Re: Questions About Short Term Androgel Use

[Guest guest]

Hi and Welcome,

No don't take the gel your Dr. is not up on this because he told you to try it

to jump start your levels. Any amount of Testosterone you add to your body will

shut down your testis from making it. Your brain will see the Testosterone in

your blood and stop sending the LH and FSH messages to your Testis to make the T

your doing now. You will or can end up worse then you are now.

Men don't get ED and lose there libido due to low T it's the Ratio of

Testosterone to Estradiol that kills your sex life. When I fist got tested my

Total T was 120 and I still had sex with my wife 2x's a week. I felt a lot of

fatigue but still made it a point to have sex.

Your under a lot of stress this over works your Adrenals and you can end up with

low Cortisol levels this in turn make you feel like crap and can have an effect

on your Thyroid. And lower your Testosterone levels. Read this link in this is

a test you can order a 4x's in a day saliva test get do it and test your

Estradiol levels with your LH and FSH so we can tell if your Primary meaning

your testis are not working or Secondary meaning your Pituitary gland in your

brain is not telling your Testis to make enough T.

http://livingnetwork.co.za/hormones/adrenal-fatigue/

There a lot of things that can make a mans T levels low like yours over and

above the stress. High levels of Iron, Prolactin, a low grade infection, poor

diet, some meds your on, to much soy in your diet and the list goes on.

Here is a link of labs I tell men they need adding to this do Total T3 and T4

for Thyroid.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=7059

Do not go on Testosterone meds until you know why your low. Until your feeling

better don't over do it in the GYM if you don't recover fast you over did it and

if your Adrenals are bad this will make them worse.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jkdra_2000 <.Annino@...>

> Subject: Questions About Short Term Androgel Use

>

> Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 11:01 AM

> I recently joined this group to get

> some information on low T as my doctor is advising me to

> start taking Angrogel.  However, I'm not sure I want to

> head down this path of TRT just yet.  Here is my

> story:

>

> - I'm 43 years old, 5'8 " and currently weigh 218 lbs. with

> 28% bodyfat (yes I know thats not good).

> - As recently as 2 years ago, I was down to 194 lbs with

> 23% bodyfat, working out regularly.

> - For the past 6 months or so I've been experiencing alot

> of headaches.

> - For the past 6 months or so I've lost alot of energy and

> feeling very down.

> - Things got much worse in the past 2 months as I'd almost

> describe my mood as bordrline depressive.

> - I had no energy to work out on a regular basis, getting

> in some workouts when I did not have a headache AND had some

> energy.

> - I have been under alot of stress the past year and a half

> as I work for a certain bailed out company (AIG).

> - When I saw my doctor in early December, he ran a bunch of

> blood tests on me, including lyme disease, thyroid and

> testosterone levels.

>

> Here are the lab results from the beginning of December

> 2009:

> - Total Testosterone: 466 (normal range listed as

> 260-1000ng/dL

> - Free Testosterone %: 1.5 (normal range listed as

> 1.0-2.7%)

> - Free Testosterone: 70.5 (normal range 50.0-210.0 pg/mL)

> - Total Cholesterol is 207 which was a jump up from 160 a

> year ago.

>

> Seeing these results, my doctor said while the testosterone

> results were listed in the normal range, he wanted me to

> start taking Angrogel (5mg) for 4-6 weeks to see if this

> would jump start me to getting some more energy to work out

> and take off this extra weight and increase my T

> levels.  He would then retest me in 6 weeks to measure

> the change in T levels.

>

> All the symptoms listed above are somewhat typical for

> someone with low T.  However, there is one major

> symptom I do not have and that is low libido, as mine is as

> strong as ever and I have no problems at all getting wood

> (must be my Italian genes).  Morning, afternoon, night,

> no problems at all getting wood.

>

> Since joining this group, it appears that once you go on

> TRT, it is a lifetime thing, including reduced testes which

> I have no interest in since I do not have any problems with

> my hardware.  As such, I have not yet taken Angrogel

> and I'm not sure I want to as I'm concerned my Dr is not up

> to speed on the use and effects of taking Angrogel, even on

> a short term basis which I'm not convinced can solve this

> problem.

>

> Since hearing this news, I've tried to get back in the gym

> more (I think reading the posts on this group may have

> " scared me straight " ) and I'm feeling a little better but

> nowhere near where I was 2 years ago.

>

> Should I proceed with this " short-term " Angrogel use? 

> Will using it for 4-6 weeks have any long term impact to my

> T levels?

>

> Any and all advice would be appreciated.

>

> Thanks in advance for your help.

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

My advice would be to get your E2 - estradiol - checked. T converts to

E2 in men. The enzyme that does this is more prevalent in fat cells,

so with your weight you might expect high E2 levels. High E2 robs you

of a lot of the benefit of T and drains T away. Men with high e2 can

get a 200 to 300 point total T boost by bringing their E2 levels into

normal range. (20-30). Lowering your E2 levels also makes it much

easier to work out and lose weight.

Also I'd suggest having him run a look at your cortisol and adrenal

levels. You can get similar symptoms from these.

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:01:24 -0000, you wrote:

>I recently joined this group to get some information on low T as my doctor is

advising me to start taking Angrogel. However, I'm not sure I want to head down

this path of TRT just yet. Here is my story:

>

>- I'm 43 years old, 5'8 " and currently weigh 218 lbs. with 28% bodyfat (yes I

know thats not good).

>- As recently as 2 years ago, I was down to 194 lbs with 23% bodyfat, working

out regularly.

>- For the past 6 months or so I've been experiencing alot of headaches.

>- For the past 6 months or so I've lost alot of energy and feeling very down.

>- Things got much worse in the past 2 months as I'd almost describe my mood as

bordrline depressive.

>- I had no energy to work out on a regular basis, getting in some workouts when

I did not have a headache AND had some energy.

>- I have been under alot of stress the past year and a half as I work for a

certain bailed out company (AIG).

>- When I saw my doctor in early December, he ran a bunch of blood tests on me,

including lyme disease, thyroid and testosterone levels.

>

>Here are the lab results from the beginning of December 2009:

>- Total Testosterone: 466 (normal range listed as 260-1000ng/dL

>- Free Testosterone %: 1.5 (normal range listed as 1.0-2.7%)

>- Free Testosterone: 70.5 (normal range 50.0-210.0 pg/mL)

>- Total Cholesterol is 207 which was a jump up from 160 a year ago.

>

>Seeing these results, my doctor said while the testosterone results were listed

in the normal range, he wanted me to start taking Angrogel (5mg) for 4-6 weeks

to see if this would jump start me to getting some more energy to work out and

take off this extra weight and increase my T levels. He would then retest me in

6 weeks to measure the change in T levels.

>

>All the symptoms listed above are somewhat typical for someone with low T.

However, there is one major symptom I do not have and that is low libido, as

mine is as strong as ever and I have no problems at all getting wood (must be my

Italian genes). Morning, afternoon, night, no problems at all getting wood.

>

>Since joining this group, it appears that once you go on TRT, it is a lifetime

thing, including reduced testes which I have no interest in since I do not have

any problems with my hardware. As such, I have not yet taken Angrogel and I'm

not sure I want to as I'm concerned my Dr is not up to speed on the use and

effects of taking Angrogel, even on a short term basis which I'm not convinced

can solve this problem.

>

>Since hearing this news, I've tried to get back in the gym more (I think

reading the posts on this group may have " scared me straight " ) and I'm feeling a

little better but nowhere near where I was 2 years ago.

>

>Should I proceed with this " short-term " Angrogel use? Will using it for 4-6

weeks have any long term impact to my T levels?

>

>Any and all advice would be appreciated.

>

>Thanks in advance for your help.

>

[Guest guest]

Would you recommend the short term use of Androgel???

Re: Questions About Short Term Androgel Use

My advice would be to get your E2 - estradiol - checked. T converts to

E2 in men. The enzyme that does this is more prevalent in fat cells,

so with your weight you might expect high E2 levels. High E2 robs you

of a lot of the benefit of T and drains T away. Men with high e2 can

get a 200 to 300 point total T boost by bringing their E2 levels into

normal range. (20-30). Lowering your E2 levels also makes it much

easier to work out and lose weight.

Also I'd suggest having him run a look at your cortisol and adrenal

levels. You can get similar symptoms from these.

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:01:24 -0000, you wrote:

>I recently joined this group to get some information on low T as my doctor

is advising me to start taking Angrogel. However, I'm not sure I want to

head down this path of TRT just yet. Here is my story:

>

>- I'm 43 years old, 5'8 " and currently weigh 218 lbs. with 28% bodyfat (yes

I know thats not good).

>- As recently as 2 years ago, I was down to 194 lbs with 23% bodyfat,

working out regularly.

>- For the past 6 months or so I've been experiencing alot of headaches.

>- For the past 6 months or so I've lost alot of energy and feeling very

down.

>- Things got much worse in the past 2 months as I'd almost describe my mood

as bordrline depressive.

>- I had no energy to work out on a regular basis, getting in some workouts

when I did not have a headache AND had some energy.

>- I have been under alot of stress the past year and a half as I work for a

certain bailed out company (AIG).

>- When I saw my doctor in early December, he ran a bunch of blood tests on

me, including lyme disease, thyroid and testosterone levels.

>

>Here are the lab results from the beginning of December 2009:

>- Total Testosterone: 466 (normal range listed as 260-1000ng/dL

>- Free Testosterone %: 1.5 (normal range listed as 1.0-2.7%)

>- Free Testosterone: 70.5 (normal range 50.0-210.0 pg/mL)

>- Total Cholesterol is 207 which was a jump up from 160 a year ago.

>

>Seeing these results, my doctor said while the testosterone results were

listed in the normal range, he wanted me to start taking Angrogel (5mg) for

4-6 weeks to see if this would jump start me to getting some more energy to

work out and take off this extra weight and increase my T levels. He would

then retest me in 6 weeks to measure the change in T levels.

>

>All the symptoms listed above are somewhat typical for someone with low T.

However, there is one major symptom I do not have and that is low libido, as

mine is as strong as ever and I have no problems at all getting wood (must

be my Italian genes). Morning, afternoon, night, no problems at all getting

wood.

>

>Since joining this group, it appears that once you go on TRT, it is a

lifetime thing, including reduced testes which I have no interest in since I

do not have any problems with my hardware. As such, I have not yet taken

Angrogel and I'm not sure I want to as I'm concerned my Dr is not up to

speed on the use and effects of taking Angrogel, even on a short term basis

which I'm not convinced can solve this problem.

>

>Since hearing this news, I've tried to get back in the gym more (I think

reading the posts on this group may have " scared me straight " ) and I'm

feeling a little better but nowhere near where I was 2 years ago.

>

>Should I proceed with this " short-term " Angrogel use? Will using it for 4-6

weeks have any long term impact to my T levels?

>

>Any and all advice would be appreciated.

>

>Thanks in advance for your help.

>

[Guest guest]

Not before these other items. Also your total T is not that low. Total

T can vary by 300 points in a matter of an hour. You should probably

be tested again before considering T.

Also there are a number of tests that should be run before starting T.

Prolactin especially. See

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

for the basics.

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:19:11 -0500, you wrote:

>Would you recommend the short term use of Androgel???

>

>

>

> Re: Questions About Short Term Androgel Use

>

>

>

>

>

>My advice would be to get your E2 - estradiol - checked. T converts to

>E2 in men. The enzyme that does this is more prevalent in fat cells,

>so with your weight you might expect high E2 levels. High E2 robs you

>of a lot of the benefit of T and drains T away. Men with high e2 can

>get a 200 to 300 point total T boost by bringing their E2 levels into

>normal range. (20-30). Lowering your E2 levels also makes it much

>easier to work out and lose weight.

>

>Also I'd suggest having him run a look at your cortisol and adrenal

>levels. You can get similar symptoms from these.

>

>On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:01:24 -0000, you wrote:

>

>>I recently joined this group to get some information on low T as my doctor

>is advising me to start taking Angrogel. However, I'm not sure I want to

>head down this path of TRT just yet. Here is my story:

>>

>>- I'm 43 years old, 5'8 " and currently weigh 218 lbs. with 28% bodyfat (yes

>I know thats not good).

>>- As recently as 2 years ago, I was down to 194 lbs with 23% bodyfat,

>working out regularly.

>>- For the past 6 months or so I've been experiencing alot of headaches.

>>- For the past 6 months or so I've lost alot of energy and feeling very

>down.

>>- Things got much worse in the past 2 months as I'd almost describe my mood

>as bordrline depressive.

>>- I had no energy to work out on a regular basis, getting in some workouts

>when I did not have a headache AND had some energy.

>>- I have been under alot of stress the past year and a half as I work for a

>certain bailed out company (AIG).

>>- When I saw my doctor in early December, he ran a bunch of blood tests on

>me, including lyme disease, thyroid and testosterone levels.

>>

>>Here are the lab results from the beginning of December 2009:

>>- Total Testosterone: 466 (normal range listed as 260-1000ng/dL

>>- Free Testosterone %: 1.5 (normal range listed as 1.0-2.7%)

>>- Free Testosterone: 70.5 (normal range 50.0-210.0 pg/mL)

>>- Total Cholesterol is 207 which was a jump up from 160 a year ago.

>>

>>Seeing these results, my doctor said while the testosterone results were

>listed in the normal range, he wanted me to start taking Angrogel (5mg) for

>4-6 weeks to see if this would jump start me to getting some more energy to

>work out and take off this extra weight and increase my T levels. He would

>then retest me in 6 weeks to measure the change in T levels.

>>

>>All the symptoms listed above are somewhat typical for someone with low T.

>However, there is one major symptom I do not have and that is low libido, as

>mine is as strong as ever and I have no problems at all getting wood (must

>be my Italian genes). Morning, afternoon, night, no problems at all getting

>wood.

>>

>>Since joining this group, it appears that once you go on TRT, it is a

>lifetime thing, including reduced testes which I have no interest in since I

>do not have any problems with my hardware. As such, I have not yet taken

>Angrogel and I'm not sure I want to as I'm concerned my Dr is not up to

>speed on the use and effects of taking Angrogel, even on a short term basis

>which I'm not convinced can solve this problem.

>>

>>Since hearing this news, I've tried to get back in the gym more (I think

>reading the posts on this group may have " scared me straight " ) and I'm

>feeling a little better but nowhere near where I was 2 years ago.

>>

>>Should I proceed with this " short-term " Angrogel use? Will using it for 4-6

>weeks have any long term impact to my T levels?

>>

>>Any and all advice would be appreciated.

>>

>>Thanks in advance for your help.

>>

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