Re: Another Testicle Size/Function Question

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Marc,

Clomid is not a good way to keep your T levels up or keep your testis working it

was not tested long term for this yet I know only a small amount of men that do

this. As for HCG you can go on this if your showen to be Secondary starting

with 100 IU's a day this will make your Testis make your T. But most men don't

feel as good on this as they do doing both Testosterone meds and HCG. It's a

good Idea to talk with your Dr. about this when he figures out why your low.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Another Testicle Size/Function Question

>

> Date: Sunday, October 24, 2010, 11:29 AM

> Since I expect to be starting some

> form of TRT in a few weeks, I must now face this question

> personally.

> I know this new doc is going to address my E2 since he

> already mentioned Arimidex, but I totally forgot to mention

> about HCG.

>

> I don't think he is going to use Arimidex only to see where

> my T levels go, and I am hesitant to constantly play my own

> doctor since I feel this last one is good.

>

> It seems for certain that I am not primary due to my LH

> readings as well as the fact my own T levels have gone up by

> over 100 points without doing anything. Because of this I

> hate to shut down my testes permanently.

>

> My question is about Clomid actually. Seems that Clomid

> replaces the LH signal to 'force' the testes to make T, or

> that is how I read it anyway.

> Can Clomid be used much like HCG to maintain testicular

> size/function?

>

> Also can HCG or Clomid be compounded into a cream along

> with the testosterone?

> These may be incredibly stupid questions, but I am still

> out of the loop on HCG. From what I have read here, it

> sounds like it is 'injection' only,.....is that correct?

>

> Thanks once again.

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Phil.

His opinion so far actually agrees with much you said when I first appeared here

asking questions.

He told me that my E2 was taking up my T receptor sites and making my pituitary

think my T level is fine. Remember I had an LH of 3.7 with a Total T of 209

around the time I came here. He said if I was primary, my LH should have been

pumping like crazy trying to make the testes dump more T.

He also said that my T would almost surely go up when the E2 gets under control,

but he suspects it won't go up high enough to get me in the range he likes. I

was 323 on 8/30 BTW, so my E2 may have been even higher when it was 209, and

that is what caused the increase in T.

My own thoughts, for what they are worth, is that my high E2 over a period of

time have made my testes go almost 'dormant' per se. I am wondering if lowering

my E2 with Arimidex, and trying to 'jump-start' my testes with HCG is a good

option to try before starting any testosterone?

Theoretically once I get that E2 out of my receptor sites should my LH signal

not go up also, causing even more of an increase in natural T?

Just my brain thinking out loud again! )

>

> Marc,

>

> Clomid is not a good way to keep your T levels up or keep your testis working

it was not tested long term for this yet I know only a small amount of men that

do this. As for HCG you can go on this if your showen to be Secondary starting

with 100 IU's a day this will make your Testis make your T. But most men don't

feel as good on this as they do doing both Testosterone meds and HCG. It's a

good Idea to talk with your Dr. about this when he figures out why your low.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

[Guest guest]

Your point on but one step at a time. Getting your E2 levels down your brain

will see your low T levels and start to send a lot of LH and FSH to your testis

men even feel them going back to work a low feeling of them working again. You

need to give this time to see if your testis can bring your levels beck up some

men can see 200 to 300 points so if you were say 300 you can jump back up to 600

and not being on TRT this is a dam good number even 550 some men feel dam good

not on TRT.

If you jump right on HCG your brain will see the LH marker in the HCG and stop

sending LH and FSH to your Testis and you will not be able to tell if your brain

is doing it's job by telling your testis to go to work.

So if you get your E2 down and your LH and FSH levels don't go up much you have

a Pituitary problem. Adding in HCG before figuring this out you will not know

if your Pituitary is working right.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: Another Testicle Size/Function Question

>

> Date: Sunday, October 24, 2010, 12:40 PM

>

>

>

>

>

> Thanks Phil.

> His opinion so far actually agrees with much you said when

> I first appeared here asking questions.

>

> He told me that my E2 was taking up my T receptor sites and

> making my pituitary think my T level is fine. Remember I had

> an LH of 3.7 with a Total T of 209 around the time I came

> here. He said if I was primary, my LH should have been

> pumping like crazy trying to make the testes dump more T.

>

> He also said that my T would almost surely go up when the

> E2 gets under control, but he suspects it won't go up high

> enough to get me in the range he likes. I was 323 on 8/30

> BTW, so my E2 may have been even higher when it was 209, and

> that is what caused the increase in T.

>

> My own thoughts, for what they are worth, is that my high

> E2 over a period of time have made my testes go almost

> 'dormant' per se. I am wondering if lowering my E2 with

> Arimidex, and trying to 'jump-start' my testes with HCG is a

> good option to try before starting any testosterone?

> Theoretically once I get that E2 out of my receptor sites

> should my LH signal not go up also, causing even more of an

> increase in natural T?

>

> Just my brain thinking out loud again! )

>

>

> >

> > Marc,

> >

> > Clomid is not a good way to keep your T levels up or

> keep your testis working it was not tested long term for

> this yet I know only a small amount of men that do

> this.  As for HCG you can go on this if your showen to

> be Secondary starting with 100 IU's a day this will make

> your Testis make your T.  But most men don't feel as

> good on this as they do doing both Testosterone meds and

> HCG.  It's a good Idea to talk with your Dr. about this

> when he figures out why your low.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Gee I was sure I posted a reply to this thread. I would just do what he is

taking about get your E2 levels down don't go on TRT until your retested when

your E2 levels are down. Some men can go up on T labs getting E2 down some 300

points. If you retest and your TT is still low with a low LH and FSH it can

mean your Pituitary is not working right and you would need an MRI on it to rule

out a tumor.

Clomid is not used to treat low T I only know of 2 men that use this the rest

that tried it had bad sides.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: Another Testicle Size/Function Question

>

> Date: Sunday, October 24, 2010, 1:17 PM

> Well, I will try again since my post

> didn't seem to make it through!

>

> He seems to think a lot of the things you told me when I

> first came here with a Total T of 209 and an LH of 3.7 which

> was lower third of scale I believe.

>

> Said my high E2 was blocking the receptor sites, and making

> my pituitary think my T was fine.

> He said my increase to 323 on 8/30 was likely due to a drop

> in E2 levels that he suspects were even higher a year ago.

> We will never know though as I couldn't get anyone to test

> for estradiol back then.

>

> Doc says my T will almost surely come up as my E2 is

> lowered, but doesn't think it will go high enough without

> TRT though.

> Also said I was clearly not primary as my LH should have

> been screaming high in an attempt to get my non-functioning

> testes to make more T when I was 209.

>

> Since Clomid doesn't sound like an option,.....I am

> thinking that maybe what is in order is reducing my E2 with

> Arimidex, and attempting to 'jump-start' my testes with HCG

> before starting on testosterone.

> I believe my testes have become 'semi-dormant' due to the

> lack of LH signal and high E2,......getting my LH back up

> should make even more natural T in my thinking anyway.

>

> Am I over thinking this myself, or does what I am saying

> make any sense?

> I don't want to tick this doc off, as it has taken me a

> long time to find what appears to be a good one that is

> local, but I really don't want to start the life long

> supplementing of testosterone unless it is a necessity.

>

>

> >

> > Marc,

> >

> > Clomid is not a good way to keep your T levels up or

> keep your testis working it was not tested long term for

> this yet I know only a small amount of men that do

> this.  As for HCG you can go on this if your showen to

> be Secondary starting with 100 IU's a day this will make

> your Testis make your T.  But most men don't feel as

> good on this as they do doing both Testosterone meds and

> HCG.  It's a good Idea to talk with your Dr. about this

> when he figures out why your low.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Phil,....you are not losing your mind.

My first reply I posted to you did not show up for over 30 minutes so I typed

another.

When I posted that one, I saw my first one had shown up, and deleted the second

one. Since you are a mod,....you must see the deleted posts somehow.

This happens to me frequently here.

>

> Gee I was sure I posted a reply to this thread. I would just do what he is

taking about get your E2 levels down don't go on TRT until your retested when

your E2 levels are down. Some men can go up on T labs getting E2 down some 300

points. If you retest and your TT is still low with a low LH and FSH it can

mean your Pituitary is not working right and you would need an MRI on it to rule

out a tumor.

>

> Clomid is not used to treat low T I only know of 2 men that use this the rest

that tried it had bad sides.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

[Guest guest]

It's not a problem as long as you got it.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: Another Testicle Size/Function Question

>

> Date: Sunday, October 24, 2010, 1:39 PM

> Phil,....you are not losing your

> mind.

> My first reply I posted to you did not show up for over 30

> minutes so I typed another.

>

> When I posted that one, I saw my first one had shown up,

> and deleted the second one. Since you are a mod,....you must

> see the deleted posts somehow.

>

> This happens to me frequently here.

>

>

> >

> > Gee I was sure I posted a reply to this thread. I

> would just do what he is taking about get your E2 levels

> down don't go on TRT until your retested when your E2 levels

> are down.  Some men can go up on T labs getting E2 down

> some 300 points.  If you retest and your TT is still

> low with a low LH and FSH it can mean your Pituitary is not

> working right and you would need an MRI on it to rule out a

> tumor.

> >

> > Clomid is not used to treat low T I only know of 2 men

> that use this the rest that tried it had bad sides.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

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