Re: Need advice on lowering E2

[Guest guest]

Progesterone cream will lower your estradiol. Some men like it and some men

don't like the way it makes them feel. It's worth a try.

Ask your doctor for a prescription for 6 mg/day progesterone cream which you

would take to a compounding pharmacist or you can buy it off the internet.

Apply the cream at night before you go to bed.

If 6 mg/day doesn't lower your estradiol enough and you are good with how it

makes you feel then you can increase the dosage. Generally, men don't use

more than 12-15 mg/day. Try to keep your progesterone level between

1,000-2,000 pg/ml.

I know some men who use both arimidex and progesterone because one or the

other isn't enough for them to keep their estradiol levels low.

BR

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Rouse

Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 8:06 AM

Subject: Need advice on lowering E2

Hey Group,

Well, I have a dilemma. I have very high E2 and I've tried Indoleplex/DIM

with no success (was on it for three months and it didn't even dent my E2

levels). I tried arimidex last October and I got some very bad side effects

from it (short term memory loss, irritability, insomnia). I gave the

arimidex another shot this week and I can already feel the side effects

creeping back in. Does anyone have any other suggestions? Can't do Zinc

because I'm adrenal fatigued and it messes with my cortisol levels. At this

point I may have to just not get on testosterone because I can't take

anything to block the E2 and I'm having bad E2 symptoms. Frustrating....

Thanks!

--

Mike

[Guest guest]

Mike,

Can you go to Dr. 's forum and read chilln's sticky " Hormones 101 " . Do read

this over a few times it's a bit hard to understand but I feel it works. I

don't take Arimidex anymore I switched to Aromasin and only need to take it

every 4 to 5 days at 12.5 mgs.

But it was doing the Preg. and Prog. cream that helped bring up my Cortisol

levels and stop the conversion of T to E2. I tested Preg. and Prog. before

trying this and both were very low at the bottom of the range. This worked so

dam good I was thinking my E2 levels were still to high and what it was is my E2

went to low. I found out that getting my Preg. and Prog. levels up I can still

have night time and morning wood with E2 levels at 7. Yes my last sets of labs

my E2 was at 7 and 8 and my Preg. levels went over the top of the range.

I test my morning fasting Cortisol levels after taking 10 mgs of HC in the

morning about 6am then do my labs at 9am my cortisol went up from 12 to 19 doing

this. My Dr. told me to stop the Preg. cream until my next set of labs in 8

weeks because I was so high. The Preg. and Prog. cream I use was to strong

Life-Flo.

Go to Dr. 's forum and read the sticky " Hormones 101 " you might not need

anything to lower your E2 and you much never need TRT.

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-All-Things-Male & s= & dayspr\

une=

Before I tired this I was doing a lot of Arimidex .5 to 1mgs/day to keep my E2

down.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...>

> Subject: Need advice on lowering E2

>

> Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 10:05 AM

> Hey Group,

>

> Well, I have a dilemma. I have very high E2 and I've tried

> Indoleplex/DIM

> with no success (was on it for three months and it didn't

> even dent my E2

> levels).  I tried arimidex last October and I got some

> very bad side effects

> from it (short term memory loss, irritability, insomnia). I

> gave the

> arimidex another shot this week and I can already feel the

> side effects

> creeping back in.  Does anyone have any other

> suggestions?  Can't do Zinc

> because I'm adrenal fatigued and it messes with my cortisol

> levels.  At this

> point I may have to just not get on testosterone because I

> can't take

> anything to block the E2 and I'm having bad E2

> symptoms.  Frustrating....

>

> Thanks!

>

> --

> Mike

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Beth,

It's funny I have been telling men never use Prog. because Dr. says it's a

feminizing hormone. Yet I was on Preg. cream 15 mgs and ran out. I wanted a

stronger dose and thought I got 20 mgs per pump from Life-Flo. I was using it 4

weeks feeling great on it thinking it was Preg. I posted at Dr. 's how good

I was on 20 mgs and one of the guys pointed out to me that Life-Flo dose not

sell Preg. cream in 20 mgs I must be using Prog.

My labs were very low for Prog. <.5 I felt great on this and my libido when over

the top. I am 67 need all the help I can get. When I did my next set of labs

my Preg. levels came back over the top of the range on the Prog. cream. My Dr.

has me on 400 mgs of CoQ10 3x's / day for Statin Drug damage to my joints and

muscle.

He told me to stop the Prog. and preg. cream don't do them until my next set of

labs. My Prog. test did not come back on my labs but my Preg. was over the top

of the range and this drove my E2 down to 8 way to low. He feels the supplement

CoQ10 back filled from the Prog. into Preg.

Doing this my Cortisol levels shot up to 19 and it stopped my Testosterone from

converting into E2.

Strange that this works like that chilln a mod at Dr. 's has a sticky about

" Hormones 101 " and talks about how this happens.

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-All-Things-Male

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Beth Rosenshein <beth@...>

> Subject: RE: Need advice on lowering E2

>

> Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 10:41 AM

> Progesterone cream will lower your

> estradiol. Some men like it and some men

> don't like the way it makes them feel. It's worth a try.

>

>

>

> Ask your doctor for a prescription for 6 mg/day

> progesterone cream which you

> would take to a compounding pharmacist or you can buy it

> off the internet.

> Apply the cream at night before you go to bed.

>

>

>

> If 6 mg/day doesn't lower your estradiol enough and you are

> good with how it

> makes you feel then you can increase the dosage. Generally,

> men don't use

> more than 12-15 mg/day. Try to keep your progesterone level

> between

> 1,000-2,000 pg/ml.

>

>

>

> I know some men who use both arimidex and progesterone

> because one or the

> other isn't enough for them to keep their estradiol levels

> low. 

>

>

>

> BR

>

>

>

> From:

> [mailto: ]

> On Behalf Of Rouse

> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 8:06 AM

>

> Subject: Need advice on lowering E2

>

>

>

>  

>

> Hey Group,

>

> Well, I have a dilemma. I have very high E2 and I've tried

> Indoleplex/DIM

> with no success (was on it for three months and it didn't

> even dent my E2

> levels). I tried arimidex last October and I got some very

> bad side effects

> from it (short term memory loss, irritability, insomnia). I

> gave the

> arimidex another shot this week and I can already feel the

> side effects

> creeping back in. Does anyone have any other suggestions?

> Can't do Zinc

> because I'm adrenal fatigued and it messes with my cortisol

> levels. At this

> point I may have to just not get on testosterone because I

> can't take

> anything to block the E2 and I'm having bad E2 symptoms.

> Frustrating....

>

> Thanks!

>

> --

> Mike

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Guys,

I was told by two very reputable hormone docs that progesterone is a

feminizing hormone. Are you sure it is ok to take progesterone?

Thanks,

Mike

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:36 AM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>wrote:

>

>

> Mike,

>

> Can you go to Dr. 's forum and read chilln's sticky " Hormones 101 " . Do

> read this over a few times it's a bit hard to understand but I feel it

> works. I don't take Arimidex anymore I switched to Aromasin and only need to

> take it every 4 to 5 days at 12.5 mgs.

>

> But it was doing the Preg. and Prog. cream that helped bring up my Cortisol

> levels and stop the conversion of T to E2. I tested Preg. and Prog. before

> trying this and both were very low at the bottom of the range. This worked

> so dam good I was thinking my E2 levels were still to high and what it was

> is my E2 went to low. I found out that getting my Preg. and Prog. levels up

> I can still have night time and morning wood with E2 levels at 7. Yes my

> last sets of labs my E2 was at 7 and 8 and my Preg. levels went over the top

> of the range.

>

> I test my morning fasting Cortisol levels after taking 10 mgs of HC in the

> morning about 6am then do my labs at 9am my cortisol went up from 12 to 19

> doing this. My Dr. told me to stop the Preg. cream until my next set of labs

> in 8 weeks because I was so high. The Preg. and Prog. cream I use was to

> strong Life-Flo.

>

> Go to Dr. 's forum and read the sticky " Hormones 101 " you might not

> need anything to lower your E2 and you much never need TRT.

>

>

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-All-Things-Male & s= & dayspr\

une=

>

> Before I tired this I was doing a lot of Arimidex .5 to 1mgs/day to keep my

> E2 down.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

>

> > From: Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...>

> > Subject: Need advice on lowering E2

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 10:05 AM

> > Hey Group,

> >

> > Well, I have a dilemma. I have very high E2 and I've tried

> > Indoleplex/DIM

> > with no success (was on it for three months and it didn't

> > even dent my E2

> > levels). I tried arimidex last October and I got some

> > very bad side effects

> > from it (short term memory loss, irritability, insomnia). I

> > gave the

> > arimidex another shot this week and I can already feel the

> > side effects

> > creeping back in. Does anyone have any other

> > suggestions? Can't do Zinc

> > because I'm adrenal fatigued and it messes with my cortisol

> > levels. At this

> > point I may have to just not get on testosterone because I

> > can't take

> > anything to block the E2 and I'm having bad E2

> > symptoms. Frustrating....

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> > --

> > Mike

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Also, I've tried progesterone in the past and aftera week it gave me a very

spacey feeling the next day.

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:36 AM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>wrote:

>

>

> Mike,

>

> Can you go to Dr. 's forum and read chilln's sticky " Hormones 101 " . Do

> read this over a few times it's a bit hard to understand but I feel it

> works. I don't take Arimidex anymore I switched to Aromasin and only need to

> take it every 4 to 5 days at 12.5 mgs.

>

> But it was doing the Preg. and Prog. cream that helped bring up my Cortisol

> levels and stop the conversion of T to E2. I tested Preg. and Prog. before

> trying this and both were very low at the bottom of the range. This worked

> so dam good I was thinking my E2 levels were still to high and what it was

> is my E2 went to low. I found out that getting my Preg. and Prog. levels up

> I can still have night time and morning wood with E2 levels at 7. Yes my

> last sets of labs my E2 was at 7 and 8 and my Preg. levels went over the top

> of the range.

>

> I test my morning fasting Cortisol levels after taking 10 mgs of HC in the

> morning about 6am then do my labs at 9am my cortisol went up from 12 to 19

> doing this. My Dr. told me to stop the Preg. cream until my next set of labs

> in 8 weeks because I was so high. The Preg. and Prog. cream I use was to

> strong Life-Flo.

>

> Go to Dr. 's forum and read the sticky " Hormones 101 " you might not

> need anything to lower your E2 and you much never need TRT.

>

>

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-All-Things-Male & s= & dayspr\

une=

>

> Before I tired this I was doing a lot of Arimidex .5 to 1mgs/day to keep my

> E2 down.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

>

> > From: Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...>

> > Subject: Need advice on lowering E2

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 10:05 AM

> > Hey Group,

> >

> > Well, I have a dilemma. I have very high E2 and I've tried

> > Indoleplex/DIM

> > with no success (was on it for three months and it didn't

> > even dent my E2

> > levels). I tried arimidex last October and I got some

> > very bad side effects

> > from it (short term memory loss, irritability, insomnia). I

> > gave the

> > arimidex another shot this week and I can already feel the

> > side effects

> > creeping back in. Does anyone have any other

> > suggestions? Can't do Zinc

> > because I'm adrenal fatigued and it messes with my cortisol

> > levels. At this

> > point I may have to just not get on testosterone because I

> > can't take

> > anything to block the E2 and I'm having bad E2

> > symptoms. Frustrating....

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> > --

> > Mike

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Better Question:

I'm on 6 mg of Medrol b/c my doc, who has been working with me for several

months to get my T3 up in the physiologic range, wanted to try the shotgun

approach to get my T3 up. Can I still take Prog, Preg, DHEA, and Test being

on 6 mg of Medrol and get the needed effects?

Thanks,

Mike

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...

> wrote:

> Also, I've tried progesterone in the past and aftera week it gave me a very

> spacey feeling the next day.

>

> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:36 AM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> Mike,

>>

>> Can you go to Dr. 's forum and read chilln's sticky " Hormones 101 " . Do

>> read this over a few times it's a bit hard to understand but I feel it

>> works. I don't take Arimidex anymore I switched to Aromasin and only need to

>> take it every 4 to 5 days at 12.5 mgs.

>>

>> But it was doing the Preg. and Prog. cream that helped bring up my

>> Cortisol levels and stop the conversion of T to E2. I tested Preg. and Prog.

>> before trying this and both were very low at the bottom of the range. This

>> worked so dam good I was thinking my E2 levels were still to high and what

>> it was is my E2 went to low. I found out that getting my Preg. and Prog.

>> levels up I can still have night time and morning wood with E2 levels at 7.

>> Yes my last sets of labs my E2 was at 7 and 8 and my Preg. levels went over

>> the top of the range.

>>

>> I test my morning fasting Cortisol levels after taking 10 mgs of HC in the

>> morning about 6am then do my labs at 9am my cortisol went up from 12 to 19

>> doing this. My Dr. told me to stop the Preg. cream until my next set of labs

>> in 8 weeks because I was so high. The Preg. and Prog. cream I use was to

>> strong Life-Flo.

>>

>> Go to Dr. 's forum and read the sticky " Hormones 101 " you might not

>> need anything to lower your E2 and you much never need TRT.

>>

>>

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-All-Things-Male & s= & dayspr\

une=

>>

>> Before I tired this I was doing a lot of Arimidex .5 to 1mgs/day to keep

>> my E2 down.

>> Co-Moderator

>> Phil

>>

>>

>>

>> > From: Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...>

>> > Subject: Need advice on lowering E2

>> >

>> > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 10:05 AM

>> > Hey Group,

>> >

>> > Well, I have a dilemma. I have very high E2 and I've tried

>> > Indoleplex/DIM

>> > with no success (was on it for three months and it didn't

>> > even dent my E2

>> > levels). I tried arimidex last October and I got some

>> > very bad side effects

>> > from it (short term memory loss, irritability, insomnia). I

>> > gave the

>> > arimidex another shot this week and I can already feel the

>> > side effects

>> > creeping back in. Does anyone have any other

>> > suggestions? Can't do Zinc

>> > because I'm adrenal fatigued and it messes with my cortisol

>> > levels. At this

>> > point I may have to just not get on testosterone because I

>> > can't take

>> > anything to block the E2 and I'm having bad E2

>> > symptoms. Frustrating....

>> >

>> > Thanks!

>> >

>> > --

>> > Mike

>> >

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

, DIM didn't used to work for me. It actually messed me up more

sometimes and induced high estrogen symptoms. Apparently you have to

methylate the estrogen metabolites that DIM promotes to actually give your

body a decreased estrogenic load. I've found DMG to work very well to do

this, although I do best with many DMG capsules a day. Some do fine with

TMG, which has the added function of lowering homocysteine as it converts to

DMG. But I can't take it as my homocysteine is already low. Now DIM does

work for me. I still need some Arimidex, but much less and can easily go too

low on it now.

Maybe progesterone feminises if it lowers DHT. I didn't find progesterone to

drive up estradiol and think it actually converted to some testosterone.

Other than that, the cream was just plain weird and it messed up my

electrolytes, could give me a headache and made me feel strange and like my

bones hurt deep inside of them. It opened up my nasal passageways, oddly!

-Nigel

On 15 February 2011 17:35, Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...>wrote:

> Hi Guys,

>

> I was told by two very reputable hormone docs that progesterone is a

> feminizing hormone. Are you sure it is ok to take progesterone?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Mike

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil

Are you saying you use both preg and prog cream together? If so, how do you

apply these? Both at the same time? They indicate both are applied to the same

areas? Last question is, can these creams alone be used to reduce a high E2?

Thanks in advance for your time.

Ade

Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

Need advice on lowering E2

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 10:05 AM

> > Hey Group,

> >

> > Well, I have a dilemma. I have very high E2 and I've tried

> > Indoleplex/DIM

> > with no success (was on it for three months and it didn't

> > even dent my E2

> > levels). I tried arimidex last October and I got some

> > very bad side effects

> > from it (short term memory loss, irritability, insomnia). I

> > gave the

> > arimidex another shot this week and I can already feel the

> > side effects

> > creeping back in. Does anyone have any other

> > suggestions? Can't do Zinc

> > because I'm adrenal fatigued and it messes with my cortisol

> > levels. At this

> > point I may have to just not get on testosterone because I

> > can't take

> > anything to block the E2 and I'm having bad E2

> > symptoms. Frustrating....

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> > --

> > Mike

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

If you read at Dr. 's chilln's Hormones 101 in this he tells you what labs

you need and how to go about this. I tested very low for both Preg. and Prog.

I started on Preg. cream 15 mgs / pump from Life-Flo tested after 4 weeks my

labs for Preg. went up to 117 but my Prog. never moved up from <.5.

I went on Prog. cream 20 mgs / pump and this is too strong for men. I felt

great my E2 went down my Cortisol levels went up and my Preg. went over the top

of the range.

My E2 was to low 8 pg/ml so I am off Preg. and Prog. cream until I see my next

set of labs.

You need to run labs if your Prog. is low try it.

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/showthread.php?15290-Hormones-101

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > > From: Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...>

> > > Subject: Need advice on lowering

> E2

> > >

> > > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 10:05 AM

> > > Hey Group,

> > >

> > > Well, I have a dilemma. I have very high E2 and

> I've tried

> > > Indoleplex/DIM

> > > with no success (was on it for three months and

> it didn't

> > > even dent my E2

> > > levels).  I tried arimidex last October and

> I got some

> > > very bad side effects

> > > from it (short term memory loss, irritability,

> insomnia). I

> > > gave the

> > > arimidex another shot this week and I can already

> feel the

> > > side effects

> > > creeping back in.  Does anyone have any

> other

> > > suggestions?  Can't do Zinc

> > > because I'm adrenal fatigued and it messes with

> my cortisol

> > > levels.  At this

> > > point I may have to just not get on testosterone

> because I

> > > can't take

> > > anything to block the E2 and I'm having bad E2

> > > symptoms.  Frustrating....

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > >

> > > --

> > > Mike

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Was it a cream and did you use it at bedtime this is the best time to use it.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > > From: Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...>

> > > Subject: Need advice on lowering

> E2

> > >

> > > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 10:05 AM

> > > Hey Group,

> > >

> > > Well, I have a dilemma. I have very high E2 and

> I've tried

> > > Indoleplex/DIM

> > > with no success (was on it for three months and

> it didn't

> > > even dent my E2

> > > levels).  I tried arimidex last October and

> I got some

> > > very bad side effects

> > > from it (short term memory loss, irritability,

> insomnia). I

> > > gave the

> > > arimidex another shot this week and I can already

> feel the

> > > side effects

> > > creeping back in.  Does anyone have any

> other

> > > suggestions?  Can't do Zinc

> > > because I'm adrenal fatigued and it messes with

> my cortisol

> > > levels.  At this

> > > point I may have to just not get on testosterone

> because I

> > > can't take

> > > anything to block the E2 and I'm having bad E2

> > > symptoms.  Frustrating....

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > >

> > > --

> > > Mike

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Not a problem 6 mgs of Medrol is = to 30 mgs or Cortef or HC. I am on 30 mgs

here is a link to a FAQ's I help do about Adrenals with a cut and paste about

Medrol. I think what your Dr. is trying to do is get your Thyroid hormones out

of your blood into your cells. I you are low on Cortisol you body can't carry

the Thyroid hormones out of your blood into your cells. And over time you labs

look good but all the T4 and T3 is in your blood and with good Cortisol levels

you body will carry the Thyroid out of your blood into your cells. If your labs

are low for T4 and T3 this will not help you need thyroid meds.

Doing chilln's Hormones 101 prople are coming off HC and Medrol meds and doing

fine some not do fine.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/faq/

===================================================

46) The HC doesn’t seem to last long enough – what is Medrol? Dr Peatfield

says that HC is “not stored by the body and gets rapidly used; 2 or 3 hours

will see it pretty well used up completely.†Some people metabolize HC faster

than others. If a person has symptoms of low cortisol despite gradually working

up to about 30mg of HC, they may want to talk with their doctor about trying

Medrol. Depending on the persons metabolism, the 1/2 life of Medrol can range

from 18 to 36 hours.

47) How do I dose Medrol? Conversion tables will tell you that 1mg of Medrol =

5mg of HC. Persons who are already on HC can gradually switch over to Medrol,

and typically end up with about 6mg of Medrol spread out through the day. It

does not need to be taken every 4 hours like you would with HC, but a typical

dosing schedule might be 3 mg at wake, 2mg in the afternoon, and 1mg at bedtime.

Further discussion about Medrol can be seen here

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=9933

and here http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=9783

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >>

> >> > From: Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...>

> >> > Subject: Need advice on

> lowering E2

> >> >

> >> > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 10:05 AM

> >> > Hey Group,

> >> >

> >> > Well, I have a dilemma. I have very high E2

> and I've tried

> >> > Indoleplex/DIM

> >> > with no success (was on it for three months

> and it didn't

> >> > even dent my E2

> >> > levels).  I tried arimidex last October

> and I got some

> >> > very bad side effects

> >> > from it (short term memory loss,

> irritability, insomnia). I

> >> > gave the

> >> > arimidex another shot this week and I can

> already feel the

> >> > side effects

> >> > creeping back in.  Does anyone have any

> other

> >> > suggestions?  Can't do Zinc

> >> > because I'm adrenal fatigued and it messes

> with my cortisol

> >> > levels.  At this

> >> > point I may have to just not get on

> testosterone because I

> >> > can't take

> >> > anything to block the E2 and I'm having bad

> E2

> >> > symptoms.  Frustrating....

> >> >

> >> > Thanks!

> >> >

> >> > --

> >> > Mike

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > ------------------------------------

> >> >

> >> >

[Guest guest]

Once again, Thanks Phil!

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 7:27 AM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>wrote:

>

>

> Not a problem 6 mgs of Medrol is = to 30 mgs or Cortef or HC. I am on 30

> mgs here is a link to a FAQ's I help do about Adrenals with a cut and paste

> about Medrol. I think what your Dr. is trying to do is get your Thyroid

> hormones out of your blood into your cells. I you are low on Cortisol you

> body can't carry the Thyroid hormones out of your blood into your cells. And

> over time you labs look good but all the T4 and T3 is in your blood and with

> good Cortisol levels you body will carry the Thyroid out of your blood into

> your cells. If your labs are low for T4 and T3 this will not help you need

> thyroid meds.

>

> Doing chilln's Hormones 101 prople are coming off HC and Medrol meds and

> doing fine some not do fine.

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/faq/

> ===================================================

> 46) The HC doesn’t seem to last long enough – what is Medrol? Dr Peatfield

> says that HC is “not stored by the body and gets rapidly used; 2 or 3 hours

> will see it pretty well used up completely.” Some people metabolize HC

> faster than others. If a person has symptoms of low cortisol despite

> gradually working up to about 30mg of HC, they may want to talk with their

> doctor about trying Medrol. Depending on the persons metabolism, the 1/2

> life of Medrol can range from 18 to 36 hours.

>

> 47) How do I dose Medrol? Conversion tables will tell you that 1mg of

> Medrol = 5mg of HC. Persons who are already on HC can gradually switch over

> to Medrol, and typically end up with about 6mg of Medrol spread out through

> the day. It does not need to be taken every 4 hours like you would with HC,

> but a typical dosing schedule might be 3 mg at wake, 2mg in the afternoon,

> and 1mg at bedtime. Further discussion about Medrol can be seen here

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=9933

> and here

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=9783

>

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

> > >>

> > >> > From: Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...>

> > >> > Subject: Need advice on

> > lowering E2

> > >> >

> > >> > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 10:05 AM

> > >> > Hey Group,

> > >> >

> > >> > Well, I have a dilemma. I have very high E2

> > and I've tried

> > >> > Indoleplex/DIM

> > >> > with no success (was on it for three months

> > and it didn't

> > >> > even dent my E2

> > >> > levels). I tried arimidex last October

> > and I got some

> > >> > very bad side effects

> > >> > from it (short term memory loss,

> > irritability, insomnia). I

> > >> > gave the

> > >> > arimidex another shot this week and I can

> > already feel the

> > >> > side effects

> > >> > creeping back in. Does anyone have any

> > other

> > >> > suggestions? Can't do Zinc

> > >> > because I'm adrenal fatigued and it messes

> > with my cortisol

> > >> > levels. At this

> > >> > point I may have to just not get on

> > testosterone because I

> > >> > can't take

> > >> > anything to block the E2 and I'm having bad

> > E2

> > >> > symptoms. Frustrating....

> > >> >

> > >> > Thanks!

> > >> >

> > >> > --

> > >> > Mike

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > ------------------------------------

> > >> >

> > >> >

[Guest guest]

I use arimidex, DIM, & compounded 20mg/g progesterone cream daily to keep my E2

below 30 & over 15.

>

> Progesterone cream will lower your estradiol. Some men like it and some men

> don't like the way it makes them feel. It's worth a try.

>

>

>

> Ask your doctor for a prescription for 6 mg/day progesterone cream which you

> would take to a compounding pharmacist or you can buy it off the internet.

> Apply the cream at night before you go to bed.

>

>

>

> If 6 mg/day doesn't lower your estradiol enough and you are good with how it

> makes you feel then you can increase the dosage. Generally, men don't use

> more than 12-15 mg/day. Try to keep your progesterone level between

> 1,000-2,000 pg/ml.

>

>

>

> I know some men who use both arimidex and progesterone because one or the

> other isn't enough for them to keep their estradiol levels low.

>

>

>

> BR

>

>

>

> From: [mailto: ]

> On Behalf Of Rouse

> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 8:06 AM

>

> Subject: Need advice on lowering E2

>

>

>

>

>

> Hey Group,

>

> Well, I have a dilemma. I have very high E2 and I've tried Indoleplex/DIM

> with no success (was on it for three months and it didn't even dent my E2

> levels). I tried arimidex last October and I got some very bad side effects

> from it (short term memory loss, irritability, insomnia). I gave the

> arimidex another shot this week and I can already feel the side effects

> creeping back in. Does anyone have any other suggestions? Can't do Zinc

> because I'm adrenal fatigued and it messes with my cortisol levels. At this

> point I may have to just not get on testosterone because I can't take

> anything to block the E2 and I'm having bad E2 symptoms. Frustrating....

>

> Thanks!

>

> --

> Mike

>

>

[Guest guest]

No you don't use both at the same time I tested low for both so I tried Preg.

first my levels for Preg. came up but my levels for Prog. did not come up at

all. I went on prog. by accident long story but it helped me big time. My

Cortisol levels came up slowing down the conversion of T to E2 to the point I

went to low.

You do need to got to Dr. 's forum and read chilln's " Hormones 101 " and do

labs first. If you are not very low on Prog. don't use it.

Right now I am off both because my E2 went to low and my Preg. levels went to

high my labs for Prog. did not come back Quest did not test them. But at the

time I was doing Prog. when my levels for Preg. came back high so we are taking

a break until my next set of labs come in. You need to read this it's a work in

progress.

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/showthread.php?15290-Hormones-101

===================================================

Hormones 101

The complete list of Hormones info is available on the AllThingsMale CMS

(content management system).

The Hormones main page is here:

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/...hp?11-hormones

From there you can navigate to the following pages:

Hormone Modulation Therapy 101

(great overview which explains how to optimize the following hormones, in the

simplest way)

Cortisol Boost 101

Cortisol Reduction 101

Testosterone Boost 101

Thyroid Boost 101

Baldness and Prostate 101

Insulin Sensitivity Boost 101

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > > From: Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...>

> > > Subject: Need advice on lowering

> E2

> > >

> > > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 10:05 AM

> > > Hey Group,

> > >

> > > Well, I have a dilemma. I have very high E2 and

> I've tried

> > > Indoleplex/DIM

> > > with no success (was on it for three months and

> it didn't

> > > even dent my E2

> > > levels).  I tried arimidex last October and

> I got some

> > > very bad side effects

> > > from it (short term memory loss, irritability,

> insomnia). I

> > > gave the

> > > arimidex another shot this week and I can already

> feel the

> > > side effects

> > > creeping back in.  Does anyone have any

> other

> > > suggestions?  Can't do Zinc

> > > because I'm adrenal fatigued and it messes with

> my cortisol

> > > levels.  At this

> > > point I may have to just not get on testosterone

> because I

> > > can't take

> > > anything to block the E2 and I'm having bad E2

> > > symptoms.  Frustrating....

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > >

> > > --

> > > Mike

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Have you tested your Prog. levels I liked how using the cream at night helped me

sleep like a baby and the way it drove up my libido. But I have to stop using

it my Preg. went to high and my E2 went to low.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: gin2c <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Need advice on lowering E2

>

> Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2011, 10:15 AM

>

> I use arimidex, DIM, & compounded 20mg/g progesterone

> cream daily to keep my E2 below 30 & over 15.

>

>

>

> >

> > Progesterone cream will lower your estradiol. Some men

> like it and some men

> > don't like the way it makes them feel. It's worth a

> try.

> >

> > 

> >

> > Ask your doctor for a prescription for 6 mg/day

> progesterone cream which you

> > would take to a compounding pharmacist or you can buy

> it off the internet.

> > Apply the cream at night before you go to bed.

> >

> > 

> >

> > If 6 mg/day doesn't lower your estradiol enough and

> you are good with how it

> > makes you feel then you can increase the dosage.

> Generally, men don't use

> > more than 12-15 mg/day. Try to keep your progesterone

> level between

> > 1,000-2,000 pg/ml.

> >

> > 

> >

> > I know some men who use both arimidex and progesterone

> because one or the

> > other isn't enough for them to keep their estradiol

> levels low. 

> >

> > 

> >

> > BR

> >

> > 

> >

> > From:

> [mailto: ]

> > On Behalf Of Rouse

> > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 8:06 AM

> >

> > Subject: Need advice on lowering E2

> >

> > 

> >

> >   

> >

> > Hey Group,

> >

> > Well, I have a dilemma. I have very high E2 and I've

> tried Indoleplex/DIM

> > with no success (was on it for three months and it

> didn't even dent my E2

> > levels). I tried arimidex last October and I got some

> very bad side effects

> > from it (short term memory loss, irritability,

> insomnia). I gave the

> > arimidex another shot this week and I can already feel

> the side effects

> > creeping back in. Does anyone have any other

> suggestions? Can't do Zinc

> > because I'm adrenal fatigued and it messes with my

> cortisol levels. At this

> > point I may have to just not get on testosterone

> because I can't take

> > anything to block the E2 and I'm having bad E2

> symptoms. Frustrating....

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> > --

> > Mike

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

How much arimidex are you using? Did you notice you felt differently when

you started on the progesterone?

BR

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of gin2c

Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 8:15 AM

Subject: Re: Need advice on lowering E2

I use arimidex, DIM, & compounded 20mg/g progesterone cream daily to keep my

E2 below 30 & over 15.

>

> Progesterone cream will lower your estradiol. Some men like it and some

men

> don't like the way it makes them feel. It's worth a try.

>

>

>

> Ask your doctor for a prescription for 6 mg/day progesterone cream which

you

> would take to a compounding pharmacist or you can buy it off the internet.

> Apply the cream at night before you go to bed.

>

>

>

> If 6 mg/day doesn't lower your estradiol enough and you are good with how

it

> makes you feel then you can increase the dosage. Generally, men don't use

> more than 12-15 mg/day. Try to keep your progesterone level between

> 1,000-2,000 pg/ml.

>

>

>

> I know some men who use both arimidex and progesterone because one or the

> other isn't enough for them to keep their estradiol levels low.

>

>

>

> BR

>

>

>

> From:

<mailto: %40>

[mailto:

<mailto: %40> ]

> On Behalf Of Rouse

> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 8:06 AM

> <mailto: %40>

> Subject: Need advice on lowering E2

>

>

>

>

>

> Hey Group,

>

> Well, I have a dilemma. I have very high E2 and I've tried Indoleplex/DIM

> with no success (was on it for three months and it didn't even dent my E2

> levels). I tried arimidex last October and I got some very bad side

effects

> from it (short term memory loss, irritability, insomnia). I gave the

> arimidex another shot this week and I can already feel the side effects

> creeping back in. Does anyone have any other suggestions? Can't do Zinc

> because I'm adrenal fatigued and it messes with my cortisol levels. At

this

> point I may have to just not get on testosterone because I can't take

> anything to block the E2 and I'm having bad E2 symptoms. Frustrating....

>

> Thanks!

>

> --

> Mike

>

>