TSH

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Gluten-free isn't that hard to do... especially when you feel soooo much

better without it.

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> Ohhhh my gosh! I don't know if I could go gluten free. Ouch

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I agree. You just have to get into a new " groove " with cooking and what

products you use. It seems hard at first. I took a GF baking class. I was

having issues getting my iron levels (along with other things) up and we

think it is related to gluten. I am wondering how my iodine loading test

will come out. I was having issues getting that level up too. Maybe it is

related too???

Steph

RE: Re: TSH

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> Gluten-free isn't that hard to do... especially when you feel soooo much

> better without it.

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>> Ohhhh my gosh! I don't know if I could go gluten free. Ouch

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Dear Steph ~

Hmmmm... that would be interesting: a connection between gluten, iron, and

iodine. Keep us posted.

And to whomever started this gluten thread: I also have allergies to eggs,

soy, dairy, and corn. Try keeping all of those items out of your diet!

Just eliminating the gluten would be easy.

~

-----Original Message-----

I agree. You just have to get into a new " groove " with cooking and what

products you use. It seems hard at first. I took a GF baking class. I was

having issues getting my iron levels (along with other things) up and we

think it is related to gluten. I am wondering how my iodine loading test

will come out. I was having issues getting that level up too. Maybe it is

related too???

Steph

[Guest guest]

I have soy too. Corn and dairy would be hard for me.

Steph

RE: Re: TSH

> Dear Steph ~

>

> Hmmmm... that would be interesting: a connection between gluten, iron,

> and

> iodine. Keep us posted.

>

> And to whomever started this gluten thread: I also have allergies to

> eggs,

> soy, dairy, and corn. Try keeping all of those items out of your diet!

> Just eliminating the gluten would be easy.

>

> ~

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

>

> I agree. You just have to get into a new " groove " with cooking and what

> products you use. It seems hard at first. I took a GF baking class. I

> was

> having issues getting my iron levels (along with other things) up and we

> think it is related to gluten. I am wondering how my iodine loading test

> will come out. I was having issues getting that level up too. Maybe it

> is

> related too???

>

> Steph

>

>

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I work in a group home and nutritionist there believes in low salt/low fat diet (and doesn't look very good either except she is skinny!). it is like being on another planet compared to what I think is "healthy". These are MR/CP ppl and desperately need iodine but they get drugs instead. I spend 8 hours feeding, toileting and medicating 8 ppl!!

but what I wanted to say is that I would think enough iodine/Armour and salt would solve the edema problem. when I was pregnant at age 24 I had severe edema. I had just had 1/2 of my thyroid gland removed, no meds, and doc put me on no salt diet and gave me pills. when I told him they didn't work he said "take more".

Gracia

I know TSH doesn't mean much but, when taking Iodine, does it make your TSH go up or down usually? I had to go to my "other" DR and they drew my TSH and I got the results today and it was .002 so they did a re-draw today. I hate telling them all I take, such as Iodine, 1 tsp of SALT they flip over that part since I have severe edema, but I did tell them today and they were lost as to why I would do that. Oh well, was just wondering about the TSH.Thank you, Janie

[Guest guest]

you are on enough Armour and iodine and still have edema?

Gracia

This was just a conventional DR, , not holistic. They only know about TSH...lol. He was testing for some other things and threw the TSH in there. He said he was going to find out why I have such extreme edema. Felt like saying, OK, your the hero, nobody in 16 yrs of testing me knows why but, OK. I only went back to him because they hold my Lasix and K-dur hostage. If you don't go every so often, they won't refill it. He ran an electrocardiogram, chest x-ray, pelvic ultrasound, blood test for kidney disease. I was waiting for them to insisted I have a mammogram, not going to happen!Anyway, I was just wondering why that TSH was so low and if it had to do with the iodine. I will let DR B worry about the important stuff.They said my cholesterol is 191 and that is just too high! I think there was a poster on every wall from drug reps advertising statins. Grrrrrr.Janie

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[Guest guest]

Hi Gracia,

For some reason your posts always pop up late and out of order. I don't know if it is just my computer or if it happens with everyone in the group. You may be wondering why someone did not respond to your post. Just wanted to let you know.

From: Gracia <circe@...>Subject: Re: Re: TSHiodine Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 12:20 AM

you are on enough Armour and iodine and still have edema?

Gracia

This was just a conventional DR, , not holistic. They only know about TSH...lol. He was testing for some other things and threw the TSH in there. He said he was going to find out why I have such extreme edema. Felt like saying, OK, your the hero, nobody in 16 yrs of testing me knows why but, OK. I only went back to him because they hold my Lasix and K-dur hostage. If you don't go every so often, they won't refill it. He ran an electrocardiogram, chest x-ray, pelvic ultrasound, blood test for kidney disease. I was waiting for them to insisted I have a mammogram, not going to happen!Anyway, I was just wondering why that TSH was so low and if it had to do with the iodine. I will let DR B worry about the important stuff.They said my cholesterol is 191 and that is just too high! I think there was a poster on every wall from drug reps advertising statins. Grrrrrr.Janie

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It's because I approve them for posting.

Steph

Re: Re: TSHiodine Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 12:20 AM

you are on enough Armour and iodine and still have edema?

Gracia

This was just a conventional DR, , not holistic. They only know about TSH...lol. He was testing for some other things and threw the TSH in there. He said he was going to find out why I have such extreme edema. Felt like saying, OK, your the hero, nobody in 16 yrs of testing me knows why but, OK. I only went back to him because they hold my Lasix and K-dur hostage. If you don't go every so often, they won't refill it. He ran an electrocardiogram, chest x-ray, pelvic ultrasound, blood test for kidney disease. I was waiting for them to insisted I have a mammogram, not going to happen!Anyway, I was just wondering why that TSH was so low and if it had to do with the iodine. I will let DR B worry about the important stuff.They said my cholesterol is 191 and that is just too high! I think there was a poster on every wall from drug reps advertising statins. Grrrrrr.Janie

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I know! usually I am reading emails late at night/morning b/c I work afternoons/evenings. I have dialup (( and sometimes cannot get on the internet. today I had to download triple emails (500). ridiculous.

Gracia

Hi Gracia,

For some reason your posts always pop up late and out of order. I don't know if it is just my computer or if it happens with everyone in the group. You may be wondering why someone did not respond to your post. Just wanted to let you know.

From: Gracia <circe@...>Subject: Re: Re: TSHiodine Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 12:20 AM

you are on enough Armour and iodine and still have edema?

Gracia

This was just a conventional DR, , not holistic. They only know about TSH...lol. He was testing for some other things and threw the TSH in there. He said he was going to find out why I have such extreme edema. Felt like saying, OK, your the hero, nobody in 16 yrs of testing me knows why but, OK. I only went back to him because they hold my Lasix and K-dur hostage. If you don't go every so often, they won't refill it. He ran an electrocardiogram, chest x-ray, pelvic ultrasound, blood test for kidney disease. I was waiting for them to insisted I have a mammogram, not going to happen!Anyway, I was just wondering why that TSH was so low and if it had to do with the iodine. I will let DR B worry about the important stuff.They said my cholesterol is 191 and that is just too high! I think there was a poster on every wall from drug reps advertising statins. Grrrrrr.Janie

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Hi Gracia,

I sure know where you are coming from! I work at a hospital

(med/surg/oncology unit) and there are SO many things that drive me

crazy there. Like you said, the low salt/low fat diets, your body

NEEDS salt and the minerals that go along with it, but no salt for

the ones that need it the most.And the ones that do get salt get the

white crap that is no good for you. And your body needs HEALTHY fats

like butter from grass fed beef (coconut oil too) but what do they

pass out? Promise margerine! And we won't even go there about the

chemo and radation! That REALLY sends me into orbit...lol. You don't

know how many days I wish I could just go room to room and pass out

Iodine to every patient.

Janie

>

>

> I work in a group home and nutritionist there believes in low

salt/low fat diet (and doesn't look very good either except she is

skinny!). it is like being on another planet compared to what I

think is " healthy " . These are MR/CP ppl and desperately need iodine

but they get drugs instead. I spend 8 hours feeding, toileting and

medicating 8 ppl!!

> but what I wanted to say is that I would think enough

iodine/Armour and salt would solve the edema problem. when I was

pregnant at age 24 I had severe edema. I had just had 1/2 of my

thyroid gland removed, no meds, and doc put me on no salt diet and

gave me pills. when I told him they didn't work he said " take

more " .

> Gracia

>

> I know TSH doesn't mean much but, when taking Iodine, does it

make your

> TSH go up or down usually? I had to go to my " other " DR and they

drew

> my TSH and I got the results today and it was .002 so they did a

re-

> draw today. I hate telling them all I take, such as Iodine, 1 tsp

of

> SALT they flip over that part since I have severe edema, but I

did tell

> them today and they were lost as to why I would do that. Oh well,

was

> just wondering about the TSH.

> Thank you, Janie

>

[Guest guest]

I think us in the healthcare field really have a hard time observing

these issues. I am a physical therapist, usually do outpatient but

got back into home health care. Most of my patients have low thyroid

function/adrenal fatigue. I see orthostatic hypotension like

crazy!!! I want to tell everyone what I know but risk pissing off

doctors. It is hard to see the elderly frail and on so many meds

making them sicker!!

Just had to share in the frustration.

> >

> >

> > I work in a group home and nutritionist there believes in low

> salt/low fat diet (and doesn't look very good either except she is

> skinny!). it is like being on another planet compared to what I

> think is " healthy " . These are MR/CP ppl and desperately need

iodine

> but they get drugs instead. I spend 8 hours feeding, toileting and

> medicating 8 ppl!!

> > but what I wanted to say is that I would think enough

> iodine/Armour and salt would solve the edema problem. when I was

> pregnant at age 24 I had severe edema. I had just had 1/2 of my

> thyroid gland removed, no meds, and doc put me on no salt diet and

> gave me pills. when I told him they didn't work he said " take

> more " .

> > Gracia

> >

> > I know TSH doesn't mean much but, when taking Iodine, does it

> make your

> > TSH go up or down usually? I had to go to my " other " DR and

they

> drew

> > my TSH and I got the results today and it was .002 so they did

a

> re-

> > draw today. I hate telling them all I take, such as Iodine, 1

tsp

> of

> > SALT they flip over that part since I have severe edema, but I

> did tell

> > them today and they were lost as to why I would do that. Oh

well,

> was

> > just wondering about the TSH.

> > Thank you, Janie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Gracia,

I am on 2 grains of Nature-throid (same as Armour), 50 mg Lugol's,

prgnenolone, DMG, many other natural stuff Dr B put me on. And yes, I

have severe pitting edema, always. I have had it since I was about 18

years old and at that time, I weighed about 115 lbs. Maybe starting

into hypo but wasn't over weight. Hypo kicked in BIG TIME when I quit

smoking 16 yrs ago, gained 74 lbs., and the edema got much worse.

I called my Dr yesterday (because I was whinning about being so

sleepy and fatigued again)and he is going to mail me the paper work

to go get some blood work done and possibly up my thy meds.

I know if I cut most carbs out of my diet (as in Atkins diet) it

helps a little bit but not much.

Janie

>

>

> you are on enough Armour and iodine and still have edema?

> Gracia

>

> This was just a conventional DR, , not holistic. They

only

> know about TSH...lol. He was testing for some other things and

threw

> the TSH in there. He said he was going to find out why I have

such

> extreme edema. Felt like saying, OK, your the hero, nobody in 16

yrs

> of testing me knows why but, OK. I only went back to him because

they

> hold my Lasix and K-dur hostage. If you don't go every so often,

they

> won't refill it. He ran an electrocardiogram, chest x-ray, pelvic

> ultrasound, blood test for kidney disease. I was waiting for them

to

> insisted I have a mammogram, not going to happen!

> Anyway, I was just wondering why that TSH was so low and if it

had

> to do with the iodine. I will let DR B worry about the important

> stuff.

> They said my cholesterol is 191 and that is just too high! I

think

> there was a poster on every wall from drug reps advertising

statins.

> Grrrrrr.

> Janie

>

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I would bet you need more Armour, maybe more Iodoral.

Gracia

Hi Gracia,I am on 2 grains of Nature-throid (same as Armour), 50 mg Lugol's, prgnenolone, DMG, many other natural stuff Dr B put me on. And yes, I have severe pitting edema, always. I have had it since I was about 18 years old and at that time, I weighed about 115 lbs. Maybe starting into hypo but wasn't over weight. Hypo kicked in BIG TIME when I quit smoking 16 yrs ago, gained 74 lbs., and the edema got much worse. I called my Dr yesterday (because I was whinning about being so sleepy and fatigued again)and he is going to mail me the paper work to go get some blood work done and possibly up my thy meds. I know if I cut most carbs out of my diet (as in Atkins diet) it helps a little bit but not much.Janie ---

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Not eating dairy and eggs just plain sucks. Until the antibodies showed up

I ate eggs several times a day and I just love cheese. What makes it

bearable is all the great speciality cheeses available now ~ I can find

different varieties of goat and sheep's milk cheeese that I am fine with. I

am also fortunate to be able to get goat's milk fresh from the farm. Yum.

~

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I have soy too. Corn and dairy would be hard for me.

Steph

----- Original Message -----

And to whomever started this gluten thread: I also have allergies to eggs,

soy, dairy, and corn.

[Guest guest]

My sister's husband and many more people that I personally know,

that have been lactose intolerant and had dairy sensitivities, have

seen it completely disappear when they started drinking RAW cow's

milk. Most people are sensitive to the WAY the milk is processed. One

young man that I know told me he can not have any dairy, it causes

too many problems for him. I brought him some raw milk and now he is

hooked on it. He bought a cow share and drinks tons of milk and makes

his own kefir. (I also got him taking iodine :-).

Perhaps the reason you are able to tolerate the goat and sheep dairy

is because it is raw?

Janie

>

>

> Not eating dairy and eggs just plain sucks. Until the antibodies

showed up

> I ate eggs several times a day and I just love cheese. What makes

it

> bearable is all the great speciality cheeses available now ~ I can

find

> different varieties of goat and sheep's milk cheeese that I am fine

with. I

> am also fortunate to be able to get goat's milk fresh from the

farm. Yum.

>

> ~

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

>

> I have soy too. Corn and dairy would be hard for me.

>

> Steph

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

>

> And to whomever started this gluten thread: I also have allergies

to eggs,

> soy, dairy, and corn.

>

[Guest guest]

-This person is a dietician, NOT a nutritionist. Those

hospital/school lunch planners have co-opted the title, as they name

dietician had already gotten a bad wrap. Now they will make

nutritionists look bad as well. How annoying!

Savvy, the nutritionist.

-- In iodine , " Gracia " <circe@...> wrote:

>

>

> I work in a group home and nutritionist there believes in low

salt/low fat diet (and doesn't look very good either except she is

skinny!). it is like being on another planet compared to what I

think is " healthy " . These are MR/CP ppl and desperately need

iodine but they get drugs instead. I spend 8 hours feeding,

toileting and medicating 8 ppl!!

> but what I wanted to say is that I would think enough

iodine/Armour and salt would solve the edema problem. when I was

pregnant at age 24 I had severe edema. I had just had 1/2 of my

thyroid gland removed, no meds, and doc put me on no salt diet and

gave me pills. when I told him they didn't work he said " take

more " .

> Gracia

>

> I know TSH doesn't mean much but, when taking Iodine, does it

make your

> TSH go up or down usually? I had to go to my " other " DR and they

drew

> my TSH and I got the results today and it was .002 so they did a

re-

> draw today. I hate telling them all I take, such as Iodine, 1

tsp of

> SALT they flip over that part since I have severe edema, but I

did tell

> them today and they were lost as to why I would do that. Oh

well, was

> just wondering about the TSH.

> Thank you, Janie

>

[Guest guest]

Janie...

1. Do you take a separate B-complex? If not, then vitamin shoppe and

Nature Made sell a good timed release B-complex in 100mgs and 150mgs.

I took that when I was pregnant (when I wasn't nauseous) and along

with a good chelated cal/mag/potassium by country life. I didn't have

a problem with swelling at all and my bp remained normal even with a

very stressful job. I was able to wear my heels (1 1/2 " ) and my

wedding ring the entire 8 1/2 months (Aubrey decided to make an

appearance about 3 weeks early).

2. I thought the " magic " number for cholesterol was below 200. I

would tell your doctor to go take a flying leap into a big vat of

statins and leave you the heck alone about your cholesterol numbers

(as long as your HDL is above 57-- if not extra virgin olive oil and

coconut oil will get that up).

Lorie

>

> This was just a conventional DR, , not holistic. They only

> know about TSH...lol. He was testing for some other things and threw

> the TSH in there. He said he was going to find out why I have such

> extreme edema.

> They said my cholesterol is 191 and that is just too high! I think

> there was a poster on every wall from drug reps advertising statins.

> Grrrrrr.

> Janie

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lorie,

You are cracking me up here. That is exactly what I feel like

telling Dr's " go take a flying leap into a big vat of statins " . Now

that is funny, LOL.

Yes I take a B-complex plus niacin, cal/mag/,potasium and... I would

have to go look cause I take so much vitamins and minerals. But

thanks for the idea. I swelled a bit while pregnant but nothing like

I do now.

Thanks, Janie

> >

> > This was just a conventional DR, , not holistic. They

only

> > know about TSH...lol. He was testing for some other things and

threw

> > the TSH in there. He said he was going to find out why I have

such

> > extreme edema.

> > They said my cholesterol is 191 and that is just too high! I

think

> > there was a poster on every wall from drug reps advertising

statins.

> > Grrrrrr.

> > Janie

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I sure feel hypo. I bet he will have me up the dose too.

I'll have to wait and see.

> I would bet you need more Armour, maybe more Iodoral.

> Gracia

[Guest guest]

My husband couldn't drink milk either and we got a cow share and now he can

drink raw milk. I make yogurt with it too. Yum! They even wash the teets

with iodine! LOL!

Steph

Re: TSH

> My sister's husband and many more people that I personally know,

> that have been lactose intolerant and had dairy sensitivities, have

> seen it completely disappear when they started drinking RAW cow's

> milk. Most people are sensitive to the WAY the milk is processed. One

> young man that I know told me he can not have any dairy, it causes

> too many problems for him. I brought him some raw milk and now he is

> hooked on it. He bought a cow share and drinks tons of milk and makes

> his own kefir. (I also got him taking iodine :-).

> Perhaps the reason you are able to tolerate the goat and sheep dairy

> is because it is raw?

> Janie

>

>>

>>

>> Not eating dairy and eggs just plain sucks. Until the antibodies

> showed up

>> I ate eggs several times a day and I just love cheese. What makes

> it

>> bearable is all the great speciality cheeses available now ~ I can

> find

>> different varieties of goat and sheep's milk cheeese that I am fine

> with. I

>> am also fortunate to be able to get goat's milk fresh from the

> farm. Yum.

>>

>> ~

>>

>>

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>>

>> I have soy too. Corn and dairy would be hard for me.

>>

>> Steph

>>

>>

>> ----- Original Message -----

>>

>> And to whomever started this gluten thread: I also have allergies

> to eggs,

>> soy, dairy, and corn.

>>

>

>

>

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>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

>"I have soy too. Corn and dairy would be hard for me."

Steph<<

Hello there,

I don't post much here....but, I was just wondering....does this mean you drink and eat soy Steph? If so, here's a really interesting article on the dangers of soy: http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html Unless it is fermented, soy is not good for us at all. Among other things it is harmful to the thyroid.

There is also an awesome book on soy: The "Whole Soy Story" by Kaayla T. , PhD, CCN The Dark Side of America's Favorite Health Food. A groundbreaking expose that tells the truth about soy that scientists know but that the soy industry has tried to suppress. Soy is not a health food, does not prevent disease and has not even been proven safe. Epidemiological, clinical and laboratory studies link soy to malnutrition, digestive problems, thyroid dysfunction, cognitive decline, reproductive disorders, even heart disease and cancer.

They sneak soy in tons of products, lots of processed foods. I'm sure it's because it's cheap, what other reason would there be? The food industry is the largest money maker in the country. I figure if an item is used often in processed foods (such as corn syrup & soy) it's most likely inexpensive, crud and not good for us....the food manufacturers just like it cuz it is cheap. As we all know, they are just in it for the money, the same as big pharma.

Sorry if I am repeating info you are all already aware of here!

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NO!!! I can't drink soy. My whole body hurts when I do. Even additives of soy bug me.

Steph

Re: TSH

>"I have soy too. Corn and dairy would be hard for me." Steph<<Hello there,I don't post much here....but, I was just wondering....does this mean you drink and eat soy Steph? If so, here's a really interesting article on the dangers of soy: http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html Unless it is fermented, soy is not good for us at all. Among other things it is harmful to the thyroid. There is also an awesome book on soy: The "Whole Soy Story" by Kaayla T. , PhD, CCN The Dark Side of America's Favorite Health Food. A groundbreaking expose that tells the truth about soy that scientists know but that the soy industry has tried to suppress. Soy is not a health food, does not prevent disease and has not even been proven safe. Epidemiological, clinical and laboratory studies link soy to malnutrition, digestive problems, thyroid dysfunction, cognitive decline, reproductive disorders, even heart disease and cancer. They sneak soy in tons of products, lots of processed foods. I'm sure it's because it's cheap, what other reason would there be? The food industry is the largest money maker in the country. I figure if an item is used often in processed foods (such as corn syrup & soy) it's most likely inexpensive, crud and not good for us....the food manufacturers just like it cuz it is cheap. As we all know, they are just in it for the money, the same as big pharma.Sorry if I am repeating info you are all already aware of here!

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[Guest guest]

Hi Janie ~

Nope ~ can't tolerate raw cow's milk either.

You are right: most people can drink raw cow's milk ~ and that it is one of

the most healthy foods on the planet. My kids do fine with it, but not me.

I'm a big Nourishing Traditions/WAPrice/Sally Fallon fan ~ and follow as

much of their advice as I can.

~

-----Original Message-----

Perhaps the reason you are able to tolerate the goat and sheep dairy is

because it is raw?

[Guest guest]

Hi Lilian

Endo told me ideal TSH is 1.0. Mine is <0.1 no matter what dose I

take and for it to possibly get up to 1.0 I would not be on any

thyroid hormone and dead.

Chris

>

> When I was so desperately ill and forced to go to a private doctor

my TSH was 0.6 (0.4 - 7.0), and because only the TSH was done my GP

said it could not possibly be my thyroid and offered Prozac. My

T4 was 10.2 (8 - 20) and T3 0.9 (1.4 - 4.2).

>

> Again this is a perfect example of how WRONG the TSH test can

be.

>

> Lilian

>

> My Husband was well into Myxodeama madness with a

> TSH of 2.4 and a free T4 of 19 (10-24)

>

[Guest guest]

Thats quite shocking really, they do seem to pay a lot of attention to the TSH, mine was 6.3 and an endo told me it wasnt too bad! T3 seems to be of no importance to them and an endo told me it was a not needed test. I totally disagree with that because when my tests were at their best, as in TSH 0.66 and T4 18.1 my T3 was still low in range but nothing was made of it, thus my decision to switch to armour

Hi LilianEndo told me ideal TSH is 1.0. Mine is <0.1 no matter what dose I take and for it to possibly get up to 1.0 I would not be on any thyroid hormone and dead.Chris>> When I was so desperately ill and forced to go to a private doctor my TSH was 0.6 (0.4 - 7.0), and because only the TSH was done my GP said it could not possibly be my thyroid and offered Prozac. My T4 was 10.2 (8 - 20) and T3 0.9 (1.4 - 4.2). > > Again this is a perfect example of how WRONG the TSH test can be. > > Lilian> > My Husband was well into Myxodeama madness with a > TSH of 2.4 and a free T4 of 19 (10-24)>