Guest guest Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 Sir,  Stimulation of the sexual organs for men and women have nothing to do with size. Every physical body that has working nerve endings can be aroused.   You would benefit from undergoing counseling on the femal body. The G-spot and clitoris are easily identified and easy to stimulate.  The perception that ramming a women deep inside is where her pleasure derives from it completely wrong.   She may have a " Mental " attachment to size.  If that is the case then you ought be warned that she is not really interested in being intimate with the true YOU. Took me a while to transition from what Hypogonadism " Took from me " .  That was a weak thinking to the daily reality of what I am. Your a man so be a man and find a partner that wants YOU!!! Someone who wants YOU frees you from the false perceptions and dependency of being qualified or acceptable.  Men must learn to stop seeking acceptance and start enjoying the blessing of being in unison with someone that appreciates, esteems, lookforwards to being with YOU. Everybody wants to cum. The only question is will you cum with me???. and if you won't why would I recognize you were not the right person anyway!!  SORRY FOR THE LANGUAGE BUT ITS TIME TO CHANGE HOW WE THINK ABOUT THIS AFFLICTION. LOL  ________________________________ From: uu1845 <uu1845@...> Sent: Fri, November 12, 2010 7:43:23 AM Subject: Penis size and what primary Hypogonadism took away conversation  Hello all, I feel more comfortable sharing in this kind of place compared to a PE forum. Met a nice woman online; we just had an over 7 hour phone conversation. Our last 30 min's revolved around her expectation regarding penis size. I am glad it went this way because it gave me the opportunity to see if we could basically move forward. She is considered BBW which I do not mind. It's a woman's internal and external beauty that matters and she is very internally beautiful as well as externally, especially coming from a different country and setting up residence locally where I live. Given her body frame, she stated she has a preference of a larger penis, but could not give me specifics in what size range would be best for her. She said, upon me asking, her last boyfriends were on the bigger side, yet could not give me specifics. I then stated, I will send you pictures of my penis so you can compare and then importantly, decide before we move forward because I do not want to establish feelings for you and have you be unfulfilled when we do have sex. I figured this would be a smart and rational move on my part; let her see to compare so Ill know now. She stated, the only way she would know if she is fulfilled, would be to actually do the act. However, primary Hypogonadism took me having an above average penis away when I was younger. I had surgery at 10, to lower my testes that should have been done when I was a baby. Afterward, doctors did not check if I had low testosterone, therefore, I did not go through puberty normally or it just affected my secondly sexual characteristics of my testicles and penis size. I had to bust my butt with PE just to get to 6.6 from 5.8. My rational line of questioning which she said made her uncomfortable was to see if my current size would be within her expectation of not slipping out or God forbid – not reaching. I know the added risk of courting someone who is BBW. The extra weight and how it would impact my size. When I was smaller, my lone situation I played it safe and I didn't try positions aside from her on top, which she said was fine. I wasn't good at the missionary position, because I did not try to establish myself properly, but she liked it and I was good at reverse cow gal. Back to her, her last two bf were on the larger side and she has a size expectation due to her weight. My position is: I rather her see it now, then for me to find out if we do have sex. Of course I would be inexperience but game without the fear of losing an erection especially with T., in my system. However what if we try the doggy style position and it doesn't reach inward that would make her fulfilled? Do not get me wrong, she is a wonderful person with a lot of potential with a unique accent as well. I am me. I have to live everyday with want primary Hypogonadism took away. If I was allowed going through puberty with HCG, etc I wouldn't have this major life crisis that is ongoing for me. All of my depression and thereafter has been a result of the unhealthy way I conditioned myself to see my penis and thus my life. I cannot say this to her, but of course I could not reassure her that my penis was big enough to reach, because I have no idea if it could and enough to fulfill her. She picked up on this naturally and I wasn't trying to be self-conscious; I was being honest. She was very saddened it appeared just now to the point of maybe crying due to this line of questioning. She regretted it, but I did not. I stated, it was best that I knew about your expectation and if I can meet it or not because you deserve a man that can. I have no positive expectation of moving forward with a woman. Why? Situations like this. This is my whole life: believing other men could meet these kinds of sexual expectations. I am not sure if other men here have experienced something similar to this, if you have please share. -Have a rewarding and peaceful weekend- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 As many of us have told you in many different ways, the problem is not with your penis, it's between your ears. Talk of penis size and particularly " PE " is just plain creepy. It flashes huge warning signs to women and men alike that something is very very wrong here, and it's not between your legs. There are hetrosexual women who have been seduced by people whose penis is the size of a pencil eraser. They are called lesbians and they do just fine. Like most men my age I experience " ED " from time to time, but I can guarantee that my wife is fully satisifed when we're done. You've got an obsession and you need to do something to deal with it. I hope you can find a woman you can share your life with and find acceptance, but you've got to learn to accept yourself. A married couple might engage in sexual intercourse perhaps 90 minutes a week at most. It's what happens the other 10,000 minutes that really counts in a relationship. Randy Hoops > > Hello all, I feel more comfortable sharing in this kind of place compared to a PE forum. > > > Met a nice woman online; we just had an over 7 hour phone conversation. Our last 30 min's revolved around her expectation regarding penis size. I am glad it went this way because it gave me the opportunity to see if we could basically move forward. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 Welcome back, UU. I'd like to add a voice on this subject to the ones sounded so far. I think if a person is doing something that makes him feel better and more confident and he's not hurting anyone, by all means do it, whether it's exercise for the muscles, exercise for the joints and lymph nodes, exercise for brain, exercise for the mind, or exercise for the penis. The issue isn't what a person does so much as how much it occupies a person's life, and if it becomes a crutch for confidence. One can work his penis or other muscles without it being obsessive or excessive, and one can do these things in a way that eclipses his energy and time. How you handle your activities and present them matters more than the activity itself. None of the women I've been with have mentioned penis size mattering. With that said, 2 of them would make jokes about size, but it seems like they were repeating jokes they heard others make, as these comments were never directed toward me. Their comments only came out when they wanted to cut someone down- the jerk who cut them off in traffic, men they thought were egotistical, etc. Whether they meant these back at me indirectly I can't say, but I don't think these comments were intended this way either. It would be wrong to say that penis size doesn't matter at all to women, as you might encounter some vocal ones who say what size they " need " /prefer. Then there are the size queens on Craigslist and other dating sites, who often have less than ideal figures yet feel strangely comfortable making demands about how someone else's body should be. There is a range of women and their preferences- with some genuinely not caring, some being more honest or vocal, and some simply trying to set up some ideal partner without being that type of partner to the man they want to attract- but it's as Randy said: women care *MOST* about those 10,000 other minutes during the week. Without discounting the importance of sex (and more particularly, good sex) in a relationship, a larger penis size is neither a necessity nor the first priority. I think I get your approach- test a woman to see if she'll reject you up front, rather than have it come up during the relationship itself or after a breakup through snide comments. The problem is, talking about your penis size and/or showing pics immediately (especially to ask if you " measure up " ) has an exactly opposite effect. It doesn't filter out women who are superficial or who would prefer larger ones- **it filters out 99% of women**. Women want a man who is confident- about himself, his value as a person, his accomplishments, decisions, beliefs, and his body. That's not to say you have to like every aspect about yourself or be content with everything you see- else who would work out?- but it does mean liking yourself enough to convey that you have something to offer people ( & women in particular) because of who you are and your unique life experiences. What you've done so far is further than some men have gone. Some guys have never been in a relationship or talked with a woman in any significant detail due to their own shyness and insecurities. You should assume this: if a woman is talking with you, it's because she's somewhat interested, otherwise should would have left/walked away. You don't have to worry about " measuring up " when you already passed the interest test. Honestly, if women did " deign " to accept you as measuring up, with you always striving to meet their expectations just so you'll be acceptable- is this the type of relationship you'd like to have? Always having to jump through hoops just to gain a smidgeon of respect/affection? Some men have had penectomies due to penile cancer and remain sexually active by pleasing their wives in other ways. And I believe numerous women are being honest when they say they'd rather be with (i.e. relationship, not one night stand) a guy who has a gorgeous personality and a small penis than a jerk with a large one. You're allowed to reflect on what you feel hypo *took* from you. I think it's more worthwhile to share this in a support group than with a potential date. You do need to ground yourself in some self-confidence. Consider some confidence boosting exercises (mental/social) in addition to (or, should you decide at some time in the future, in lieu of) your PE exercises. ~Xian > > > > Hello all, I feel more comfortable sharing in this kind of place compared to a PE forum. > > > > > > Met a nice woman online; we just had an over 7 hour phone conversation. Our last 30 min's revolved around her expectation regarding penis size. I am glad it went this way because it gave me the opportunity to see if we could basically move forward. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 Hate to say this, but your own insecurities scuttled a potential relationship. We as men, have to let go of these notions. We're lucky. Many women can orgasm by just having the right words whispered into her ear. Try that as a man. Furthermore, so many men fall into the average size range that most women, unless they're REALLY experienced, have never seen anything but an average penis - despite what they say. Women are bullsh*ters too. I suspect she was BSing you so as not to appear to be a " lonely heart " . On top of that, you're average. You could have just said " I'm average, take it or leave it. " BTW, I'm very average, and sometimes, I catch my wife wincing in pain if I'm too deep. This whole argument is BS and men have to just let go. > > Hello all, I feel more comfortable sharing in this kind of place compared to a PE forum. > > > Met a nice woman online; we just had an over 7 hour phone conversation. Our last 30 min's revolved around her expectation regarding penis size. I am glad it went this way because it gave me the opportunity to see if we could basically move forward. > > > She is considered BBW which I do not mind. It's a woman's internal and external beauty that matters and she is very internally beautiful as well as externally, especially coming from a different country and setting up residence locally where I live. > > > Given her body frame, she stated she has a preference of a larger penis, but could not give me specifics in what size range would be best for her. She said, upon me asking, her last boyfriends were on the bigger side, yet could not give me specifics. > > > I then stated, I will send you pictures of my penis so you can compare and then importantly, decide before we move forward because I do not want to establish feelings for you and have you be unfulfilled when we do have sex. > > > I figured this would be a smart and rational move on my part; let her see to compare so Ill know now. She stated, the only way she would know if she is fulfilled, would be to actually do the act. > > > However, primary Hypogonadism took me having an above average penis away when I was younger. I had surgery at 10, to lower my testes that should have been done when I was a baby. Afterward, doctors did not check if I had low testosterone, therefore, I did not go through puberty normally or it just affected my secondly sexual characteristics of my testicles and penis size. > > > I had to bust my butt with PE just to get to 6.6 from 5.8. My rational line of questioning which she said made her uncomfortable was to see if my current size would be within her expectation of not slipping out or God forbid – not reaching. > > > I know the added risk of courting someone who is BBW. The extra weight and how it would impact my size. When I was smaller, my lone situation I played it safe and I didn't try positions aside from her on top, which she said was fine. I wasn't good at the missionary position, because I did not try to establish myself properly, but she liked it and I was good at reverse cow gal. > > > Back to her, her last two bf were on the larger side and she has a size expectation due to her weight. My position is: I rather her see it now, then for me to find out if we do have sex. Of course I would be inexperience but game without the fear of losing an erection especially with T., in my system. However what if we try the doggy style position and it doesn't reach inward that would make her fulfilled? > > > Do not get me wrong, she is a wonderful person with a lot of potential with a unique accent as well. > > > I am me. I have to live everyday with want primary Hypogonadism took away. If I was allowed going through puberty with HCG, etc I wouldn't have this major life crisis that is ongoing for me. All of my depression and thereafter has been a result of the unhealthy way I conditioned myself to see my penis and thus my life. > > > I cannot say this to her, but of course I could not reassure her that my penis was big enough to reach, because I have no idea if it could and enough to fulfill her. She picked up on this naturally and I wasn't trying to be self-conscious; I was being honest. > > > She was very saddened it appeared just now to the point of maybe crying due to this line of questioning. She regretted it, but I did not. I stated, it was best that I knew about your expectation and if I can meet it or not because you deserve a man that can. I have no positive expectation of moving forward with a woman. Why? Situations like this. > > > This is my whole life: believing other men could meet these kinds of sexual expectations. > > > I am not sure if other men here have experienced something similar to this, if you have please share. > > > > -Have a rewarding and peaceful weekend- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 I don't get into this type of problem much but I had sex with a lot of women before meeting my wife. I even told her I was worn out she laughed about it. Anyway I never had sex with a women that could reach an orgasm from penetration women are just not built that way. You meet one in a night club have sex with her after a few dates. They act like they enjoy it or fake it. It's not about the size it's about what your doing. Most of the women I was with longer they would let me rug there clit when we were having sex this would bring them to an orgasm. It's hard to do this when your on top but is you lay her on her back and enter her with her legs over you side I called this T boning you can rub her clit very easy this way. Most of the them would rub them self's they were better at this. I don't know if this will help you or not but it's not about the size that makes a women reach an orgasm most never have one and will not say so. Co-Moderator Phil > From: uu1845 <uu1845@...> > Subject: Penis size and what primary Hypogonadism took away conversation > > Date: Friday, November 12, 2010, 7:43 AM > Hello all, I feel more comfortable > sharing in this kind of place compared to a PE forum. > > > Met a nice woman online; we just had an over 7 hour phone > conversation. Our last 30 min's revolved around her > expectation regarding penis size. I am glad it went this way > because it gave me the opportunity to see if we could > basically move forward. > > > She is considered BBW which I do not mind. It's a woman's > internal and external beauty that matters and she is very > internally beautiful as well as externally, especially > coming from a different country and setting up residence > locally where I live. > > > Given her body frame, she stated she has a preference of a > larger penis, but could not give me specifics in what size > range would be best for her. She said, upon me asking, her > last boyfriends were on the bigger side, yet could not give > me specifics. > > > I then stated, I will send you pictures of my penis so you > can compare and then importantly, decide before we move > forward because I do not want to establish feelings for you > and have you be unfulfilled when we do have sex. > > > I figured this would be a smart and rational move on my > part; let her see to compare so Ill know now. She stated, > the only way she would know if she is fulfilled, would be to > actually do the act. > > > However, primary Hypogonadism took me having an above > average penis away when I was younger. I had surgery at 10, > to lower my testes that should have been done when I was a > baby. Afterward, doctors did not check if I had low > testosterone, therefore, I did not go through puberty > normally or it just affected my secondly sexual > characteristics of my testicles and penis size. > > > I had to bust my butt with PE just to get to 6.6 from 5.8. > My rational line of questioning which she said made her > uncomfortable was to see if my current size would be within > her expectation of not slipping out or God forbid – not > reaching. > > > I know the added risk of courting someone who is BBW. The > extra weight and how it would impact my size. When I was > smaller, my lone situation I played it safe and I didn't try > positions aside from her on top, which she said was fine. I > wasn't good at the missionary position, because I did not > try to establish myself properly, but she liked it and I was > good at reverse cow gal. > > > Back to her, her last two bf were on the larger side and > she has a size expectation due to her weight. My position > is: I rather her see it now, then for me to find out if we > do have sex. Of course I would be inexperience but game > without the fear of losing an erection especially with T., > in my system. However what if we try the doggy style > position and it doesn't reach inward that would make her > fulfilled? > > > Do not get me wrong, she is a wonderful person with a lot > of potential with a unique accent as well. > > > I am me. I have to live everyday with want primary > Hypogonadism took away. If I was allowed going through > puberty with HCG, etc I wouldn't have this major life crisis > that is ongoing for me. All of my depression and thereafter > has been a result of the unhealthy way I conditioned myself > to see my penis and thus my life. > > > I cannot say this to her, but of course I could not > reassure her that my penis was big enough to reach, because > I have no idea if it could and enough to fulfill her. She > picked up on this naturally and I wasn't trying to be > self-conscious; I was being honest. > > > She was very saddened it appeared just now to the point of > maybe crying due to this line of questioning. She regretted > it, but I did not. I stated, it was best that I knew about > your expectation and if I can meet it or not because you > deserve a man that can. I have no positive expectation of > moving forward with a woman. Why? Situations like this. > > > This is my whole life: believing other men could meet these > kinds of sexual expectations. > > > I am not sure if other men here have experienced something > similar to this, if you have please share. > > > > -Have a rewarding and peaceful weekend- > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 I'm a member of a PE forum as well, and am very accustomed to discussions like this. However, let me say right away that when you were 5.8 - assuming you mean inches - you were already very normal. Now that you're 6.6, you're statistically above average. As you say you've done research, you should already know this. Aesthetically, I don't look big to me, but rationally I know that I am. Perhaps you're experiencing the same thing, and you need to recognize that. I must admit I don't know what BBW means, but you've mentioned her weight - my wife is quite large - she was over 300 pounds at one point. I think she's down to 250 or so now, which is still rather large. While I don't believe that weight has anything to do with the size or tightness of a vagina, or of her ability to be sexually satisfied with sex, I do know that my wife was a large 37 year old virgin when we started dating, and even though I am statistically above average in girth, she never, ever had a problem taking me in - but again, I really don't think that has to do with weight. For those who believe that penis exercises show some kind of unhealthy obsession, I disagree entirely. Penis exercises not only have an impact on size, but on erection quality. Whether or not you're happy with your size, erection quality should be important to everyone, especially as age begins to take its toll. I don't find penis exercises any more extreme than lifting weights or working out - it's all a matter of taking care of what you have. We don't usually think of a guy who lifts weights as having an unhealthy obsession with muscle size, right? Why should there be a difference? My wife's happy with my size - but it's fun to see if I can gain length. Like any other hobby, it's possible to go overboard with it, but I don't necessarily think that's common. > > Hello all, I feel more comfortable sharing in this kind of place compared to a PE forum. > > > Met a nice woman online; we just had an over 7 hour phone conversation. Our last 30 min's revolved around her expectation regarding penis size. I am glad it went this way because it gave me the opportunity to see if we could basically move forward. > > > She is considered BBW which I do not mind. It's a woman's internal and external beauty that matters and she is very internally beautiful as well as externally, especially coming from a different country and setting up residence locally where I live. > > > Given her body frame, she stated she has a preference of a larger penis, but could not give me specifics in what size range would be best for her. She said, upon me asking, her last boyfriends were on the bigger side, yet could not give me specifics. > > > I then stated, I will send you pictures of my penis so you can compare and then importantly, decide before we move forward because I do not want to establish feelings for you and have you be unfulfilled when we do have sex. > > > I figured this would be a smart and rational move on my part; let her see to compare so Ill know now. She stated, the only way she would know if she is fulfilled, would be to actually do the act. > > > However, primary Hypogonadism took me having an above average penis away when I was younger. I had surgery at 10, to lower my testes that should have been done when I was a baby. Afterward, doctors did not check if I had low testosterone, therefore, I did not go through puberty normally or it just affected my secondly sexual characteristics of my testicles and penis size. > > > I had to bust my butt with PE just to get to 6.6 from 5.8. My rational line of questioning which she said made her uncomfortable was to see if my current size would be within her expectation of not slipping out or God forbid – not reaching. > > > I know the added risk of courting someone who is BBW. The extra weight and how it would impact my size. When I was smaller, my lone situation I played it safe and I didn't try positions aside from her on top, which she said was fine. I wasn't good at the missionary position, because I did not try to establish myself properly, but she liked it and I was good at reverse cow gal. > > > Back to her, her last two bf were on the larger side and she has a size expectation due to her weight. My position is: I rather her see it now, then for me to find out if we do have sex. Of course I would be inexperience but game without the fear of losing an erection especially with T., in my system. However what if we try the doggy style position and it doesn't reach inward that would make her fulfilled? > > > Do not get me wrong, she is a wonderful person with a lot of potential with a unique accent as well. > > > I am me. I have to live everyday with want primary Hypogonadism took away. If I was allowed going through puberty with HCG, etc I wouldn't have this major life crisis that is ongoing for me. All of my depression and thereafter has been a result of the unhealthy way I conditioned myself to see my penis and thus my life. > > > I cannot say this to her, but of course I could not reassure her that my penis was big enough to reach, because I have no idea if it could and enough to fulfill her. She picked up on this naturally and I wasn't trying to be self-conscious; I was being honest. > > > She was very saddened it appeared just now to the point of maybe crying due to this line of questioning. She regretted it, but I did not. I stated, it was best that I knew about your expectation and if I can meet it or not because you deserve a man that can. I have no positive expectation of moving forward with a woman. Why? Situations like this. > > > This is my whole life: believing other men could meet these kinds of sexual expectations. > > > I am not sure if other men here have experienced something similar to this, if you have please share. > > > > -Have a rewarding and peaceful weekend- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 Jim,  Can I butt into your dialog? I would be MORE that appreciative if you could tell me where to obtain instructions for penis exercise. I have a pump, but have seldom even attempted to use it, for I can never seem to get a seal vacuum for the darn thing to work. I am single and have no real lady friend to speak of, but several candidates in the wings, I would like to get some kind of sustain erection before the fact, if you know what I mean. Hugh From: james <jimevans_2000@...> Subject: Re: Penis size and what primary Hypogonadism took away conversation Date: Friday, November 12, 2010, 2:58 PM  I'm a member of a PE forum as well, and am very accustomed to discussions like this. However, let me say right away that when you were 5.8 - assuming you mean inches - you were already very normal. Now that you're 6.6, you're statistically above average. As you say you've done research, you should already know this. Aesthetically, I don't look big to me, but rationally I know that I am. Perhaps you're experiencing the same thing, and you need to recognize that. I must admit I don't know what BBW means, but you've mentioned her weight - my wife is quite large - she was over 300 pounds at one point. I think she's down to 250 or so now, which is still rather large. While I don't believe that weight has anything to do with the size or tightness of a vagina, or of her ability to be sexually satisfied with sex, I do know that my wife was a large 37 year old virgin when we started dating, and even though I am statistically above average in girth, she never, ever had a problem taking me in - but again, I really don't think that has to do with weight. For those who believe that penis exercises show some kind of unhealthy obsession, I disagree entirely. Penis exercises not only have an impact on size, but on erection quality. Whether or not you're happy with your size, erection quality should be important to everyone, especially as age begins to take its toll. I don't find penis exercises any more extreme than lifting weights or working out - it's all a matter of taking care of what you have. We don't usually think of a guy who lifts weights as having an unhealthy obsession with muscle size, right? Why should there be a difference? My wife's happy with my size - but it's fun to see if I can gain length. Like any other hobby, it's possible to go overboard with it, but I don't necessarily think that's common. > > Hello all, I feel more comfortable sharing in this kind of place compared to a PE forum. > > > Met a nice woman online; we just had an over 7 hour phone conversation. Our last 30 min's revolved around her expectation regarding penis size. I am glad it went this way because it gave me the opportunity to see if we could basically move forward. > > > She is considered BBW which I do not mind. It's a woman's internal and external beauty that matters and she is very internally beautiful as well as externally, especially coming from a different country and setting up residence locally where I live. > > > Given her body frame, she stated she has a preference of a larger penis, but could not give me specifics in what size range would be best for her. She said, upon me asking, her last boyfriends were on the bigger side, yet could not give me specifics. > > > I then stated, I will send you pictures of my penis so you can compare and then importantly, decide before we move forward because I do not want to establish feelings for you and have you be unfulfilled when we do have sex. > > > I figured this would be a smart and rational move on my part; let her see to compare so Ill know now. She stated, the only way she would know if she is fulfilled, would be to actually do the act. > > > However, primary Hypogonadism took me having an above average penis away when I was younger. I had surgery at 10, to lower my testes that should have been done when I was a baby. Afterward, doctors did not check if I had low testosterone, therefore, I did not go through puberty normally or it just affected my secondly sexual characteristics of my testicles and penis size. > > > I had to bust my butt with PE just to get to 6.6 from 5.8. My rational line of questioning which she said made her uncomfortable was to see if my current size would be within her expectation of not slipping out or God forbid – not reaching. > > > I know the added risk of courting someone who is BBW. The extra weight and how it would impact my size. When I was smaller, my lone situation I played it safe and I didn't try positions aside from her on top, which she said was fine. I wasn't good at the missionary position, because I did not try to establish myself properly, but she liked it and I was good at reverse cow gal. > > > Back to her, her last two bf were on the larger side and she has a size expectation due to her weight. My position is: I rather her see it now, then for me to find out if we do have sex. Of course I would be inexperience but game without the fear of losing an erection especially with T., in my system. However what if we try the doggy style position and it doesn't reach inward that would make her fulfilled? > > > Do not get me wrong, she is a wonderful person with a lot of potential with a unique accent as well. > > > I am me. I have to live everyday with want primary Hypogonadism took away. If I was allowed going through puberty with HCG, etc I wouldn't have this major life crisis that is ongoing for me. All of my depression and thereafter has been a result of the unhealthy way I conditioned myself to see my penis and thus my life. > > > I cannot say this to her, but of course I could not reassure her that my penis was big enough to reach, because I have no idea if it could and enough to fulfill her. She picked up on this naturally and I wasn't trying to be self-conscious; I was being honest. > > > She was very saddened it appeared just now to the point of maybe crying due to this line of questioning. She regretted it, but I did not. I stated, it was best that I knew about your expectation and if I can meet it or not because you deserve a man that can. I have no positive expectation of moving forward with a woman. Why? Situations like this. > > > This is my whole life: believing other men could meet these kinds of sexual expectations. > > > I am not sure if other men here have experienced something similar to this, if you have please share. > > > > -Have a rewarding and peaceful weekend- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 Thank you to everyone who commented on here. If I miss someone specifically my apologies. I feel more comfortable sharing on this site than any other site, excluding a medical forum which is different. At least you guys and gals show compassion and take the time to respond without making someone feel worst. A lot of PE forums, the immature responses makes someone feel worst. But I am a fighter and Ill be alright in life. My goal is to help people overcome through counseling. Hello Hugh, I have experience with pumps but due to my small testicles, I had to give it up. I could only go so far without the fear of damaging my testicles. In my youth, I pumped without the education and had my testicles be sucked upward, I literally had to push them downward. I brought the Bathmate based on what PE users on a site said about it. Suction devices in general do not work well on small testicle men. I tried to explain this but I received bs as if I didn't use this device, I wouldn't be cool or accepted onto the forum. Hey Hugh, there are tons of sites that have free PE exercises. I truly do not respect the owner of this site, but he has the best exercises to day. Just google- MOS. They have a forum but it's " the bigger the better " and do PE " 24/7 " to be like the owner, etc. I sincerely hope bro, that you have a healthy and rewarding romantic relationship with whomever you choose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 Hello , sir I appreciate your message. In my specific situation, what can I do? If she has an expectation and I may not meet it, that's it. I never mentioned that this was in my mind. I offered to show her webcams, etc of my penis. If she did not say she had an expectation of size, I would have never made this thread or thought twice about this. I would be getting nervous about our first date, but thanking whatever higher power I believe in that I met someone wonderful. Instead, I have no reaction. This is typical for me and I do not complain. I will not harm myself or others. My passion is still to help people overcome. , what do you do bro when a woman says she has an expectation and you personally feel, you may not reach it? Some men say go on a date, knowing we will eventually have to have sex in order to move forward due to her expectation. Acceptance of self is great, but I would love to be accepted by a woman as well. I would love to be further accepted by others in general. God bless your message and that of others with similar positivity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 I respect your words and thanks for sharing Randy. > > > > Hello all, I feel more comfortable sharing in this kind of place compared to a PE forum. > > > > > > Met a nice woman online; we just had an over 7 hour phone conversation. Our last 30 min's revolved around her expectation regarding penis size. I am glad it went this way because it gave me the opportunity to see if we could basically move forward. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 Thanks for the welcome Xian. Nice post and thanks for sharing. " I think I get your approach- test a woman to see if she'll reject you up front, rather than have it come up during the relationship itself or after a breakup through snide comments. " This only seemed logical, which I explained to her. Why should I waste feelings, time, and money when you(woman) said you will break off the relationship due to not have bedroom chemistry? She is smart but did not have an answer for this. I do not want to be forced on a first date to sleep with her all to move forward... " You do need to ground yourself in some self-confidence. Consider some confidence boosting exercises (mental/social) in addition to (or, should you decide at some time in the future, in lieu of) your PE exercises. " Everything about this post is something I would share with another. I appreciate it Xian. After 7 hours on the phone last night / morning, it turned to her requirement issue and she was taken back and regretted it. I did not regret it, and wanted to turn the conversation to this aspect, when we was talking about similar stuff like this just to feel each other out. Xian if she has an expectation, she has an expectation. I have hated myself for too long now over not being able to meet this expectation, and yes a lot of times in my mind. I could or I shouldn't sleep with her. Maybe Ill be enough or maybe I will not, but I also have to tell myself someone else can show an interest. Just 'when' is my poison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 Hello Dave, I have the option of calling her now and setting up a date for the weekend. Once again, if she has a size expectation and I do not meet this expectation, that's it. We both want to be happy in a relationship and we both understand if an aspect is not unfulfilled the relationship will suffer. I told her, I want her to be with a man that can fulfill her in any romantic way. If I cannot do this, I cannot go and kill myself. I can only hope that I will be good enough and accepted to fulfill another woman. Our conversation in my opinion, was adult and realistic even if she did not want to here this from me. I rather cut ties now than to like her, and have our first experience not be fulfilling for her and me. It's this simplistic yet complex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 Wow Phil, I did not imagine you had sex with so many women so early. That proved you were not primary alone lol. Well Phil, I wish she did not bring up the size requirement due to her large frame but she did and I had to rationally handle it. I thought I did. It's life Sir and I thank you for taking so much of your time to show your humanity toward me and others. > > > From: uu1845 <uu1845@...> > > Subject: Penis size and what primary Hypogonadism took away conversation > > > > Date: Friday, November 12, 2010, 7:43 AM > > Hello all, I feel more comfortable > > sharing in this kind of place compared to a PE forum. > > > > > > Met a nice woman online; we just had an over 7 hour phone > > conversation. Our last 30 min's revolved around her > > expectation regarding penis size. I am glad it went this way > > because it gave me the opportunity to see if we could > > basically move forward. > > > > > > She is considered BBW which I do not mind. It's a woman's > > internal and external beauty that matters and she is very > > internally beautiful as well as externally, especially > > coming from a different country and setting up residence > > locally where I live. > > > > > > Given her body frame, she stated she has a preference of a > > larger penis, but could not give me specifics in what size > > range would be best for her. She said, upon me asking, her > > last boyfriends were on the bigger side, yet could not give > > me specifics. > > > > > > I then stated, I will send you pictures of my penis so you > > can compare and then importantly, decide before we move > > forward because I do not want to establish feelings for you > > and have you be unfulfilled when we do have sex. > > > > > > I figured this would be a smart and rational move on my > > part; let her see to compare so Ill know now. She stated, > > the only way she would know if she is fulfilled, would be to > > actually do the act. > > > > > > However, primary Hypogonadism took me having an above > > average penis away when I was younger. I had surgery at 10, > > to lower my testes that should have been done when I was a > > baby. Afterward, doctors did not check if I had low > > testosterone, therefore, I did not go through puberty > > normally or it just affected my secondly sexual > > characteristics of my testicles and penis size. > > > > > > I had to bust my butt with PE just to get to 6.6 from 5.8. > > My rational line of questioning which she said made her > > uncomfortable was to see if my current size would be within > > her expectation of not slipping out or God forbid †" not > > reaching. > > > > > > I know the added risk of courting someone who is BBW. The > > extra weight and how it would impact my size. When I was > > smaller, my lone situation I played it safe and I didn't try > > positions aside from her on top, which she said was fine. I > > wasn't good at the missionary position, because I did not > > try to establish myself properly, but she liked it and I was > > good at reverse cow gal. > > > > > > Back to her, her last two bf were on the larger side and > > she has a size expectation due to her weight. My position > > is: I rather her see it now, then for me to find out if we > > do have sex. Of course I would be inexperience but game > > without the fear of losing an erection especially with T., > > in my system. However what if we try the doggy style > > position and it doesn't reach inward that would make her > > fulfilled? > > > > > > Do not get me wrong, she is a wonderful person with a lot > > of potential with a unique accent as well. > > > > > > I am me. I have to live everyday with want primary > > Hypogonadism took away. If I was allowed going through > > puberty with HCG, etc I wouldn't have this major life crisis > > that is ongoing for me. All of my depression and thereafter > > has been a result of the unhealthy way I conditioned myself > > to see my penis and thus my life. > > > > > > I cannot say this to her, but of course I could not > > reassure her that my penis was big enough to reach, because > > I have no idea if it could and enough to fulfill her. She > > picked up on this naturally and I wasn't trying to be > > self-conscious; I was being honest. > > > > > > She was very saddened it appeared just now to the point of > > maybe crying due to this line of questioning. She regretted > > it, but I did not. I stated, it was best that I knew about > > your expectation and if I can meet it or not because you > > deserve a man that can. I have no positive expectation of > > moving forward with a woman. Why? Situations like this. > > > > > > This is my whole life: believing other men could meet these > > kinds of sexual expectations. > > > > > > I am not sure if other men here have experienced something > > similar to this, if you have please share. > > > > > > > > -Have a rewarding and peaceful weekend- > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_penis_size According to this article the median penis length is 5.1 to 5.9 inches. You've been above average all along. This begs the question.... How big is big enough? If you have 8 inches, would you yearn for 10? Randy > I had to bust my butt with PE just to get to 6.6 from 5.8. My rational line of questioning which she said made her uncomfortable was to see if my current size would be within her expectation of not slipping out or God forbid – not reaching. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 you are a good guy. Yes BBW means a big beautiful woman. I do not have a preference, I am just humble any woman is interested in me. statistically I try to undo what hypogandism took away. I have no reaction toward measuring myself. I have no reaction until I can be accepted to have a positive reaction in time. Yes you have a BBW woman. It seems you love her for her, and I hope she continues to lower her weight. Make sure you praise her for the great job she did losing what she did. Throw her a small party if you can afford it. Well, I would love to find a woman with a tight vagina without size requirements. I wish I could have did this with this woman. I have witnessed, the unhealthy obsession in PE comes from the men who have the " bigger is better " attitude. As if PE will make him along with the devices we are psychologically forced to buy, help men score with many women AKA the porn male approach to life. I never believed in the above. I do PE for me! So I can live a little better. So I can reclaim what hypogandism and doctors took away from me as a child. It's a religious practice to regularly do PE much like losing weight. I had to change my mind regarding how I viewed my penis. I had to like it enough to improve upon it. I hope you continue with PE while being in a loving dynamic with your wife as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2010 Report Share Posted November 13, 2010 > > As many of us have told you in many different ways, the problem is not with your penis, it's between your ears. Hi, let's just say I'm not overly large :-} > > Talk of penis size and particularly " PE " is just plain creepy. It flashes huge warning signs to women and men alike that something is very very wrong here, and it's not between your legs. most women really don't care how big you are " it's not the size of the wand but he magic of the wizard " my magic is good... my wife will come a couple of times BEFORE penetration and by that time she's literally begging for me to be inside her. > > You've got an obsession and you need to do something to deal with it. for real! > > A married couple might engage in sexual intercourse perhaps 90 minutes a week at most. speak for yourself... we manage 90 minutes (minimum) 3 times a week... and we're in our early 50s. a good magician will have his audience coming back for more. and a good g-spot O will probably have her wondering why nobody has ever given that to her before... and 99% of the time your penis has NOTHING to do with it. it's the magic of the magician. and I'll thank my first wife for teaching me that G-spot trick :-} Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 Sorry or the delay.     When a women has an expectation of me and I feel I can not meet it or reach it. I tell them that there expectation may or may not be appreciated but that I hear it and offer another option. This applies to every part of our communication.   Maybe is a dangerous word and I find that to many maybes lead to a path unknown.   I don't like gravel in my mouth so I try to answer slowly with understanding so as to cause no offense or wound but to communicate. Women bank on the memories and remembrance of words spoken far more than intent or intentions, and actual results.   This is a natural balance as it pushes men to be aware of there character and behavior.  Honesty is the best policy in spite of the very complex, errant and selfish world we live in.  The painful fact is the more honest people I associate with the easier it is to be me at my best and mimimize conflict. The foundation a man builds upon that is not true to himself will suffer damage. Hope this helps ________________________________ From: uu1845 <uu1845@...> Sent: Fri, November 12, 2010 6:02:35 PM Subject: Re: Penis size and what primary Hypogonadism took away conversation  Hello , sir I appreciate your message. In my specific situation, what can I do? If she has an expectation and I may not meet it, that's it. I never mentioned that this was in my mind. I offered to show her webcams, etc of my penis. If she did not say she had an expectation of size, I would have never made this thread or thought twice about this. I would be getting nervous about our first date, but thanking whatever higher power I believe in that I met someone wonderful. Instead, I have no reaction. This is typical for me and I do not complain. I will not harm myself or others. My passion is still to help people overcome. , what do you do bro when a woman says she has an expectation and you personally feel, you may not reach it? Some men say go on a date, knowing we will eventually have to have sex in order to move forward due to her expectation. Acceptance of self is great, but I would love to be accepted by a woman as well. I would love to be further accepted by others in general. God bless your message and that of others with similar positivity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 Just so you know. The average erect penis size is between 5.5 and 6 inches in length. Don't underestimate yourself. > > Hello all, I feel more comfortable sharing in this kind of place compared to a PE forum. > > > Met a nice woman online; we just had an over 7 hour phone conversation. Our last 30 min's revolved around her expectation regarding penis size. I am glad it went this way because it gave me the opportunity to see if we could basically move forward. > > > She is considered BBW which I do not mind. It's a woman's internal and external beauty that matters and she is very internally beautiful as well as externally, especially coming from a different country and setting up residence locally where I live. > > > Given her body frame, she stated she has a preference of a larger penis, but could not give me specifics in what size range would be best for her. She said, upon me asking, her last boyfriends were on the bigger side, yet could not give me specifics. > > > I then stated, I will send you pictures of my penis so you can compare and then importantly, decide before we move forward because I do not want to establish feelings for you and have you be unfulfilled when we do have sex. > > > I figured this would be a smart and rational move on my part; let her see to compare so Ill know now. She stated, the only way she would know if she is fulfilled, would be to actually do the act. > > > However, primary Hypogonadism took me having an above average penis away when I was younger. I had surgery at 10, to lower my testes that should have been done when I was a baby. Afterward, doctors did not check if I had low testosterone, therefore, I did not go through puberty normally or it just affected my secondly sexual characteristics of my testicles and penis size. > > > I had to bust my butt with PE just to get to 6.6 from 5.8. My rational line of questioning which she said made her uncomfortable was to see if my current size would be within her expectation of not slipping out or God forbid – not reaching. > > > I know the added risk of courting someone who is BBW. The extra weight and how it would impact my size. When I was smaller, my lone situation I played it safe and I didn't try positions aside from her on top, which she said was fine. I wasn't good at the missionary position, because I did not try to establish myself properly, but she liked it and I was good at reverse cow gal. > > > Back to her, her last two bf were on the larger side and she has a size expectation due to her weight. My position is: I rather her see it now, then for me to find out if we do have sex. Of course I would be inexperience but game without the fear of losing an erection especially with T., in my system. However what if we try the doggy style position and it doesn't reach inward that would make her fulfilled? > > > Do not get me wrong, she is a wonderful person with a lot of potential with a unique accent as well. > > > I am me. I have to live everyday with want primary Hypogonadism took away. If I was allowed going through puberty with HCG, etc I wouldn't have this major life crisis that is ongoing for me. All of my depression and thereafter has been a result of the unhealthy way I conditioned myself to see my penis and thus my life. > > > I cannot say this to her, but of course I could not reassure her that my penis was big enough to reach, because I have no idea if it could and enough to fulfill her. She picked up on this naturally and I wasn't trying to be self-conscious; I was being honest. > > > She was very saddened it appeared just now to the point of maybe crying due to this line of questioning. She regretted it, but I did not. I stated, it was best that I knew about your expectation and if I can meet it or not because you deserve a man that can. I have no positive expectation of moving forward with a woman. Why? Situations like this. > > > This is my whole life: believing other men could meet these kinds of sexual expectations. > > > I am not sure if other men here have experienced something similar to this, if you have please share. > > > > -Have a rewarding and peaceful weekend- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 Hugh, check out www.thundersplace.org. No-one is selling anything on the site, it's just a place where you can learn how to do the exercises, read reviews of equipment, get a program started, report your progress, and even talk about non-PE related things if you go to the right forum. There are over 10,000 members (no pun intended), although you can only join at certain times. Before joining you can still read everything. I've been a member for about a year, after someone else on this newsgroup mentioned the site, and PM'd me that he'd grown about two inches. I'm hoping to join the " one inch " club by Christmas - we'll see how that works out. I haven't measured in awhile, but I had gained about .75 " last time I measured. Look me up if you're interested - I'm jimbeaux. > > > > Hello all, I feel more comfortable sharing in this kind of place compared to a PE forum. > > > > > > Met a nice woman online; we just had an over 7 hour phone conversation. Our last 30 min's revolved around her expectation regarding penis size. I am glad it went this way because it gave me the opportunity to see if we could basically move forward. > > > > > > She is considered BBW which I do not mind. It's a woman's internal and external beauty that matters and she is very internally beautiful as well as externally, especially coming from a different country and setting up residence locally where I live. > > > > > > Given her body frame, she stated she has a preference of a larger penis, but could not give me specifics in what size range would be best for her. She said, upon me asking, her last boyfriends were on the bigger side, yet could not give me specifics. > > > > > > I then stated, I will send you pictures of my penis so you can compare and then importantly, decide before we move forward because I do not want to establish feelings for you and have you be unfulfilled when we do have sex. > > > > > > I figured this would be a smart and rational move on my part; let her see to compare so Ill know now. She stated, the only way she would know if she is fulfilled, would be to actually do the act. > > > > > > However, primary Hypogonadism took me having an above average penis away when I was younger. I had surgery at 10, to lower my testes that should have been done when I was a baby. Afterward, doctors did not check if I had low testosterone, therefore, I did not go through puberty normally or it just affected my secondly sexual characteristics of my testicles and penis size. > > > > > > I had to bust my butt with PE just to get to 6.6 from 5.8. My rational line of questioning which she said made her uncomfortable was to see if my current size would be within her expectation of not slipping out or God forbid †" not reaching. > > > > > > I know the added risk of courting someone who is BBW. The extra weight and how it would impact my size. When I was smaller, my lone situation I played it safe and I didn't try positions aside from her on top, which she said was fine. I wasn't good at the missionary position, because I did not try to establish myself properly, but she liked it and I was good at reverse cow gal. > > > > > > Back to her, her last two bf were on the larger side and she has a size expectation due to her weight. My position is: I rather her see it now, then for me to find out if we do have sex. Of course I would be inexperience but game without the fear of losing an erection especially with T., in my system. However what if we try the doggy style position and it doesn't reach inward that would make her fulfilled? > > > > > > Do not get me wrong, she is a wonderful person with a lot of potential with a unique accent as well. > > > > > > I am me. I have to live everyday with want primary Hypogonadism took away. If I was allowed going through puberty with HCG, etc I wouldn't have this major life crisis that is ongoing for me. All of my depression and thereafter has been a result of the unhealthy way I conditioned myself to see my penis and thus my life. > > > > > > I cannot say this to her, but of course I could not reassure her that my penis was big enough to reach, because I have no idea if it could and enough to fulfill her. She picked up on this naturally and I wasn't trying to be self-conscious; I was being honest. > > > > > > She was very saddened it appeared just now to the point of maybe crying due to this line of questioning. She regretted it, but I did not. I stated, it was best that I knew about your expectation and if I can meet it or not because you deserve a man that can. I have no positive expectation of moving forward with a woman. Why? Situations like this. > > > > > > This is my whole life: believing other men could meet these kinds of sexual expectations. > > > > > > I am not sure if other men here have experienced something similar to this, if you have please share. > > > > > > > > -Have a rewarding and peaceful weekend- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 My understanding is that some guys pump their testicles to get them larger. I do not own a pump, but I'm wondering why you say they don't work for guys with smaller testicles? I also encourage you to check out thundersplace.org. I know the bathmate has been discussed, and there's a separate forum just for pumpers. > > Thank you to everyone who commented on here. If I miss someone specifically my apologies. I feel more comfortable sharing on this site than any other site, excluding a medical forum which is different. At least you guys and gals show compassion and take the time to respond without making someone feel worst. A lot of PE forums, the immature responses makes someone feel worst. But I am a fighter and Ill be alright in life. My goal is to help people overcome through counseling. > > Hello Hugh, I have experience with pumps but due to my small testicles, I had to give it up. I could only go so far without the fear of damaging my testicles. In my youth, I pumped without the education and had my testicles be sucked upward, I literally had to push them downward. > > I brought the Bathmate based on what PE users on a site said about it. Suction devices in general do not work well on small testicle men. I tried to explain this but I received bs as if I didn't use this device, I wouldn't be cool or accepted onto the forum. > > Hey Hugh, there are tons of sites that have free PE exercises. I truly do not respect the owner of this site, but he has the best exercises to day. Just google- MOS. They have a forum but it's " the bigger the better " and do PE " 24/7 " to be like the owner, etc. > > I sincerely hope bro, that you have a healthy and rewarding romantic relationship with whomever you choose. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 Thankyou for a very nice reply. I have one suggestion for you - have you considered the idea that while it's possible for you to get larger, it's also possible for a woman to get tighter? In the book for women called " The Orgasmic Diet: A Revolutionary Plan to Lift Your Libido and Bring You to Orgasm " by Marrena Lindberg, she recommends a device called the gyneflex, which is a way for women to exercise the muscles in their vagina. I think that even if you found a woman who wasn't tight, with exercises she could get tighter. Of course, you would first have to find the right woman, and then see if she was open to the idea. It's not something you can ask right off the bat, in my opinion. The gyneflex is sold on Amazon. My wife has one, although I don't think she uses it much. I'm working on that. > > > you are a good guy. Yes BBW means a big beautiful woman. I do not have a preference, I am just humble any woman is interested in me. > > statistically I try to undo what hypogandism took away. I have no reaction toward measuring myself. I have no reaction until I can be accepted to have a positive reaction in time. > > Yes you have a BBW woman. It seems you love her for her, and I hope she continues to lower her weight. Make sure you praise her for the great job she did losing what she did. Throw her a small party if you can afford it. > > Well, I would love to find a woman with a tight vagina without size requirements. I wish I could have did this with this woman. > > I have witnessed, the unhealthy obsession in PE comes from the men who have the " bigger is better " attitude. As if PE will make him along with the devices we are psychologically forced to buy, help men score with many women AKA the porn male approach to life. > > I never believed in the above. I do PE for me! So I can live a little better. So I can reclaim what hypogandism and doctors took away from me as a child. > > It's a religious practice to regularly do PE much like losing weight. I had to change my mind regarding how I viewed my penis. I had to like it enough to improve upon it. > > I hope you continue with PE while being in a loving dynamic with your wife as well. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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