Guest guest Posted September 29, 2010 Report Share Posted September 29, 2010 No BPH is Benign Prostatic Hyperplasi or prostate enlargement. Co-Moderator Phil > > > From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...> > > Subject: Re: E2 symptoms? > > > > Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 1:21 PM > > I don't know if all of that can come > > from high E2, but I am sure not any expert. > > > > Mine is high, and I am NOT on TRT. > > I have fatigue, water retention, and basically a total > lack > > of interest in sex. I think these are from the high E2 > in me > > anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2010 Report Share Posted September 29, 2010 Is is DHEA in my testosterone gel????? Sendt fra min iPhone Den 29. sep. 2010 kl. 22.09 skrev philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>: Tom, In men we all have Estradiol and other Estrogen's we need them much the same as women need them only we don't need a much. In men E's are made from Testosterone when we add it to the body as in TRT some of it converts into E's for most men. As we age we can end up with more E's then the wife has. It get convented from the Aromatase that is in the fat in our body the older we get the more fat we have and the higher Estraidol can get. So in younger men the higher your dose of Testosterone is from being TRT the more it can convert into Estradiol. http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174 But what your feeling I don't think it's a side effect from high levels of Estradiol I feel it's the DHEA in your Testosterone Gel. Co-Moderator Phil > > > From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...> > > Subject: Re: E2 symptoms? > > > > Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 1:21 PM > > I don't know if all of that can come > > from high E2, but I am sure not any expert. > > > > Mine is high, and I am NOT on TRT. > > I have fatigue, water retention, and basically a total > lack > > of interest in sex. I think these are from the high E2 > in me > > anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2010 Report Share Posted September 29, 2010 I thought you say some time ago it was mixed in with it if I am wrong I am sorry. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...> > > > Subject: Re: E2 symptoms? > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 1:21 PM > > > I don't know if all of that can come > > > from high E2, but I am sure not any expert. > > > > > > Mine is high, and I am NOT on TRT. > > > I have fatigue, water retention, and basically a > total > > lack > > > of interest in sex. I think these are from the > high E2 > > in me > > > anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2010 Report Share Posted September 29, 2010 There is no dhea in my Liposomal! It's ok! I tale DhEA caps compounded on the side. 35 mg daily. The best quality. I will fly down to Hertoghe in November after I turn 32. Sendt fra min iPhone Den 29. sep. 2010 kl. 23.43 skrev philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>: I thought you say some time ago it was mixed in with it if I am wrong I am sorry. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...> > > > Subject: Re: E2 symptoms? > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 1:21 PM > > > I don't know if all of that can come > > > from high E2, but I am sure not any expert. > > > > > > Mine is high, and I am NOT on TRT. > > > I have fatigue, water retention, and basically a > total > > lack > > > of interest in sex. I think these are from the > high E2 > > in me > > > anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 > > BPH is high blood pressure? > I have LOWER blood pressure now for some reason. > But ANXIETY is a " new " symptom that really got bad this summer when I got attacks while driving my car alone. I started shaking, got a FAST pulse (180 easily) and it was just horrible! > Maybe THAT was high E2? > > How come I had high E2 back in like 2001 or 2002 when I only took T4 meds? Hmmmmm. Does that make sense? > > I hope Hertoghe can heal me! ;( Miss livin' - Badly....... > > T. Have you had your adrenal functions checked through the 4x saliva test? Low blood pressure and anxiety are strong indicators of poor adrenal function. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 Tom that is why I thought your DHEA was in your Testoterone gel you said it was compounded. I use to use a T cream with DHEA. Still I don't feel your feeling this way due to high levels of Estradiol. But there is a first thing for everyone. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > > > From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...> > > > > Subject: Re: E2 symptoms? > > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 1:21 > PM > > > > I don't know if all of that can come > > > > from high E2, but I am sure not any expert. > > > > > > > > Mine is high, and I am NOT on TRT. > > > > I have fatigue, water retention, and > basically a > > total > > > lack > > > > of interest in sex. I think these are from > the > > high E2 > > > in me > > > > anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 When I feel like my levels are going up high even after taking a .25 mgs pill that morning I will add .25 mgs when I feel like this and in about an hr. I will feel better. You then would just take your next dose if you go to low it will come back up very fast. There are just times where you get a spike in your E2 levels can be your food drinking water out of plastic bottles Plastic leaches E2 in to your food and water. If this keeps up just take .25 mgs every other day if your doing it every 3 days. If you lose your wood not a big deal just stop the arimidex until your wood comes back that morning go back on it but go back to every 3 days. I find I have to do this a lot. It's not bad to go to low unless your to low for a long time. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > > > From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...> > > > > Subject: Re: E2 symptoms? > > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 1:21 > PM > > > > I don't know if all of that can come > > > > from high E2, but I am sure not any expert. > > > > > > > > Mine is high, and I am NOT on TRT. > > > > I have fatigue, water retention, and > basically a > > total > > > lack > > > > of interest in sex. I think these are from > the > > high E2 > > > in me > > > > anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 Maybe I'm just weird but I don't experience the emotional or physical roller coaster that others speak about because of hypogonadism. My personality, although I am not always the easiest going guy, has remained pretty constant. When I am depressed, there is usually a valid reason explaining this besides just a chemical imbalance. Let me say, I have no expectation that I should feel " up " every day. That's just not normal for anyone. Same with physical energy. I am a sixty-six year old man; some days I feel physically more vibrant than others. This too seems normal to me. One thing I feel very grateful for is that I enjoy excellent health most of the time. It is rare that I ever feel ill or even get the flu. Other than sexual dysfunction, I have no complaints....healthwise. My heart is great, haven't ever had cancer, have some allergies which are not too bad. Normally, I have lots of energy. I am mentally alert although not a brilliant as I would wish to be. All in all, life is good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if all of that can > > come from > > > > high E2, but > > > > > > I am sure not any expert. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mine is high, and I am NOT on > > TRT. > > > > > > > I have fatigue, water retention, > > and > > > > basically a total > > > > > > lack of interest in sex. I think these > > are from > > > > the high E2 > > > > > > in me anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 I haven't given up at all, . If I had, I wouldn't have pursued TRT. One thing I've neglected to mention is that I am bisexual. This has clearly caused me some psychological issues when it comes to sexual relations. My wife and I have been married for forty-six years. We are as solid as a rock regardless of our sexual incompatibility. Being with her is of primary importance to me. However, I am sexually more attracted to other men than to women. If I had to choose between these two inconsistencies, I choose my wife, always. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if all of that can come > > from high > > > > E2, but I am sure not any expert. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mine is high, and I am NOT on TRT. > > > > > > I have fatigue, water retention, and > > basically a > > > > total lack of interest in sex. I think these are > > from the > > > > high E2 in me anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Â Â Â Â Â > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 I have a lot of empathy for guys who are married and yet are either gay or bi. My best friend is this way. He rarely has sex with his wife, and yet because of his spiritual beliefs he believes he's cheating on her if he has sex with a man. I feel sorry for him. He also has borderline personality disorder. I need to call him - he's having surgery today for some damage caused by his sexual abuse as a very young child and by his lifestyle when he was acting on his attraction to men. I'm glad you're solid as a rock with your wife - I've heard my friend say that his wife is his rock as well. Congratulations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if all of that can come > > > from high > > > > > E2, but I am sure not any expert. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mine is high, and I am NOT on TRT. > > > > > > > I have fatigue, water retention, and > > > basically a > > > > > total lack of interest in sex. I think these are > > > from the > > > > > high E2 in me anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Â Â Â Â Â > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 Hey Phil, thanks for understanding. The world needs more folks like you. Prime > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if all of that > > can come > > > > from high > > > > > > E2, but I am sure not any expert. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mine is high, and I am NOT on > > TRT. > > > > > > > > I have fatigue, water > > retention, and > > > > basically a > > > > > > total lack of interest in sex. I think > > these are > > > > from the > > > > > > high E2 in me anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Â Â Â Â Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 Hey Phil, thanks for understanding. The world needs more folks like you. Prime > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if all of that > > can come > > > > from high > > > > > > E2, but I am sure not any expert. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mine is high, and I am NOT on > > TRT. > > > > > > > > I have fatigue, water > > retention, and > > > > basically a > > > > > > total lack of interest in sex. I think > > these are > > > > from the > > > > > > high E2 in me anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Â Â Â Â Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 Phil, I've taken a statin for several decades. Fortunately, I haven't experienced the reactions you have. However, some would argue that statins are problematical and one should find alternatives. Statins control my genetically high cholesterol. I'm not sure which is more harmful, high cholesterol or the possible side effects of taking a statin for a long time. Unfortunately, there is a lot that remains unknown about statins. Prime > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if all of > > that can > > > > come from > > > > > > high E2, but > > > > > > > > I am sure not any expert. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mine is high, and I am > > NOT on > > > > TRT. > > > > > > > > > I have fatigue, water > > retention, > > > > and > > > > > > basically a total > > > > > > > > lack of interest in sex. I > > think these > > > > are from > > > > > > the high E2 > > > > > > > > in me anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 Your welcome all I am doing is the same thing men did for me when I first came here. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Primemuscle <Primemuscle@...> > Subject: Re: E2 symptoms? > > Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 3:06 AM > Hey Phil, thanks for understanding. > The world needs more folks like you. > > Prime > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if all > of that > > > can come > > > > > from high > > > > > > > E2, but I am sure not any > expert. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mine is high, and I > am NOT on > > > TRT. > > > > > > > > > I have fatigue, > water > > > retention, and > > > > > basically a > > > > > > > total lack of interest in > sex. I think > > > these are > > > > > from the > > > > > > > high E2 in me anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Â Â Â Â Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of > this message > > > have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 I would not tell People not to take Statin Drugs from what I have read what happened to me is one in 20,000. If you suffer from joint or muscle pain you need to tell your Dr. If he will not listen remind him what the insert says about sides. Every one on Statin Drugs need to take 50 to 100 mgs of ubiquinol-based Co Q10. I find this supplement from Dr. Mercola is the best little by little my pain from being on them statin drugs is getting better his ubiquinol-based Co Q10. This other brands did not help as much as his is. http://products.mercola.com/coq10-ubiquinol/?source=nl Co-Moderator Phil > From: Primemuscle <Primemuscle@...> > Subject: Re: E2 symptoms? > > Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 3:12 AM > Phil, > > I've taken a statin for several decades. Fortunately, I > haven't experienced the reactions you have. However, some > would argue that statins are problematical and one should > find alternatives. Statins control my genetically high > cholesterol. I'm not sure which is more harmful, high > cholesterol or the possible side effects of taking a statin > for a long time. Unfortunately, there is a lot that remains > unknown about statins. > > Prime > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know > if all of > > > that can > > > > > come from > > > > > > > high E2, but > > > > > > > > > I am sure not any > expert. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mine is high, > and I am > > > NOT on > > > > > TRT. > > > > > > > > > > I have > fatigue, water > > > retention, > > > > > and > > > > > > > basically a total > > > > > > > > > lack of interest in > sex. I > > > think these > > > > > are from > > > > > > > the high E2 > > > > > > > > > in me anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â Â -fullfeatured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 I would take my chances without statins.Big money in statins and drs are pushed to prescribe.Total high cholesterol and high LDL means nothing.Only tests to be concerned is having a high HDL and a low VLDL.Of course having low triglerides is very important.But when one has low triglcerides,it throws the calculations way off.The LDL is estimated and not directly determined.Most drs won't directly check the VLDL by VAP test.Just easier to prescibe statins and God only knows the long term effect of taking these potentially dangerous drugs.If one is inclined to take a cholesterol drug,just take slo niacin with a baby aspirin 30 mins prior to taking it.this prevents the hot flash.It is a natural vitamin and is very effective.No profit in it, so it's rarely prescribed. Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if all of > > > that can > > > > > come from > > > > > > > high E2, but > > > > > > > > > I am sure not any expert. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mine is high, and I am > > > NOT on > > > > > TRT. > > > > > > > > > > I have fatigue, water > > > retention, > > > > > and > > > > > > > basically a total > > > > > > > > > lack of interest in sex. I > > > think these > > > > > are from > > > > > > > the high E2 > > > > > > > > > in me anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 What are all the E2 symptoms in men? I just wonder cause I feel so crummy. Maybe Arimidex IS the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 I've had high E2 for over 6 months now and although I feel like crap, I'm still here and kicking. I can't take arimidex b/c of side effects and I " m trying to get it down with DIM. So, don't worry about having high E2, it ain't gonna kill you in the short term. On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Gibcast <gibcast@...> wrote: > > > What are the high E2 symptoms in men? Let's say my E2 is 69 pg/mL which it > was in a test I did in December... How would I feel like? > > Right now I feel: Immense head pressure, pain in my head, like my brain is > infected, heavy eyelids, nausea... > > Guess I'm more Hypothyroid now than before because hnigh E2 is blocking > Testo/Thyroid from entering the cells? Could it be deadly to walk around for > a few months with super high E2 like I have now? > > SHOULD I JUST TAKE ARIMIDEX WITHOUT ASKING MY DOCTOR? (HERTOGHE) > > I feel so bad! :-( > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 What are your symptoms of high E2? And how high is your E2? What were the side effects you got from taking Arimidex? Dunno what this is if it's high E2 or sinus infection or hemmorage in the brain.. I just feel dying to be honest.. :-( Insane pressure in the head, pain, heavy eyelids... NORMAL BP (135/85/80) and a slightly low temp at 98.2 F. > > > What are the high E2 symptoms in men? Let's say my E2 is 69 pg/mL which it > was in a test I did in December... How would I feel like? > > Right now I feel: Immense head pressure, pain in my head, like my brain is > infected, heavy eyelids, nausea... > > Guess I'm more Hypothyroid now than before because hnigh E2 is blocking > Testo/Thyroid from entering the cells? Could it be deadly to walk around for > a few months with super high E2 like I have now? > > SHOULD I JUST TAKE ARIMIDEX WITHOUT ASKING MY DOCTOR? (HERTOGHE) > > I feel so bad! :-( > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 My E2 is very high, don't remembe the number at the moment. Brain fog, my head feels heavy like my neck isn't strong enough to hold it up, heavy eyelids, Pain in my sinus area (I've had CAT scans done and they were negative), balance problems, and various other symptoms. The arimidex caused me insomnia and heart palps. The thing that sucked is that I was on it for about 5 weeks and most of all of the sytmptoms I listed went away. On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Gibcast <gibcast@...> wrote: > > > What are your symptoms of high E2? And how high is your E2? > > What were the side effects you got from taking Arimidex? > > Dunno what this is if it's high E2 or sinus infection or hemmorage in the > brain.. I just feel dying to be honest.. :-( Insane pressure in the head, > pain, heavy eyelids... NORMAL BP (135/85/80) and a slightly low temp at 98.2 > F. > > > > > > > > > > > What are the high E2 symptoms in men? Let's say my E2 is 69 pg/mL which > it > > was in a test I did in December... How would I feel like? > > > > Right now I feel: Immense head pressure, pain in my head, like my brain > is > > infected, heavy eyelids, nausea... > > > > Guess I'm more Hypothyroid now than before because hnigh E2 is blocking > > Testo/Thyroid from entering the cells? Could it be deadly to walk around > for > > a few months with super high E2 like I have now? > > > > SHOULD I JUST TAKE ARIMIDEX WITHOUT ASKING MY DOCTOR? (HERTOGHE) > > > > I feel so bad! :-( > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 OK I HAVE ALL THOSE SYMPTOMS NOW... :-( Guess it's high E2 then! Any advice on how to get it down fast using what I have in my kitchen? Like a spice or whatever? My E2 was 69 pg/mL in December. The range is <30 pg/mL for men. It's way too high. Is yours that high? But when I measured it again it was lower. Maybe you took too much Arimidex? Now I worry about taking Arimidex too! CRAP! Please read this: This is a copy of my email sent to Dr. Hertoghe today: (Maybe you guys could comment?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dear Dr. Hertoghe, I need to know I need to take Arimidex based on all my different E2-results from the past 2 months: (Samples drawn at 11 am, fasting, with T-gel applied 1-2 evenings before draw as per your request!) Lab 1 Norway:18 Nov 2010 - Estradiol: 0.11 nmol/L (<0.18 nmol/L) N? RP-L. Brussels: 15 Jan 2010 - Estradiol: 69 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) H! RP-L. Brussels: 18 Jan 2011 - Control E2 (old serum) 40 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) H! Lab 1 Norway: 10 Jan 2011 - Estradiol: 0.08 pmol/L (<0.18 pmol/L) N? Lab 2 Norway: 26 Jan 2011 - Estradiol: 0.15 nmol/L (0.06 - 0.14 nmol/L) H! It's difficult for me to decide myself as I am not a hormone specialist. > > > > > > > What are the high E2 symptoms in men? Let's say my E2 is 69 pg/mL which > it > > was in a test I did in December... How would I feel like? > > > > Right now I feel: Immense head pressure, pain in my head, like my brain > is > > infected, heavy eyelids, nausea... > > > > Guess I'm more Hypothyroid now than before because hnigh E2 is blocking > > Testo/Thyroid from entering the cells? Could it be deadly to walk around > for > > a few months with super high E2 like I have now? > > > > SHOULD I JUST TAKE ARIMIDEX WITHOUT ASKING MY DOCTOR? (HERTOGHE) > > > > I feel so bad! :-( > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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