Re: Sorry,.......but another thyroid based question.

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" marc200134470 " <cfs38@...> wrote:

>many of my physical symptoms are the opposite of what would be expected for

hypothyroidism. High blood pressure, elevated heart rate, weight loss not gain.

Also my body temps appear to be totally normal from the 97.8 to 98.2 range upon

awakening to 98.6 or even higher later in the day. Sometimes my temp will be in

the 99.2 range in the afternoon.

I think we discussed this before? When thyroid goes low, cortisol also goes

low, and adrenaline kicks in to compensate for the lack of energy. This will

cause high BP, heart rate, and the low cortisol can cause weight loss and

hypoglycemia. If you think of being scared to death, the adrenaline will kick

in and you can get hot and sweaty too.

> I also occasionally get a slight shaky feeling in my hands.

This is a hyperthyroid symptom, but both your FT3 and FT4 are not high enough to

attribute to this. The worst case FT3 I've read was someone who tested around

2500, with top-of-range 420. Yours was only in the 200s, if I remember

correctly? Does this happen maybe when it's been hours from your last meal?

Hypoglycemia will make you shaky.

> On the other hand, my skin is dry and thinning mainly on my hands, and my

hands/feet go from hot to cold at different times of the day. My fingers are

literally ice cold right now as I type. This is something that was totally

foreign to me a year ago.

Cold hands and feet are a VERY common hypothyroid symptom, as is dry skin. Most

women have cold hands and feet. It's been freezing here lately, which isn't

common, and your thyroid is supposed to kick in and make more to keep you warm.

So if it can't, your hypo symptoms will increase.

> I guess what I am asking is can you be hypo, but have symptoms of being hyper

largely, and does this relate to what my doc said about my adrenals

compensating?

Your doc and I are in agreement and saying the same thing, but I think you're

reading posts from others who don't understand the whole physiology, and you're

second guessing us.

> I apologize for continuing to ask these questions, but I will admit I am a

little nervous about starting this T3 med I just picked up. I have not taken any

yet, as I am worried it will make my symptoms of the hyper varity even worse.

When my thyroid dose was 1/2 grain my BP was 170/100, pulse 100, and I looked

anorexic. I had RAI, so this was too low a dose. When I got to 2 grain (4x as

much!), my BP dropped to about 130/80, pulse went down to 80, and I have gained

15 lbs on MORE thyroid! It's completely counterintuitive, unless you understand

how adrenaline works.

> I did not have the antibody tests for Graves done,....only Hashi's per Barb

and they were negative. Can you have Graves, but show what I did on Free/Total

T3 and RT3?

Yes, theoretically you could have Graves' antibodies, but your labs indicate

you're in remission, so any symptoms you have would not be from Graves', which

would push your FT3 and/or FT4 way over range, with worse case I described

earlier at 6x over range.

> I am thinking of skipping the T3 med for now, since some folks have said that

E2 and my 'gut' problems can interfere with thyroid conversion.

You really should give the T3 a try, since it's low-dose. Conversion is a

problem of T4 converting to T3. For that reason, your doc prescribed T3, which

is already converted. Any E2 and gut problems that affect conversion are

bypassed. I read multiple forums, and there is much misinformation out there,

or misunderstanding. People mean well when they give advice, but many do not

really understand the physiology.

Here's to a healthier new year to all!

Barb

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Any loss of a hormones level can do this did you know T3 only meds only last a

few hrs. Go and try it if it does not agree with you it will only last a few

hrs. I can't see this happening on this dose.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Sorry,.......but another thyroid based question.

>

> Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 1:21 PM

> I am struggling to try and understand

> my test results as compared to my symptoms.

>

> My recent test results showed non-optimal FreeT3, and

> higher in range RT3 which everyone agreed shows I am

> slightly hypothyroid.

>

> At the same time though,....many of my physical symptoms

> are the opposite of what would be expected for

> hypothyroidism. High blood pressure, elevated heart rate,

> weight loss not gain. Also my body temps appear to be

> totally normal from the 97.8 to 98.2 range upon awakening to

> 98.6 or even higher later in the day. Sometimes my temp will

> be in the 99.2 range in the afternoon.

> I also occasionally get a slight shaky feeling in my

> hands.

>

> On the other hand, my skin is dry and thinning mainly on my

> hands, and my hands/feet go from hot to cold at different

> times of the day. My fingers are literally ice cold right

> now as I type. This is something that was totally foreign to

> me a year ago.

>

> I guess what I am asking is can you be hypo, but have

> symptoms of being hyper largely, and does this relate to

> what my doc said about my adrenals compensating?

> I can't seem to find anything online that agrees with what

> he is saying directly.

>

> I apologize for continuing to ask these questions, but I

> will admit I am a little nervous about starting this T3 med

> I just picked up. I have not taken any yet, as I am worried

> it will make my symptoms of the hyper varity even worse.

>

> I did not have the antibody tests for Graves done,....only

> Hashi's per Barb and they were negative. Can you have

> Graves, but show what I did on Free/Total T3 and RT3?

> Yes,.....I am grasping at straws, and I know it. This is

> just so strange for me, and the way I feel especially

> lately.

>

> I am NOT losing my mind BTW.

> Just happen to be a person that does not like meds much,

> and I am one of the fortunate few that will get about every

> side-effect known to man. The BP meds drove me nuts until

> the doc tried Cozaar years ago.

>

> If anyone familiar with thyroid problems can give me some

> further insight into this I would surely appreciate it. I am

> thinking of skipping the T3 med for now, since some folks

> have said that E2 and my 'gut' problems can interfere with

> thyroid conversion.

>

> If I really believed it might help I would take it, but I

> surely do not want to put myself into even more of a hyper

> mode.

>

> I realize that none of you are doctors, but any further

> opinions would surely be appreciated.

>

>

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Barb,.....my last FT3 was 2.9 from 11/15 and 298 in August. Different

measurements but I guess they are close on conversion.

Obviously I have no idea what my cortisol levels do all the time, but the saliva

test was high on 3 out of 4 times/day.

I have checked my blood glucose when I get the shaky feelings and it has always

been in the upper eighties to mid nineties. I am almost certain that I do NOT

have hypoglycemic episodes. Fairly certain that I am headed the opposite

direction actually, as my fasting level continues to slowly rise. Not saying

that I am literally shaking, just notice a slight tremble at times in my hands.

Just had blood taken yesterday for what they call a Pre-DX test. I do the celiac

gene thing first of the week also. Sure that will be negative, but what the

heck,......I have had almost every other test done! LOL

I would imagine that maybe adrenaline accounts for my body temps slightly above

normal at times?

I also guess the body temp testing doesn't seem to work on me. I have

consistently normal 'basal' temps but test slightly hypo.

Not meaning to second guess, but yes, I have run into some threads on other

boards more related to thyroid. I have not posted or signed up though. I trust

what you have to say greatly, so I am thrilled that you responded to this.

My BP is not nearly as high as yours was, but I am on Cozaar and presume you

were on nothing. When I saw my doc on 12/23 it was 140/94 and my pulse was 89.

Pulse runs from mid 70's to 90's normally, but gets into the 100 to 120 range on

occasion for no apparent reason.

Seems to really ramp up after I eat,....this doc says it's because of my 'gut'

problems. Who knows?

My T3 med is compounded into a capsule. Looks like white powder inside and says

" T3 in K100M Capsules. " Only other thing it says is liothyronine 5mcg. Supposed

to take one a day in the AM an hour before eating. I think I will try it

starting on Monday when all the docs are back in town!

Thanks for calming me down,.....as if you don't have enough to deal with on your

own!

I hope that you and your DH have a terrific 2011 BTW.

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Phil,....I will try it Monday when the docs are back in town.

I know I sound like a wimp, and I am really the total opposite. I will put

myself through a lot of suffering to do what I need to do.

Just have to admit that I am a bit afraid of making my symptoms worse than what

I have been dealing with already.

Of course without trying anything I am not likely to feel any better, and

probably get worse with time.

Happy New Year BTW.

>

> Any loss of a hormones level can do this did you know T3 only meds only last a

few hrs. Go and try it if it does not agree with you it will only last a few

hrs. I can't see this happening on this dose.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

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Good Idea but I feel you will do fine.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: Sorry,.......but another thyroid based question.

>

> Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 3:06 PM

> Phil,....I will try it Monday when

> the docs are back in town.

> I know I sound like a wimp, and I am really the total

> opposite. I will put myself through a lot of suffering to do

> what I need to do.

>

> Just have to admit that I am a bit afraid of making my

> symptoms worse than what I have been dealing with already.

>

> Of course without trying anything I am not likely to feel

> any better, and probably get worse with time.

>

> Happy New Year BTW.

>

>

> >

> > Any loss of a hormones level can do this did you know

> T3 only meds only last a few hrs.  Go and try it if it

> does not agree with you it will only last a few hrs.  I

> can't see this happening on this dose.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

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Phil, one more question about my new scrips.

The T3 says clearly to take it in the AM an hour before eating.

What about the .5 mg of compounded Arimidex?

No instructions on it other than to take one capsule every Monday and Thursday

only.

Does it matter what time of the day you take it, or with or without food?

Thanks!

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All Thyroid meds should be taken with out food or milk. Arimidex you can take

anytime with or with out food.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: Sorry,.......but another thyroid based question.

>

> Date: Saturday, January 1, 2011, 11:14 AM

> Phil, one more question about my new

> scrips.

>

> The T3 says clearly to take it in the AM an hour before

> eating.

> What about the .5 mg of compounded Arimidex?

> No instructions on it other than to take one capsule every

> Monday and Thursday only.

>

> Does it matter what time of the day you take it, or with or

> without food?

>

> Thanks!

>

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Thanks Phil.

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Happy Years to all, may I ask can you take Indolplex DIM w / wo food at any time

also?

Re: Sorry,.......but another thyroid based question.

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> Date: Saturday, January 1, 2011, 11:14 AM

> Phil, one more question about my new

> scrips.

>

> The T3 says clearly to take it in the AM an hour before

> eating.

> What about the .5 mg of compounded Arimidex?

> No instructions on it other than to take one capsule every

> Monday and Thursday only.

>

> Does it matter what time of the day you take it, or with or

> without food?

>

> Thanks!

>

>

>

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I did not I try to take all supplements with food unless the supplement says

other wise. There are times you can't do this and it dose not hurt.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> > Subject: Re: Sorry,.......but another

> thyroid based question.

> >

> > Date: Saturday, January 1, 2011, 11:14 AM

> > Phil, one more question about my new

> > scrips.

> >

> > The T3 says clearly to take it in the AM an hour

> before

> > eating.

> > What about the .5 mg of compounded Arimidex?

> > No instructions on it other than to take one capsule

> every

> > Monday and Thursday only.

> >

> > Does it matter what time of the day you take it, or

> with or

> > without food?

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> >

> >

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Yes,.....she makes a lot of sense for sure.

I have to try something, as my cardiologist is flipping out over my hypertension

and mainly my heart rate going high for no reason.

I think I said it before, but he wants me to start taking Coreg 3.125mg at least

once a day to start. This is a beta/alpha blocker, and while it is a very low

dose, I know this can screw things up even further if my problem is thyroid

related. That is without even mentioning the other side effects of

beta-blockers.

My new doc says it's OK to take this low dose for now, but I am trying to avoid

it.

I see my Cardiologist on the 11th. and he is going to be upset that I didn't

start it yet. Oh well,.....it's my body and life!

Feeling like crap for a year has taken a toll for sure, and starting all of

these different meds are surely having an effect on me as well when it comes to

feeling anxious. You guys know I hate meds, and am concerned about side-effects

and also combining all of this stuff.

I have to get over it though, and realize I can't live the rest of my life with

nothing but one BP med, and Nexium.

I thank all of you for your replies BTW.

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Yes, you are right of course.

The stress I am creating over all this is probably making my BP and heart rate

worse for sure.

I won't be needing Xanax though! I'm just gonna start in the AM with what I need

to do. If I don't feel a slight bit better in a couple of days I will get the

Coreg scrip filled.

BTW,....that AdrenaCalm cream does seem to help me sleep better. I have been

using it for about three days now, so it might be a 'placebo' effect.

I am going to stop now,....no more reading about stuff all over the internet.

Thanks!

>

> I am on a low dose of Atenolol 25 mgs a beta-blocker for my heart. It helps

with my heart betting to fast and keeps my BP down. It dose not mess with my

thyroid meds or my CoQ10 levels.

>

> If you keep this up your going to get your self in a high very high level of

stress. I know I see men that are doing what your doing end up like this.

>

> Your Dr. would not tell you to do some things that is bad for you and if what

he gives you does not agree with you you call him he changes it and your try

again.

>

> At the rate your going with this worry you going to need Xanax for Anxiety.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

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Well for what it's worth, I took my first dose of T3 this AM about 6:30.

Waited an hour to eat like they said.

Good news is no allergic reactions, and I didn't notice any weird feelings.

Actually I didn't notice anything to be honest! LOL

Just took the BP,....134/86 and pulse about 84.

How long does it take to tell if this stuff is going to have any positive

results?

I have to stagger my meds due to my work schedule,....most of the time I never

know when I will be home, and when I won't. I don't like carrying them with me

due to the fact my vehicle gets quite hot inside a good part of the year here in

Florida.

Going to start my Arimidex this evening.

Speaking of which,......Phil if you see this you would know.

Any common side effects with this drug, especially related to pulse or BP? I

hope not.