hypothyroidism

[Guest guest]

Karisha thanks for the reply, they just diagnosed me with it and sent me

back to the hospital for more blood work on friday, Tuesday I have to meet with

my doctor and see what she wants to do about this. I knew something was wrong

with all the symptoms I had but I just ignored it, thinking it was because I

went through a few surgeries this year and was quite sick so I chocked it up

to that, but 25 pounds in 2 months was / is devastating.

MyraAnne Healey

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64 Abijah Bridge Road

Weare New Hampshire 03281

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JPMyra@...

[Guest guest]

Hi Anne

Sorry to hear you have got hypothyroidism. I was also diagnosed with that

about 5 months ago. I also felt like I had no energy. This has improved

somewhat with thyroxine treatment however my energy levels are still on the

low side but hopefully this should improve more as the optimum dose of

thyroxine is found. However I feel much better compared to 5 months ago.

Have they started you on thyroxine yet?

You will find a lot of information about hypothyroidism on Shoman's

website including info about losing weight:

http://thyroid.about.com/About_Thyroid_Disease.htm

With regards to the B12 deficiency they should do more tests to determine if

it is pernicious aneamia (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pernicious_anemia

) which is then usually treated with regular b12 injections.

Hope this helps.

Karisha

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Sent: 24 November 2006 18:18

hyperthyroidism

Subject: Hypothyroidism

Hello Group, I am new here. I was just diagnosed with hypothyroidism

and my doctor ordered more blood work today, I amm seeing my doctor on

tuesday to see what she is gooing to do about this. Is it normal to put

on like 25 pounds in a couple of months, I went from a size 5 to a size

9. My hair is falling out my scalp is flakt, I have no energy what so

ever. And they just said I am folic acid deficient and b12 too. Any

responses would be appreciated. Thank you.

MyraAnne in NH

[Guest guest]

Hi Kim, thanks for the info and I will check it out. As far as the scalp

itching it has been driving me crazy all day. My doctor said to wait for the

other results as she should have them Monday and when I see her Tuesday we will

go from there. I am so exhausted today, I have not done a damn thing, but of

course being b 12deficient (anemic) that's not making it any easier.

MyraAnne Healey

dba JP-Online

64 Abijah Bridge Road

Weare New Hampshire 03281

_WWW.JPOnlineinNH.com_ (http://www.jponlineinnh.com/)

603.529-7441

603-529-7739 Fax

JPMyra@...

[Guest guest]

MyraAnne,

For a better view of the symptoms and weight issues with hypoT check out the

link to Shamon's article that Karisha posted. is a patient advocate

with hashi's herself. And is considered the thyroid guru in patient hypo land.

I may not be of as much help as I have graves not hashi's. (Just the opposite

end of the spectrum.) But I did not have the classic symptoms of weight loss

associated with hyperT. I was one of the " lucky ones " with weight gain and

hyperT. I can tell you that for me as my levels have settled down (down from

hyperT levels) my weight is not as much of a battle. And in the last five

months I have lost about 8 lbs. Very slowly and steadily ~ I used to yo-yo

really badly. So as I said, as your levels get under control, and to a level

that is right for you, your weight will not be as hard to battle.

Check out 's articles. They will help out alot.

Take care,

Kim

PS. MyraAnne, how's the itching today? Did you call a dr?

Re: Re: Hypothyroidism

Does that mean the weight gain will come off Kim? I pput some vitamin E on

my hair line and some of my scalp it seemed to help. The biggest thing that is

bothering me is the weight gain and no energy for anything.

MyraAnne Healey

dba JP-Online

64 Abijah Bridge Road

Weare New Hampshire 03281

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603.529-7441

603-529-7739 Fax

JPMyra@...

[Guest guest]

MyraAnne

Hopefully the " other results " will tell her something. Meanwhile maybe taking a

benedryl (oral/pill form) might help you. Its a lifesaver when I get itchy.

Even if it makes you tired ~ well, you're not doing anything anyway! LOL! It

could be worth the try.

Take care

Kim

Re: Re: Hypothyroidism

Hi Kim, thanks for the info and I will check it out. As far as the scalp

itching it has been driving me crazy all day. My doctor said to wait for the

other results as she should have them Monday and when I see her Tuesday we will

go from there. I am so exhausted today, I have not done a damn thing, but of

course being b 12deficient (anemic) that's not making it any easier.

MyraAnne Healey

dba JP-Online

64 Abijah Bridge Road

Weare New Hampshire 03281

_WWW.JPOnlineinNH.com_ (http://www.jponlineinnh.com/)

603.529-7441

603-529-7739 Fax

JPMyra@...

[Guest guest]

Kim, thanks for the advice, I do have some benadryl, maybe I will try it. I

am looking forward to my appointment tomorrow morning, and find out exactly

what is going on. I will keeep you posted okay?

MyraAnne Healey

dba JP-Online

64 Abijah Bridge Road

Weare New Hampshire 03281

_WWW.JPOnlineinNH.com_ (http://www.jponlineinnh.com/)

603.529-7441

603-529-7739 Fax

JPMyra@...

[Guest guest]

K, what is it like to not have a thyroid? If you dont mind me asking, and

how does it get to the point when you know you have to have it removed.

MyraAnne Healey

dba JP-Online

64 Abijah Bridge Road

Weare New Hampshire 03281

_WWW.JPOnlineinNH.com_ (http://www.jponlineinnh.com/)

603.529-7441

603-529-7739 Fax

JPMyra@...

[Guest guest]

Thanks Kim, I hear what you are saying, I feel like a time bomb waiting to

go off. I hear the longer you have it the harder it is to treat.

MyraAnne Healey

dba JP-Online

64 Abijah Bridge Road

Weare New Hampshire 03281

_WWW.JPOnlineinNH.com_ (http://www.jponlineinnh.com/)

603.529-7441

603-529-7739 Fax

JPMyra@...

[Guest guest]

Hi MyraAnne

Good for you! Great news.

The only thing that occurs to me is that some people are very sensitive to being

even a little bit off...

For example, when my TSH is just 1 out of 'normal' range I get a lot of

symptoms. Also sometimes I get symptoms even with my numbers 'in range', just

at the edge. I don't have a thyroid anymore and I take replacement thyroid

meds. If the meds get slightly warmer (in summer for example) I immediately

notice the change...

K

Hypothyroidism

Hello Group, I just got back from the doctors and I have good news. My

thyroid is only off a little, not enough to put me on medication. I am

so happy. We just have to keep an eye on it, because this could be the

beginning of the problem so I have to be tested again in three months.

What confuses me though, Is, how come I have all the sysmptoms of it??

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MyraAnne,

You could be sub-clinical. Meaning you are off for " you " (symptoms) but within

" normal ranges " . So the drs won't do anything. They just sit around and wait

for you to get worse before treating anything.

On the other hand, you know there " may " be a problem on the horizon and can take

action on your own before you experience the full blown " hell of thyroid land " .

Check out ithyroid.com for information on thyroid health. There may be things

in your diet that you can adjust to help with your sitiuation. Also, at

mediboard.com they have a " Thyroid 101 " thread that is full of

things/suggestions to help with thyroid levels/symptoms.

And congrats on the good news!

Kim

Hypothyroidism

Hello Group, I just got back from the doctors and I have good news. My

thyroid is only off a little, not enough to put me on medication. I am

so happy. We just have to keep an eye on it, because this could be the

beginning of the problem so I have to be tested again in three months.

What confuses me though, Is, how come I have all the sysmptoms of it??

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I do not recommend it! It first of all puts you at your doctor's mercy - you

must always take the medication or you die. It's that simple. But also I find

the replacement thyroid hormone is not the same as your own.

For me - I was hyper and I rushed into destroying my thyroid with radioactive

iodine. BUT the doctors all assured me that there was no hope whatsoever that I

would go into remission. This rush to deal with hyperactivity is a known

'symptom' of graves disease.

Being without a thyroid means that I personally am always tired. Always. And I

also have no energy...

If I had it to do over, I would have tried antithyroid drugs. If they had

failed, I would have resorted to surgery. I just did what the docs told me to

do. I was frightened and anxious. The docs put me on a beta blocker but failed

to warn me that I might end up with an arythmia if I stopped taking it suddenly.

The specialist told me to stop taking the beta blocker and I did. Now I have to

take a beta blocker to deal with my tachycardia that resulted from stopping the

beta blocker suddenly.

I have osteoporosis. The thyroid can strip your calcium if it is hyper. Mine

did. I had to bully my doctor into doing a bone density test and she was

stunned to find I had lost so much bone density. It appeared that I probably

was hyper for many many years.

I find that now I get tired very easily. But on that one the docs just say

'hmmm'....

Anyway, that's my experience.

Kate

Re: Hypothyroidism

K, what is it like to not have a thyroid? If you dont mind me asking, and

how does it get to the point when you know you have to have it removed.

MyraAnne Healey

dba JP-Online

64 Abijah Bridge Road

Weare New Hampshire 03281

_WWW.JPOnlineinNH.com_ (http://www.jponlineinnh.com/)

603.529-7441

603-529-7739 Fax

JPMyra@...

[Guest guest]

I would find another doctor!!!!

Do you get your labs checked enough?

Sounds like the doc needs to adjust your Synthroid.

Unfortunatly, there is no " cure " for Graves and until they find a cure, we

will always be under a docs care. If not for the Graves itself, the damage

Graves has done to our body.

I think I have osteoporosis too because I wasn't diagnosed till the damage was

already done.

I got to the point I could barely walk and I've lost an inch in height!

Since I had RAI, I can walk better (I was so weak from being hyper so

long),but I still feel like I have bone damage from waiting too long to get

treatment.

I'm going to ask for one of those bone density tests too.

I'm also still on Inderal per my choice.

My pulse raced for soooo many years, that now that I'm on the Inderal, my

pulse can finally rest. I'm surprised I didn't have a heart attack. I've been

told not to stop taking it all of a sudden too, but I have no desire to.

Inderals been around for years and I know people that's been on Inderol 1/2

their life.

Aimee

Kate <Fraserk@...> wrote:

I do not recommend it! It first of all puts you at your doctor's mercy

- you must always take the medication or you die. It's that simple. But also I

find the replacement thyroid hormone is not the same as your own.

For me - I was hyper and I rushed into destroying my thyroid with radioactive

iodine. BUT the doctors all assured me that there was no hope whatsoever that I

would go into remission. This rush to deal with hyperactivity is a known

'symptom' of graves disease.

Being without a thyroid means that I personally am always tired. Always. And I

also have no energy...

If I had it to do over, I would have tried antithyroid drugs. If they had

failed, I would have resorted to surgery. I just did what the docs told me to

do. I was frightened and anxious. The docs put me on a beta blocker but failed

to warn me that I might end up with an arythmia if I stopped taking it suddenly.

The specialist told me to stop taking the beta blocker and I did. Now I have to

take a beta blocker to deal with my tachycardia that resulted from stopping the

beta blocker suddenly.

I have osteoporosis. The thyroid can strip your calcium if it is hyper. Mine

did. I had to bully my doctor into doing a bone density test and she was stunned

to find I had lost so much bone density. It appeared that I probably was hyper

for many many years.

I find that now I get tired very easily. But on that one the docs just say

'hmmm'....

Anyway, that's my experience.

Kate

Re: Hypothyroidism

K, what is it like to not have a thyroid? If you dont mind me asking, and

how does it get to the point when you know you have to have it removed.

MyraAnne Healey

dba JP-Online

64 Abijah Bridge Road

Weare New Hampshire 03281

_WWW.JPOnlineinNH.com_ (http://www.jponlineinnh.com/)

603.529-7441

603-529-7739 Fax

JPMyra@...

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/29/2006 2:21:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

AIMEECAKES@... writes:

Unfortunatly, there is no " cure " for Graves and until they find a cure, we

will always be under a docs care. If not for the Graves itself, the damage

Graves has done to our body.

I disagree, and think there is a cure for Graves. I was diagnosed in 1998,

and got better after a few months on Tapezole and Atenenol, change in diet

and supplements, and acupuncture. I weaned off the meds in a few months, and

was fine. After that, I do see my internist yearly for a check-up and test my

blood levels, but, aside from that, am not under a doctor's care, and

haven't seen an endo for 8 years.

What I did won't work for everyone, but it certainly is a possibility.

AntJoan

[Guest guest]

Karisha, thanks for the info. They told me I wasn't anemic and that my b12

was not really low. I hate this wait and see game, but I dont know what to do.

I am so tired, no energy, bad appetite and I am scratching the hell out of my

scalp, feet are cold, constipated, and I have chrons disease so I am never

constipated. I just dont know at this point. My husband says I am looking for

trouble, I wish he understood more.

MyraAnne Healey

dba JP-Online

64 Abijah Bridge Road

Weare New Hampshire 03281

_WWW.JPOnlineinNH.com_ (http://www.jponlineinnh.com/)

603.529-7441

603-529-7739 Fax

JPMyra@...

[Guest guest]

Hi MyraAnne

Good to hear that your thyroid isn't too far off. However you can feel

bad if it is only a little off and like others have said your results

can fall within the normal ranges even and still get hypo symptoms. My

results are now within normal range but I still have problems with not

having enough energy and sleep disturbances. This is because even

though my results are within the normal range, they are not at the

level that is normal and optimal for me. The ranges are based on a

range of people and what is normal for a range of people. It is where

you fall on the range that is normal for you that is important, the

range is just a broad guide and should be treated as such.

Doctors are supposed to treat you based on the blood test results

together with looking at how your symptoms lie. They are supposed to

treat you, not the blood test results! However often if people start by

being just a little bit out they do play this wait and see game

presumably to see if it is just a temporary blip that resolves itself.

I am not sure I agree with that practise but I am no doctor. In my

case back in June I felt awful yet my free T4 was within normal range

however my TSH wasn't, it was out but not by a great deal: TSH was

about 11 (upper range 5). This was enough for me to feel lousey.

However I had previously been hyperthyroid so presumably this was the

end stage of that process with my thyroid finally burning itself out

and becoming hypo, so was probably unlikely to be temporary. In any

case I would have hated to be left like that for another 3 months and

was eager to start the meds at the low dose of 25 mcg for the first 6

weeks. I'm now on 75 mcg.

What were you test results for TSH, free T4 and free T3? Did you have

any thyroid antibodies tests like TRab, TSI? These tests can help tell

you whether you have hashimotos hypothyroidism. If you have any of

these results post them on here and we will be able to advise you

further. I am no expert on thyroid antibodies tests but there are

others here that are in the know about that sort of thing.

The other complication is the B12 and folic acid deficiency which could

be making you feel fatigued. So until that is treated it could be hard

to tell whether the fatigue is a hypo symptom or aneamia symptom. So

that could be another reason for the docs wait and see approach.

However once that is being treated for that if you still feel like you

have low energy etc you could consider going back to the docs and

asking if they will give you a trial of low dose thyroxine to see if

that helps.

Good luck.

Karisha

>

> Hello Group, I just got back from the doctors and I have good news.

My

> thyroid is only off a little, not enough to put me on medication. I

am

> so happy. We just have to keep an eye on it, because this could be

the

> beginning of the problem so I have to be tested again in three

months.

> What confuses me though, Is, how come I have all the sysmptoms of it??

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with AntJoan. Many, many people, like Joan and myself, have

completely recovered from Graves/hyperthyroidism. All the information that you

need

to recover is on my website at _www.ithyroid.com_ (http://www.ithyroid.com) .

If you want a more concise summary of the information you can get it from

Shomon's book, " Living Well with Graves' Disease and Hyperthyroidism. "

Chapter 10 is devoted to my nutritional protocol for Graves/hyperthyroidism.

The bulletin board on the website is not working, but we are using this

email group, which I started in 1998, as a discussion forum.

Be well,

In a message dated 11/29/2006 4:43:58 AM Pacific Standard Time,

AntJoan@... writes:

In a message dated 11/29/2006 2:21:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

_AIMEECAKES@..._ (mailto:AIMEECAKES@...) writes:

Unfortunatly, there is no " cure " for Graves and until they find a cure, we

will always be under a docs care. If not for the Graves itself, the damage

Graves has done to our body.

I disagree, and think there is a cure for Graves. I was diagnosed in 1998,

and got better after a few months on Tapezole and Atenenol, change in diet

and supplements, and acupuncture. I weaned off the meds in a few months, and

was fine. After that, I do see my internist yearly for a check-up and test

my

blood levels, but, aside from that, am not under a doctor's care, and

haven't seen an endo for 8 years.

What I did won't work for everyone, but it certainly is a possibility.

AntJoan

[Guest guest]

You are so very very lucky.

I wonder if they were even correct in their diagnosis?

Aimee

AntJoan@... wrote:

In a message dated 11/29/2006 2:21:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

AIMEECAKES@... writes:

Unfortunatly, there is no " cure " for Graves and until they find a cure, we

will always be under a docs care. If not for the Graves itself, the damage

Graves has done to our body.

I disagree, and think there is a cure for Graves. I was diagnosed in 1998,

and got better after a few months on Tapezole and Atenenol, change in diet

and supplements, and acupuncture. I weaned off the meds in a few months, and

was fine. After that, I do see my internist yearly for a check-up and test my

blood levels, but, aside from that, am not under a doctor's care, and

haven't seen an endo for 8 years.

What I did won't work for everyone, but it certainly is a possibility.

AntJoan

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/29/2006 2:57:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

kkmwn@... writes:

One differing thought though. I do believe graves the autoimmune disease is

for life. Our autoimmune system has already proven to be defective.

Dear Kim,

I don't believe (or maybe refuse to believe), that my autoimmune system is

" defective. " Rather, I choose to believe that it was going through a " stage, "

(like being a teenager or something), and was just acting out, maybe due to

hormones, or some other underlying imbalance.

Maybe Graves can have different causes in different people, some being more

hard to treat than others. I do agree that, the longer you have it, the

harder it is to treat. I got sick in March 1998, and was diagnosed around June

1998, so I wasn't ill for that long.

AntJoan

[Guest guest]

Hi, ,

Nice to hear from you. I've been with you from the beginning, when I

answered your query in Health Magazine, do you remember?

I already was better by the time you started this list, and stayed around to

help others find natural ways to heal.

Hope you are doing well,

AntJoan

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/29/2006 11:11:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

AIMEECAKES@... writes:

I wonder if they were even correct in their diagnosis?

Aimee

Dear Aimee,

I saw an endo, and took a lot of tests to be diagnosed properly. I

definitely had most of the symptoms of Graves, some very severe, such as weight

loss,

voracious appetite, extreme muscle weakness, out-of-control anger, etc. I

had some kind of radioactive test, which I am now sorry I took, since I since

found out, on this board, that there is another way to test definitively for

Graves. This test confirmed the Graves diagnosis.

AntJoan

[Guest guest]

I got rid of the specialists as soon as I could. Unfortunately I live in an

underserviced town - there is no way to change my family doctor as there is an

extreme shortage - about 200,000 waiting to get a family doc. So I have just

become as careful and knowledgible as possible....I try hard not to challenge my

doc but to guide her along...

Kate

Re: Hypothyroidism

K, what is it like to not have a thyroid? If you dont mind me asking, and

how does it get to the point when you know you have to have it removed.

MyraAnne Healey

dba JP-Online

64 Abijah Bridge Road

Weare New Hampshire 03281

_WWW.JPOnlineinNH.com_ (http://www.jponlineinnh.com/)

603.529-7441

603-529-7739 Fax

JPMyra@...

[Guest guest]

I too agree with Aunt Joan and .

There are so many things we can do with diet and lifestyle to change the

condition of our health. No, the changes will not occur overnight. But if you

give your body what it needs, and quit giving it what it cannot use/doesn't

need, then the body can begin to heal itself. Depending on how sick you were

will determine how long it will take your body to recover.

And at any point if you go back to eating/doing the things you did previously

then your previous state of health will eventually return.

For instance, I believe my overall health is actually better than it was a year

ago. I have made alot of changes in diet and the way I do things. Used to love

breaded fried chicken tenders from fast food places. Easy quick meal for on the

go. I have given those up now, among other things (do you really know what is

in that breading or what oils they use to fry it?). I have learned to be very

picky in what I eat. I have now done the " oh, just this once will be fine "

enough times with various foods that I realize how much foods do effect your

health. Just one of those yummy chicken tenders and my excema will break out,

fatigue is back for the day(maybe two), and just an overall feeling of yuck. Is

it really worth it? Not anymore! LOL!

So in my opinion, it depends on how extreme the graves', or any other autoimmune

disease, to determine the agressiveness of treatment. Whether you use only meds

or supplements or other alt meds. But either way the fellow gravesians I have

met claim to have better results with their meds when they include dietary

changes and supplements. And this has been true for me too.

One differing thought though. I do believe graves the autoimmune disease is for

life. Our autoimmune system has already proven to be defective. Like diabetes

it can be controlled with diet, etc. When a diabetic doesn't control their

disease they WILL have problems. So with graves we can control it and be

vigilant. But having graves does not mean we have to live in a constant state

of hyperthyroidism. We can control it and live with perfectly normal lab

ranges, symptom free.

Kim

aka Hyperkim

Re: Hypothyroidism

I agree with AntJoan. Many, many people, like Joan and myself, have

completely recovered from Graves/hyperthyroidism. All the information that you

need

to recover is on my website at _www.ithyroid.com_ (http://www.ithyroid.com) .

If you want a more concise summary of the information you can get it from

Shomon's book, " Living Well with Graves' Disease and Hyperthyroidism. "

Chapter 10 is devoted to my nutritional protocol for Graves/hyperthyroidism.

The bulletin board on the website is not working, but we are using this

email group, which I started in 1998, as a discussion forum.

Be well,

In a message dated 11/29/2006 4:43:58 AM Pacific Standard Time,

AntJoan@... writes:

In a message dated 11/29/2006 2:21:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

_AIMEECAKES@..._ (mailto:AIMEECAKES@...) writes:

Unfortunatly, there is no " cure " for Graves and until they find a cure, we

will always be under a docs care. If not for the Graves itself, the damage

Graves has done to our body.

I disagree, and think there is a cure for Graves. I was diagnosed in 1998,

and got better after a few months on Tapezole and Atenenol, change in diet

and supplements, and acupuncture. I weaned off the meds in a few months, and

was fine. After that, I do see my internist yearly for a check-up and test

my

blood levels, but, aside from that, am not under a doctor's care, and

haven't seen an endo for 8 years.

What I did won't work for everyone, but it certainly is a possibility.

AntJoan

[Guest guest]

Diabetes 1,(juvenile diabetes),cannot be controlled with just diet.

That is a very dangerous statement to make. In my own opinion,

Graves can't be controlled with just diet either. Symptoms may

subside, but they usually always come back. You can't " cure " Graves.-

-- In hyperthyroidism , kkmwn@... wrote:

>

> I too agree with Aunt Joan and .

>

> There are so many things we can do with diet and lifestyle to

change the condition of our health. No, the changes will not occur

overnight. But if you give your body what it needs, and quit giving

it what it cannot use/doesn't need, then the body can begin to heal

itself. Depending on how sick you were will determine how long it

will take your body to recover.

>

> And at any point if you go back to eating/doing the things you did

previously then your previous state of health will eventually return.

>

> For instance, I believe my overall health is actually better than

it was a year ago. I have made alot of changes in diet and the way

I do things. Used to love breaded fried chicken tenders from fast

food places. Easy quick meal for on the go. I have given those up

now, among other things (do you really know what is in that breading

or what oils they use to fry it?). I have learned to be very picky

in what I eat. I have now done the " oh, just this once will be

fine " enough times with various foods that I realize how much foods

do effect your health. Just one of those yummy chicken tenders and

my excema will break out, fatigue is back for the day(maybe two),

and just an overall feeling of yuck. Is it really worth it? Not

anymore! LOL!

>

> So in my opinion, it depends on how extreme the graves', or any

other autoimmune disease, to determine the agressiveness of

treatment. Whether you use only meds or supplements or other alt

meds. But either way the fellow gravesians I have met claim to have

better results with their meds when they include dietary changes and

supplements. And this has been true for me too.

>

> One differing thought though. I do believe graves the autoimmune

disease is for life. Our autoimmune system has already proven to be

defective. Like diabetes it can be controlled with diet, etc. When

a diabetic doesn't control their disease they WILL have problems.

So with graves we can control it and be vigilant. But having graves

does not mean we have to live in a constant state of

hyperthyroidism. We can control it and live with perfectly normal

lab ranges, symptom free.

>

> Kim

> aka Hyperkim

>

> Re: Hypothyroidism

>

>

>

> I agree with AntJoan. Many, many people, like Joan and myself,

have

> completely recovered from Graves/hyperthyroidism. All the

information that you need

> to recover is on my website at _www.ithyroid.com_

(http://www.ithyroid.com) .

>

> If you want a more concise summary of the information you can get

it from

> Shomon's book, " Living Well with Graves' Disease and

Hyperthyroidism. "

> Chapter 10 is devoted to my nutritional protocol for

Graves/hyperthyroidism.

>

> The bulletin board on the website is not working, but we are using

this

> email group, which I started in 1998, as a discussion forum.

>

> Be well,

>

>

>

> In a message dated 11/29/2006 4:43:58 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> AntJoan@... writes:

>

> In a message dated 11/29/2006 2:21:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> _AIMEECAKES@..._ (mailto:AIMEECAKES@...) writes:

>

> Unfortunatly, there is no " cure " for Graves and until they find a

cure, we

> will always be under a docs care. If not for the Graves itself,

the damage

> Graves has done to our body.

>

> I disagree, and think there is a cure for Graves. I was diagnosed

in 1998,

> and got better after a few months on Tapezole and Atenenol, change

in diet

> and supplements, and acupuncture. I weaned off the meds in a few

months, and

> was fine. After that, I do see my internist yearly for a check-up

and test

> my

> blood levels, but, aside from that, am not under a doctor's care,

and

> haven't seen an endo for 8 years.

>

> What I did won't work for everyone, but it certainly is a

possibility.

>

> AntJoan

>

>

[Guest guest]

Amy you're right about type 1 diabetes. But my daughter has type 2 diabetes and

is controlling it with her diet alone. She's not alone. So there's truth to be

said on both sides. Please keep an open mind.

Kate

Re: Hypothyroidism

>

>

>

> I agree with AntJoan. Many, many people, like Joan and myself,

have

> completely recovered from Graves/hyperthyroidism. All the

information that you need

> to recover is on my website at _www.ithyroid.com_

(http://www.ithyroid.com) .

>

> If you want a more concise summary of the information you can get

it from

> Shomon's book, " Living Well with Graves' Disease and

Hyperthyroidism. "

> Chapter 10 is devoted to my nutritional protocol for

Graves/hyperthyroidism.

>

> The bulletin board on the website is not working, but we are using

this

> email group, which I started in 1998, as a discussion forum.

>

> Be well,

>

>

>

> In a message dated 11/29/2006 4:43:58 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> AntJoan@... writes:

>

> In a message dated 11/29/2006 2:21:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> _AIMEECAKES@..._ (mailto:AIMEECAKES@...) writes:

>

> Unfortunatly, there is no " cure " for Graves and until they find a

cure, we

> will always be under a docs care. If not for the Graves itself,

the damage

> Graves has done to our body.

>

> I disagree, and think there is a cure for Graves. I was diagnosed

in 1998,

> and got better after a few months on Tapezole and Atenenol, change

in diet

> and supplements, and acupuncture. I weaned off the meds in a few

months, and

> was fine. After that, I do see my internist yearly for a check-up

and test

> my

> blood levels, but, aside from that, am not under a doctor's care,

and

> haven't seen an endo for 8 years.

>

> What I did won't work for everyone, but it certainly is a

possibility.

>

> AntJoan

>

>

[Guest guest]

Aimee,

Thanks for catching my slip,

You are correct. I was amiss. Diabetes can be " controlled " with diet and meds

as required. But even a Type 1 diabetic has to control their diet. It is a

pre-requisite for healthy life as a diabetic. I haven't met a " healthy "

diabetic who doesn't control thier diet.

And my opinion is autoimmune diseases are for life. So, no, for now there is no

" cure " for graves. Or diabetes for that matter. With autoimmune diseases the

immune system has proven itself defective.

Sorry for the confusion. My original post was focusing on

diet/nutrition/lifestyle habits as they effect the state of our health. But

yes, meds are a requirement for some. Especially, Type 1 diabetics.

Kim

Re: Hypothyroidism

>

>

>

> I agree with AntJoan. Many, many people, like Joan and myself,

have

> completely recovered from Graves/hyperthyroidism. All the

information that you need

> to recover is on my website at _www.ithyroid.com_

(http://www.ithyroid.com) .

>

> If you want a more concise summary of the information you can get

it from

> Shomon's book, " Living Well with Graves' Disease and

Hyperthyroidism. "

> Chapter 10 is devoted to my nutritional protocol for

Graves/hyperthyroidism.

>

> The bulletin board on the website is not working, but we are using

this

> email group, which I started in 1998, as a discussion forum.

>

> Be well,

>

>

>

> In a message dated 11/29/2006 4:43:58 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> AntJoan@... writes:

>

> In a message dated 11/29/2006 2:21:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> _AIMEECAKES@..._ (mailto:AIMEECAKES@...) writes:

>

> Unfortunatly, there is no " cure " for Graves and until they find a

cure, we

> will always be under a docs care. If not for the Graves itself,

the damage

> Graves has done to our body.

>

> I disagree, and think there is a cure for Graves. I was diagnosed

in 1998,

> and got better after a few months on Tapezole and Atenenol, change

in diet

> and supplements, and acupuncture. I weaned off the meds in a few

months, and

> was fine. After that, I do see my internist yearly for a check-up

and test

> my

> blood levels, but, aside from that, am not under a doctor's care,

and

> haven't seen an endo for 8 years.

>

> What I did won't work for everyone, but it certainly is a

possibility.

>

> AntJoan

>

>