Re: A downward slope

[Guest guest]

Hey - have you ever had a mri to look at your pituitary? Several of your

issues seem to be associated with hormones excreted by your pituitary.

 

Arkansas

From: robert_vetcher <robert_vetcher@...>

Subject: A downward slope

Date: Monday, November 15, 2010, 7:42 PM

 

My current state of health continues its downward spiral. My brother has joked

with me that if Doctors give me so much bad news maybe I shouldn't see them as

much.

I have been to various Doctors on almost a monthly basis for the past three

years and have been diagnosed with the following:

high blood pressure

hypogonadism

hypothyroidism

secondary polycythemia (when taking androgel as it increases my hematocrit)

excessive estradiol (when taking androgel)

pre-diabetes

and now....atrial fibrilation (bedtime for Bonzo?)

I really don't have a clue, as I go to see my new cardiologist tomorrow. I can't

help but think this is all tied together. I have almost given up on testosterone

therapy. Any thoughts out there?

[Guest guest]

High BP, high glucose, and atrial fibrillation can all be caused by hypothyroid.

Are you being treated for that with at LEAST mid-range Free T3 and Free T4

levels? If you are being dosed by TSH, that may be your problem.

Gels have a higher propensity to turn into estradiol than shots, so switching

over might help your levels. And taking less more often might keep the

polycythemia down. Getting thyroid optimal will also help your liver function,

which is the organ that processes out the excess estrogen. If you were hit on

the head and are hypopituitary, replacing the hormones you're low in will

improve your health. That is what Phil does.

Barb

>

> My current state of health continues its downward spiral. My brother has

joked with me that if Doctors give me so much bad news maybe I shouldn't see

them as much.

>

> I have been to various Doctors on almost a monthly basis for the past three

years and have been diagnosed with the following:

>

> high blood pressure

> hypogonadism

> hypothyroidism

> secondary polycythemia (when taking androgel as it increases my hematocrit)

> excessive estradiol (when taking androgel)

> pre-diabetes

> and now....atrial fibrilation (bedtime for Bonzo?)

>

> I really don't have a clue, as I go to see my new cardiologist tomorrow. I

can't help but think this is all tied together. I have almost given up on

testosterone therapy. Any thoughts out there?

>

[Guest guest]

, I'm guessing you are quite overweight. It sounds like you, along with

many Americans have " metabolic syndrome " .

Fat cells contain an enzyme called aromatase that converts testosterone to

estradiol. Arimidex can help cut down on that conversion, but the real solution

is to lose the fat and thus the aromatase.

Being overweight also contributes to high blood pressure and pre-diabetes.

Testosterone often promotes the growth of red blood cells, causing increase in

RWD, RBC's, hemoglobin, and hematocrit. I try to donate blood several times a

year, and have seen my hemoglobin decrease each time: It was 16.9 last March

and 15.1 last week.

3 years ago I was pre-diabetic with blood glucose of 110. It was 90 last time

it was checked.

I've got my BP, cholesterol, blood glucose and everything else in the normal

range now. After starting " T " I began walking regularly then as my strength

grew went on to water areobics, elliptical exercise machines and pin-select

weight machines.

Low " T " and obesity had made it nearly impossible to exercise. T replacement

allowed me to ramp up the exercise and I lost weight, and gained muscle and I

reversed the downward spiral. I couldn't have done it without the testosterone,

but testosterone alone, or any other medication wouldn't have done the job

either.

With your fibrilation, you need to start out slow with exercise, but you do need

to exercise. Perhaps your doctors can prescribe a medically supervised exercise

program.

I started walking down to the corner and back, then around the block, then for

20 minutes, then 1 hour and eventually up to 3 hours.

It really is a fight for your life and it won't be easy. If you apply a

constant amount of effort, you will find you can do more each week and in 6

months you will be surprised what can be accomplished.

Best wishes for a healthy future!

Randy Hoops

>

> My current state of health continues its downward spiral. My brother has

joked with me that if Doctors give me so much bad news maybe I shouldn't see

them as much.

>

> I have been to various Doctors on almost a monthly basis for the past three

years and have been diagnosed with the following:

>

> high blood pressure

> hypogonadism

> hypothyroidism

> secondary polycythemia (when taking androgel as it increases my hematocrit)

> excessive estradiol (when taking androgel)

> pre-diabetes

> and now....atrial fibrilation (bedtime for Bonzo?)

>

> I really don't have a clue, as I go to see my new cardiologist tomorrow. I

can't help but think this is all tied together. I have almost given up on

testosterone therapy. Any thoughts out there?

>

[Guest guest]

You need to have your Dr.'s if possible check your Pituitary to me all them

problems are your Pituitary not telling your body to make hormones.

I have this problem from a head injury I went 23 yrs on TRT being told my Testis

don't work and this is why I have low Testosterone. Still my labs have shown my

Cortisol, Thyroid, Ferritin and Growth Hormone to all be low in range on labs

but low. All them dam Dr.'s kept telling me I am OK for them hormones I am in

the normal range. This is Bull if your low in the range for so many hormones

there is something wrong.

Now that they know I am Hypopituitary they treat all my Hormones but it was to

late for my Heart it all ready did the damage. I had Heart Bypass Surgery 2 yrs

ago I had two 99% blockages going to my Heart. And for yrs I was fatigued and

shot of breath and the Dr.'s would tell me it was from having low Testosterone.

I had them blockages from all the low hormones in my body the main one being

Growth Hormone. And I never had high Chol. levels in my life.

I am lucky to be alive don't take any crap from your Dr.'s in the UK if you need

to see a private Dr.

The only thing I had that was making me think it was my heart was I had very bad

Heart Burn and nothing would fix this.

I did a Stress Test it showed nothing so I got my Dr. to order a 24 bit scan on

my heart this showed the blockage.

This Heart Dr. told my wife when he had me open my heart was hardly working he

did not think doing the bypass would work the only arty feeding my heart was not

working right it was defected from birth.

He did the bypass anyway and my heart took off working very good and I have no

damage to it.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: robert_vetcher <robert_vetcher@...>

> Subject: A downward slope

>

> Date: Monday, November 15, 2010, 8:42 PM

>     My current state of

> health continues its downward spiral. My brother has joked

> with me that if Doctors give me so much bad news maybe I

> shouldn't see them as much.

>

> I have been to various Doctors on almost a monthly basis

> for the past three years and have been diagnosed with the

> following:

>

> high blood pressure

> hypogonadism

> hypothyroidism

> secondary polycythemia (when taking androgel as it

> increases my hematocrit)

> excessive estradiol (when taking androgel)

> pre-diabetes

> and now....atrial fibrilation (bedtime for Bonzo?)

>

> I really don't have a clue, as I go to see my new

> cardiologist tomorrow. I can't help but think this is all

> tied together.   I have almost given up on

> testosterone therapy. Any thoughts out there?

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

You sound like me:

hypogonadism

hypothyroid

elevated triglycerides

elevated E2 (sometimes)

osteoporosis

possibly pre-diabetic

possible Krones disease

Most of them are related. Not that I care - I'll keep taking my Armour thyroid,

Test Cyp, Armimidex, HCG, Trichor, Lovaza, and a host of nutrients and hope for

the best.

>

> My current state of health continues its downward spiral. My brother has

joked with me that if Doctors give me so much bad news maybe I shouldn't see

them as much.

>

> I have been to various Doctors on almost a monthly basis for the past three

years and have been diagnosed with the following:

>

> high blood pressure

> hypogonadism

> hypothyroidism

> secondary polycythemia (when taking androgel as it increases my hematocrit)

> excessive estradiol (when taking androgel)

> pre-diabetes

> and now....atrial fibrilation (bedtime for Bonzo?)

>

> I really don't have a clue, as I go to see my new cardiologist tomorrow. I

can't help but think this is all tied together. I have almost given up on

testosterone therapy. Any thoughts out there?

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

 

its not all over but I would start with addressing the hypothyroidism first and

when this is taken care of I think the fibrillation will take care of itself.

And the hematocrit and the hypogonadism might even get better.  

 

Get an xray of your spine just to make sure there aren't any vertebrae that are

damaged this can cause a- fib as well. I found them on a routine chest xray

last year.

 

Have they found out if you have  secondary or primary hypogonadism?

believe me it helps to know to rule out other issues such as pituitary diease or

prolactinomas.

 

Hope this helps

Manraj

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: robert_vetcher <robert_vetcher@...>

Subject: A downward slope

Received: Monday, November 15, 2010, 5:42 PM

 

My current state of health continues its downward spiral. My brother has joked

with me that if Doctors give me so much bad news maybe I shouldn't see them as

much.

I have been to various Doctors on almost a monthly basis for the past three

years and have been diagnosed with the following:

high blood pressure

hypogonadism

hypothyroidism

secondary polycythemia (when taking androgel as it increases my hematocrit)

excessive estradiol (when taking androgel)

pre-diabetes

and now....atrial fibrilation (bedtime for Bonzo?)

I really don't have a clue, as I go to see my new cardiologist tomorrow. I can't

help but think this is all tied together. I have almost given up on testosterone

therapy. Any thoughts out there?