Guest guest Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 , There is a connection with low DHT/DHEA with our minds, but until science does studies we have to rely on ourselves to understand. Could you describe what you are experiencing? Also, I am not sure how to increase DHT. Maybe Phil could shed some light on that? (Check your D3 levels everyone - That also screws with us) > > > Gentlemen, > > How can I bring my DHT and DHEA levels up. I currently use T injections biweekly, HCG and arimidex. I was able to get DHT for a while in US but haven't in about a year. > > My labs have me just out of entry level range on both DHT and DHEA over the past few months and I am starting to notice a different 'mindset' and some fatigue. > > Has anyone experienced or know if there is a connection to our mind with low DHT/DHEA?? > > I would appreciate your feedback greatly!! > > Thx, > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 , To my recollection, Phil mentioned his use of supplemental DHEA increased his DHT, estradiol, and DHEA accordingly. In light of supplemental DHEA increasing estradiol, it would seem worth watching and correcting with something like Arimidex or Letrozole should E2 get too high. That's something I'm looking into, as I have very low DHT as well. Some here would say not to touch supplemental DHEA unless blood levels reveal you're low, which it sounds like in your case. ~Xian > > > Gentlemen, > > How can I bring my DHT and DHEA levels up. I currently use T injections biweekly, HCG and arimidex. I was able to get DHT for a while in US but haven't in about a year. > > My labs have me just out of entry level range on both DHT and DHEA over the past few months and I am starting to notice a different 'mindset' and some fatigue. > > Has anyone experienced or know if there is a connection to our mind with low DHT/DHEA?? > > I would appreciate your feedback greatly!! > > Thx, > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 First thing doing shots every 2 weeks is dam old it's a roller coaster ride up after the shot only to fall to low by the next one. This in it's self makes it dam hard to feel better. Men on Androgel or Testism have high levels of DHT as for DHEA if your in range don't take it I don't know any people that add DHEA supplements and felt better. If you don't need it it can make your Estraidol levels go very high. I would try doing shots every week starting with 100 mgs per shot do this and retest in 8 weeks see how it looks. If you don't do your own shots at home this is might be why your Dr. has you come in every 2 weeks. Have him show you how to do your own shots. In the AACE Guidelines on page 11 it states to do shots every 7 to 10 days. http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf You need to get your Total and Free even bio. T levels up into the upper 1/3 of your labs range and to keep your Estradiol levels down to about 20 pg/ml to feel best doing this then going by how you feel you might need to do more then 100 mgs /wk. But the bottom line here is as you do this your body starts to undo any probelms from having low T and you start to feel better a little everyday. It's a slow process. http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=450553 I do my own shots every 3 days using a 27g 1ml. x 1/2 " lg. needle doing this keeps me more leveled and holds down my Estradiol levels. Co-Moderator Phil > From: <alexanderjones49@...> > Subject: How to increase DHT > > Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 11:48 AM > > Gentlemen, > > How can I bring my DHT and DHEA levels up. I > currently use T injections biweekly, HCG and arimidex. I > was able to get DHT for a while in US but haven't in about a > year. > > My labs have me just out of entry level range on both DHT > and DHEA over the past few months and I am starting to > notice a different 'mindset' and some fatigue. > > Has anyone experienced or know if there is a connection to > our mind with low DHT/DHEA?? > > I would appreciate your feedback greatly!! > > Thx, > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Thx. I have used supplements in the past for dhea and got to 431 but it did not help DHT Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Re: How to increase DHT , To my recollection, Phil mentioned his use of supplemental DHEA increased his DHT, estradiol, and DHEA accordingly. In light of supplemental DHEA increasing estradiol, it would seem worth watching and correcting with something like Arimidex or Letrozole should E2 get too high. That's something I'm looking into, as I have very low DHT as well. Some here would say not to touch supplemental DHEA unless blood levels reveal you're low, which it sounds like in your case. ~Xian > > > Gentlemen, > > How can I bring my DHT and DHEA levels up. I currently use T injections biweekly, HCG and arimidex. I was able to get DHT for a while in US but haven't in about a year. > > My labs have me just out of entry level range on both DHT and DHEA over the past few months and I am starting to notice a different 'mindset' and some fatigue. > > Has anyone experienced or know if there is a connection to our mind with low DHT/DHEA?? > > I would appreciate your feedback greatly!! > > Thx, > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 I meant 2 times weekly Thx Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry How to increase DHT > > Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 11:48 AM > > Gentlemen, > > How can I bring my DHT and DHEA levels up. I > currently use T injections biweekly, HCG and arimidex. I > was able to get DHT for a while in US but haven't in about a > year. > > My labs have me just out of entry level range on both DHT > and DHEA over the past few months and I am starting to > notice a different 'mindset' and some fatigue. > > Has anyone experienced or know if there is a connection to > our mind with low DHT/DHEA?? > > I would appreciate your feedback greatly!! > > Thx, > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 PMgamer wrote: " I do my own shots every 3 days using a 27g 1ml. x 1/2 " lg. needle doing this keeps me more leveled and holds down my Estradiol levels. Co-Moderator Phil " how do you get your T shots to load into a 27g needle? I assumed Tcyp was too thick to allow such a small gauge. > > > From: <alexanderjones49@...> > > Subject: How to increase DHT > > > > Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 11:48 AM > > > > Gentlemen, > > > > How can I bring my DHT and DHEA levels up. I > > currently use T injections biweekly, HCG and arimidex. I > > was able to get DHT for a while in US but haven't in about a > > year. > > > > My labs have me just out of entry level range on both DHT > > and DHEA over the past few months and I am starting to > > notice a different 'mindset' and some fatigue. > > > > Has anyone experienced or know if there is a connection to > > our mind with low DHT/DHEA?? > > > > I would appreciate your feedback greatly!! > > > > Thx, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 OK I pull the dose I need of air into the needle then push the air into the vial. I then pull the plunger all the way down and just hold it take me about a min. or 2 to get more then my dose I then push the extra oil and air back into the vial until I have my dose left in the needle. It comes out slow but comes out so. I then do the shot into my thigh it comes out slow and this is good you don't want to shoot oil fast. Co-Moderator Phil " I do my own shots > every 3 days using a 27g 1ml. x 1/2 " lg. needle doing this > keeps me more leveled and holds down my Estradiol levels. > Co-Moderator > Phil " > > how do you get your T shots to load into a 27g > needle? I assumed Tcyp was too thick to allow such a > small gauge. > > > > > > > From: > <alexanderjones49@...> > > > Subject: How to increase DHT > > > > > > Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 11:48 AM > > > > > > Gentlemen, > > > > > > How can I bring my DHT and DHEA levels up. > I > > > currently use T injections biweekly, HCG and > arimidex. I > > > was able to get DHT for a while in US but haven't > in about a > > > year. > > > > > > My labs have me just out of entry level range > on both DHT > > > and DHEA over the past few months and I am > starting to > > > notice a different 'mindset' and some > fatigue. > > > > > > Has anyone experienced or know if there is a > connection to > > > our mind with low DHT/DHEA?? > > > > > > I would appreciate your feedback greatly!! > > > > > > Thx, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 -Just did my first self injection of Testosterone Cypionate today. Thanks for these directions. I wish I'd read them prior to this mornings injection. It took me several times trying to get the proper dose into the syringe before I finally succeeded. I thought there had to be an easier way. So far, the injection went well. I had a little occasional stinging at the site for about a hour afterwards and otherwise no soreness. The injection itself didn't hurt either. I am in the second week of a three week injection from the doctor. Obviously, I injected a week early. The last two times I had the three week dose, it was pretty obvious by the way I felt that there was nothing left for that final week. I supplemented by adding Androgel during the last week. I'm hoping by injecting 100 mg each week, this will even everything out. We'll see. My last Labs on January 22, 2010 didn't include testosterone free and clear levels unfortunately. Test was 356 and PSA 3.2. I suspect I am not getting enough testosterone cypionate yet since the over all test numbers are still very low. Anyone had any experience with talking their doctor into letting them increase the dose? I don't really pass the " wood " test, although I do get a little (half) hard since starting this treatment. Something is better than nothing, I guess. > > > > > > > From: > > <alexanderjones49@> > > > > Subject: How to increase DHT > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 11:48 AM > > > > > > > > Gentlemen, > > > > > > > > How can I bring my DHT and DHEA levels up. > > I > > > > currently use T injections biweekly, HCG and > > arimidex. I > > > > was able to get DHT for a while in US but haven't > > in about a > > > > year. > > > > > > > > My labs have me just out of entry level range > > on both DHT > > > > and DHEA over the past few months and I am > > starting to > > > > notice a different 'mindset' and some > > fatigue. > > > > > > > > Has anyone experienced or know if there is a > > connection to > > > > our mind with low DHT/DHEA?? > > > > > > > > I would appreciate your feedback greatly!! > > > > > > > > Thx, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 The wood part is more about high Estradiol levels then Testostreone levels. You need to keep your Estradiol levels at about 20 pg/ml the see how your feel on your T dose. High Estradiol takes away anygood the T does. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Primemuscle <Primemuscle@...> > Subject: Re: How to increase DHT > > Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 4:56 PM > -Just did my first self injection of > Testosterone Cypionate today. Thanks for these directions. I > wish I'd read them prior to this mornings injection. It took > me several times trying to get the proper dose into the > syringe before I finally succeeded. I thought there had to > be an easier way. > > So far, the injection went well. I had a little occasional > stinging at the site for about a hour afterwards and > otherwise no soreness. The injection itself didn't hurt > either. > > I am in the second week of a three week injection from the > doctor. Obviously, I injected a week early. The last two > times I had the three week dose, it was pretty obvious by > the way I felt that there was nothing left for that final > week. I supplemented by adding Androgel during the last > week. I'm hoping by injecting 100 mg each week, this will > even everything out. We'll see. > > My last Labs on January 22, 2010 didn't include > testosterone free and clear levels unfortunately. Test was > 356 and PSA 3.2. I suspect I am not getting enough > testosterone cypionate yet since the over all test numbers > are still very low. > > Anyone had any experience with talking their doctor into > letting them increase the dose? I don't really pass the > " wood " test, although I do get a little (half) hard since > starting this treatment. Something is better than nothing, I > guess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > > <alexanderjones49@> > > > > > Subject: How to increase > DHT > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, > 11:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > Gentlemen, > > > > > > > > > > How can I bring my DHT and DHEA > levels up. > > > I > > > > > currently use T injections biweekly, > HCG and > > > arimidex. I > > > > > was able to get DHT for a while in US > but haven't > > > in about a > > > > > year. > > > > > > > > > > My labs have me just out of entry > level range > > > on both DHT > > > > > and DHEA over the past few months and I > am > > > starting to > > > > > notice a different 'mindset' and some > > > fatigue. > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone experienced or know if there > is a > > > connection to > > > > > our mind with low DHT/DHEA?? > > > > > > > > > > I would appreciate your feedback > greatly!! > > > > > > > > > > Thx, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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