thyrodine.com

progesterone creams are available from most health food stores or

naturopaths

It also pays to follow a good nutritional program, one is found at

www.hacres.com theres a bitof biblical lore here too that you can ignore, if

so inclined.

avoid chlorine/fluorides/chemicals in water.

take cilantro if you have amalgam in your teeth www.kitchendoctor.com

avoid unfermentd soy products

find some bee pollen and take 2 to 4 tablespoons on your raw fruit and veges

eat all organically grown food.

Earl

Earl

TSH

OK, I have a problem and need help.

I just found out I am expecting. About two months ago when I lost my

last child at 20 weeks the Dr found out that I had hypothyroidism. My

TSH was then about 5.4 . I have taken really good multiple vitamins and

kelp, keeping away from the goiter family foods and yesterday I went in

for another TSH test and I just found out today that I am in the 9 point

range. What is happening? Why would I be going up and not down? I

will be going on the natural hormones as I have to get my level down

fast because of this pregnancy. Any info would be helpful on what I am

doing wrong and what I can do better.

Thanks,

Lynnda

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Thanks for your opinion Chuck. I have been dealing with my thyroid for years

and everytime I have to go in I want to make sure I get my money's worth from

the dr. None of this here's you script and him out the door. Naomi

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first thanks a 100 times for this info--I am busy going through it

all and sending it out----found this site while checking around---

also sent this info out to daughters school--maybe UCLA could learn

something???

anyway found this site to double check for others, while bouncing

around the web----

http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/sym/adrenal_gland_symptoms.htm

daughter still has very few adrenal symptoms---but not ruling them

out at all--

her prolactin levels were so low --so no pituitary problem----but we

never ruled out adrenal problems, they would not do a dhea test when

we asked---figures

tina

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Tina,

You wrote:

>

> ... I don't think too many doctors understand the correlation between the

> t3 and tsh.

Not only T3 reduces TSH, R-T3 and two of the isomers of T2 do also. That

means that if T4-T3 conversion is inhibited, TSH can still be reduced,

just not by as much. This still fits with your description of what can

happen when you switch from Cytomel to Armour, if conversion is

suppressed. T3 ends up at the same or even higher level, but TSH comes

back up, because the metabolic removal channel (R-T3, T2, T1) is not as

effective at holding TSH down.

Chuck

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shelia's doctor kept on telling her she was in the hyper range when

she had no symptoms of this--her tsh dropped down to .003 or

something like that when she was taking cytomel--then she switched to

armour and got off cytomel and her tsh rose.

My daughters was .02 when her t3 skyrocketed to 172 from a 70 low.

After being on all the supplements. This was before we used thyroid

meds just adrenal glandualars and vitamins/minerals.

I guess the point I am trying to make is and others have been doing

this as well--is why don't the doctors realize this? why do they just

use the TSH test and not all the others as well. How can they justify

using the tsh when it only fits in a few areas of thyroid disease.

(Barb)

This test is really not telling you the entire picture of what is

going on--it only seems to work if you have high tsh along with high

t4 (or is it low t4 as well) and that one is the only one they seem

to understand---which ususally equals in their mind hypothyroid and

or hashi's patients follow this mode---having low t3 and low tsh

dumbfounds them.

and then you have shelia who has hashi's with low tsh--doctor never

tested her t3 levels only her t4--So we don't know what is the story

here only can say she took too much cytomel for her tsh to be so low--

but of course still her doctor has no idea.

I've just been trying to figure this out myself. thanks for you

explanation---tina

> >

> > ... I don't think too many doctors understand the correlation

between the

> > t3 and tsh.

>

> Not only T3 reduces TSH, R-T3 and two of the isomers of T2 do also.

That

> means that if T4-T3 conversion is inhibited, TSH can still be

reduced,

> just not by as much. This still fits with your description of what

can

> happen when you switch from Cytomel to Armour, if conversion is

> suppressed. T3 ends up at the same or even higher level, but TSH

comes

> back up, because the metabolic removal channel (R-T3, T2, T1) is

not as

> effective at holding TSH down.

>

> Chuck

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it's all very interesting. I think you're right that most docs don't understand

the correlation between TSH and T3. take care, sheial

tina83862 <tina83862@...> wrote: " Because T3 but not T4 can shut down the

pituitary TSH, we

investigated a possible role of D2 in establishing the negative

feedback loop "

The reason why I was searching into this at the time everytime M's t3

increased her tsh dropped and I was trying to figure out why---above

here is a quote from the second link in the prior message.

So one could see that when Shelia was taking in cytomel her tsh was

also dropping and now that she has reduced her doseage of it only

taking armour now her tsh has risen. This would show this analysis is

correct in this respect.

I don't think too many doctors understand the correlation between the

t3 and tsh.

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Bev,

Why do you try to keep your free T4 at the very bottom of the range? Just

wondering because I think mine is at the top?

In a message dated 8/3/07 10:18:29 PM, bdowns45681@... writes:

>

> My TSH is <.01 also, and it's works for me because my body has a

> problem coverting T4 to T3 so I have to kind of bypass the TSH and

> only dose by mainly my FT3 and I keep an eye on my FT4 too. I try

> to keep FT3 at the very top of the range (about 4.2) & my FT4 at the

> bottom about 1/4 from the bottom..

> Bev

>

>

>

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Had you taken your Thyrolar that day? That'll do it.

TSH isn't such a good test of thyroid function. It's actually

kind of a (in my opinion) stupid test. Knowing what your Free T3 and

Free T4 are is far more important than a TSH reading. TSH can be

affected by " illness " , " stress " , infection, adrenal hormones, etc...

Being in the ER would kind of be stressful, especially if you were

ill enough to be there.

Sam

>

> I forgot to mention that when I was in the ER last

> Friday night, one of the tests they did was thyroid,

> TSH only and it was less than .o1.

>

> The cardiologist thinks this means that I have too

> much thyroid, and might have to lower my dose.

>

> I have the paperwork to get a new full testing, but I

> am going to wait a bit I think. He wants me to contact

> my doctor and tell him what has happened, so I'll do

> that next week.

>

> Roni

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My TSH is <.01 also, and it's works for me because my body has a

problem coverting T4 to T3 so I have to kind of bypass the TSH and

only dose by mainly my FT3 and I keep an eye on my FT4 too. I try

to keep FT3 at the very top of the range (about 4.2) & my FT4 at the

bottom about 1/4 from the bottom..

Bev

>

> I forgot to mention that when I was in the ER last

> Friday night, one of the tests they did was thyroid,

> TSH only and it was less than .o1.

>

> The cardiologist thinks this means that I have too

> much thyroid, and might have to lower my dose.

>

> I have the paperwork to get a new full testing, but I

> am going to wait a bit I think. He wants me to contact

> my doctor and tell him what has happened, so I'll do

> that next week.

>

> Roni

>

>

>

>

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My body doesnt convert T4 to T3 very well so extra T4 is useless and

I don't want all the T4 to just floating around in my body plus

extra T4 could and might convert to RT3 which is Reverse T3 and it

does exactly what is says..It slows down metabolism and so forth.

This is just for people like me that don't convert very well. But I

have heard on here that most people do like their FT4 to be around

the first quarter of the range..

Bev

>

> Bev,

>

> Why do you try to keep your free T4 at the very bottom of the

range? Just

> wondering because I think mine is at the top?

>

>

>

>

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FT4 should be in upper quadrant of range, and mine is, tippy top.

Gracia

Subject: Re: TSH

My body doesnt convert T4 to T3 very well so extra T4 is useless and

I don't want all the T4 to just floating around in my body plus

extra T4 could and might convert to RT3 which is Reverse T3 and it

does exactly what is says..It slows down metabolism and so forth.

This is just for people like me that don't convert very well. But I

have heard on here that most people do like their FT4 to be around

the first quarter of the range..

Bev

>

> Bev,

>

> Why do you try to keep your free T4 at the very bottom of the

range? Just

> wondering because I think mine is at the top?

>

>

>

>

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the tsh tells me it is not a thtroid problem. If it did show off the norm, i would test for t3 and t4. That is what several practicioners told me. michaelOlif <OVanPelt@...> wrote: Bernie: "The point is the TSH test is not sufficient, you also need the T3 and T4 tests as well to get a real indication of where your body really is." You really want the FREE

T3 and FREE T4, if you can find a doctor who will order them. -Olif

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:

"the tsh tells me it is not a thtroid problem. If it did show off the norm, i would test for t3 and t4. That is what several practicioners told me."

TSH comes from the pituitary, signaling the thyroid to produce more hormone. So, it is testing pituitary output of a hormone, but not thyroid directly.

-Olif

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Booo, so I should go back for the other tests i could have done in the first place? If I am only showing low basal temperature, and tiredness, what is the odds that it is thyroid? Should I take some other tests too, for a 52 yr old man? Mymedlab.com is <of course , trying to push this on me. Olif <OVanPelt@...> wrote: : "the tsh tells me it is not a thtroid problem. If it did show off the norm, i would test

for t3 and t4. That is what several practicioners told me." TSH comes from the pituitary, signaling the thyroid to produce more hormone. So, it is testing pituitary output of a hormone, but not thyroid directly. -Olif

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:

"Booo, so I should go back for the other tests i could have done in the first place?

If I am only showing low basal temperature, and tiredness, what is the odds that it is thyroid?"

Tiredness can be low adrenals. I am not sure if that directly has anything to do with low basal temps, but if the adrenals aren't working well, the thyroid can't either.

In women, low progesterone can cause low basal temps. Maybe low testosterone might cause this in men?! I am sorry, but I don't know.

-Olif

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Well, I dont appear to have low testosterone (or sex drive , anyway). The adrenals I have always worried about (and should test ?) , my dad was a violent alchoholic and so my adrenals would have been affected. What is a good remedy for this? Ground up adrenal glands? And how much?Olif <OVanPelt@...> wrote: : "Booo, so I should go back for the other tests i could have done in the first place? If I am only showing low basal temperature, and tiredness, what is

the odds that it is thyroid?" Tiredness can be low adrenals. I am not sure if that directly has anything to do with low basal temps, but if the adrenals aren't working well, the thyroid can't either. In women, low progesterone can cause low basal temps. Maybe low testosterone might cause this in men?! I am sorry, but I don't know. -Olif

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HI

Welcome to our forum and I hope you do get all the help and support you need.

I am assuming then that your last TSH test was carried out three months ago. Did you take your L-thyroxine on the morning you had your blood drawn for this last test, because we recommend that you stop for at least 24 hours to get a truer test result. 25 mcgs increase may make an enormous amount of difference, you must remember that T4 builds up in your body over 6 weeks, so you might be surprised that your TSH may well be lower. The preferred level for somebody taking L-thyroxine is around 1 - but more importantly, how do you actually feel since this latest increase. Do you feel some of your symptoms have reduced?

Did the doctor test your Free T4 and Free T3 as these are important. Did you have a blood test to see if you have antibodies to your thyroid?

Luv - Sheila

Hi I am new here and think I am going to find this site useful.I was diagnosed with Hypothyroid in October 2006, I have Hashimotos disease. At my last test my TSH was 4.5 and my doc incresed my thyroxine from 75mcg to 100mcg which I have been taking now for 3 months. I had another test last week and am going back for the results tomorrow, does anyone know if a 25mcg increase will have made that much difference and if I am likely to need another increase? What is the prefered level of TSH? I know I was at the higher end of the scale.Thanks everyone

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Hi No I never take my thyroxine on the morning of my blood test I wait until after the blood has been drawn, my last test was a week ago and I am going for the results tomorrow and the one before that was 3 months ago when my dose was then increase by 25mcg. I always have the thyroid anti body test and its always high because I have Hashimotos. I dont think I get tested for free T3 and T4, not sure really, I think its just usually the TSH test I have.I have never got down to a result of 1 before, I think the lowest has been around 2.5 ish. I dont feel completly better yet but a lot better than I did this time in 2006, I was suffering with anxiety and depression and really felt very unwell. I still havent lost weight either! I am interested as to why if the free T3 and T4 are important why arent they tested aswell and what treatment is given for that? Thanks Shelia sheilaturner <sheilaturner@...> wrote: HI Welcome to our forum and I hope you do get all the help and support you need. I am assuming then that your last TSH test was carried out three months ago. Did you take your L-thyroxine on the morning you had your blood drawn for this last test, because we

recommend that you stop for at least 24 hours to get a truer test result. 25 mcgs increase may make an enormous amount of difference, you must remember that T4 builds up in your body over 6 weeks, so you might be surprised that your TSH may well be lower. The preferred level for somebody taking L-thyroxine is around 1 - but more importantly, how do you actually feel since this latest increase. Do you feel some of your symptoms have reduced? Did the doctor test your Free T4 and Free T3 as these are important. Did you have a blood test to see if you have antibodies to your thyroid? Luv - Sheila Hi I am new here and think I am going to find this site useful.I was diagnosed with Hypothyroid in October 2006, I have Hashimotos disease. At my last test my TSH was 4.5 and my doc incresed my thyroxine from 75mcg to 100mcg which I have been taking now for 3 months. I had another test last week and am going back for the results tomorrow, does anyone know if a 25mcg increase will have made that much difference and if I am likely to need another increase? What is the prefered level of TSH? I know I was at the higher end of the scale.Thanks everyone No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.1/1385 - Release Date: 18/04/2008 09:30

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Hi hun

I felt rubbish even with a low tsh then felt just as rubbish with a

tsh of 6.99 it never made much difference except TSH is pro

inflammatory and my chest had a tendency to be worse along with knees

etc.

I heard somewhere that you cannot lose weight with a TSH over 2.0 now

I have no idea what research they got that from if any. However I

have had yoyo weight which never came off properly since diagnosis in

the 80s so if you are expecting the weight to drop off, don't. You may

get some off if you feel better and able to get out and about more and

be more active.

Good luck with it

God bless

Dawnx

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Hi ,

Welcome to the list! Generally folk feel best at the low end of

the TSH- over 90% of healthy folk have a TSH of around 1.0 so why should we

accept it higher? 25mcg may make the difference you need or you may need to

go higher. It is also possible that T4 (thyroxine) is not the best med for

you- but that usually ends up with the patient having to go private, but

there are a few enlightened endos out there.

Do lots of reading- the files area is fascinating, then ask away!

Subject: TSH

Hi I am new here and think I am going to find this site useful.

I was diagnosed with Hypothyroid in October 2006, I have Hashimotos

disease. At my last test my TSH was 4.5 and my doc incresed my

thyroxine from 75mcg to 100mcg which I have been taking now for 3

months. What is the

prefered level of TSH? I know I was at the higher end of the scale.

Thanks everyone

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Hi Again I have been and got my results today and my TSH is now 3.3 (it was 4.5 before my increase) my T4 14.something! Thyroid anti bodies are always high and they are in the 700's. I have therefore had another 25mcg increase and to go back in 2 months for a re test. My doctor said my T4 is on the low side and they usually like it around the 17 mark and the TSH is within the normal range but I could increase if I felt I needed to. So hopefully this might just be the increase I need to stablise things but I always worry it might send me the other way and become Hyper! I am sure I am worry for no reason though. Any comments and thoughts would be appreciated. jenny stenning <jennystenning@...> wrote: Hi ,Welcome to the list! Generally folk feel best at the low end ofthe TSH- over 90% of healthy folk have a TSH of around 1.0 so why should weaccept it higher? 25mcg may make the difference you need or you may need togo higher. It is also possible that T4 (thyroxine) is not the best med foryou- but that usually ends up with the patient having to go private, butthere are a few enlightened endos out there.Do lots of reading- the files area is fascinating, then ask away!Subject: TSHHi I am new here and think I am going to find this site useful.I was diagnosed with Hypothyroid in October 2006, I have Hashimotos disease. At my

last test my TSH was 4.5 and my doc incresed my thyroxine from 75mcg to 100mcg which I have been taking now for 3 months. What is the prefered level of TSH? I know I was at the higher end of the scale.Thanks everyone------------------------------------Messages are not a substitute for professional medical advice. Alwaysconsult with a suitably qualified practitioner before changingmedication.