Re: Thyroid Results,......Barb, Phil!!

[Guest guest]

It's hard to say one needs to go by how they feel. My Free T3 is in the same

units mine is 3.0 in your units I think I would be 300. But I am on 150 mcgs of

Generic Synthroid and 5 mgs of Generic Cytomel 2x's / day. My Free T4 is 1.3. I

tried going up on the Cytomel 3x's / day and I felt hyper.

One thing that needs to be tested before going on Thyroud meds is cortisol do a

4x's /day saliva test if low she needs to treat this first. We need Cortisol to

carry the thyroid hormones out of the blood into the cells. So if she is low on

Cortisol and goes on meds all this will do it build up in her blood.

Here TSH is a flag going up anything over 2 can mean she is hypo. She needs the

labs in this link.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/recommended-labwork/

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Thyroid Results,......Barb, Phil!!

>

> Date: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 12:22 PM

> I had a thread about my mothers TSH

> rising to over 3, and was going to have her ask the doc for

> further testing,.....can't find it now so here is a new one!

> )

>

> As per usual, I told her exactly what tests to ask for, but

> the doc ordered TSH, FT3/4 only. Funny thing is he didn't

> even tell her that he wasn't going to order the other 3.

> Whatever,......this is what I finally picked up from her.

>

> TSH - 2.35 (range 0.40-4.50 mIU/L)

> T4 Free - 1.2 (range 0.8-1.8 ng/dL)

> T3 Free - 2.7 (range 2.3-4.2 pg/mL)

>

> For some reason her FT3 is in different units than mine was

> even though we both use Quest. Mine was in pg/dL.

>

> I suspected the private lab that gave her the result over 3

> on TSH was wrong, and this is more in line with what she has

> been running the last couple of years. Looks too high to me

> still from what little I know?

>

> I assume her FT4 is OK as it is exactly what mine was and

> Barb said that was fine.

> Even with the different scale on FT3, it appears to me that

> she is low in terms of being optimal just as I was.

>

> She is having some classic symptoms of hypo, as in

> unexplained weight gain, and extreme fatigue. She has never

> been overweight by more than about 10 pounds, and is

> actually exercising more now than she has for several years.

> She says that even with that and watching what she eats her

> weight is creeping up little by little.

>

> As always, I would appreciate any input that can be given

> on these limited results.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Marc...is your mom on thyroid meds (sorry if I missed her drug/dose)? If so, she

might use a small bump up in small increments..many feel best with TSH around 1

(or less, everyone different), so there is room to adjust a bit here in her

case...based on TSH / Free T3 (Free T4 may *report* low due if she is taking

dessicated thyroid )

however, another thing maybe to consider if she is > 50 y.o is s*x hormones:

Progesterone and testosterone levels drop incredibly after meno..E stays high

(not high per se more that is not matched by the balancing effects of good

Progesterone levels) in many...low T can be a factor in losing

muscle/tiredness/inability to get motivated etc in women..how is her sleep at

night?

....because I am way > 50 I know I can't eat any of the stuff I used to even 10

years ago <<LOL>> .. she will want to limit *white stuff*, gluten and most

simple carbs in general...and some do well with a 1-2 of servings of complex

carbs, but mostly green veggies/good fats/clean protein sources...what is she

eating in a typical day?

EL

>

> I had a thread about my mothers TSH rising to over 3, and was going to have

her ask the doc for further testing,.....can't find it now so here is a new one!

)

>

> As per usual, I told her exactly what tests to ask for, but the doc ordered

TSH, FT3/4 only. Funny thing is he didn't even tell her that he wasn't going to

order the other 3. Whatever,......this is what I finally picked up from her.

>

> TSH - 2.35 (range 0.40-4.50 mIU/L)

> T4 Free - 1.2 (range 0.8-1.8 ng/dL)

> T3 Free - 2.7 (range 2.3-4.2 pg/mL)

>

> For some reason her FT3 is in different units than mine was even though we

both use Quest. Mine was in pg/dL.

>

> I suspected the private lab that gave her the result over 3 on TSH was wrong,

and this is more in line with what she has been running the last couple of

years. Looks too high to me still from what little I know?

>

> I assume her FT4 is OK as it is exactly what mine was and Barb said that was

fine.

> Even with the different scale on FT3, it appears to me that she is low in

terms of being optimal just as I was.

>

> She is having some classic symptoms of hypo, as in unexplained weight gain,

and extreme fatigue. She has never been overweight by more than about 10 pounds,

and is actually exercising more now than she has for several years. She says

that even with that and watching what she eats her weight is creeping up little

by little.

>

> As always, I would appreciate any input that can be given on these limited

results.

>

[Guest guest]

My mother is not on any thyroid meds at this point.

Also as far as sex hormones go, she has no clue since she has never been tested.

She had a total hysterectomy many years ago, and did not take the 'horse'

hormones for long. God only knows what levels she has in that department at this

stage.

Her diet is pretty good,......although she does eat more carbs by far than I do.

She is 69 BTW.

>

> Marc...is your mom on thyroid meds (sorry if I missed her drug/dose)? If so,

she might use a small bump up in small increments..many feel best with TSH

around 1 (or less, everyone different), so there is room to adjust a bit here in

her case...based on TSH / Free T3 (Free T4 may *report* low due if she is taking

dessicated thyroid )

>

> however, another thing maybe to consider if she is > 50 y.o is s*x hormones:

Progesterone and testosterone levels drop incredibly after meno..E stays high

(not high per se more that is not matched by the balancing effects of good

Progesterone levels) in many...low T can be a factor in losing

muscle/tiredness/inability to get motivated etc in women..how is her sleep at

night?

>

> ...because I am way > 50 I know I can't eat any of the stuff I used to even 10

years ago <<LOL>> .. she will want to limit *white stuff*, gluten and most

simple carbs in general...and some do well with a 1-2 of servings of complex

carbs, but mostly green veggies/good fats/clean protein sources...what is she

eating in a typical day?

>

> EL

[Guest guest]

Good for her getting off the Pre-mare (insert horse whinney here)-in--it in no

way mimics what a woman's body would make if it could and it causes cancer..I

suspect she would feel tons better with a bit of bioidentical

estrogen/progesterone therapy...EL

> >

> > Marc...is your mom on thyroid meds (sorry if I missed her drug/dose)? If so,

she might use a small bump up in small increments..many feel best with TSH

around 1 (or less, everyone different), so there is room to adjust a bit here in

her case...based on TSH / Free T3 (Free T4 may *report* low due if she is taking

dessicated thyroid )

> >

> > however, another thing maybe to consider if she is > 50 y.o is s*x hormones:

Progesterone and testosterone levels drop incredibly after meno..E stays high

(not high per se more that is not matched by the balancing effects of good

Progesterone levels) in many...low T can be a factor in losing

muscle/tiredness/inability to get motivated etc in women..how is her sleep at

night?

> >

> > ...because I am way > 50 I know I can't eat any of the stuff I used to even

10 years ago <<LOL>> .. she will want to limit *white stuff*, gluten and most

simple carbs in general...and some do well with a 1-2 of servings of complex

carbs, but mostly green veggies/good fats/clean protein sources...what is she

eating in a typical day?

> >

> > EL

>

[Guest guest]

I agree,......actually I am waiting to finish all of my testing and see what

this last guy I went to does for me. My initial impression was very good as I

stated in another thread.

Being he is an OB/GYN, and 'functional medicine' I already thought of sending

her to him.

Still hoping that Barb pops in and gives her opinion also.

From what I have learned here and a few other articles,....I still think her TSH

is too high, and that her FT3 is far from optimal. I just wish these folks would

do the correct tests when you request them.

Now she will have to have the WHOLE panel I am having done again when she sees

the doc I am going to.

>

> Good for her getting off the Pre-mare (insert horse whinney here)-in--it in no

way mimics what a woman's body would make if it could and it causes cancer..I

suspect she would feel tons better with a bit of bioidentical

estrogen/progesterone therapy...EL

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Marc, I just got back from vacation last night, so haven't been around.

You're reading her labs correctly, healthy TSH is closer to 1, FT4 is fine at

1.2-1.4, but FT3 is low, and should be 60% of range or higher, so 3.4+, meaning

she's low.

Things that could help her conversion are selenium, Vit D, Vit B12, good

probiotics (in pills or yogurt), and reducing the carbs in her diet. Apparently

20% of T4 to T3 conversion is done in your gut, and if you eat a lot of

sugar/carbs, or have taken a lot of antibiotics in the past, that compromises

your gut health. People that are hypo from Hashi's would especially do well to

eliminate grains, especially wheat, barley, and rye.

Barb

>

> I had a thread about my mothers TSH rising to over 3, and was going to have

her ask the doc for further testing,.....can't find it now so here is a new one!

)

>

> As per usual, I told her exactly what tests to ask for, but the doc ordered

TSH, FT3/4 only. Funny thing is he didn't even tell her that he wasn't going to

order the other 3. Whatever,......this is what I finally picked up from her.

>

> TSH - 2.35 (range 0.40-4.50 mIU/L)

> T4 Free - 1.2 (range 0.8-1.8 ng/dL)

> T3 Free - 2.7 (range 2.3-4.2 pg/mL)

>

> For some reason her FT3 is in different units than mine was even though we

both use Quest. Mine was in pg/dL.

>

> I suspected the private lab that gave her the result over 3 on TSH was wrong,

and this is more in line with what she has been running the last couple of

years. Looks too high to me still from what little I know?

>

> I assume her FT4 is OK as it is exactly what mine was and Barb said that was

fine.

> Even with the different scale on FT3, it appears to me that she is low in

terms of being optimal just as I was.

>

> She is having some classic symptoms of hypo, as in unexplained weight gain,

and extreme fatigue. She has never been overweight by more than about 10 pounds,

and is actually exercising more now than she has for several years. She says

that even with that and watching what she eats her weight is creeping up little

by little.

>

> As always, I would appreciate any input that can be given on these limited

results.

>

[Guest guest]

Barb,.....thanks for responding, and hope you enjoyed your vacation.

This is a link to the vitamin/fish oil pack she takes.

http://www.fortifeye.com/index.php?main_page=product_info & products_id=4

We both go to the eye doctor that came up with them locally, now they are

selling all over the country. She takes a pack a day, which includes 2 pills,

and a fish oil capsule. She also takes another fish oil of the same brand for 2

per day.

Also eats yogurt with probiotics in them on a regular basis.

As I said before though,....she is more of a carb lover than I am by far. She

does not eat white bread though.

I guess I will try once again to tell her about the carbs, and maybe get her to

see that doc I am going to after I get my final impression of his treatment. I

just can't figure out why her TSH is so high.

While it appears I have a conversion issue with non-optimal FT3, my last TSH was

1.09 which is pretty good.

I am still working my way through the myriad of tests this last doc ordered!

>

> Hi Marc, I just got back from vacation last night, so haven't been around.

>

> You're reading her labs correctly, healthy TSH is closer to 1, FT4 is fine at

1.2-1.4, but FT3 is low, and should be 60% of range or higher, so 3.4+, meaning

she's low.

>

> Things that could help her conversion are selenium, Vit D, Vit B12, good

probiotics (in pills or yogurt), and reducing the carbs in her diet. Apparently

20% of T4 to T3 conversion is done in your gut, and if you eat a lot of

sugar/carbs, or have taken a lot of antibiotics in the past, that compromises

your gut health. People that are hypo from Hashi's would especially do well to

eliminate grains, especially wheat, barley, and rye.

>

> Barb