Guest guest Posted December 30, 2010 Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 Hi mpusf and Welcome, When or how did you do them labs if your put on the gel first then did the labs your can Spike up your levels. I tell men to do a shower first then go do there labs then put on the gel. If you can't do this shower put on the gel keeping it from the spot they take your blood from and do the test after 6 hrs. Men on this low starting dose don't get levels that high I was on 10 grams and the best I could get was about 550. You need to read this copy of a file I made about this read this and if you have more questions just ask. I don't feel your levels are up and they could end up lower then you started. ==================================================== Starting on Androgel or Testim. Yes this happens a lot you start on a low starting dose 5 grams when your brain sees the testosterone in your blood even just a little it slows down even stops sending the LH and FSH message to your testis to make the Testosterone you were making. So lets say your labs for Total T were 350 you add this dose of gel your brain sees this and you lose the base level you had before the gel. Now lets say you need more then 5 grams most do so now all your left with is what the gel is doing so lets say it's doing 200 so you lost 150. The reason you feel good is your levels go up that 200 the gel is doing in the first 2 weeks so your levels go up to 550 in theory. The brain sees this and you fall back. Why can this happen it might be how your putting on the gel with Androgel you need to spread it over your upper arms and shoulders and down your back as far as you can reach this is half of your dose then do the other side. Just spread it over the area but don't rub it in. The other thing is it's not getting through your skin good so you need more. If you have a thyroid problem your skin will become thicker and gels and creams don't get through the skin and you need to switch to shots. I tell men when they go on Gels to retest in 2 weeks because you can end up feeling worse. Most men just need more gel. Dr.'s that tell men to go on 5 grams of gel and come back in 8 to 12 weeks for labs don't know much about the use of gels. Dr.'s that treat a lot of men for low T on gels see this happen and test them again in 2 weeks. When you go to do labs get up and shower that morning go do your labs and then put in the gel after your blood test so you don’t spike up your labs. If you can’t do labs in the morning shower put on the gel but don’t get any gel on the spot they take the blood from. Do your labs about 6 hrs later. Call your Dr. and tell him this and that your not feeling good you were but fell back. Co-Moderator Phil > From: mpusf <no_reply > > Subject: Adrogel results > > Date: Thursday, December 30, 2010, 12:08 PM > I was diagnosed with secondary > hypogonadism and had low T of 226. Put on Androgel 5 > gel and have good erections and no more sore ankles at 10 > days. Thereafter things went a little towards the > worse with less strong erections and a return of sore > ankles. I was tested last week after 4 weeks of > treatment and have total T of 685. Do I need to give > Androgel more time to work of is something else going on? > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2010 Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 Those results sound too good to be true. I was on the gels (Androgel & Testim) with no success at all. When I first started on the Androgel, my test results were showing it was working great, even though I felt nothing. It turned out I was getting a false high reading because they were drawing blood from the same area (insde elbow) that I applied the gel to (biceps). There will be a higher concentration of T in the tissue in that area. I found this information on Androgel's website. I informed my doctor of this and he started drawing blood from the back of my hand instead. Doing it this way showed that my levels were not increasing at all. Just something to consider... Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2010 Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 Thanbks for the reply Phil. You have some very good points. Doc told me to test 3 weeks after starting the gel which is what I did. Unfortunately, the morning of the test, I took a shower, applied the gel then had blood taken about 45 minutes later. I'll contact the doc and retake the test before putting on the gel > > > From: mpusf <no_reply > > > Subject: Adrogel results > > > > Date: Thursday, December 30, 2010, 12:08 PM > > I was diagnosed with secondary > > hypogonadism and had low T of 226. Put on Androgel 5 > > gel and have good erections and no more sore ankles at 10 > > days. Thereafter things went a little towards the > > worse with less strong erections and a return of sore > > ankles. I was tested last week after 4 weeks of > > treatment and have total T of 685. Do I need to give > > Androgel more time to work of is something else going on? > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2010 Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 great point. I don't recall specifically, however there's a 50/50 chance that they took blood on the same arm where blood was drawn. I'll keep this in mind for the repeat test. > > > > Those results sound too good to be true. I was on the gels (Androgel & Testim) with no success at all. When I first started on the Androgel, my test results were showing it was working great, even though I felt nothing. It turned out I was getting a false high reading because they were drawing blood from the same area (insde elbow) that I applied the gel to (biceps). There will be a higher concentration of T in the tissue in that area. I found this information on Androgel's website. I informed my doctor of this and he started drawing blood from the back of my hand instead. Doing it this way showed that my levels were not increasing at all. Just something to consider... > > Jeff > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2010 Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 Well if you don't feel worse then you started redo the labs other wise to save money have your Dr. up your dose of the gel say 7.5 grams then in a few weeks do labs. And test your Estradiol levels I do this test at Quest labs. Estradiol sensitive Code #4021 Testosterone, Free, Bioavailable & Total LC/MS/MS Code # 14966X. I know your very low because other men doing the labs like you just did were up into the 1200's. and redoing them were still low say 300. Co-Moderator Phil > From: mpusf <no_reply > > Subject: Re: Adrogel results > > Date: Thursday, December 30, 2010, 4:30 PM > Thanbks for the reply Phil. You > have some very good points. Doc told me to test 3 > weeks after starting the gel which is what I did. > Unfortunately, the morning of the test, I took a shower, > applied the gel then had blood taken about 45 minutes > later. I'll contact the doc and retake the test before > putting on the gel > > > > > > > From: mpusf <no_reply > > > > Subject: Adrogel results > > > > > > Date: Thursday, December 30, 2010, 12:08 PM > > > I was diagnosed with secondary > > > hypogonadism and had low T of 226. Put on > Androgel 5 > > > gel and have good erections and no more sore > ankles at 10 > > > days. Thereafter things went a little towards > the > > > worse with less strong erections and a return of > sore > > > ankles. I was tested last week after 4 weeks > of > > > treatment and have total T of 685. Do I need > to give > > > Androgel more time to work of is something else > going on? > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2010 Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 It's not about whitch arm they use when you put the gel on the Testosterone gose under your sick and is fed into your blood over the next 6 hrs so doing labs on any arm will snow very high levels. Co-Moderator Phil > From: mpusf <no_reply > > Subject: Re: Adrogel results > > Date: Thursday, December 30, 2010, 4:34 PM > great point. I don't recall > specifically, however there's a 50/50 chance that they took > blood on the same arm where blood was drawn. I'll keep > this in mind for the repeat test. > > > > > > > > > > Those results sound too good to be true. I was on the > gels (Androgel & Testim) with no success at all. When I > first started on the Androgel, my test results were showing > it was working great, even though I felt nothing. It turned > out I was getting a false high reading because they were > drawing blood from the same area (insde elbow) that I > applied the gel to (biceps). There will be a higher > concentration of T in the tissue in that area. I found this > information on Androgel's website. I informed my doctor of > this and he started drawing blood from the back of my hand > instead. Doing it this way showed that my levels were not > increasing at all. Just something to consider... > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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