Re:Interesting View of Arimidex by Body Builders

[Guest guest]

The man who wrote this article is not a doctor or any type of medical

professional. He apparently makes his living helping bodybuilders use

steroids. Do you really think it's wise to trust the advice of this man?

I'm frequently amazed by the questionable information readers of this

discussion group are willing to accept, believe, and apply to their

lives. And who is this guy Phil anyway? He's seems to be looked up to

as the guru of hypogonadism knowledge, but he's just a guy. No medical

background. No real qualifications to give advice. How do any of you

know that anything he says is true or correct? Time to think for yourselves.

[Guest guest]

Hey Mr. ,

 

Apparently you have not taken the time to read the archive entries in the forum.

Phil is the moderator and has a long life of experience with basically every

type of treatment. Yes we know that most on this forum have no medical

background but that is the basis for this forum - to share life experiences that

might help another individual with the same issues.

 

As for the body building community, they have provided us with so much

information on how different medication/herbal remedies affect the body

chemistry and how we can benefit from them so don't discount them so quickly.

 

And yes, we make informative decisions prior to embarking on something. Most do

this under medical supervision but what we have found is about 9 out of 10

physicians do not have a clue on the recent research and practices to treat

hypogonadism because they just don't have that many patients - that is why they

prescribe the standard practice treatments that have been shown time and time

again not to work well.

 

Arkansas

From: J. Cameron <camdavis58@...>

Subject: Re:Interesting View of Arimidex by Body Builders

Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 3:46 AM

 

The man who wrote this article is not a doctor or any type of medical

professional. He apparently makes his living helping bodybuilders use

steroids. Do you really think it's wise to trust the advice of this man?

I'm frequently amazed by the questionable information readers of this

discussion group are willing to accept, believe, and apply to their

lives. And who is this guy Phil anyway? He's seems to be looked up to

as the guru of hypogonadism knowledge, but he's just a guy. No medical

background. No real qualifications to give advice. How do any of you

know that anything he says is true or correct? Time to think for yourselves.

[Guest guest]

I have been national level competitor bodybuiler for many years and know from

first hand experience how drugs can affect the body. Unlike most bodybuilders I

was considered " naturally " among the top athletes. I will never work with a

person competing that is using performance enhancing drugs. Actually I just got

asked to be health consultant to one of the number one fitness models in the

world and she is natural as well and staying that way.

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> From: J. Cameron <camdavis58@...>

> Subject: Re:Interesting View of Arimidex by Body Builders

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> Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 3:46 AM

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> The man who wrote this article is not a doctor or any type of medical

> professional. He apparently makes his living helping bodybuilders use

> steroids. Do you really think it's wise to trust the advice of this man?

> I'm frequently amazed by the questionable information readers of this

> discussion group are willing to accept, believe, and apply to their

> lives. And who is this guy Phil anyway? He's seems to be looked up to

> as the guru of hypogonadism knowledge, but he's just a guy. No medical

> background. No real qualifications to give advice. How do any of you

> know that anything he says is true or correct? Time to think for yourselves.

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[Guest guest]

Hard I sent you an Email get back to me or call if you can.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

> Subject: Re:Interesting View of Arimidex by Body Builders

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> Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 9:18 AM

> I have been national level competitor

> bodybuiler for many years and know from first hand

> experience how drugs can affect the body.  Unlike most

> bodybuilders I was considered " naturally " among the top

> athletes.  I will never work with a person competing

> that is using performance enhancing drugs.  Actually I

> just got asked to be health consultant to one of the

> number  one fitness models in the world and she is

> natural as well and staying that way. 

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> > From: J. Cameron <camdavis58@...>

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> > steroids. Do you really think it's wise to trust the

> advice of this man?

> > I'm frequently amazed by the questionable information

> readers of this

> > discussion group are willing to accept, believe, and

> apply to their

> > lives. And who is this guy Phil anyway? He's seems to

> be looked up to

> > as the guru of hypogonadism knowledge, but he's just a

> guy. No medical

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> do any of you

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J. I am just a guy that suffered for 23 yrs seeing the wrong Dr.'s you can

read my story at this link.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=9239

When I came here I was a mess seen many Dr.'s this forum helped me so much I

just feel the need to help back as best I can. I don't want to see other men go

down the road I had too.

And I never tell men to treat them self's or to change there meds with out there

Dr.

I have been on TRT over 27 yrs.

I felt your post was great about the Arimidex everyone needs to see both sides

of it. Most men here only need a small amount of it to keep there Estradiol

levels in check like .25 mgs of 1/4 of a pill every 2 or 3 days.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: J. Cameron <camdavis58@...>

> Subject: Re:Interesting View of Arimidex by Body Builders

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> Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 4:46 AM

> The man who wrote this article is not

> a doctor or any type of medical

> professional. He apparently makes his living helping

> bodybuilders use

> steroids. Do you really think it's wise to trust the advice

> of this man?

> I'm frequently amazed by the questionable information

> readers of this

> discussion group are willing to accept, believe, and apply

> to their

> lives. And who is this guy Phil anyway? He's seems to be

> looked  up to

> as the guru of hypogonadism knowledge, but he's just a guy.

> No medical

> background. No real qualifications to give advice. How do

> any of you

> know that anything he says is true or correct? Time to

> think for yourselves.

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[Guest guest]

I echo your sentiments.  Last year, my primary care doctor had me see an

endrocrinologist who didn't believe in TRT.   She was very dismissive of the

idea.  I'm fortunate to have a primary care physician who views the

doctor-patient relationship as a partnership.

 

I also have access to online research medical articles and there's almost

nothing mentioned about TRT beyond simply using testosterone.  This forum is

very useful to gain additional insights into TRT and to research areas unknown

to most doctors (endrocrinologists included).

From: J. Cameron <camdavis58gmail (DOT) com>

Subject: Re:Interesting View of Arimidex by Body Builders

Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 3:46 AM

 

The man who wrote this article is not a doctor or any type of medical

professional. He apparently makes his living helping bodybuilders use

steroids. Do you really think it's wise to trust the advice of this man?

I'm frequently amazed by the questionable information readers of this

discussion group are willing to accept, believe, and apply to their

lives. And who is this guy Phil anyway? He's seems to be looked up to

as the guru of hypogonadism knowledge, but he's just a guy. No medical

background. No real qualifications to give advice. How do any of you

know that anything he says is true or correct? Time to think for yourselves.

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry, I missed the previous post. Who wrote the article in question?

Be well!

Regards,

Crisler, DO

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Here is a link to the first post on this thread.

/message/56539

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Phil

> From: Crisler, DO <drjohn@...>

> Subject: Re:Interesting View of Arimidex by Body Builders

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> Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 10:39 AM

> I'm sorry, I missed the previous

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> Be well!

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> Regards,

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> Crisler, DO

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[Guest guest]

A guy name Dane Fletcher.

From: Crisler, DO <drjohn@...>

Subject: Re:Interesting View of Arimidex by Body Builders

Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 9:39 AM

 

I'm sorry, I missed the previous post. Who wrote the article in question?

Be well!

Regards,

Crisler, DO

Anti-Aging Medicine

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[Guest guest]

> The man who wrote this article is not a doctor or any type of

> medical professional. He apparently makes his living helping

> bodybuilders use steroids.

Hi,

while many things the BB guys do aren't appropriate for TRT they're often on the

cutting edge and are using doses that " push the envelope " ... for example the BB

guys were using arimidex before the TRT folks... it was worth it for a pro-BB to

spend the then BIG BUCKS for a new cutting edge drug.

> who is this guy Phil anyway?

he's a long time very experienced very knowledgeable patient

you get somebody with 30 years of experience dealing with a problem every day

you listen.

it's like my Dr... I've got 32+ years dealing with the pain caused by being run

over by a car (not hit, RUN OVER)... when I tell him med X does this but med Y

does this and med Z does this and works well with med Y he listens... I've got

more experience dealing with it than he does.

> Time to think for yourselves.

most here DO think for themselves... others rely on the Drs and obey them

regardless of their reactions... others are a mix... sure they get their

testosterone and labs from their doc... but despite sky high E2 levels and

resultant ED, anxiety, etc the doc won't prescribe arimidex swearing " it'll

level off " ... after a few months they order a card of arimidex from ADC, do 1/4

tab every 3rd day monitoring their e2 via Phil's wonderful " wood " guage and

-miraculously- their e2 is in line for the next labs....

ttyl

[Guest guest]

JCD,

Take time to read post and research for yourself. You will find three things

here: 1. facts from research, 2. experience of others and 3. opinions from just

about everyone. All three help make this forum one of the best forums in the

world! And Phil, not a guru, but simply a man who shares (facts, experience and

opinions) information to better quality of life.

As always, seek the advice of your physician, seek info on the forum or ask

Phil.

Dan

> From: J. Cameron <camdavis58@...>

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> I'm frequently amazed by the questionable information

> readers of this

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> discussion group are willing to accept, believe, and apply

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To all concerned:

     This site has been a blessing.  Most of my Doctors are intelligent men

with huge egos, who have allotted their patients 10 minutes of their precious

time, no time for questions,  and have hearts of stone.   Certainly not all

Doctors, but most.  This website has kept the conversation intelligent. 

 

Thank you, Bob 

 

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From: Dan Lee <nvestnyuth@...>

Sent: Sat, 20 February, 2010 1:47:22

Subject: Re: Re:Interesting View of Arimidex by Body Builders

JCD,

Take time to read post and research for yourself. You will find three things

here: 1. facts from research, 2. experience of others and 3. opinions from just

about everyone. All three help make this forum one of the best forums in the

world! And Phil, not a guru, but simply a man who shares (facts, experience and

opinions) information to better quality of life.

As always, seek the advice of your physician, seek info on the forum or ask

Phil.

Dan

> From: J. Cameron <camdavis58gmail (DOT) com>

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> advice of this man?

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> I'm frequently amazed by the questionable information

> readers of this

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Bob Thank you for the kind words.

Co-Moderator

Phil

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very well said!!

 

if you don't want to read this site; just unsubscribe!!!!

 

Phil never claimed to be an MD but I sense he knows more about TRT than 95% of

the practicing MDs!

 

If you don't want to believe him-- don't!!

 

 

this email listserver is a fountain of good information!

 

big biceps

 

 

 

From: Vetcher <robert_vetcher@...>

Subject: Re: Re:Interesting View of Arimidex by Body Builders

Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 10:11 AM

 

To all concerned:

     This site has been a blessing.  Most of my Doctors are intelligent men with

huge egos, who have allotted their patients 10 minutes of their precious time,

no time for questions,  and have hearts of stone.   Certainly not all Doctors,

but most.  This website has kept the conversation intelligent. 

 

Thank you, Bob 

 

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[Guest guest]

IMO Phil should become a Doc.

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He knows more about TRT than any doctor I have spoken to.

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

Re: Re:Interesting View of Arimidex by Body Builders

Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 10:11 AM

 

To all concerned:

     This site has been a blessing.  Most of my Doctors are intelligent men with

huge egos, who have allotted their patients 10 minutes of their precious time,

no time for questions,  and have hearts of stone.   Certainly not all Doctors,

but most.  This website has kept the conversation intelligent. 

 

Thank you, Bob 

 

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[Guest guest]

Let me just add that doctors would love nothing more than to spend all day

with each patient. The reality of the situation is the system won’t let us;

any more than you could survive by being paid for only ten minutes of your

time at work each day.

Health care systems dictate how many patients must be seen each hour. That

is all based upon economics, including how much the patient pays--or

doesn’t--for their health care insurance.

In private sole practice, it costs me $120 each hour just to keep my doors

open. I have worked all day as a physician more times than I care to

remember and not only did not clear one red cent, I actually had to pay for

the right to do so. Yet my employees still need to make their paychecks to

pay their bills, paying half the employees' taxes, paying all (both ends) of

my taxes, office lease, over $800 per month in student loans, $2000 per year

in professional fees, med mal insurance, etc. all take a serious bite out of

a physician's numbers.

Then nearly all of us offer our services pro bono in one way or more.

Imagine going in on a Saturday to do whatever it is you do all week, all

day, for free.

I'm just hoping to maybe alleviate some of your bitterness, by showing the

rest of the story.

The REAL gripe is when physicians close their minds, and cease to learn and

THINK. That is why they oppose TRT, GHRT, T4/T3 for thyroid, treating

estrogen in adult males, using HCG appropriately, etc etc etc. WHEN THE

SCIENCE BEHIND ALL THAT IS ABUNDANT AND UNDENIABLE.

Be well!

Regards,

Crisler, DO

Anti-Aging Medicine

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Re: Re:Interesting View of Arimidex by Body Builders

Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 10:11 AM

 

To all concerned:

     This site has been a blessing.  Most of my Doctors are intelligent men

with huge egos, who have allotted their patients 10 minutes of their

precious time, no time for questions,  and have hearts of stone.   Certainly

not all Doctors, but most.  This website has kept the conversation

intelligent. 

 

Thank you, Bob 

 

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[Guest guest]

Let me the first to say that MDs that have no knowledge or interest in TRT and

helping their patients should be sued for malpractice.  These people came

really close to wrecking my life; if it hadn't been for my reading and informing

my primary care physician there is no way of telling what might have happened to

me.

 

So why don't these physicians know more of TRT, etc.?  Because they are too

busy seeing patients; the more they see/day the more money they make.  My

daughter and son-in-law both practice medicine; I know the drill. 

 

So your story of " practicing medicine " for free " just doesn't cut it with me. 

How long would I stay in business if my work was as subpar as  some well

respected Mds? ?  Not very long is the answer! The AMA is the strongest union

in the world, because it protects the ignorant, the lazy and the incompetent as

well as the intellectually challenged.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Vetcher <robert_vetcher@ .co. uk>

Subject: Re: Re:Interesting View of Arimidex by Body Builders

Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 10:11 AM

 

To all concerned:

     This site has been a blessing.  Most of my Doctors are intelligent men

with huge egos, who have allotted their patients 10 minutes of their

precious time, no time for questions,  and have hearts of stone.   Certainly

not all Doctors, but most.  This website has kept the conversation

intelligent. 

 

Thank you, Bob 

 

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[Guest guest]

Thank you for this Dr. that story needs to told I remember them days yrs

ago when you were first starting out and still spending your time helping and

talking to men on the forums. Your one of a kind all Dr.'s need to be like you.

I do have a question I have been having problems with my E2 levels going up very

high and finding I need more and more arimidex to keep it down.

I just cant believe one would need 1.5 mgs a day to keep it down and taking this

much I still don't have ED Problems. This got me thinking and I looked at the

exp. date on the bottle and is 12/2008 is this the problem it's to old and not

working.

Thanks

Co-Moderator

Phil

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> with huge egos, who have allotted their patients 10

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> precious time, no time for questions,  and have hearts of

> stone.   Certainly

> not all Doctors, but most.  This website has kept the

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Guys I don't feel there is a problem with what the poster said who is this Phil?

I get this a lot and feel he is entitled to ask this question. It's not a

problem. He is here like the rest of use and might be having a dam hard time of

it and is sick of all the bull crap he has been hearing.

Co-Moderator

Phil

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> From: Vetcher <robert_vetcher@...>

> Subject: Re: Re:Interesting View of Arimidex

> by Body Builders

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> Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 10:11 AM

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> To all concerned:

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>      This site has been a blessing.  Most of my

> Doctors are intelligent men with huge egos, who have

> allotted their patients 10 minutes of their precious time,

> no time for questions,  and have hearts of stone.  

> Certainly not all Doctors, but most.  This website has kept

> the conversation intelligent. 

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> Thank you, Bob 

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Please the last thing I want to be is a Dr. my wife's Uncle was a Dr. he owned 2

hosp.'s and never had time to every eat. He worked so hard and much he would

pass his self in the hallway.

Co-Moderator

Phil

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> Subject: Re: Re:Interesting View of Arimidex

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> Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 10:11 AM

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>      This site has been a blessing.  Most of my

> Doctors are intelligent men with huge egos, who have

> allotted their patients 10 minutes of their precious time,

> no time for questions,  and have hearts of stone.  

> Certainly not all Doctors, but most.  This website has kept

> the conversation intelligent. 

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> Thank you, Bob 

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[Guest guest]

Dr. :

Just look at all the frustration on this site about Doctors who refuse to

run standard tests to properly diagnose a person's condition. I understand all

that you have said about running a practice, but I don't understand a Doctor's

refusal to listen to a patient or to thoroughly diagnose their condition. 10

minutes or not, just what are they being paid for. I've shown articles to my

Doctor, written by you, concernng standard tests and E2, and they refuse to read

them. I've had night sweats for a year. Its some big joke. I know there are good

Doctors out there, but it is really tough to find one who just doesn't write you

a script for testosterone and send you home. I know you aren't one of these

Doctors, but you are surrounded by them.

Bob V.

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>      This site has been a blessing.  Most of my Doctors are intelligent men

> with huge egos, who have allotted their patients 10 minutes of their

> precious time, no time for questions,  and have hearts of stone.   Certainly

> not all Doctors, but most.  This website has kept the conversation

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